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December 17, 2017, 07:32:47 AM
I do not believe in the theory of evolution , Because the theory is not clear

The theory of evolution is really clear man, which is the part that you doubt about ?
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December 17, 2017, 06:00:11 AM
Both of you need to edit your quote trees to just what you are actually quoting.  Smiley

He will stop replying soon anyways, he knows he lost. Cool
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December 17, 2017, 01:27:58 AM
Both of you need to edit your quote trees to just what you are actually quoting.  Smiley
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I do not think that. Evolution is the selection of nature. To best adapt to the present living environment. Man is the pinnacle of evolution.
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Its not a hoax! Evolution is just a fancy word for some fine ass, flawless and rule bound programming written by someone. For real, the way everything in this world works, including the biology of all organisms, it just seems so.... programmed. Coded. A little too perfectly.


However, science regarding cause and effect is not incorrect. Everything is programmed. Perhaps we will find it is not someday. But so far science has found nothing that is not C&E derived and affected. Point it out if you know of it.

This means that even evolution theory has been programmed to have happened. The scientists and others who have made and upheld evolution theory have been programmed to do so by C&E. This in itself shows that the so-called random mutations spoken about in evolution theory, are not random at all. Scientists were simply programmed by C&E, as was their theory of evolution.

Why would "some great programmer of nature" program scientists to think up a theory that says that there was pure random not affected by C&E, especially in the face of this programming, itself, proving evolution theory to be false? Why? To show the evolution scientists (and all of us) that even the things that they (we) are saying are programmed, so that they (we) can see that anything that seems to apply to evolution is programmed, as well, and not random mutations at all.

Cool

You can't prove everything is programmed, you can't even prove that everything has a cause (radioactive decay doesn't)

Quite the contrary. Everybody can prove it to themselves. All they have to do is realize that complexity that cause and effect provide.

Cool

That's not proof of anything. All they have to realize is that we don't know if everything has a cause or not and we certainly don't know if the cause was programmed or not

Oh dear. Countless billions of things proven to have a cause or causal group, and no effect ever proven to have existence NOT because of a cause or causal group... and we don't know?

Another thing we don't know is if that star some 13 billion lightyears from here has more than one planet circling it, or if that star even exists. But just because we don't know about that star, doesn't mean that stars don't exist by the billions.

The thing that you are trying to say is that we need to have all knowledge to have proof for something. Even scientists won't agree with you on that point.

Cool

I think you skipped this post mr hypocrite.

Yes you do have to prove that everything has a cause otherwise the statement ''everything has a cause'' is not known to be factual.  We do not know that everything has a cause. Just because most things have a cause doesn't mean everything had or has a cause. You didn't agree with all the dating methods although all the evidence is there because as you said, maybe in the past somehow physics didn't work like today, didn't you say that? How is that not applicable to cause and effect? You are a hypocrite.

According to several standard interpretations of quantum mechanics, microscopic phenomena are objectively random.[6] That is, in an experiment that controls all causally relevant parameters, some aspects of the outcome still vary randomly. For example, if a single unstable atom is placed in a controlled environment, it cannot be predicted how long it will take for the atom to decay—only the probability of decay in a given time.[7] Thus, quantum mechanics does not specify the outcome of individual experiments but only the probabilities.

Quit being a hypocrite. We don't know whether everything had a cause or not, that's a fact.


You know that nothing that has been proven in science has an absolute proof for it. There is always a potential that something was missed. For example.

Newtons Laws have been proven. But there are possible extremes of nature where the proofs might be wrong.

But that is not what we are talking about when we say "proof." Rather, we are talking about evidence that is so great that there really won't be evidence against it.

Regarding cause and effect, that's the kind of evidence we find. Regarding evolution, we really haven't found anything in evolution that can be applied in such a way that it can't be readily contradicted with science.

Evolution is barely possible, but C&E  - which totally discredits evolution - is barely NOT possible.

Evolution is complete hoax being professed as it is.

There are billions of C&E happenings that, obviously and scientifically, are C&E. Yet there are so few so-called evolution happenings that are obviously and scientifically evolution, that evolution does not exist. All but the tiniest fraction of a percent of evolution can be proven to exist. And the part of evolution that can be proven, can fit other things as well.

No evolution. Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

EDIT: If you are talking about scientific proof that is 100% - 1000% - proof, C&E is so close to it that C&E is essentially proof. Evolution is so far away from proof, that evolution is impossible.


Did you not read? This is direct evidence against C&E ''some aspects of the outcome still vary randomly. For example, if a single unstable atom is placed in a controlled environment, it cannot be predicted how long it will take for the atom to decay''
I have read. And all it said is that people are not smart enough to detect the cause behind the effect. This means that people will have to do the best they can until they can do more. The best they can do is recognize that there are countless billions of C&E examples that they know of, and nothing that they have found that comes about some other way.



It's right there, did you not read that? Are you a physicist?
You don't have to be a physicist to see the examples of cause and effect.



“As we currently understand it, quantum randomness is true and absolute randomness,” said theoretical physicist York Dobyns in an email to the Epoch Times. “Nothing in the universe can predict quantum outcomes except at a statistical level.”
Since he can't predict quantum outcomes, how does he know that there isn't a way to do it? All he is saying is that he doesn't know of a way.

Didn't you see the part that says "As we currently understand it...?" The history of "we currently understand" is that tomorrow or next year we may understand more. After all, this is the way science has always been. Why would we suddenly have perfect understanding so that our knowledge of science wouldn't change, and we would know everything?

So, he is telling you/us that there is a limit to our understanding. All science theory says this in one way or another. No science theory is factual that we know of.



No theory that can predict random quantum events has been proposed. Maybe badecker here would like to do so and get a nobel prize. Im waiting for it.

No one knows whether the universe is deterministic or not, claiming that it is, is lying.

Quantum anything has to do with probability. And all probability has to do with is our inability to determine. It has nothing to do with what our ability will be tomorrow or next year. Why? Because if we knew, we wouldn't need quantum/probability.

Since we acknowledge that we don't know everything, we also acknowledge that the things that we don't know, we just don't know.

But, there are billions of things wherein we can prove cause and effect, and nothing other than cause and effect has been proven... except our inability. Maybe tomorrow or next year...

Thanks for providing points that make it easier to show the fallacy of your points.

Cool
''Since he can't predict quantum outcomes, how does he know that there isn't a way to do it?''
How do you know there is a way to do it? Can you prove it? ''You don't have to be a physicist to see the examples of cause and effect.'' But you do have to be a physicist to understand quantum mechanics.
''And all it said is that people are not smart enough to detect the cause behind the effect.'' Maybe or maybe it just doesn't have a cause, you can't prove it either way so again your statement that everything has a cause is not known to be factual.


It doesn't matter if there are quadrillion of C&E operations because what matters is if everything has a cause and you can't prove that everything has a cause, no one can. You are claiming that everything has a cause very easily and then you also claim that everything is programmed, that's simply not known. There are many scientific hypothesis about the universe, god is not one of them. One idea that's being tossed around is that the beginning of the universe was the beginning, not only of matter and energy, but of space-time itself...and that it therefore makes no sense to talk about what happened "before" time itself began. No programming there, no god, no sentient being that programmed everything, just the universe.

Everything having a cause also presents huge problems because we can just go back infinitely, so what's the point?
A : asserts that something (the universe) could have come about without a cause.
B : asserts that something (the universe) must have had a cause, but the thing that did the causing (The Prime Mover) was itself uncaused.
Both positions assert there is something that was uncaused which started everything. Only through parsimony (which is not logical argument, but a general heuristic) can we say that A's position is more rational to hold, because it requires a lot more evidence to prove a Prime Mover that in turn caused the universe as opposed to stating the universe simply caused itself. Both, however, are rather unsatisfying because neither really provide any evidence either way; they are merely assertions.

Now that we understand that we can say we have dismissed every single one of badecker's arguments therefore evolution is not a hoax. Thanks for watching ladies and gentlemen.
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December 16, 2017, 07:59:01 PM
Its not a hoax! Evolution is just a fancy word for some fine ass, flawless and rule bound programming written by someone. For real, the way everything in this world works, including the biology of all organisms, it just seems so.... programmed. Coded. A little too perfectly.


However, science regarding cause and effect is not incorrect. Everything is programmed. Perhaps we will find it is not someday. But so far science has found nothing that is not C&E derived and affected. Point it out if you know of it.

This means that even evolution theory has been programmed to have happened. The scientists and others who have made and upheld evolution theory have been programmed to do so by C&E. This in itself shows that the so-called random mutations spoken about in evolution theory, are not random at all. Scientists were simply programmed by C&E, as was their theory of evolution.

Why would "some great programmer of nature" program scientists to think up a theory that says that there was pure random not affected by C&E, especially in the face of this programming, itself, proving evolution theory to be false? Why? To show the evolution scientists (and all of us) that even the things that they (we) are saying are programmed, so that they (we) can see that anything that seems to apply to evolution is programmed, as well, and not random mutations at all.

Cool

You can't prove everything is programmed, you can't even prove that everything has a cause (radioactive decay doesn't)

Quite the contrary. Everybody can prove it to themselves. All they have to do is realize that complexity that cause and effect provide.

Cool

That's not proof of anything. All they have to realize is that we don't know if everything has a cause or not and we certainly don't know if the cause was programmed or not

Oh dear. Countless billions of things proven to have a cause or causal group, and no effect ever proven to have existence NOT because of a cause or causal group... and we don't know?

Another thing we don't know is if that star some 13 billion lightyears from here has more than one planet circling it, or if that star even exists. But just because we don't know about that star, doesn't mean that stars don't exist by the billions.

The thing that you are trying to say is that we need to have all knowledge to have proof for something. Even scientists won't agree with you on that point.

Cool

I think you skipped this post mr hypocrite.

Yes you do have to prove that everything has a cause otherwise the statement ''everything has a cause'' is not known to be factual.  We do not know that everything has a cause. Just because most things have a cause doesn't mean everything had or has a cause. You didn't agree with all the dating methods although all the evidence is there because as you said, maybe in the past somehow physics didn't work like today, didn't you say that? How is that not applicable to cause and effect? You are a hypocrite.

According to several standard interpretations of quantum mechanics, microscopic phenomena are objectively random.[6] That is, in an experiment that controls all causally relevant parameters, some aspects of the outcome still vary randomly. For example, if a single unstable atom is placed in a controlled environment, it cannot be predicted how long it will take for the atom to decay—only the probability of decay in a given time.[7] Thus, quantum mechanics does not specify the outcome of individual experiments but only the probabilities.

Quit being a hypocrite. We don't know whether everything had a cause or not, that's a fact.


You know that nothing that has been proven in science has an absolute proof for it. There is always a potential that something was missed. For example.

Newtons Laws have been proven. But there are possible extremes of nature where the proofs might be wrong.

But that is not what we are talking about when we say "proof." Rather, we are talking about evidence that is so great that there really won't be evidence against it.

Regarding cause and effect, that's the kind of evidence we find. Regarding evolution, we really haven't found anything in evolution that can be applied in such a way that it can't be readily contradicted with science.

Evolution is barely possible, but C&E  - which totally discredits evolution - is barely NOT possible.

Evolution is complete hoax being professed as it is.

There are billions of C&E happenings that, obviously and scientifically, are C&E. Yet there are so few so-called evolution happenings that are obviously and scientifically evolution, that evolution does not exist. All but the tiniest fraction of a percent of evolution can be proven to exist. And the part of evolution that can be proven, can fit other things as well.

No evolution. Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

EDIT: If you are talking about scientific proof that is 100% - 1000% - proof, C&E is so close to it that C&E is essentially proof. Evolution is so far away from proof, that evolution is impossible.


Did you not read? This is direct evidence against C&E ''some aspects of the outcome still vary randomly. For example, if a single unstable atom is placed in a controlled environment, it cannot be predicted how long it will take for the atom to decay''
I have read. And all it said is that people are not smart enough to detect the cause behind the effect. This means that people will have to do the best they can until they can do more. The best they can do is recognize that there are countless billions of C&E examples that they know of, and nothing that they have found that comes about some other way.



It's right there, did you not read that? Are you a physicist?
You don't have to be a physicist to see the examples of cause and effect.



“As we currently understand it, quantum randomness is true and absolute randomness,” said theoretical physicist York Dobyns in an email to the Epoch Times. “Nothing in the universe can predict quantum outcomes except at a statistical level.”
Since he can't predict quantum outcomes, how does he know that there isn't a way to do it? All he is saying is that he doesn't know of a way.

Didn't you see the part that says "As we currently understand it...?" The history of "we currently understand" is that tomorrow or next year we may understand more. After all, this is the way science has always been. Why would we suddenly have perfect understanding so that our knowledge of science wouldn't change, and we would know everything?

So, he is telling you/us that there is a limit to our understanding. All science theory says this in one way or another. No science theory is factual that we know of.



No theory that can predict random quantum events has been proposed. Maybe badecker here would like to do so and get a nobel prize. Im waiting for it.

No one knows whether the universe is deterministic or not, claiming that it is, is lying.

Quantum anything has to do with probability. And all probability has to do with is our inability to determine. It has nothing to do with what our ability will be tomorrow or next year. Why? Because if we knew, we wouldn't need quantum/probability.

Since we acknowledge that we don't know everything, we also acknowledge that the things that we don't know, we just don't know.

But, there are billions of things wherein we can prove cause and effect, and nothing other than cause and effect has been proven... except our inability. Maybe tomorrow or next year...

Thanks for providing points that make it easier to show the fallacy of your points.

Cool
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December 16, 2017, 05:58:58 PM
Its not a hoax! Evolution is just a fancy word for some fine ass, flawless and rule bound programming written by someone. For real, the way everything in this world works, including the biology of all organisms, it just seems so.... programmed. Coded. A little too perfectly.


However, science regarding cause and effect is not incorrect. Everything is programmed. Perhaps we will find it is not someday. But so far science has found nothing that is not C&E derived and affected. Point it out if you know of it.

This means that even evolution theory has been programmed to have happened. The scientists and others who have made and upheld evolution theory have been programmed to do so by C&E. This in itself shows that the so-called random mutations spoken about in evolution theory, are not random at all. Scientists were simply programmed by C&E, as was their theory of evolution.

Why would "some great programmer of nature" program scientists to think up a theory that says that there was pure random not affected by C&E, especially in the face of this programming, itself, proving evolution theory to be false? Why? To show the evolution scientists (and all of us) that even the things that they (we) are saying are programmed, so that they (we) can see that anything that seems to apply to evolution is programmed, as well, and not random mutations at all.

Cool

You can't prove everything is programmed, you can't even prove that everything has a cause (radioactive decay doesn't)

Quite the contrary. Everybody can prove it to themselves. All they have to do is realize that complexity that cause and effect provide.

Cool

That's not proof of anything. All they have to realize is that we don't know if everything has a cause or not and we certainly don't know if the cause was programmed or not

Oh dear. Countless billions of things proven to have a cause or causal group, and no effect ever proven to have existence NOT because of a cause or causal group... and we don't know?

Another thing we don't know is if that star some 13 billion lightyears from here has more than one planet circling it, or if that star even exists. But just because we don't know about that star, doesn't mean that stars don't exist by the billions.

The thing that you are trying to say is that we need to have all knowledge to have proof for something. Even scientists won't agree with you on that point.

Cool

I think you skipped this post mr hypocrite.

Yes you do have to prove that everything has a cause otherwise the statement ''everything has a cause'' is not known to be factual.  We do not know that everything has a cause. Just because most things have a cause doesn't mean everything had or has a cause. You didn't agree with all the dating methods although all the evidence is there because as you said, maybe in the past somehow physics didn't work like today, didn't you say that? How is that not applicable to cause and effect? You are a hypocrite.

According to several standard interpretations of quantum mechanics, microscopic phenomena are objectively random.[6] That is, in an experiment that controls all causally relevant parameters, some aspects of the outcome still vary randomly. For example, if a single unstable atom is placed in a controlled environment, it cannot be predicted how long it will take for the atom to decay—only the probability of decay in a given time.[7] Thus, quantum mechanics does not specify the outcome of individual experiments but only the probabilities.

Quit being a hypocrite. We don't know whether everything had a cause or not, that's a fact.


You know that nothing that has been proven in science has an absolute proof for it. There is always a potential that something was missed. For example.

Newtons Laws have been proven. But there are possible extremes of nature where the proofs might be wrong.

But that is not what we are talking about when we say "proof." Rather, we are talking about evidence that is so great that there really won't be evidence against it.

Regarding cause and effect, that's the kind of evidence we find. Regarding evolution, we really haven't found anything in evolution that can be applied in such a way that it can't be readily contradicted with science.

Evolution is barely possible, but C&E  - which totally discredits evolution - is barely NOT possible.

Evolution is complete hoax being professed as it is.

There are billions of C&E happenings that, obviously and scientifically, are C&E. Yet there are so few so-called evolution happenings that are obviously and scientifically evolution, that evolution does not exist. All but the tiniest fraction of a percent of evolution can be proven to exist. And the part of evolution that can be proven, can fit other things as well.

No evolution. Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

EDIT: If you are talking about scientific proof that is 100% - 1000% - proof, C&E is so close to it that C&E is essentially proof. Evolution is so far away from proof, that evolution is impossible.


Did you not read? This is direct evidence against C&E ''some aspects of the outcome still vary randomly. For example, if a single unstable atom is placed in a controlled environment, it cannot be predicted how long it will take for the atom to decay''

It's right there, did you not read that? Are you a physicist?

“As we currently understand it, quantum randomness is true and absolute randomness,” said theoretical physicist York Dobyns in an email to the Epoch Times. “Nothing in the universe can predict quantum outcomes except at a statistical level.”

No theory that can predict random quantum events has been proposed. Maybe badecker here would like to do so and get a nobel prize. Im waiting for it.

No one knows whether the universe is deterministic or not, claiming that it is, is lying.
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December 16, 2017, 05:34:15 PM
monkeys are completely adapted to survive, humans exposed themselves to bigger dangers and had to learn to overcome these, you can think on brain size as the result of a risk/reward scenario
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December 16, 2017, 05:34:06 PM
The fundamental material parts of everything that we know, are particles that are half energy - protons, nutrons, electrons:
Q:

If everything is made of atom, then atom has three parts proton,neutron and electron so therefore an atom is made of proton neutron and electron? what are the parts of proton,neutron and electron?
- dominique enriquez (age 15)
Iba,Zambales,Phillipines


A:

Hello Dominique,

According to the latest theories, protons and neutrons are made of quarks and gluons..  Quarks are spin 1/2 particles. Gluons are spin zero carriers of the so-called 'Strong Force', the force that binds neutrons and protons inside the nucleus.  See for more details.

The electron, on the other hand, is an entity itself.  It is a member of a family of fundamental particles called leptons.  The electron does have an electric charge and is attracted to positive objects such as a proton to form a hydrogen atom.  See for more details.

LeeH

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December 16, 2017, 05:28:34 PM
The guy keeps arguing over and over that the world is made of sand.  No matter what you say, he will insist he is right, for that is all he knows.   Undecided
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December 16, 2017, 05:07:59 PM
Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE

a possible evolution doesnt dissprove that the universe has not some kind of an intelligent AI like Sourcecode or Consoll Command option....
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Its not a hoax! Evolution is just a fancy word for some fine ass, flawless and rule bound programming written by someone. For real, the way everything in this world works, including the biology of all organisms, it just seems so.... programmed. Coded. A little too perfectly.


However, science regarding cause and effect is not incorrect. Everything is programmed. Perhaps we will find it is not someday. But so far science has found nothing that is not C&E derived and affected. Point it out if you know of it.

This means that even evolution theory has been programmed to have happened. The scientists and others who have made and upheld evolution theory have been programmed to do so by C&E. This in itself shows that the so-called random mutations spoken about in evolution theory, are not random at all. Scientists were simply programmed by C&E, as was their theory of evolution.

Why would "some great programmer of nature" program scientists to think up a theory that says that there was pure random not affected by C&E, especially in the face of this programming, itself, proving evolution theory to be false? Why? To show the evolution scientists (and all of us) that even the things that they (we) are saying are programmed, so that they (we) can see that anything that seems to apply to evolution is programmed, as well, and not random mutations at all.

Cool

You can't prove everything is programmed, you can't even prove that everything has a cause (radioactive decay doesn't)

Quite the contrary. Everybody can prove it to themselves. All they have to do is realize that complexity that cause and effect provide.

Cool

That's not proof of anything. All they have to realize is that we don't know if everything has a cause or not and we certainly don't know if the cause was programmed or not

Oh dear. Countless billions of things proven to have a cause or causal group, and no effect ever proven to have existence NOT because of a cause or causal group... and we don't know?

Another thing we don't know is if that star some 13 billion lightyears from here has more than one planet circling it, or if that star even exists. But just because we don't know about that star, doesn't mean that stars don't exist by the billions.

The thing that you are trying to say is that we need to have all knowledge to have proof for something. Even scientists won't agree with you on that point.

Cool

I think you skipped this post mr hypocrite.

Yes you do have to prove that everything has a cause otherwise the statement ''everything has a cause'' is not known to be factual.  We do not know that everything has a cause. Just because most things have a cause doesn't mean everything had or has a cause. You didn't agree with all the dating methods although all the evidence is there because as you said, maybe in the past somehow physics didn't work like today, didn't you say that? How is that not applicable to cause and effect? You are a hypocrite.

According to several standard interpretations of quantum mechanics, microscopic phenomena are objectively random.[6] That is, in an experiment that controls all causally relevant parameters, some aspects of the outcome still vary randomly. For example, if a single unstable atom is placed in a controlled environment, it cannot be predicted how long it will take for the atom to decay—only the probability of decay in a given time.[7] Thus, quantum mechanics does not specify the outcome of individual experiments but only the probabilities.

Quit being a hypocrite. We don't know whether everything had a cause or not, that's a fact.


You know that nothing that has been proven in science has an absolute proof for it. There is always a potential that something was missed. For example.

Newtons Laws have been proven. But there are possible extremes of nature where the proofs might be wrong.

But that is not what we are talking about when we say "proof." Rather, we are talking about evidence that is so great that there really won't be evidence against it.

Regarding cause and effect, that's the kind of evidence we find. Regarding evolution, we really haven't found anything in evolution that can be applied in such a way that it can't be readily contradicted with science.

Evolution is barely possible, but C&E  - which totally discredits evolution - is barely NOT possible.

Evolution is complete hoax being professed as it is.

There are billions of C&E happenings that, obviously and scientifically, are C&E. Yet there are so few so-called evolution happenings that are obviously and scientifically evolution, that evolution does not exist. All but the tiniest fraction of a percent of evolution can be proven to exist. And the part of evolution that can be proven, can fit other things as well.

No evolution. Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

EDIT: If you are talking about scientific proof that is 100% - 1000% - proof, C&E is so close to it that C&E is essentially proof. Evolution is so far away from proof, that evolution is impossible.
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December 16, 2017, 03:45:37 PM
Its not a hoax! Evolution is just a fancy word for some fine ass, flawless and rule bound programming written by someone. For real, the way everything in this world works, including the biology of all organisms, it just seems so.... programmed. Coded. A little too perfectly.


However, science regarding cause and effect is not incorrect. Everything is programmed. Perhaps we will find it is not someday. But so far science has found nothing that is not C&E derived and affected. Point it out if you know of it.

This means that even evolution theory has been programmed to have happened. The scientists and others who have made and upheld evolution theory have been programmed to do so by C&E. This in itself shows that the so-called random mutations spoken about in evolution theory, are not random at all. Scientists were simply programmed by C&E, as was their theory of evolution.

Why would "some great programmer of nature" program scientists to think up a theory that says that there was pure random not affected by C&E, especially in the face of this programming, itself, proving evolution theory to be false? Why? To show the evolution scientists (and all of us) that even the things that they (we) are saying are programmed, so that they (we) can see that anything that seems to apply to evolution is programmed, as well, and not random mutations at all.

Cool

You can't prove everything is programmed, you can't even prove that everything has a cause (radioactive decay doesn't)

Quite the contrary. Everybody can prove it to themselves. All they have to do is realize that complexity that cause and effect provide.

Cool

That's not proof of anything. All they have to realize is that we don't know if everything has a cause or not and we certainly don't know if the cause was programmed or not

Oh dear. Countless billions of things proven to have a cause or causal group, and no effect ever proven to have existence NOT because of a cause or causal group... and we don't know?

Another thing we don't know is if that star some 13 billion lightyears from here has more than one planet circling it, or if that star even exists. But just because we don't know about that star, doesn't mean that stars don't exist by the billions.

The thing that you are trying to say is that we need to have all knowledge to have proof for something. Even scientists won't agree with you on that point.

Cool

I think you skipped this post mr hypocrite.

Yes you do have to prove that everything has a cause otherwise the statement ''everything has a cause'' is not known to be factual.  We do not know that everything has a cause. Just because most things have a cause doesn't mean everything had or has a cause. You didn't agree with all the dating methods although all the evidence is there because as you said, maybe in the past somehow physics didn't work like today, didn't you say that? How is that not applicable to cause and effect? You are a hypocrite.

According to several standard interpretations of quantum mechanics, microscopic phenomena are objectively random.[6] That is, in an experiment that controls all causally relevant parameters, some aspects of the outcome still vary randomly. For example, if a single unstable atom is placed in a controlled environment, it cannot be predicted how long it will take for the atom to decay—only the probability of decay in a given time.[7] Thus, quantum mechanics does not specify the outcome of individual experiments but only the probabilities.

Quit being a hypocrite. We don't know whether everything had a cause or not, that's a fact.

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December 16, 2017, 02:23:30 PM
Its not a hoax! Evolution is just a fancy word for some fine ass, flawless and rule bound programming written by someone. For real, the way everything in this world works, including the biology of all organisms, it just seems so.... programmed. Coded. A little too perfectly.


However, science regarding cause and effect is not incorrect. Everything is programmed. Perhaps we will find it is not someday. But so far science has found nothing that is not C&E derived and affected. Point it out if you know of it.

This means that even evolution theory has been programmed to have happened. The scientists and others who have made and upheld evolution theory have been programmed to do so by C&E. This in itself shows that the so-called random mutations spoken about in evolution theory, are not random at all. Scientists were simply programmed by C&E, as was their theory of evolution.

Why would "some great programmer of nature" program scientists to think up a theory that says that there was pure random not affected by C&E, especially in the face of this programming, itself, proving evolution theory to be false? Why? To show the evolution scientists (and all of us) that even the things that they (we) are saying are programmed, so that they (we) can see that anything that seems to apply to evolution is programmed, as well, and not random mutations at all.

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You can't prove everything is programmed, you can't even prove that everything has a cause (radioactive decay doesn't)

Quite the contrary. Everybody can prove it to themselves. All they have to do is realize that complexity that cause and effect provide.

Cool

That's not proof of anything. All they have to realize is that we don't know if everything has a cause or not and we certainly don't know if the cause was programmed or not

Oh dear. Countless billions of things proven to have a cause or causal group, and no effect ever proven to have existence NOT because of a cause or causal group... and we don't know?

Another thing we don't know is if that star some 13 billion lightyears from here has more than one planet circling it, or if that star even exists. But just because we don't know about that star, doesn't mean that stars don't exist by the billions.

The thing that you are trying to say is that we need to have all knowledge to have proof for something. Even scientists won't agree with you on that point.

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December 16, 2017, 01:30:00 PM
I personally do not believe in the theory of evolution. While there may be creatures that are well adapted to their environment, I am not convinced that cellulite organisms can develop into something so complex. Smiley
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December 16, 2017, 06:47:57 AM
Its not a hoax! Evolution is just a fancy word for some fine ass, flawless and rule bound programming written by someone. For real, the way everything in this world works, including the biology of all organisms, it just seems so.... programmed. Coded. A little too perfectly.


However, science regarding cause and effect is not incorrect. Everything is programmed. Perhaps we will find it is not someday. But so far science has found nothing that is not C&E derived and affected. Point it out if you know of it.

This means that even evolution theory has been programmed to have happened. The scientists and others who have made and upheld evolution theory have been programmed to do so by C&E. This in itself shows that the so-called random mutations spoken about in evolution theory, are not random at all. Scientists were simply programmed by C&E, as was their theory of evolution.

Why would "some great programmer of nature" program scientists to think up a theory that says that there was pure random not affected by C&E, especially in the face of this programming, itself, proving evolution theory to be false? Why? To show the evolution scientists (and all of us) that even the things that they (we) are saying are programmed, so that they (we) can see that anything that seems to apply to evolution is programmed, as well, and not random mutations at all.

Cool

You can't prove everything is programmed, you can't even prove that everything has a cause (radioactive decay doesn't)

Quite the contrary. Everybody can prove it to themselves. All they have to do is realize that complexity that cause and effect provide.

Cool

That's not proof of anything. All they have to realize is that we don't know if everything has a cause or not and we certainly don't know if the cause was programmed or not
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