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An eternal being is just as weird as something coming into existence spontaneously. I don't think most theists actually care about the truth and what created them. It's more of a way to escape death and give life some meaning.

Whats weird is denying God, but thinking that the universe can somehow make something like evolution happen. Scientists can't force evolution to clearly happen even in the lab. With all their studies, they can't make people live in health for even 200 years. But stupid nature does all kinds life "miracles" because it is so stupid, right?

If there wasn't an eternal God, we would have to call nature God, just by the things that it can do.

All that aside, there still isn't any proof for evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

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Well you are denying the other 1999 gods. I'm only denying one more, we aren't very different when it comes to denying gods.

You think that there are only 1999 other gods? How strange, since every truly attempted atheist is setting himself up as a god. Those gods exist, at least on paper... but sometimes in rock carvings, or in their heads.

And that is the only place where evolution exists, as well. It's in the minds of evolutionists... not in reality.

Still waiting for proof that evolution is real, and not simply a widely dispersed science fiction story.

Evolution is a hoax.

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You are denying x gods (x being any number of gods you think exist) I'm only denying x + 1 so when it comes to denying gods we aren't very different. :^)

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Quote from: Astargath on January 17, 2019, 04:54:41 AM

Quote from: BADecker on January 16, 2019, 10:57:21 PM

Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 04:15:45 PM

An eternal being is just as weird as something coming into existence spontaneously. I don't think most theists actually care about the truth and what created them. It's more of a way to escape death and give life some meaning.

Whats weird is denying God, but thinking that the universe can somehow make something like evolution happen. Scientists can't force evolution to clearly happen even in the lab. With all their studies, they can't make people live in health for even 200 years. But stupid nature does all kinds life "miracles" because it is so stupid, right?

If there wasn't an eternal God, we would have to call nature God, just by the things that it can do.

All that aside, there still isn't any proof for evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

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Well you are denying the other 1999 gods. I'm only denying one more, we aren't very different when it comes to denying gods.

You think that there are only 1999 other gods? How strange, since every truly attempted atheist is setting himself up as a god. Those gods exist, at least on paper... but sometimes in rock carvings, or in their heads.

And that is the only place where evolution exists, as well. It's in the minds of evolutionists... not in reality.

Still waiting for proof that evolution is real, and not simply a widely dispersed science fiction story.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on January 16, 2019, 10:57:21 PM

Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 04:15:45 PM

An eternal being is just as weird as something coming into existence spontaneously. I don't think most theists actually care about the truth and what created them. It's more of a way to escape death and give life some meaning.

Whats weird is denying God, but thinking that the universe can somehow make something like evolution happen. Scientists can't force evolution to clearly happen even in the lab. With all their studies, they can't make people live in health for even 200 years. But stupid nature does all kinds life "miracles" because it is so stupid, right?

If there wasn't an eternal God, we would have to call nature God, just by the things that it can do.

All that aside, there still isn't any proof for evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

Well you are denying the other 1999 gods. I'm only denying one more, we aren't very different when it comes to denying gods.

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Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 04:15:45 PM

An eternal being is just as weird as something coming into existence spontaneously. I don't think most theists actually care about the truth and what created them. It's more of a way to escape death and give life some meaning.

Whats weird is denying God, but thinking that the universe can somehow make something like evolution happen. Scientists can't force evolution to clearly happen even in the lab. With all their studies, they can't make people live in health for even 200 years. But stupid nature does all kinds life "miracles" because it is so stupid, right?

If there wasn't an eternal God, we would have to call nature God, just by the things that it can do.

All that aside, there still isn't any proof for evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

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Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 04:15:45 PM

An eternal being is just as weird as something coming into existence spontaneously.

Lol, that's true, and that's why there is theism and atheism Cheesy

A couple things I want to add.

If there is such a thing as an eternal first cause or God, then this implies that something can exist eternally. Thus even the universe could exist eternally as well, and requires no creator. In such a scenario, Occam's razor would indicate that the universe is itself eternal.

However modern cosmology seems to indicate that our universe is not eternal but rather has a beginning, and so in order to support the eternal universe model, we create a theory where the universe goes through endless expansion-contraction cycles forever. I personally do not believe our universe goes through endless expansion-contraction cycles, because I believe in intelligent design.

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Quote from: ATMD on January 16, 2019, 03:15:13 PM

Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 01:59:34 PM

Then they are not eternal, boom! An atheist simply doesn't believe ridiculous claims without evidence. I never rejected the idea that the universe is created by some being somehow somewhere. There is no way to know that right now.

If the aliens came into existence by themselves (nobody created them), then this implies that something can spontaneously come into existence by itself. Thus even the universe could come into existence by itself as well, and requires no creator. In such a scenario, Occam's razor would indicate that the universe did not need aliens to create it.

If the aliens were created by someone, we need to find out whether their creator is eternal, and so on until we identify the first cause, or the eternal being that always exist. Thus we would identify him/her as God.

Many theists go back to the first cause from the get-go, they don't bother with intermediary creators, they care about the ultimate creator of everything and who always exists.

An eternal being is just as weird as something coming into existence spontaneously. I don't think most theists actually care about the truth and what created them. It's more of a way to escape death and give life some meaning.

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Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 01:59:34 PM

Then they are not eternal, boom! An atheist simply doesn't believe ridiculous claims without evidence. I never rejected the idea that the universe is created by some being somehow somewhere. There is no way to know that right now.

If the aliens came into existence by themselves (nobody created them), then this implies that something can spontaneously come into existence by itself. Thus even the universe could come into existence by itself as well, and requires no creator. In such a scenario, Occam's razor would indicate that the universe did not need aliens to create it.

If the aliens were created by someone, we need to find out whether their creator is eternal, and so on until we identify the first cause, or the eternal being that always exist. Thus we would identify him/her as God.

Many theists go back to the first cause from the get-go, they don't bother with intermediary creators, they care about the ultimate creator of everything and who always exists.

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Quote from: ATMD on January 16, 2019, 12:59:33 PM

Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 12:12:01 PM

Yes and mr super creator that I just invented is now by definition the creator of the universe, therefore mr super creator is the creator of the universe. You see any flaws with that argument?

It is not an argument mate.

I was simply saying that a person who believes that this universe was created by an eternal alien race is a theist, not an atheist. To him, the aliens are gods/deities.

I am not saying that you believe this mate, I know you are an atheist.

An atheist does not subscribe to the idea that this universe was created by anyone, not even aliens.

Then they are not eternal, boom! An atheist simply doesn't believe ridiculous claims without evidence. I never rejected the idea that the universe is created by some being somehow somewhere. There is no way to know that right now.

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Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 12:12:01 PM

Yes and mr super creator that I just invented is now by definition the creator of the universe, therefore mr super creator is the creator of the universe. You see any flaws with that argument?

It is not an argument mate.

I was simply saying that a person who believes that this universe was created by an eternal alien race is a theist, not an atheist. To him, the aliens are gods/deities.

I am not saying that you believe this mate, I know you are an atheist.

An atheist does not subscribe to the idea that this universe was created by anyone, not even aliens.

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Quote from: ATMD on January 16, 2019, 09:21:42 AM

Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 09:15:51 AM

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Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 08:55:42 AM

Yeah, no.. God from the bible is clearly defined as 1 being, perhaps 3 but not 100 or 1000. A very advanced alien race outside the universe could have created it and no, that's not god, sorry.

Exactly, but the God of the bible is a monotheistic view of God. Many theists do not believe in the God of the bible.

I understand but it doesn't have to be a ''god''. There are thousands of different gods, the other option is simply super advanced civilizations that created the universe without being omnipotent etc etc.

True mate.

It comes down to this, are these aliens uncreated? ie always exist, eternal?

God is uncreated by definition. God always exist. If these aliens had a point of origin then they are not God.

The reason why I described them as God earlier was because of the this statement.
"If those aliens create the universe and exist outside of space and time, then they are by definition, God"

Something(s) that create this world and exist outside of space and time must logically be independent of time, ie eternal.

Yes and mr super creator that I just invented is now by definition the creator of the universe, therefore mr super creator is the creator of the universe. You see any flaws with that argument?

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Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 09:15:51 AM

Quote from: ATMD on January 16, 2019, 08:58:16 AM

Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 08:55:42 AM

Yeah, no.. God from the bible is clearly defined as 1 being, perhaps 3 but not 100 or 1000. A very advanced alien race outside the universe could have created it and no, that's not god, sorry.

Exactly, but the God of the bible is a monotheistic view of God. Many theists do not believe in the God of the bible.

I understand but it doesn't have to be a ''god''. There are thousands of different gods, the other option is simply super advanced civilizations that created the universe without being omnipotent etc etc.

True mate.

It comes down to this, are these aliens uncreated? ie always exist, eternal?

God is uncreated by definition. God always exist. If these aliens had a point of origin then they are not God.

The reason why I described them as God earlier was because of the this statement.
"If those aliens create the universe and exist outside of space and time, then they are by definition, God"

Something(s) that create this world and exist outside of space and time must logically be independent of time, ie eternal.

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Quote from: ATMD on January 16, 2019, 08:58:16 AM

Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 08:55:42 AM

Yeah, no.. God from the bible is clearly defined as 1 being, perhaps 3 but not 100 or 1000. A very advanced alien race outside the universe could have created it and no, that's not god, sorry.

Exactly, but the God of the bible is a monotheistic view of God. Many theists do not believe in the God of the bible.

I understand but it doesn't have to be a ''god''. There are thousands of different gods, the other option is simply super advanced civilizations that created the universe without being omnipotent etc etc.

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Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 08:55:42 AM

Yeah, no.. God from the bible is clearly defined as 1 being, perhaps 3 but not 100 or 1000. A very advanced alien race outside the universe could have created it and no, that's not god, sorry.

Exactly, but the God of the bible is a monotheistic view of God. Many theists do not believe in the God of the bible.

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Quote from: ATMD on January 16, 2019, 08:49:02 AM

Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 08:42:21 AM

No, actually not at all. God is first of all an invented word but never mind that, the broad definition of god is a creator/being/spirit that created the universe, however that's all singular, it's not defined as a few beings working together to create the universe which could be just as possible, wouldn't you say?

I understand what you mean bro, but that is a monotheistic view of God

God means the intelligent creator(s) of this universe in a broad theistic sense, and God can also be plural or singular. There is polytheism and monotheism, however both are theistic beliefs.

Yeah, no.. God from the bible is clearly defined as 1 being, perhaps 3 but not 100 or 1000. A very advanced alien race outside the universe could have created it and no, that's not god, sorry.

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Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 08:42:21 AM

No, actually not at all. God is first of all an invented word but never mind that, the broad definition of god is a creator/being/spirit that created the universe, however that's all singular, it's not defined as a few beings working together to create the universe which could be just as possible, wouldn't you say?

I understand what you mean bro, but that is a monotheistic view of God

God means the intelligent creator(s) of this universe in a broad theistic sense, and God can also be plural or singular. There is polytheism and monotheism, however both are theistic beliefs.

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Quote from: ATMD on January 16, 2019, 07:49:16 AM

Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 04:48:23 AM

Nope, those aliens have always existed, that's how they created the universe because they are outside of it.

If those aliens create the universe and exist outside of space and time, then they are by definition, "God".
So a person believes in aliens who created this world would be a theist, not an atheist.

No, actually not at all. God is first of all an invented word but never mind that, the broad definition of god is a creator/being/spirit that created the universe, however that's all singular, it's not defined as a few beings working together to create the universe which could be just as possible, wouldn't you say?

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Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 04:48:23 AM

Nope, those aliens have always existed, that's how they created the universe because they are outside of it.

If those aliens create the universe and exist outside of space and time, then they are by definition, "God".
So a person believes in aliens who created this world would be a theist, not an atheist.

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Quote from: Astargath on January 16, 2019, 04:48:23 AM

Quote from: BADecker on January 15, 2019, 10:17:55 PM

Quote from: CristianOff on January 15, 2019, 08:15:14 PM

Checkmate Atheists, evolution is a hoax and God exists.

New theory:
What if we evolved from aliens? Aliens that looked pretty much similar to monkeys and were left on Earth by more intelligent species because
we looked similar to monkeys so they thought, 'oh let's just put these guys here, they will be friends'

Checkmate God believers (including me)

The question would ask itself, What did the aliens evolve from? Back to first base.

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Nope, those aliens have always existed, that's how they created the universe because they are outside of it.

Being outside the universe makes them neither aliens nor not aliens... scientifically speaking. However, they may have made themselves known to us through revelation, in a non-scientific manner.

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Quote from: BADecker on January 15, 2019, 10:17:55 PM

Quote from: CristianOff on January 15, 2019, 08:15:14 PM

Checkmate Atheists, evolution is a hoax and God exists.

New theory:
What if we evolved from aliens? Aliens that looked pretty much similar to monkeys and were left on Earth by more intelligent species because
we looked similar to monkeys so they thought, 'oh let's just put these guys here, they will be friends'

Checkmate God believers (including me)

The question would ask itself, What did the aliens evolve from? Back to first base.

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Nope, those aliens have always existed, that's how they created the universe because they are outside of it.

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Quote from: CristianOff on January 15, 2019, 08:15:14 PM

Checkmate Atheists, evolution is a hoax and God exists.

New theory:
What if we evolved from aliens? Aliens that looked pretty much similar to monkeys and were left on Earth by more intelligent species because
we looked similar to monkeys so they thought, 'oh let's just put these guys here, they will be friends'

Checkmate God believers (including me)

The question would ask itself, What did the aliens evolve from? Back to first base.

Cool

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