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legendary
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June 18, 2018, 06:30:40 AM
^^^ Balance is the thing that leaves room for imagination.

For example. We look all around us and we see offspring of both plants and animals that are similar to their parents. Chickens have baby chickens. Alligators have baby alligators. Bears have baby bears. And this happens for all the forms of life. And it happens countless numbers of times all around the world, from giant whales to microscopic single celled creatures.

Never do we see chickens having baby alligators. Never do we see alligators having baby bears. Never do we see bears having anything other than baby bears. Not even once.

All of this works with such balance that we have lots of room for imagination. The thing we imagine is evolution. And the excuse for imagining evolution is that we are unwilling to recognize what we are really seeing... adaptation. Why are we unwilling to recognize adaptation? Simply because that's what we want to do.

Countless numbers of like begets like proven all over the place.
Countless forms of adaptation proven all over the place.
Not even one proven happening of evolution.

It totally doesn't make sense that smart scientists can imagine that evolution happened without having ever seen even one for-a-fact instance of it, and yet know for a fact that trillions of like-begets-like and adaptation are happening all over the place.

Evolution is a science fiction hoax.

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True, offspring looks overall the same as their parents, but they are not the same, not by a longshot. Neither physical nor the actual building blocks.
They can be taller or shorter, longer legs, bigger arms, smaller hand, blue eyes, red hair – and the more extreme, two heads, four arms, 10 fingers etc..

Take a tape, copy it a million times. A copy of a copy. Do you think it’s the same song still?  This is how evolution works. No one is arguing that a chicken gives birth to a baby elephant. This is not how evolution works. Evolution takes time, lots of time, but small changes can be seen all the time, all around you. Look at your own children. Are they taller then you? maybe smarter then you? Maybe dark hair? Maybe more compact? Or all the reverse. Evolution right in front of you!


The programming for all of the physical, and many of the mental processes, is found in the DNA. But the forms of DNA programming that would constitute evolution have never been found.

Copy a tape a million times and you will only find devolution... never evolution.

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June 18, 2018, 06:18:57 AM
^^^ Balance is the thing that leaves room for imagination.

For example. We look all around us and we see offspring of both plants and animals that are similar to their parents. Chickens have baby chickens. Alligators have baby alligators. Bears have baby bears. And this happens for all the forms of life. And it happens countless numbers of times all around the world, from giant whales to microscopic single celled creatures.

Never do we see chickens having baby alligators. Never do we see alligators having baby bears. Never do we see bears having anything other than baby bears. Not even once.

All of this works with such balance that we have lots of room for imagination. The thing we imagine is evolution. And the excuse for imagining evolution is that we are unwilling to recognize what we are really seeing... adaptation. Why are we unwilling to recognize adaptation? Simply because that's what we want to do.

Countless numbers of like begets like proven all over the place.
Countless forms of adaptation proven all over the place.
Not even one proven happening of evolution.

It totally doesn't make sense that smart scientists can imagine that evolution happened without having ever seen even one for-a-fact instance of it, and yet know for a fact that trillions of like-begets-like and adaptation are happening all over the place.

Evolution is a science fiction hoax.

Cool

True, offspring looks overall the same as their parents, but they are not the same, not by a longshot. Neither physical nor the actual building blocks.
They can be taller or shorter, longer legs, bigger arms, smaller hand, blue eyes, red hair – and the more extreme, two heads, four arms, 10 fingers etc..

Take a tape, copy it a million times. A copy of a copy. Do you think it’s the same song still?  This is how evolution works. No one is arguing that a chicken gives birth to a baby elephant. This is not how evolution works. Evolution takes time, lots of time, but small changes can be seen all the time, all around you. Look at your own children. Are they taller then you? maybe smarter then you? Maybe dark hair? Maybe more compact? Or all the reverse. Evolution right in front of you!
legendary
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June 18, 2018, 06:17:59 AM

A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested, in accordance with the scientific method, using a predefined protocol of observation and experiment.[1][2] Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge.

Of course after everyone telling you this hundreds of times you will still say the same shit, you are like a mindless robot, programmed to say the same things always, you indeed do not evolve.

And, of course, the testing produces no conclusive results. If it did, it would be considered scientific fact.

This is the way that a bunch of people incorporate their design ideas of what fact should be into our minds as though it is fact. They call it scientific theory, something that is constantly tested, and most often, found to be wrong somewhere down the road.

The scientific laws are scientific facts, not scientific theories, because they have never been found to be wrong, but have been found to be right so many times that there is not a scientific chance that they can be wrong.

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hero member
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June 18, 2018, 05:55:21 AM
I was kind of amazed by the exchange of ideas here.

Well, for me, evolution remains to be a theory, yes, just that, a theory, until now. I don't know how Charles Darwin became a celebrity scientist right after he theorized that what we are now are different centuries and centuries ago. Perhaps because his idea was sort of radically new? The discovery actually caused a bandwagon mentality among a lot people. The entire world was stirred by his claim. Established religion was terribly shaken to its core. School curricula are challenged. The people's comfort zone was rendered uncomfortable. 

And again, the classic, it's just a theory. Before saying more stupid shit, read what a scientific theory means because it's pretty much the best thing you can have in science.

Basically, a scientific theory is an educated guess about something scientific. As such, it can be modified to fit new findings.

This means that a scientific theory is not only less than a theory in the general sense of the word, but it might also be a consensus of a bunch of people who could be jokers with an political agenda rather than a desire for truth. So, that is what you are being led by in following scientific theory.

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A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested, in accordance with the scientific method, using a predefined protocol of observation and experiment.[1][2] Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge.

Of course after everyone telling you this hundreds of times you will still say the same shit, you are like a mindless robot, programmed to say the same things always, you indeed do not evolve.
legendary
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June 18, 2018, 05:44:00 AM
I was kind of amazed by the exchange of ideas here.

Well, for me, evolution remains to be a theory, yes, just that, a theory, until now. I don't know how Charles Darwin became a celebrity scientist right after he theorized that what we are now are different centuries and centuries ago. Perhaps because his idea was sort of radically new? The discovery actually caused a bandwagon mentality among a lot people. The entire world was stirred by his claim. Established religion was terribly shaken to its core. School curricula are challenged. The people's comfort zone was rendered uncomfortable. 

And again, the classic, it's just a theory. Before saying more stupid shit, read what a scientific theory means because it's pretty much the best thing you can have in science.

Basically, a scientific theory is an educated guess about something scientific. As such, it can be modified to fit new findings.

This means that a scientific theory is not only less than a theory in the general sense of the word, but it might also be a consensus of a bunch of people who could be jokers with an political agenda rather than a desire for truth. So, that is what you are being led by in following scientific theory.

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legendary
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June 18, 2018, 05:39:18 AM
I was kind of amazed by the exchange of ideas here.

Well, for me, evolution remains to be a theory, yes, just that, a theory, until now. I don't know how Charles Darwin became a celebrity scientist right after he theorized that what we are now are different centuries and centuries ago. Perhaps because his idea was sort of radically new? The discovery actually caused a bandwagon mentality among a lot people. The entire world was stirred by his claim. Established religion was terribly shaken to its core. School curricula are challenged. The people's comfort zone was rendered uncomfortable. 

2 Timothy 4:3:
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

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hero member
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June 18, 2018, 04:24:23 AM
I was kind of amazed by the exchange of ideas here.

Well, for me, evolution remains to be a theory, yes, just that, a theory, until now. I don't know how Charles Darwin became a celebrity scientist right after he theorized that what we are now are different centuries and centuries ago. Perhaps because his idea was sort of radically new? The discovery actually caused a bandwagon mentality among a lot people. The entire world was stirred by his claim. Established religion was terribly shaken to its core. School curricula are challenged. The people's comfort zone was rendered uncomfortable. 

And again, the classic, it's just a theory. Before saying more stupid shit, read what a scientific theory means because it's pretty much the best thing you can have in science.
newbie
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June 18, 2018, 03:16:27 AM
I was kind of amazed by the exchange of ideas here.

Well, for me, evolution remains to be a theory, yes, just that, a theory, until now. I don't know how Charles Darwin became a celebrity scientist right after he theorized that what we are now are different centuries and centuries ago. Perhaps because his idea was sort of radically new? The discovery actually caused a bandwagon mentality among a lot people. The entire world was stirred by his claim. Established religion was terribly shaken to its core. School curricula are challenged. The people's comfort zone was rendered uncomfortable. 
legendary
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June 15, 2018, 10:34:04 PM
How can you say Evolution is a hoax?

Just because religious books such as the bible and most ancient texts do not go farther than 6000 years ago does not mean that where we are today did not come thru the survival of the fittest thru evolution
All the evolution books are religious books.

The earth and the laws of physics in the form that they have been for the past approximately 6,000 years, are different than they were before 6,000 years ago, IF indeed the universe is older than 6,000 years or so. The idea that some of the before-6,000-years-ago physics is similar to that which exists now might be true. But there isn't any evolution outside of simple change, and adaptation. We don't know what might have gone before, if there was a before.


Are you suggesting that the laws of physic have evolved too? Interesting concept I have to say. If you add a lot of zeros to 6000, so the time frame becomes a lot larger, I have to agree.
Even more interesting, you put an IF in front of universe prior to 6000 years ago. Some Middle East and Egyptian cities are very close to being continuously inhabited for this timeframe. Some longest living organisms (have lived or are living) surpass this timeframe with ease. Did they exist prior to the universe?


Laws of physics have not evolved. They may have abruptly changed about 6,000 years ago. Included are the laws of time, making whatever time was before, to be different than it is today.

As for countries and organisms living before about 6,200, how do you know? Don't tell me you were there. Don't tell me that you know for a fact that in the last 6,000 years there haven't been any national novels made in countries, or that physical appearance we see scientifically, absolutely indicate that it was always this way. Science, itself, has found out that there have been many cataclysmic events in the past that have changed our ideas of what we believed before we discovered the cataclysms.

What I mean is, if the first C-14 for carbon dating came into existence 4,500 years ago, how could our carbon dating go beyond 4,500 ago? And that is what the ancient writings seem to suggest - that there was a "cloud" around the earth before the Great Flood of Noah's day, preventing the forming of C-14. Carbon dating is not a certain thing. Same with the other forms of scientific dating for one reason or another.

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Then how can you believe the bible? Who says that people didn't make up everything that's written in the bible? The bible is not a certain thing, same with other religious books.

Religitard's logic is as follows:
Everything in the scriptures is true, everything that contradicts the scriptures is false.

Life is so much simpler in the United States of Religitardia.  They don't need to worry about spacetime, Higgs field, or BB.  They have Genesis.
All the answers are provided for them.
legendary
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June 17, 2018, 07:00:35 PM
^^^ Balance is the thing that leaves room for imagination.

For example. We look all around us and we see offspring of both plants and animals that are similar to their parents. Chickens have baby chickens. Alligators have baby alligators. Bears have baby bears. And this happens for all the forms of life. And it happens countless numbers of times all around the world, from giant whales to microscopic single celled creatures.

Never do we see chickens having baby alligators. Never do we see alligators having baby bears. Never do we see bears having anything other than baby bears. Not even once.

All of this works with such balance that we have lots of room for imagination. The thing we imagine is evolution. And the excuse for imagining evolution is that we are unwilling to recognize what we are really seeing... adaptation. Why are we unwilling to recognize adaptation? Simply because that's what we want to do.

Countless numbers of like begets like proven all over the place.
Countless forms of adaptation proven all over the place.
Not even one proven happening of evolution.

It totally doesn't make sense that smart scientists can imagine that evolution happened without having ever seen even one for-a-fact instance of it, and yet know for a fact that trillions of like-begets-like and adaptation are happening all over the place.

Evolution is a science fiction hoax.

Cool

I'm a bit comfused.. Everything you say agrees with evolution
"We look all around us and we see offspring of both plants and animals that are similar to their parents"
True, thats part of evolution..
"Never do we see chickens having baby alligators. Never do we see alligators having baby bears. Never do we see bears having anything other than baby bears. Not even once."
True. The evolution therory says the same thing.
"Countless numbers of like begets like proven all over the place.
Countless forms of adaptation proven all over the place."
True
 So why are you sudenly jumping to "Evolution is a hoax" if you agree with everything in the therory?
I have asked you before. Read up on what the therory is. This just makes you look stupid

All you are suggesting is that the word "evolution" is the wrong word, and that evolution theory is not the same as the evolutionists say it is.

Some evolutionists suggest that people evolved from a form of ape. Since - as you say - like begets like, they are wrong. People were always people; apes were always apes. Evolution is wrong.

The point? Evolution is a hoax, either by the misapplication of the word, or by your improper usage of it, or by the false training that it gives to people who don't look into the evolution idea very much.

Evolution is a hoax.

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June 17, 2018, 06:15:52 PM
^^^ Balance is the thing that leaves room for imagination.

For example. We look all around us and we see offspring of both plants and animals that are similar to their parents. Chickens have baby chickens. Alligators have baby alligators. Bears have baby bears. And this happens for all the forms of life. And it happens countless numbers of times all around the world, from giant whales to microscopic single celled creatures.

Never do we see chickens having baby alligators. Never do we see alligators having baby bears. Never do we see bears having anything other than baby bears. Not even once.

All of this works with such balance that we have lots of room for imagination. The thing we imagine is evolution. And the excuse for imagining evolution is that we are unwilling to recognize what we are really seeing... adaptation. Why are we unwilling to recognize adaptation? Simply because that's what we want to do.

Countless numbers of like begets like proven all over the place.
Countless forms of adaptation proven all over the place.
Not even one proven happening of evolution.

It totally doesn't make sense that smart scientists can imagine that evolution happened without having ever seen even one for-a-fact instance of it, and yet know for a fact that trillions of like-begets-like and adaptation are happening all over the place.

Evolution is a science fiction hoax.

Cool

I'm a bit comfused.. Everything you say agrees with evolution
"We look all around us and we see offspring of both plants and animals that are similar to their parents"
True, thats part of evolution..
"Never do we see chickens having baby alligators. Never do we see alligators having baby bears. Never do we see bears having anything other than baby bears. Not even once."
True. The evolution therory says the same thing.
"Countless numbers of like begets like proven all over the place.
Countless forms of adaptation proven all over the place."
True
 So why are you sudenly jumping to "Evolution is a hoax" if you agree with everything in the therory?
I have asked you before. Read up on what the therory is. This just makes you look stupid

Badecker is someone who will not learn anything ever. He keeps yelling ''it's only a theory'' but you can see him in the flat earth thread defending gravity against notbatman, gravity is also just a theory, isn't it?
hero member
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June 17, 2018, 04:44:36 PM
^^^ Balance is the thing that leaves room for imagination.

For example. We look all around us and we see offspring of both plants and animals that are similar to their parents. Chickens have baby chickens. Alligators have baby alligators. Bears have baby bears. And this happens for all the forms of life. And it happens countless numbers of times all around the world, from giant whales to microscopic single celled creatures.

Never do we see chickens having baby alligators. Never do we see alligators having baby bears. Never do we see bears having anything other than baby bears. Not even once.

All of this works with such balance that we have lots of room for imagination. The thing we imagine is evolution. And the excuse for imagining evolution is that we are unwilling to recognize what we are really seeing... adaptation. Why are we unwilling to recognize adaptation? Simply because that's what we want to do.

Countless numbers of like begets like proven all over the place.
Countless forms of adaptation proven all over the place.
Not even one proven happening of evolution.

It totally doesn't make sense that smart scientists can imagine that evolution happened without having ever seen even one for-a-fact instance of it, and yet know for a fact that trillions of like-begets-like and adaptation are happening all over the place.

Evolution is a science fiction hoax.

Cool

I'm a bit comfused.. Everything you say agrees with evolution
"We look all around us and we see offspring of both plants and animals that are similar to their parents"
True, thats part of evolution..
"Never do we see chickens having baby alligators. Never do we see alligators having baby bears. Never do we see bears having anything other than baby bears. Not even once."
True. The evolution therory says the same thing.
"Countless numbers of like begets like proven all over the place.
Countless forms of adaptation proven all over the place."
True
 So why are you sudenly jumping to "Evolution is a hoax" if you agree with everything in the therory?
I have asked you before. Read up on what the therory is. This just makes you look stupid
legendary
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June 16, 2018, 04:16:33 PM
^^^ Balance is the thing that leaves room for imagination.

For example. We look all around us and we see offspring of both plants and animals that are similar to their parents. Chickens have baby chickens. Alligators have baby alligators. Bears have baby bears. And this happens for all the forms of life. And it happens countless numbers of times all around the world, from giant whales to microscopic single celled creatures.

Never do we see chickens having baby alligators. Never do we see alligators having baby bears. Never do we see bears having anything other than baby bears. Not even once.

All of this works with such balance that we have lots of room for imagination. The thing we imagine is evolution. And the excuse for imagining evolution is that we are unwilling to recognize what we are really seeing... adaptation. Why are we unwilling to recognize adaptation? Simply because that's what we want to do.

Countless numbers of like begets like proven all over the place.
Countless forms of adaptation proven all over the place.
Not even one proven happening of evolution.

It totally doesn't make sense that smart scientists can imagine that evolution happened without having ever seen even one for-a-fact instance of it, and yet know for a fact that trillions of like-begets-like and adaptation are happening all over the place.

Evolution is a science fiction hoax.

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June 16, 2018, 02:57:41 PM
No man. Everything is so balanced we can't even imagine. Evolution is tottaly calculated and naturally going. If there would be haox, we wouldn't be here
legendary
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June 16, 2018, 02:05:19 PM

Then how can you believe the bible? Who says that people didn't make up everything that's written in the bible? The bible is not a certain thing, same with other religious books.

Religitard's logic is as follows:
Everything in the scriptures is true, everything that contradicts the scriptures is false.

Life is so much simpler in the United States of Religitardia.  They don't need to worry about spacetime, Higgs field, or BB.  They have Genesis.
All the answers are provided for them.

Religitard's logic is as follows:
Everything in the Scriptures is false, everything that contradicts the Scriptures is true.

After all, there is no factual evidence for the existence of evolution. Not one factual example of evolution has been found. Everything that seems to point at evolution, can be described by adaptation better. This makes the Theory of Evolution a religious writing. A religious writing with no evidence like evolution, is a religious writing.

Scripture has the living nation of Israel to back it up, and the best logic in its laws, as well. Scripture might be used as religion, but it is life.

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June 15, 2018, 07:08:58 PM
How can you say Evolution is a hoax?

Just because religious books such as the bible and most ancient texts do not go farther than 6000 years ago does not mean that where we are today did not come thru the survival of the fittest thru evolution
All the evolution books are religious books.

The earth and the laws of physics in the form that they have been for the past approximately 6,000 years, are different than they were before 6,000 years ago, IF indeed the universe is older than 6,000 years or so. The idea that some of the before-6,000-years-ago physics is similar to that which exists now might be true. But there isn't any evolution outside of simple change, and adaptation. We don't know what might have gone before, if there was a before.


Are you suggesting that the laws of physic have evolved too? Interesting concept I have to say. If you add a lot of zeros to 6000, so the time frame becomes a lot larger, I have to agree.
Even more interesting, you put an IF in front of universe prior to 6000 years ago. Some Middle East and Egyptian cities are very close to being continuously inhabited for this timeframe. Some longest living organisms (have lived or are living) surpass this timeframe with ease. Did they exist prior to the universe?


Laws of physics have not evolved. They may have abruptly changed about 6,000 years ago. Included are the laws of time, making whatever time was before, to be different than it is today.

As for countries and organisms living before about 6,200, how do you know? Don't tell me you were there. Don't tell me that you know for a fact that in the last 6,000 years there haven't been any national novels made in countries, or that physical appearance we see scientifically, absolutely indicate that it was always this way. Science, itself, has found out that there have been many cataclysmic events in the past that have changed our ideas of what we believed before we discovered the cataclysms.

What I mean is, if the first C-14 for carbon dating came into existence 4,500 years ago, how could our carbon dating go beyond 4,500 ago? And that is what the ancient writings seem to suggest - that there was a "cloud" around the earth before the Great Flood of Noah's day, preventing the forming of C-14. Carbon dating is not a certain thing. Same with the other forms of scientific dating for one reason or another.

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Then how can you believe the bible? Who says that people didn't make up everything that's written in the bible? The bible is not a certain thing, same with other religious books.
legendary
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June 15, 2018, 04:25:03 PM
How can you say Evolution is a hoax?

Just because religious books such as the bible and most ancient texts do not go farther than 6000 years ago does not mean that where we are today did not come thru the survival of the fittest thru evolution
All the evolution books are religious books.

The earth and the laws of physics in the form that they have been for the past approximately 6,000 years, are different than they were before 6,000 years ago, IF indeed the universe is older than 6,000 years or so. The idea that some of the before-6,000-years-ago physics is similar to that which exists now might be true. But there isn't any evolution outside of simple change, and adaptation. We don't know what might have gone before, if there was a before.


Are you suggesting that the laws of physic have evolved too? Interesting concept I have to say. If you add a lot of zeros to 6000, so the time frame becomes a lot larger, I have to agree.
Even more interesting, you put an IF in front of universe prior to 6000 years ago. Some Middle East and Egyptian cities are very close to being continuously inhabited for this timeframe. Some longest living organisms (have lived or are living) surpass this timeframe with ease. Did they exist prior to the universe?


Laws of physics have not evolved. They may have abruptly changed about 6,000 years ago. Included are the laws of time, making whatever time was before, to be different than it is today.

As for countries and organisms living before about 6,200, how do you know? Don't tell me you were there. Don't tell me that you know for a fact that in the last 6,000 years there haven't been any national novels made in countries, or that physical appearance we see scientifically, absolutely indicate that it was always this way. Science, itself, has found out that there have been many cataclysmic events in the past that have changed our ideas of what we believed before we discovered the cataclysms.

What I mean is, if the first C-14 for carbon dating came into existence 4,500 years ago, how could our carbon dating go beyond 4,500 ago? And that is what the ancient writings seem to suggest - that there was a "cloud" around the earth before the Great Flood of Noah's day, preventing the forming of C-14. Carbon dating is not a certain thing. Same with the other forms of scientific dating for one reason or another.

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June 15, 2018, 07:03:43 AM
How can you say Evolution is a hoax?

Just because religious books such as the bible and most ancient texts do not go farther than 6000 years ago does not mean that where we are today did not come thru the survival of the fittest thru evolution
All the evolution books are religious books.

The earth and the laws of physics in the form that they have been for the past approximately 6,000 years, are different than they were before 6,000 years ago, IF indeed the universe is older than 6,000 years or so. The idea that some of the before-6,000-years-ago physics is similar to that which exists now might be true. But there isn't any evolution outside of simple change, and adaptation. We don't know what might have gone before, if there was a before.


Are you suggesting that the laws of physic have evolved too? Interesting concept I have to say. If you add a lot of zeros to 6000, so the time frame becomes a lot larger, I have to agree.
Even more interesting, you put an IF in front of universe prior to 6000 years ago. Some Middle East and Egyptian cities are very close to being continuously inhabited for this timeframe. Some longest living organisms (have lived or are living) surpass this timeframe with ease. Did they exist prior to the universe?
legendary
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May 04, 2018, 10:41:21 PM

Talking snakes, witches and demons seem more like science fiction than evolution, though. You claim creationism is the real deal but you would have to believe in all those stories too, so tell me badecker, do talking snakes exist?

So? Start a thread.

If nothing else, the observation of billions or trillions of cause-and-effect actions that happen all around us, and the fact that we have not found even one action that we can say came about without C&E, shows that the random mutations required for evolution simply don't exist. Everything has a cause. There is no random. But if there is a random action somewhere, we have not found it amidst billions and trillions C&E actions.

Evolution theory is a fun idea. But there is no basis for it that we know about in nature and reality.

Evolution is a hoax.

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Then casino games also don't exist because they are not random either, hehehe, badecker's logic.

Thank you for admitting that evolution is a hoax without defense.

How are you admitting it? By using wording that has nothing to do with evolution, and is inappropriate for the point you are making.

The fact that casino games exist, has nothing to do with whether or not they are random. And random or not, they have nothing to do with evolution.

So, thanks for helping to substantiate that Evolution is a hoax...
by trying to defend it, but showing nothing in its defense.

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As usual what I said flew right over your head. I was trying to say that even though we use the word random for many things it doesn't mean they are truly random like casino games a coin toss or a dice. In the same way evolutionists and scientists use the word random not only in evolution theory but many other theories. Again that doesn't mean it's truly random.

So, do you believe in talking snakes or not?

Regarding talking snakes, quantum mechanics could be used to show that they exist... if anybody was inclined to use it that way.

You continually seem to miss the part that true random is something that we have no knowledge of regarding its existence. We can barely conceive of the concept. If it isn't pure random, it isn't really random.

The point is, everything exists according to cause and effect. We have multitudes of observations of C&E, but no pure random observations at all.

Apply this to evolution. Simply, all that it means is that evolution theory plays on the ignorance of unthinking people when it uses the word random. Why? Because the word random as average people use it, doesn't apply to the way that evolution theory suggests that random would works in mutations. They are different concepts that use the same word, random.

The point revolves around you being ignorant enough to not understand this, or...

You being enough of a troll that you would rather trick people into your evolution religion through the use of semantics regarding the word random.

Random in everyday life isn't the same as random in evolution theory.

Evolution is a hoax.

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You also seem to miss the fact that if what created the universe, as you claim, was god and he is truly random since cause and effect do not apply to him, that means that everything is random. Picture it like this. Planets orbits are not random, they had a cause and that cause had a cause until you reach your god which had no cause so ultimately the cause for everything is something with no cause, meaning that everything is indeed random.

You seem to miss the point. This is the evolution thread. Just because you evolutionists can't think of anything else besides evolution or creation, shows that you are faulty in your evolution.

Evolution is a hoax. (Just tryin' ta stay on topic.)

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OWW, gottem. Too much logic for you at once eh? YOu are the one saying that cause and effect proves evolution is a hoax, I debunked it, deal with it, don't be a baby and admit when you lose.

You are so funny Cheesy  You have debunked your purported debunking over and over again. How? By not explaining any science in your so-called debunking. All you do is state that you have done some debunking.

Perhaps you have posted some links to something and called it debunking. But you wouldn't know if anything in your links debunked anything that I posted. Why not? Because you don't know what anything in your own links is talking about. How do we know this? Because you haven't been able to explain it. And even when you talk a little science, you can't refute the science that shows that your science is faulty.

You have been debunked. Your debunking has been debunked, and you have helped debunk your own debunking by not being able to support it with anything other than repeating some words that say you debunked something.

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Here's the explanation again:

You say that there is no such thing as true randomness because C&E is in everything, therefore evolution has to be a hoax.

I'm saying that, first of all, some things like radioactive decay seems to be truly random, we don't know just like we don't know if they aren't.

Moreover if everything has a cause, what caused god? You then say that god is outside the universe, bla bla, the typical made up shit and you say that he has no cause. So if god, that created the universe, has no cause, then everything is indeed random in the way that the first cause of everything has no cause and it is random.

I was hoping you might have a little bit of an answer this time. But did you notice the word you used following "radioactive decay?" That word is "seems." When does "seems" in one thing match "fact" in trillions of things? In addition, you can't explain how radioactive decay seems to not be cause and effect. But entropy shows the beginning, which means that even if radioactive decay was started at the beginning, it had a cause that it is the effect of.

Our universe is a caused thing that operates by cause and effect. God, being outside of the universe before the universe was created, doesn't have to follow the laws of the universe. How many times do you have to read this before you can think about it and let it sink in?

As far as randomness being outside of the universe, such is entirely possible. But since we are barely able to analyze a little part of the things that are within the universe, why should we be able to even think well enough to analyze something without. We don't know that random exists outside of the universe, and we don't have a clue about how to determine it. We can barely conceive of what outside of the universe means.

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There is no way for you to prove that radioactive decay is not random. Just because a lot of things have causes doesn't mean that everything else also does.

''But entropy shows the beginning, which means that even if radioactive decay was started at the beginning, it had a cause that it is the effect of.'' Entropy does not however show what the cause of the beginning is so it doesn't matter. Claiming that somehow you know there is a god ''outside the universe'' whatever that means is a lie because you don't know that.

You wont accept all the evidence of dating methods we have to show that the earth and the universe are far older than the bible says because you say that we don't know if those methods worked like that in the past, the same can be applied to your argument, you are not logical with your beliefs.

There is no way to prove that radioactive decay is random. But, radioactive decay involves material disintegrating. And material action operates by cause and effect, not random.

Entropy isn't the only requirement to show that God exists. So your entropy point is moot.

The eye witness records of the Bible state that the earth is approximately a little over 6,000 years old. By this we know that there are flaws in modern dating records. However, the scientists who started those records stated that they were uncertain that the methods were correct. Others have said the same. Scientific guestimations are part of the fiction of evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

And thanks for helping to show it, again.

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Talking snakes, witches and demons seem more like science fiction than evolution, though. You claim creationism is the real deal but you would have to believe in all those stories too, so tell me badecker, do talking snakes exist?

So? Start a thread.

If nothing else, the observation of billions or trillions of cause-and-effect actions that happen all around us, and the fact that we have not found even one action that we can say came about without C&E, shows that the random mutations required for evolution simply don't exist. Everything has a cause. There is no random. But if there is a random action somewhere, we have not found it amidst billions and trillions C&E actions.

Evolution theory is a fun idea. But there is no basis for it that we know about in nature and reality.

Evolution is a hoax.

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Then casino games also don't exist because they are not random either, hehehe, badecker's logic.

Thank you for admitting that evolution is a hoax without defense.

How are you admitting it? By using wording that has nothing to do with evolution, and is inappropriate for the point you are making.

The fact that casino games exist, has nothing to do with whether or not they are random. And random or not, they have nothing to do with evolution.

So, thanks for helping to substantiate that Evolution is a hoax...
by trying to defend it, but showing nothing in its defense.

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As usual what I said flew right over your head. I was trying to say that even though we use the word random for many things it doesn't mean they are truly random like casino games a coin toss or a dice. In the same way evolutionists and scientists use the word random not only in evolution theory but many other theories. Again that doesn't mean it's truly random.

So, do you believe in talking snakes or not?

Regarding talking snakes, quantum mechanics could be used to show that they exist... if anybody was inclined to use it that way.

You continually seem to miss the part that true random is something that we have no knowledge of regarding its existence. We can barely conceive of the concept. If it isn't pure random, it isn't really random.

The point is, everything exists according to cause and effect. We have multitudes of observations of C&E, but no pure random observations at all.

Apply this to evolution. Simply, all that it means is that evolution theory plays on the ignorance of unthinking people when it uses the word random. Why? Because the word random as average people use it, doesn't apply to the way that evolution theory suggests that random would works in mutations. They are different concepts that use the same word, random.

The point revolves around you being ignorant enough to not understand this, or...

You being enough of a troll that you would rather trick people into your evolution religion through the use of semantics regarding the word random.

Random in everyday life isn't the same as random in evolution theory.

Evolution is a hoax.

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You also seem to miss the fact that if what created the universe, as you claim, was god and he is truly random since cause and effect do not apply to him, that means that everything is random. Picture it like this. Planets orbits are not random, they had a cause and that cause had a cause until you reach your god which had no cause so ultimately the cause for everything is something with no cause, meaning that everything is indeed random.

You seem to miss the point. This is the evolution thread. Just because you evolutionists can't think of anything else besides evolution or creation, shows that you are faulty in your evolution.

Evolution is a hoax. (Just tryin' ta stay on topic.)

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OWW, gottem. Too much logic for you at once eh? YOu are the one saying that cause and effect proves evolution is a hoax, I debunked it, deal with it, don't be a baby and admit when you lose.

You are so funny Cheesy  You have debunked your purported debunking over and over again. How? By not explaining any science in your so-called debunking. All you do is state that you have done some debunking.

Perhaps you have posted some links to something and called it debunking. But you wouldn't know if anything in your links debunked anything that I posted. Why not? Because you don't know what anything in your own links is talking about. How do we know this? Because you haven't been able to explain it. And even when you talk a little science, you can't refute the science that shows that your science is faulty.

You have been debunked. Your debunking has been debunked, and you have helped debunk your own debunking by not being able to support it with anything other than repeating some words that say you debunked something.

Cool

Here's the explanation again:

You say that there is no such thing as true randomness because C&E is in everything, therefore evolution has to be a hoax.

I'm saying that, first of all, some things like radioactive decay seems to be truly random, we don't know just like we don't know if they aren't.

Moreover if everything has a cause, what caused god? You then say that god is outside the universe, bla bla, the typical made up shit and you say that he has no cause. So if god, that created the universe, has no cause, then everything is indeed random in the way that the first cause of everything has no cause and it is random.

I was hoping you might have a little bit of an answer this time. But did you notice the word you used following "radioactive decay?" That word is "seems." When does "seems" in one thing match "fact" in trillions of things? In addition, you can't explain how radioactive decay seems to not be cause and effect. But entropy shows the beginning, which means that even if radioactive decay was started at the beginning, it had a cause that it is the effect of.

Our universe is a caused thing that operates by cause and effect. God, being outside of the universe before the universe was created, doesn't have to follow the laws of the universe. How many times do you have to read this before you can think about it and let it sink in?

As far as randomness being outside of the universe, such is entirely possible. But since we are barely able to analyze a little part of the things that are within the universe, why should we be able to even think well enough to analyze something without. We don't know that random exists outside of the universe, and we don't have a clue about how to determine it. We can barely conceive of what outside of the universe means.

Cool

There is no way for you to prove that radioactive decay is not random. Just because a lot of things have causes doesn't mean that everything else also does.

''But entropy shows the beginning, which means that even if radioactive decay was started at the beginning, it had a cause that it is the effect of.'' Entropy does not however show what the cause of the beginning is so it doesn't matter. Claiming that somehow you know there is a god ''outside the universe'' whatever that means is a lie because you don't know that.

You wont accept all the evidence of dating methods we have to show that the earth and the universe are far older than the bible says because you say that we don't know if those methods worked like that in the past, the same can be applied to your argument, you are not logical with your beliefs.
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