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Quote from: Oasisman on November 05, 2022, 12:04:37 AM

Quote from: Maestro75 on October 30, 2022, 11:29:05 AM

From what you have tried to explain, it is not the users fault. But why is it that casinos and gambling sites are always looking for excuses not to pay out winnings. If they do not like paying winners they should not be running casino business at all.

How do we know if that user was really not in fault? from what the OP has explained it, the user claim tons of faucet and "bonus farming?" and smarter enough to make profit out of those free bets, that sounds like an abuse to me. Though it's not always gonna be the case, but mostly.

You talk like you have not encountered dubious casinos before. They do anything to make sure those who win will not get their winnings. It is not even about claiming tons of faucet. I have claimed on faucet sites and there were restrictions on what tokens to claim at certain duration. Some make it like five tokens daily even if there are countless of tokens there. Now tell me why a casino can not do same if it think it is going to be a crime, than allow gamblers play them and then use it against them?

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Quote from: Reatim on November 04, 2022, 11:04:05 PM

also faucet nowadays had been the starting point of casino sites to try luring players , caring nothing about the cheating because they can automatically hold or banned the account whenever they wanted .

and also faucet mostly favoring the site for the winning is just a little chance that losing unless there is an error in their settings .

But even though casinos can use faucets to attract players, not many casinos still have this faucet facility and they tend to provide other bonuses that are expected to bring in more players. Maybe they can learn from past mistakes because the faucet can attract many players to cheat to get more rewards from the faucet.

The prizes from the current faucets are also very small but maybe that's enough to start gambling, especially if we want to know the performance of the casinos that still have these faucets.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on October 30, 2022, 11:29:05 AM

Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

From what you have tried to explain, it is not the users fault. But why is it that casinos and gambling sites are always looking for excuses not to pay out winnings. If they do not like paying winners they should not be running casino business at all. You do not expect players to loss every time. If that happens you will find people losing interest in playing at casinos because they will conclude that there is no need to go play. Gamblers want what will increase the little cash they stake and not what will make them lose it. It is worse when they mistakenly win and you do not pay it out.

How do we know if that user was really not in fault? from what the OP has explained it, the user claim tons of faucet and "bonus farming?" and smarter enough to make profit out of those free bets, that sounds like an abuse to me. Though it's not always gonna be the case, but mostly.
We all know that every online casinos doesn't like abusive actions especially with the bonuses , faucet, and stuff like that. Nobody wants to be abused in any other way though, even us.
Whether or not that user was abusing, for sure that casino conducted their review with your transaction histories before making decisions. Not unless, if that casino is not reputable enough to follow a simple due process.

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Quote from: Strongkored on October 29, 2022, 03:39:35 AM

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Quote from: Daltonik on October 25, 2022, 01:19:57 PM

In my opinion, the requirements for bonuses at some online casinos are so not obvious and confusing that it allows gambling platforms to interpret them at their discretion and users may suffer due to unreasonable blocking. And in another case, if a player has found a way to benefit from a bug he discovered in the faucet or bonuses, then he should report it to the casino support.

OP is actually referring to the person getting extra bonuses as "smart" so it seems to imply that they're gaming the system, not just using the faucet, but abusing it.

If people simply use the faucets, then they shouldn't have a problem. Otherwise casinos would be blocking most of their customers, and that makes no sense.

That should be a concern because the smart way that players say is actually just a subtle word for cheating the system.
Actually, for now, not many casinos also include faucets, so there is a lot of abuse of faucets, now more casinos offer bonuses that can still be tricked by players.

also faucet nowadays had been the starting point of casino sites to try luring players , caring nothing about the cheating because they can automatically hold or banned the account whenever they wanted .

and also faucet mostly favoring the site for the winning is just a little chance that losing unless there is an error in their settings .

Quote from: GideonGono on November 02, 2022, 02:55:08 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I think that the website should be clear on their rules it was their system and if there aren't any rules about it, then it would really be unfair for the users even though they abuse the system it was the result of the website being unclear to their rules.

the website are always clear, specially the legit one , but the problem are the players who does not read the rules or intentionally breaking it .

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Quote from: GideonGono on November 02, 2022, 02:55:08 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

I think that the website should be clear on their rules it was their system and if there aren't any rules about it, then it would really be unfair for the users even though they abuse the system it was the result of the website being unclear to their rules.

It would be odd for a casino to not have some very clear rues when it comes to activities they consider faucet and bonus abuse, since this is one of the most obvious ways in which they can see their profits going down if enough people abuse their offers.

However if you could find a casino which such oversight on their terms of service then I would agree that the casino in on the wrong, as they would be blocking a withdrawal for something which was technically allowed, however I do not think this is likely at all.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

I think that the website should be clear on their rules it was their system and if there aren't any rules about it, then it would really be unfair for the users even though they abuse the system it was the result of the website being unclear to their rules.

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Quote from: ThemePen on November 01, 2022, 08:58:29 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

So, what do you think about this?

I have an example. I told my friend about trustdice an year ago. He claimed faucets and played the casino games. And he reached the threshold of withdraw.

He made withdraw but Trustdice ask him to deposit and paly games with deposited funds. Then they will give withdraw.

First of all they should give withdraw. If they don't want to give withdraw they should remove faucet claiming.

This provides an example that there are still people who think playing with faucets is still profitable for them.
At least they can reach the withdrawal limit, although they are required to deposit the minimum but if it is a recommended casino, they certainly don't have to worry if they want to withdraw their money.
A faucet's presence can attract more players to play gambling on a site because by getting free money from the faucet, they can feel the experience.
And if they are satisfied, they will deposit the minimum amount required to be able to continue playing.

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Quote from: bakasabo on November 01, 2022, 03:44:29 AM

What amazes me, is that there are still people who believe in faucets. We all know where free cheese is, but still spend time claiming faucets. How much could a faucet bring? Even with 24/7 claiming. A dollar per month or a year? Using multiple accounts for such think is not wise, as VPN cost more. Faucets were profitable maybe only in 2015-2017. In 2022 every faucet is a waste of time. Bonus hunting is different, but still a waste of time. Requirements for bonus are usually hard to achieve and while achieving them, chances of loosing money are higher than during usual gambling imo.

Don't be surprised, there's still a lot of poor people on third world countries who get paid around $2/day after work from 7AM to 5PM, obviously those faucet is very meaningful for them. Since faucet is free and they can withdraw the bonus money if they can complete the requirement, they will try and keep gamble with the faucet until they're very lucky. Usually a casino set a limit withdrawal for bonus money is for $50, with this they can get 1 month payment without need to work from 7AM to 5PM.

that sadden me , hearing in some countries people are still earning 2 dollars for 10 hours working time , and i indeed respect them for earning in faucet as the amount is truly a big help for their living.
that's why in some gambling sites that offers even single satoshi for spin? they tend to accumulate and try their luck.

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Quote from: abel1337 on November 01, 2022, 08:00:06 PM

Abusers are wise, There's a high chance that they are doing multi accounting on those casino that has a faucet system and might be using bots to claim those faucets for an easy way to abuse the casino.

I have never seen people abuse faucets with multiple accounts nowadays. Because minimum withdrawal fee usually is so high (compared to amount user receive with single claim), that it will take a lot of time, about 3-9 months before that amount can be reached. And even after that, casinos charge withdrawal fees, which makes faucets a complete waste of time. Who would in clear mind run multiple accounts for months to get some dollars? I think through freelance job it will be much quicker to achieve same financial result.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

So, what do you think about this?

I have an example. I told my friend about trustdice an year ago. He claimed faucets and played the casino games. And he reached the threshold of withdraw.

He made withdraw but Trustdice ask him to deposit and paly games with deposited funds. Then they will give withdraw.

First of all they should give withdraw. If they don't want to give withdraw they should remove faucet claiming.

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Quote from: madnessteat on November 01, 2022, 11:06:00 AM

Quote from: bakasabo on November 01, 2022, 03:44:29 AM

What amazes me, is that there are still people who believe in faucets. We all know where free cheese is, but still spend time claiming faucets. How much could a faucet bring? Even with 24/7 claiming. A dollar per month or a year? Using multiple accounts for such think is not wise, as VPN cost more. Faucets were profitable maybe only in 2015-2017. In 2022 every faucet is a waste of time. Bonus hunting is different, but still a waste of time. Requirements for bonus are usually hard to achieve and while achieving them, chances of loosing money are higher than during usual gambling imo.

I agree with you that using faucet in 2022 is a futile exercise. I would rather spend this time to improve their skills, which in the future can contribute to higher earnings.

If I was a casino owner I definitely wouldn't run faucet on my platform, because in my opinion it mostly attracts audience with money problems.

In my opinion a deposit bonus is more beneficial for the casino.

I may be doing the same, It is more wise to gather some skills than spending time doing faucets but it will be the same case for abusers. Abusers are wise, There's a high chance that they are doing multi accounting on those casino that has a faucet system and might be using bots to claim those faucets for an easy way to abuse the casino. It really attracts people with money problems but those people are primarily their target since those people can't control themselves and has a high possibility of just depositing and enjoy doing gambling. But if they were exploited hard time, It would be a different scenario and the casino might have the intent to block those who are winning from faucet on more than they expected.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

You could argue about the fact that applying a true fix to this issue is the real way issue with faucet exploits could be solved. But I can bet my bottom dollar that:

A. These people would just find other ways to exploit the system
B. The gambling sites in question wouldn't do anything about it because these exploits bait people into coming to their site.

And even if the above factors weren't the case for the majority, regular patches on a very dynamic site such as a gambling website would cost its primary stakeholders extra money in the upkeep department, which means less money for them. So no, the changes we so desire are a bit too impossible at the moment, given the current circumstances.

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Quote from: bakasabo on November 01, 2022, 03:44:29 AM

What amazes me, is that there are still people who believe in faucets. We all know where free cheese is, but still spend time claiming faucets. How much could a faucet bring? Even with 24/7 claiming. A dollar per month or a year? Using multiple accounts for such think is not wise, as VPN cost more. Faucets were profitable maybe only in 2015-2017. In 2022 every faucet is a waste of time. Bonus hunting is different, but still a waste of time. Requirements for bonus are usually hard to achieve and while achieving them, chances of loosing money are higher than during usual gambling imo.

I agree with you that using faucet in 2022 is a futile exercise. I would rather spend this time to improve their skills, which in the future can contribute to higher earnings.

If I was a casino owner I definitely wouldn't run faucet on my platform, because in my opinion it mostly attracts audience with money problems.

In my opinion a deposit bonus is more beneficial for the casino.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on November 01, 2022, 07:41:19 AM

Quote from: bakasabo on November 01, 2022, 03:44:29 AM

What amazes me, is that there are still people who believe in faucets. We all know where free cheese is, but still spend time claiming faucets. How much could a faucet bring? Even with 24/7 claiming. A dollar per month or a year? Using multiple accounts for such think is not wise, as VPN cost more. Faucets were profitable maybe only in 2015-2017. In 2022 every faucet is a waste of time. Bonus hunting is different, but still a waste of time. Requirements for bonus are usually hard to achieve and while achieving them, chances of loosing money are higher than during usual gambling imo.

Don't be surprised, there's still a lot of poor people on third world countries who get paid around $2/day after work from 7AM to 5PM, obviously those faucet is very meaningful for them. Since faucet is free and they can withdraw the bonus money if they can complete the requirement, they will try and keep gamble with the faucet until they're very lucky. Usually a casino set a limit withdrawal for bonus money is for $50, with this they can get 1 month payment without need to work from 7AM to 5PM.

Agree with this, I know someone like this, even though it is only a small amount, but it will accumulate over time. The reason why they have a kind of patience for this is that they need money. Most of this is in third-world countries, and their income is very low. People will say it will take time, or the website owner will be happy because there are still people going to faucets and earning from it. You should be amazed that this kind of person has a lot of patience when it comes to this. But for us, faucets in the gambling site are really for testing the features or trying the website and having a grasp before depositing our money.

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Quote from: bakasabo on November 01, 2022, 03:44:29 AM

What amazes me, is that there are still people who believe in faucets. We all know where free cheese is, but still spend time claiming faucets. How much could a faucet bring? Even with 24/7 claiming. A dollar per month or a year? Using multiple accounts for such think is not wise, as VPN cost more. Faucets were profitable maybe only in 2015-2017. In 2022 every faucet is a waste of time. Bonus hunting is different, but still a waste of time. Requirements for bonus are usually hard to achieve and while achieving them, chances of loosing money are higher than during usual gambling imo.

Don't be surprised, there's still a lot of poor people on third world countries who get paid around $2/day after work from 7AM to 5PM, obviously those faucet is very meaningful for them. Since faucet is free and they can withdraw the bonus money if they can complete the requirement, they will try and keep gamble with the faucet until they're very lucky. Usually a casino set a limit withdrawal for bonus money is for $50, with this they can get 1 month payment without need to work from 7AM to 5PM.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

I think we users don't really twkethe time to read through the terms and conditions of a casino before usage.
Some casinos always states it very clear, it's right to restrict and block any account with any threat suspicion or that defiles their rules and that's why most of abnormalities of th casinos aren't treated seriously

But with regards to this very form you expressed which you indirectly pointed at the casinos, then, the casinos are to take full responsibility of their system and make amendments rather than shutting Dow a customers account.

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What amazes me, is that there are still people who believe in faucets. We all know where free cheese is, but still spend time claiming faucets. How much could a faucet bring? Even with 24/7 claiming. A dollar per month or a year? Using multiple accounts for such think is not wise, as VPN cost more. Faucets were profitable maybe only in 2015-2017. In 2022 every faucet is a waste of time. Bonus hunting is different, but still a waste of time. Requirements for bonus are usually hard to achieve and while achieving them, chances of loosing money are higher than during usual gambling imo.

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Quote from: Strongkored on October 29, 2022, 03:39:35 AM

Quote from: nullama on October 25, 2022, 05:14:43 PM

OP is actually referring to the person getting extra bonuses as "smart" so it seems to imply that they're gaming the system, not just using the faucet, but abusing it.

If people simply use the faucets, then they shouldn't have a problem. Otherwise casinos would be blocking most of their customers, and that makes no sense.

That should be a concern because the smart way that players say is actually just a subtle word for cheating the system.
Actually, for now, not many casinos also include faucets, so there is a lot of abuse of faucets, now more casinos offer bonuses that can still be tricked by players.

Casinos can always put a strict rule when it comes to faucet use so that it will not be abused by the gamblers. That way, there's no need for them to remove the faucet but still, there are many casinos who remove their faucet.

I think that's because of other reasons. Maybe they think faucets are too outdated already? Which is kinda true and If gamblers want's to test the site then there are now demo plays which works better than the faucets because you can test the games all you want. Bonuses, on the other hand are already there even before. Many gamblers are trying to abuse the bonus more than the faucets because they are more profitable.

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Quote from: nullama on October 29, 2022, 07:20:18 PM

Quote from: Strongkored on October 29, 2022, 03:39:35 AM

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That should be a concern because the smart way that players say is actually just a subtle word for cheating the system.
Actually, for now, not many casinos also include faucets, so there is a lot of abuse of faucets, now more casinos offer bonuses that can still be tricked by players.

Yeah, and that's the thing. Anything nice provided by any company can in theory be abused.

It's fine if the abusers get banned, it's the only way to keep the nice thing being delivered to the vast majority of users.

Also, someone's not smart for abusing a system. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.

In most cases, yes, almost all bonuses provided by the casino to treat their users or gamblers can be abused. However, casinos most like know it already and have set up to detect abusers. Also, some of them set up restrictions and requirements to receive these bonuses.

It's great to have the moral high ground and avoided finding loopholes to these bonuses offered. But for these abusers, it might actually be smart for them to abuse those bonuses as most of them was able to abuse the system before getting caught.

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Quote from: Strongkored on October 29, 2022, 03:39:35 AM

That should be a concern because the smart way that players say is actually just a subtle word for cheating the system.
Actually, for now, not many casinos also include faucets, so there is a lot of abuse of faucets, now more casinos offer bonuses that can still be tricked by players.

I believe the casino has a countermeasure for this kind of cheating. Exploiting faucets and bonuses can be detected by their anti-abuse system. Aside from that faucet amount is really small and they implement a deposit or wagering requirement before it can be withdrawn.

Quote from: nullama on October 29, 2022, 07:20:18 PM

Yeah, and that's the thing. Anything nice provided by any company can in theory be abused.

It's fine if the abusers get banned, it's the only way to keep the nice thing being delivered to the vast majority of users.

Also, someone's not smart for abusing a system. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.

And in theory, these abuses can be detected, and eventually, the perpetrator will be banned and blocked from playing in the casino. Yeah, it is fine if the abusers get banned but there is a serious problem lies in this system. The casino often takes advantage of this abuse stuff in order to prevent or delay legit players from withdrawing their winnings and need to provide additional personal information to be verified. Then they will delay the process for months. We have seen cases like this on the scam accusation board.

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