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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 21, 2022, 08:30:53 AM

One is wintomato and the other one is winz...

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Both casinos have addressed the issue and there's manipulation and abuse if you're going to claim bonuses and faucets be sure to be on the safe side, casinos will not let you abuse, creating multiple accounts and manipulation will get your account blocked and your money confiscated because they have issued these warnings already in their terms of service, I claim on faucets when I have the time but not in any way that will fall to abuse, all casinos watched their members activity and marked those cheaters and abusers.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

My only question Sir, how did you know that this double casino has locked users because they have accumulated a lot of faucets that were obtained from the casino itself for free or the users have grown the faucets that they have obtained for free and were able to grow them for can they withdraw it nowadays?

Just now I saw a casino that has faucets on their platform that will suddenly lock the account just because they have accumulated a lot of altcoins via faucets. Literally, the owner of the gambling platform was wrong when they did that, because it would have been better if they had not installed any faucets, or if they had limited the claiming of faucets.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

I am not familiar with the 2 casinos where it happens and to me it seems more a problem of the casino rather than the gamblers. Faucets or free bonuses are part of many casinos these days. In Poker I have been using free Sit'n'Go tickets for many years now. It's a great tool for the casino to keep the gamblers engaged and help new customers to build up a decent bankroll overtime. The main idea behind these bonuses is that you use them on the casino itself and don't just withdraw them. As far as I know most of the casino don't even allow you to withdraw the money as it's blocked until you bet the amount at least 2-3 times. It's very similar to a deposit bonus which you need to activate over time, it's not that you can instantly withdraw all the money again that the casino gave you as a new customer. So if in this specific case a casino didn't design the bonuses properly and the gambler managed to withdraw the money straight away he should not be banned for that. Rather change the conditions of your promotions so customers can't abuse them anymore.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on October 22, 2022, 11:11:02 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

I see this very unethical from the casino end to block the user account if they are claiming faucet and bonus often ? Why do they enable unlimited faucets if they do not want people to claim them. How strange is that casino offer free money in form of bonus and faucets to attract the gamblers but when those gamblers start collect money, they tend to block them.

I know one site that is freebitco where you can claim faucet every hour and they will never block you even if you claim that faucet 24/7.
This is how it should be. Either don't give free money and if you give, don't make cheap moves like licking accounts.

There is a lot of reason why the casino is blocking people who use faucet since they are thinking they are using some program to bypass the system or manipulate it. The only problem is that even though you are just using the faucet and system may find it suspicious if it's huge money, and the only way is to provide a screenshot and report it to customer service. And we all know gambling sites will review it first which really took a lot of time before can take action on it.

Hopefully, some of the gambling sites take an action quickly for the concern of their players since they are like a gem that makes them still stand.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

I think casinos should avoid to reach the point where they block withdrawals to users, only because they want to take some advantage of the faucets.
It is a matter or letting people using their services that they are not allowed to some certain things, for example, let me know explicitly they cannot withdraw funds obtained 100% from the faucet. In the end, the casino does it because understandingly they need to protect their capital, they are a business after all.

Blocking withdrawals and limiting accounts only hurts the reputation of the casino and the bad reviews and opinions spread fairly quickly.
Clear rules and making sure everyone understand them, so both the user and the casino staff save time and bad reputation.

I personally find bonus farming more serious than faucet farming, but that is just my perception on the issue.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

This is the eternal debate. In principle if it is the casino's fault and the user has not broken any rules, it is something that should be fixed without banning him. But there are many other cases where multi-accounting is forbidden, for example, and users keep creating different accounts to abuse. Freebitco.in would be a classic example, which copes well because it is very profitable despite having to do a lot of cleanup.

Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 22, 2022, 10:31:03 PM

But I actually wonder how they can find out if someone has multiple accounts and can abuse promos, prizes, and others because of the many members who join them, of course, it won't be easy to find them. But because the casino has the power to conduct investigations on its website by opening a database of member lists and reviewing their activities. It wouldn't be fair if someone could cheat while someone else gambled just for fun and to test their luck.

In some cases it is impossible, but in many others they are so dumb that they leave clues.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

I see this very unethical from the casino end to block the user account if they are claiming faucet and bonus often ? Why do they enable unlimited faucets if they do not want people to claim them. How strange is that casino offer free money in form of bonus and faucets to attract the gamblers but when those gamblers start collect money, they tend to block them.

I know one site that is freebitco where you can claim faucet every hour and they will never block you even if you claim that faucet 24/7.
This is how it should be. Either don't give free money and if you give, don't make cheap moves like licking accounts.

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Quote from: molsewid on October 22, 2022, 12:19:06 PM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 22, 2022, 12:05:09 PM

It would be better if you don't have many accounts, even if your goal is just to have fun, because as it is written in the rules of every casino that a person can only have one account. But many people abuse it because they want to get more bonuses and faucets and don't think if the casino finds out, it can block all of their accounts. And maybe that's why KYC began to be implemented so that each account can only use 1 identity. But of course, there will be ways for them, especially those who often exploit the abuse of bonuses and faucets, to get more.

That is really a problem if someone has multiple accounts, we all know that it is prohibited because owners knew that soon those promos, giveaways and other things can be spammed by someone who has a multiple accounts, it would be unfair to everyone if they will abuse faucets and also the casino has the right to hold their account if they caught something wrong.

But I actually wonder how they can find out if someone has multiple accounts and can abuse promos, prizes, and others because of the many members who join them, of course, it won't be easy to find them. But because the casino has the power to conduct investigations on its website by opening a database of member lists and reviewing their activities. It wouldn't be fair if someone could cheat while someone else gambled just for fun and to test their luck.

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Bonus and faucet are just one of the few features most online casinos have. I believe if the casino had set it this way, they should've created a countermeasure for players to abuse this and for the casinos to lose money for those who are just staying in the casino to farm free money. If they had implemented the bonus and faucet without checking the possibilities of how players can abuse it, it is the casino's fault, not the players'. Some casinos offer free spins, faucet claims, the casino can set a code to limit players from abusing it and to avoid them farming money without spending or even using the casino. They can also ban the IP of players who makes multiple accounts.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

So, what do you think about this?

The easiest way for casinos would be to block their players but it does leave a bad experience for their players which could hurt their reputation a bit. The other way for them to handle this would be to take their temporary losses since they'll still come out on top anyway and slowly tweak the rules in their favor if they still think the players are getting too much profit from the bonuses. I'd side with the users since you can't blame the people for taking the opportunity when it's there and i'd do the same if I see a good bonus.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

I agree, they should be the one to find at fault when a user tries to do it repetitively as seen in their system. As long as it is clean and there's no abuse that's being done, they should allow that since they're the one giving faucets and making bonuses.

If they don't like the outcome of it, they should just give notice that the user shouldn't be eligible anymore for any of those features. And as they give that notice, they should give the reason and it should be justifiable.

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Quote from: Awaklara on October 21, 2022, 12:41:04 AM

I'm not sure if the problem is the players who managed to claim a lot of the faucets and bonuses. if that's the case, I'm sure the casino isn't in a good reputation.

I think there is account abuse at the casino. so players can get more from the faucet and a bigger percentage get a bonus. That's what caused the account to be banned from the casino.
casinos that make faucets or bonus events, of course, have prepared a system to check how there may be fraudulent actions from players.

agree with you, if the casino owner has an option about faucets, there is a minimum of a day that you get or a maximum of faucets that you get per account. this can reduce the cheating of players who get faucets with multiple accounts. indeed faucets are good for promotion or to attract players, on the other hand there must be a change in the rules of course. the hunters will continue to flow and less serious problems occur, resulting in reputation

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

The problem is that in almost all ToSs it is either directly written that promotions cannot be abused (plus this is always mentioned in the description of the promotion) or there is a clause that says that "in case of any disputable situation, the casino has the decisive word and it is final."
But in general, this is an interesting theoretical question, because if, for example, in some game a player reveals the ability to beat the casino, then this is the responsibility of the casino and such excuses do not work here. However, it is obvious that this can only be proved in court, since no casino admits its wrongfulness/responsibility in case of loss of money.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 22, 2022, 12:05:09 PM

It would be better if you don't have many accounts, even if your goal is just to have fun, because as it is written in the rules of every casino that a person can only have one account. But many people abuse it because they want to get more bonuses and faucets and don't think if the casino finds out, it can block all of their accounts. And maybe that's why KYC began to be implemented so that each account can only use 1 identity. But of course, there will be ways for them, especially those who often exploit the abuse of bonuses and faucets, to get more.

That is really a problem if someone has multiple accounts, we all know that it is prohibited because owners knew that soon those promos, giveaways and other things can be spammed by someone who has a multiple accounts, it would be unfair to everyone if they will abuse faucets and also the casino has the right to hold their account if they caught something wrong.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on October 22, 2022, 12:07:02 AM

Quote from: lionheart78 on October 21, 2022, 04:59:08 PM

Those who are banned due to the reason of faucets and bonus farming are often proven to have multiple accounts. Since the account was found to be exploiting faucets and bonuses, I believe it is right to ban those accounts. But if ever the account isn't multi-accounting then I think it is unfair to ban the account for that reason. Since it is a casino offering and the account is just simply taking what is offered and is not exploiting it through multi-account banning the account is unethical. The casino can just give wagering requirements if they don't want their bonuses to be claimed easily.

That's the problem of gambling in an online casino even though you didn't have multiple accounts and yet you are banned because of having multiple accounts when you only have one account to start with. This is the disadvantage of being online where people can create many accounts to be able to avail with eh bonuses and faucet. I am sure there are ways to not make it look like abusing bonuses and faucet by creating account using different network and devices per account and also different for each of the account (that also includes time created) if there's no KYC needed to create an account and also when you gamble.

It would be better if you don't have many accounts, even if your goal is just to have fun, because as it is written in the rules of every casino that a person can only have one account. But many people abuse it because they want to get more bonuses and faucets and don't think if the casino finds out, it can block all of their accounts. And maybe that's why KYC began to be implemented so that each account can only use 1 identity. But of course, there will be ways for them, especially those who often exploit the abuse of bonuses and faucets, to get more.

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Some of the gambling casinos preventing this kind of abusing their faucet or bonus by having a cancel of withdrawals or holding their funds because they see this kind of thing as a suspicious matter and can be abused by another player too in that thing they make a KYC verification for the users so they cant create another account even though they can abuse the creating and the bonus still they cant withdraw because the management ask again for the KYC verification and detecting a two owner of an account can be lock or hold their funds.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on October 21, 2022, 04:59:08 PM

Those who are banned due to the reason of faucets and bonus farming are often proven to have multiple accounts. Since the account was found to be exploiting faucets and bonuses, I believe it is right to ban those accounts. But if ever the account isn't multi-accounting then I think it is unfair to ban the account for that reason. Since it is a casino offering and the account is just simply taking what is offered and is not exploiting it through multi-account banning the account is unethical. The casino can just give wagering requirements if they don't want their bonuses to be claimed easily.

That's the problem of gambling in an online casino even though you didn't have multiple accounts and yet you are banned because of having multiple accounts when you only have one account to start with. This is the disadvantage of being online where people can create many accounts to be able to avail with eh bonuses and faucet. I am sure there are ways to not make it look like abusing bonuses and faucet by creating account using different network and devices per account and also different for each of the account (that also includes time created) if there's no KYC needed to create an account and also when you gamble.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

Its unethical that they would really be blocking users account just because they had won big amount using up those bonuses but it is really that depending on how they do set up terms and the code
which should really be fair and square.There are people who are really just lucky when it comes to play and as long the odds and chance are slim but we know that there's always a possibility.
A fair and reputable site wont really be risking out their reputation just because they had just blocked into those bonus or faucet earners.They should be fair when it comes to that.
They given out those faucet then everything includes winning amounts should really be released without questions asked.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on October 21, 2022, 05:27:48 PM

The above is how it should really be, but reality said No.
The first question should be, does the casino believe there are users smarter than them?, I think they don't, and this is the reason why at the sight of an unsual or uncommon kind of winning, they readily get suspicious.

Concerning faucet and bonus, I think that their way or mechanism they put in place to make new users test out the casino, atleast until the new user settles in and start depositing and gambling on the casino, but when they see an old user using this feature, it appears to them the user is abusing the system, and this is why they sometimes block accounts that are found of abusing the faucet and bonus system.

We will need a more specific example to know who is right, because it is obvious casinos are not going to like their customers to abuse the bonuses they give and if this is specified on their terms of service and people accepted those terms when they registered then the casino is on the right regardless of how clever they are in getting those bonuses.

But if this is not specified as something which is punishable by them then they need to pay the player as it was not his fault they overlooked a possibility in which their own rules could be used against them.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 20, 2022, 02:15:45 PM

I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casino is guilty of scamming its players if that is the case, you never lock the accounts of your users because of the rule you laid out unless he is guilty of multi-accounting and following your rules but if they are claiming faucets based on the rules you laid out then the casino will have a bad reputation of creating a trap for their players

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The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

They should have tested and checked all the projected faucet rewards their players can claim the only way their players can abuse the faucet and bonus is through multi accounts but if they don't have other accounts and play by the rule you laid out then the casinos are at fault here, better mention these casinos so we can look.

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