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legendary
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October 25, 2022, 05:44:45 PM
100 claims hourly for sure will be consider an abuse under any site, i don't like the fact that they doesn't set the limits on the TOS, they should mention those limits somewhere, and the fact that you had to make a deposit to be able to withdraw was not cool at all, but a lot of casinos works that way nowadays, some of them offers free money and then ask for a depo, and for me that doesn't feel like free at all.
They should set a limit in the first place the user will think it's ok to claim continuously because there is no rule or notification laid out by the casino on the limit of claim, the players who are serious in playing in a particular casino will check all terms and rules and will abide by it

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The mistake of that casino was the time between each claim, if they set the time to 1 claim each hour, that would keep the people on the site and avoid the abuse.
That's the right thing to do all the other faucets I used to claim and actively claim have timers on them like on Betfury where you have to wait 5 minutes to ten minutes for the next claim faucet and bonuses are subject to abuse, casinos should laid out a system where the users cannot go overboard or abuse it, some gamblers are greedy and forget the rules when the casino is not limiting each claim.
hero member
Activity: 1008
Merit: 960
October 25, 2022, 05:35:53 PM
~snip~
If there are people who do able to make those abuse or exploits then it do pertain means that there's some lapses into their security which there's no other to be blamed but themselves.

When you do run off some bonuses or faucet amounts then it would really be just common sense that you would really be that be assuring that there would be no people would able
to bypass security system or making things to look right or on systematic way.

It might be possible for example to create multiple accounts, and similar things, which most users won't be doing.

They might be able to stop that, but probably that will also come with a more difficult usage for normal users, so maybe they don't want that tradeoff.

Things are more complicated than what it looks like from the outside.
legendary
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October 25, 2022, 05:21:22 PM
In my opinion, the requirements for bonuses at some online casinos are so not obvious and confusing that it allows gambling platforms to interpret them at their discretion and users may suffer due to unreasonable blocking. And in another case, if a player has found a way to benefit from a bug he discovered in the faucet or bonuses, then he should report it to the casino support.

OP is actually referring to the person getting extra bonuses as "smart" so it seems to imply that they're gaming the system, not just using the faucet, but abusing it.

If people simply use the faucets, then they shouldn't have a problem. Otherwise casinos would be blocking most of their customers, and that makes no sense.
If there are people who do able to make those abuse or exploits then it do pertain means that there's some lapses into their security which there's no other to be blamed but themselves.

When you do run off some bonuses or faucet amounts then it would really be just common sense that you would really be that be assuring that there would be no people would able
to bypass security system or making things to look right or on systematic way.
hero member
Activity: 1008
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October 25, 2022, 05:14:43 PM
In my opinion, the requirements for bonuses at some online casinos are so not obvious and confusing that it allows gambling platforms to interpret them at their discretion and users may suffer due to unreasonable blocking. And in another case, if a player has found a way to benefit from a bug he discovered in the faucet or bonuses, then he should report it to the casino support.

OP is actually referring to the person getting extra bonuses as "smart" so it seems to imply that they're gaming the system, not just using the faucet, but abusing it.

If people simply use the faucets, then they shouldn't have a problem. Otherwise casinos would be blocking most of their customers, and that makes no sense.
legendary
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October 25, 2022, 01:19:57 PM
In my opinion, the requirements for bonuses at some online casinos are so not obvious and confusing that it allows gambling platforms to interpret them at their discretion and users may suffer due to unreasonable blocking. And in another case, if a player has found a way to benefit from a bug he discovered in the faucet or bonuses, then he should report it to the casino support.
legendary
Activity: 3346
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October 25, 2022, 09:48:25 AM
#99
I remember one case - we have (or better say had) BetJa casino here. I dont remember conditions well right now, but users could claim 100 hourly; after 3 claims, to be able to claim more, user had to make a bet with an odd no lower than 1.4. Calculations are simple, claim 300, lose 100 (or win) and claim next 300. It wasnt states in rules how much you can claim from that faucet. Seems to be unlimted and free money. I did not succeed much, because there was a hidden and unknown rules, that after a number of claims, I got "you have claimed enough this week" message from casino.

What do you think, did I acted as an abuser, because I was technically stopped from getting free money? Was it correct for casino to stop me in that way, because to withdraw those "free sat", I had to make a deposit (and probably wager, dont remember that right now) ?

100 claims hourly for sure will be consider an abuse under any site, i don't like the fact that they doesn't set the limits on the TOS, they should mention those limits somewhere, and the fact that you had to make a deposit to be able to withdraw was not cool at all, but a lot of casinos works that way nowadays, some of them offers free money and then ask for a depo, and for me that doesn't feel like free at all.

The mistake of that casino was the time between each claim, if they set the time to 1 claim each hour, that would keep the people on the site and avoid the abuse.
hero member
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October 25, 2022, 06:17:21 AM
#98

It would be better if you don't have many accounts, even if your goal is just to have fun, because as it is written in the rules of every casino that a person can only have one account. But many people abuse it because they want to get more bonuses and faucets and don't think if the casino finds out, it can block all of their accounts. And maybe that's why KYC began to be implemented so that each account can only use 1 identity. But of course, there will be ways for them, especially those who often exploit the abuse of bonuses and faucets, to get more.
I definitely agree with you that it is better to have one account instead of having many accounts even though I never tried having many accounts in a single casino. I don't know the other reason why they wanted to abuse it but I do know that they are being greedy which is very obvious. Well, they can only use one identity for only one account as you have said and definitely cannot use the same identity for the other accounts in the same casino which it will be banned or blocked.
The only thing I think about is that if they create more than one account, they want to use the affiliate bonus that is in the casino so they can get more rewards or prizes. And when casinos ask for KYC on some of their accounts, they can't do it because each account can only use one identity. Well, they could have borrowed someone else's identity and maybe that's what they used to verify their other accounts.

I remember one case - we have (or better say had) BetJa casino here. I dont remember conditions well right now, but users could claim 100 hourly; after 3 claims, to be able to claim more, user had to make a bet with an odd no lower than 1.4. Calculations are simple, claim 300, lose 100 (or win) and claim next 300. It wasnt states in rules how much you can claim from that faucet. Seems to be unlimted and free money. I did not succeed much, because there was a hidden and unknown rules, that after a number of claims, I got "you have claimed enough this week" message from casino.

What do you think, did I acted as an abuser, because I was technically stopped from getting free money? Was it correct for casino to stop me in that way, because to withdraw those "free sat", I had to make a deposit (and probably wager, dont remember that right now) ?
Yes, I remember that casino and it looks like it is still running today, although I don't know how it is now. I guess you are not cheating because you get that free money every hour and use it to bet. And although you can get extra free money from the faucet, it seems the casino has a way of stopping users from breaking the rules by limiting the number of "free sats" each member can get each week. And if they have almost reached the limit or have reached the limit, there will be a message like you said. I guess that's what casinos can do to limit cheating in using faucets and before we can withdraw the free money, we have to deposit some money and use it to bet.
legendary
Activity: 2478
Merit: 1492
October 25, 2022, 06:04:08 AM
#97
I remember one case - we have (or better say had) BetJa casino here. I dont remember conditions well right now, but users could claim 100 hourly; after 3 claims, to be able to claim more, user had to make a bet with an odd no lower than 1.4. Calculations are simple, claim 300, lose 100 (or win) and claim next 300. It wasnt states in rules how much you can claim from that faucet. Seems to be unlimted and free money. I did not succeed much, because there was a hidden and unknown rules, that after a number of claims, I got "you have claimed enough this week" message from casino.

What do you think, did I acted as an abuser, because I was technically stopped from getting free money? Was it correct for casino to stop me in that way, because to withdraw those "free sat", I had to make a deposit (and probably wager, dont remember that right now) ?
hero member
Activity: 2660
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October 25, 2022, 05:18:57 AM
#96

It would be better if you don't have many accounts, even if your goal is just to have fun, because as it is written in the rules of every casino that a person can only have one account. But many people abuse it because they want to get more bonuses and faucets and don't think if the casino finds out, it can block all of their accounts. And maybe that's why KYC began to be implemented so that each account can only use 1 identity. But of course, there will be ways for them, especially those who often exploit the abuse of bonuses and faucets, to get more.
I definitely agree with you that it is better to have one account instead of having many accounts even though I never tried having many accounts in a single casino. I don't know the other reason why they wanted to abuse it but I do know that they are being greedy which is very obvious. Well, they can only use one identity for only one account as you have said and definitely cannot use the same identity for the other accounts in the same casino which it will be banned or blocked.

Are you sure that you do not know the reason of abuse while it is clear and well known that the only purpose of abuse is to take benefits of earning money for free or earning money without any risk of losing money. Faucet abuse/farming was really common thing in the past when most casino with faucet became victim of the abusers. This is also the reason why thesedays not many casino provide faucet and many casinos removed their faucet.

Yeah, that is the main reason, there are individual or group of persons that are going to take advantage and abuse every casino they can find offline and online. Casinos are a target because obviously, there are a lot of money involved here. So this individuals wanted to strike gold by taking advantage of every faucets that they can find specially in the early days of crypto based gambling casinos. But throughout the years, casino's learn how to fight back and protect themselves against this abusers.
hero member
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October 25, 2022, 05:05:18 AM
#95
Casinos should set the clear boundaries. There are definitely casino features that could indeed be abused. If they do not set clear parameters and rules as far as their features and bonuses are concerned, things are rather subjective. It is going to be unfair. But I am only referring to player actions that are not violations as per their terms and conditions. But those clear violations or abuse should not be tolerated like account farming to abuse bonuses.
I think the casinos have made clear rules about what is and what is not so that if a gambler tries to break the rules, the casino can penalize them.
And in awarding faucets or bonuses to their members, the casino hopes each member can use them fairly and not try to earn more by cheating.
But as you say, there are casino features that can be inadvertently abused and some members know about it and try to use it to their advantage.
And before that happens, maybe the casino needs to make sure that there are no vulnerabilities on their site and always do regular checks.
hero member
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October 25, 2022, 03:28:48 AM
#94
Are you sure that you do not know the reason of abuse while it is clear and well known that the only purpose of abuse is to take benefits of earning money for free or earning money without any risk of losing money. Faucet abuse/farming was really common thing in the past when most casino with faucet became victim of the abusers. This is also the reason why thesedays not many casino provide faucet and many casinos removed their faucet.
Of course I know that but what I mean is there could be another reason other than that. I know that those people who abuse faucets and bonus wanted to earn free money without having to work before you got paid where ij bonuses and faucets is you can earn for free which is why I said being greedy. There could be another reason for doing that which it might be doing the same thing but to make the casino have a bad reputation that's why I said it not because I don't know the reason. My bad for not making it clear what I really meant in that last post. Well, I do said that "I don't know the other reason why they wanted to abuse it".
legendary
Activity: 3066
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October 25, 2022, 12:04:29 AM
#93

It would be better if you don't have many accounts, even if your goal is just to have fun, because as it is written in the rules of every casino that a person can only have one account. But many people abuse it because they want to get more bonuses and faucets and don't think if the casino finds out, it can block all of their accounts. And maybe that's why KYC began to be implemented so that each account can only use 1 identity. But of course, there will be ways for them, especially those who often exploit the abuse of bonuses and faucets, to get more.
I definitely agree with you that it is better to have one account instead of having many accounts even though I never tried having many accounts in a single casino. I don't know the other reason why they wanted to abuse it but I do know that they are being greedy which is very obvious. Well, they can only use one identity for only one account as you have said and definitely cannot use the same identity for the other accounts in the same casino which it will be banned or blocked.

Are you sure that you do not know the reason of abuse while it is clear and well known that the only purpose of abuse is to take benefits of earning money for free or earning money without any risk of losing money. Faucet abuse/farming was really common thing in the past when most casino with faucet became victim of the abusers. This is also the reason why thesedays not many casino provide faucet and many casinos removed their faucet.
hero member
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October 24, 2022, 09:16:00 PM
#92

It would be better if you don't have many accounts, even if your goal is just to have fun, because as it is written in the rules of every casino that a person can only have one account. But many people abuse it because they want to get more bonuses and faucets and don't think if the casino finds out, it can block all of their accounts. And maybe that's why KYC began to be implemented so that each account can only use 1 identity. But of course, there will be ways for them, especially those who often exploit the abuse of bonuses and faucets, to get more.
I definitely agree with you that it is better to have one account instead of having many accounts even though I never tried having many accounts in a single casino. I don't know the other reason why they wanted to abuse it but I do know that they are being greedy which is very obvious. Well, they can only use one identity for only one account as you have said and definitely cannot use the same identity for the other accounts in the same casino which it will be banned or blocked.
sr. member
Activity: 2380
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October 24, 2022, 08:58:11 PM
#91
Casinos should set the clear boundaries. There are definitely casino features that could indeed be abused. If they do not set clear parameters and rules as far as their features and bonuses are concerned, things are rather subjective. It is going to be unfair. But I am only referring to player actions that are not violations as per their terms and conditions. But those clear violations or abuse should not be tolerated like account farming to abuse bonuses.
legendary
Activity: 2436
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October 24, 2022, 06:59:20 PM
#90
In the first place, faucets should not be meant to be abused. Even if users will find a way to take more over the usual profits, it's not fair.

We can't just say that the system allows it and it's not the user's fault but it will be monitored and the activity of that account will trigger the alarm.

Locking accounts doesn't mean that they are already banned. It's just that investigation will take place to check these accounts.
hero member
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October 24, 2022, 06:57:17 PM
#89
The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

If that way leads to abuse then it's just that the casinos will lock those involved accounts.

Everyone should just follow what is written on the faucet or bonus terms. If there's a discovered unusual method that can take advantage of getting more profits or bonuses, these users already violated the site terms.

Generally, that should be the case.
Whether they would really be caught or not then it is really part of their error if there's someone do able to make abuse of these bonuses or faucet.Any shady actions or behavior will always be that violating

on site terms and conditions which they do have the rights on blocking or banning out those involved users.We know that there's no such thing about perfect security or perfect system which

there might be some exploits or lapses which other players will really be taking abuse.So it does vary on how sooner or later they would really be able to be caught.
Faucet amounts are just for the sake of testing out the site and not for profit farming.
legendary
Activity: 2940
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October 24, 2022, 06:46:42 PM
#88
The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

If that way leads to abuse then it's just that the casinos will lock those involved accounts.

Everyone should just follow what is written on the faucet or bonus terms. If there's a discovered unusual method that can take advantage of getting more profits or bonuses, these users already violated the site terms.

Generally, that should be the case.
sr. member
Activity: 1372
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October 24, 2022, 06:20:56 PM
#87
So, what do you think about this?

I can only arrive to a conclusion that those accounts that has been locked due to faucet and bonus farming is engage in Multi accounting.  There is a casino rule that exploiting faucet and bonus is subject to account ban. And also most casino does not allow multi-accounting.  Even some casino implement in an house hold IP, only 1 account is allowed.
hero member
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October 24, 2022, 05:42:37 PM
#86
I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?

I'm sure it's part of the rules to not over-claim faucets, etc. It's the same in many services. They basically provide you with something nice, and they expect so-called "fair use" which is usually indicated in the terms and conditions.

Casinos and other services do need to do extreme things like blocking these users, of course. The alternative would be to not provide the nice thing, or make it extremely annoying to use for 99% of the rest of the users.

They're just ruining it for everyone for personal benefit. Not sure if that's what I would call smart, because the service stops even for them.
hero member
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October 24, 2022, 06:25:09 AM
#85
I have seen more than 2 casinos locking user accounts for this action, and is it really the users fault?

If the users claims tons of faucets or bonus is because the casino engine allows it, and if the casino is losing money with this action they should fix their code to avoid this problem and not steal users money.

The casinos sets the rules of the game, and if a user is smarter enough to find a way to make profit with those rules then they shouldn't block users withdrawals.

So, what do you think about this?
I think the online casino needs to improve, or even learn from other online casino sites, which allow users to get a free faucet on condition that the balance in the wallet is empty, so that is fair enough for the users. And if the thing you mention happens to you, you should make a post or make a reply to their thread (if their manager is on the forum), if it's not on this forum, then you should make a post or thread to be an experience lesson for many people.
And maybe that's why it's very rare nowadays for casinos to provide free faucets because they already know that people can use it to get capital to gamble. But sometimes casinos that provide free faucets can give them to their members; if they can win, they still have to deposit some money to withdraw the winning money. But if the free faucet is provided to members with empty wallets, user does not have to abuse it
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