Topic: FIFA Women’s World Cup 2023 (Read 5258 times)

Since the Women's World Cup has already ended, and the subject is no longer directly related to the topic's theme, it is time to close the topic.

Thank you all for participating in the debate on yet another sporting event. 

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Not defending, probably I am not in 100% in information about that case, but what I have seen are people celebrating victory. Where one of them gave a hug and than kissed a person of other sex, while that person did not show obvious signs of refusing that kiss. Where in those few seconds of action you have noticed someone forcing other for a kiss? Where is position of power? The power is the fact that he is a coach, and his wards must accept everything he does? Or because he is a man? Where is "picking someone from the crowd and forcing"? It sounds like they are two unfamiliar persons. Wasnt the team supposed to be like a family to achieve greater results? Or they must be completely strangers to everyone?

From my view, coach was so happy, so he made that kiss spontaneously. Nothing much from it. Except that got on cameras. If this was a kiss with a tongue, that would be a completely different story.

P.S. If she really thinks that it was a sexual harassment, then she has got a man. Tell him about it and let he punch that Luis into face. Instead, she went online and created drama.
P.P.S. In Spain people kiss each other two times when they greet each other, that is their tradition. They are used to kissing. And all of a sudden that lip kiss completely crossed the line and become harassment ?

Not all of them because there are also many female athletes who have received honor until the end of their careers as sports athletes and indeed there have been several incidents of drama and scandals that don't make sense and even become opportunities for harassment but it back to the coach himself whether he can work professionally or not no.
After all every female athlete has special protection against such cases and it is not easy for anyone to do whatever they want including carrying out humiliating acts of harassment.
If you talk about the negative side there are a lot of things like what you have mentioned but it's better to always have a positive perspective and think everything is really pure for the sake of achieving a good career and achievements.

This post is really shameful.

You are defending someone in position of power, who misused his authority to commit sexual abuse. For your kind information, if you want to celebrate, there are ways to do that. You can't pick someone from the crowd and then force yourself on them. This is exactly what Luis Rubiales did with Jenni Hermoso. If you are defending such a person, then shame on you. And for your kind information, Hermoso has filed a police complaint against Rubiales, for forcibly kissing her without her consent. Details can be found here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/06/jenni-hermoso-files-criminal-complaint-against-luis-rubiales-over-kiss

You all have to know that we women are emotionally driven creatures . Unlike men we do not do everything with logic. Women are very emotional at times and they generally do everything based on how they feel, and maybe that is a big problem, i don't know.

Actually everyone should understand that when they are representing a big country or a big club, they cannot just go around, kissing anyone that they want. There will always be consequences for that action. I don’t even think that she actually thought about it. She just felt like kissing someone and she did.

How else? I mean you think kissing some stranger is the only way to celebrate? I am not saying that that was the only way to  celebrate, you can just do what EVERYONE IN HISTORY has ever done. I have been watching football for 20+ years now, and I have seen people celebrate other guys for 20+ years, and NOBODY has ever kissed one of the guys. So when suddenly it's woman, it's okay to kiss them?

Let's cut the BS, we have seen something that was drastically wrong, a terrible move, something to be ashamed by, and he should not just defend it, you should not, nobody should not. That was a mistake period, it's over, it's done. We are talking about something that should end a whole career, that guy harassed a woman simple as that, he kissed without consent. Could I kiss your mother or sister without consent, forcefully, when they least expect it, would that be ok? This is disgusting.

How else would you suggest them to celebrate? By nodding head? Or a smile? That was an emotional act. In fact, why dont that girl did not pushed him away when he hugged her? And she was smiling and happy when she was leaning that podium. But later turned out she was a victim of sexism. Wtf? Another double standards? Why then several nations, when they meet people they know or barely know, kiss each other into cheeks as an act of welcome? Sexism again? If my family is invited into kids birthday and I give a birthday girl a cheek kiss together with a present, then I am a pedo?

Such incidents are frequently occurring in developed nations such as United States and Spain, even with so much supervision and awareness. So you can imagine the frequency of such abuse in third world nations, where there is a climate of impunity and victim shaming. Slowly, the world is becoming a better place for the women athletes, but the pace is too slow. Unfortunately, I can't see any improvement regarding this in third world nations such as India, where coaches enjoy complete immunity and such incidents continue to be reported.  

If it's true what you say, then it's terrible. I hope that in the future there will be fewer such cases in India. Thus, negative selection partially occurs. Those who are willing to do anything to be on the team do it and get a place. In the future, such players will turn into coaches who will have a psychological trauma and everything will continue again. This is the problem that I would like to solve, but it is problematic to do so.

Yes, indeed things are like that, because when it comes to doing things that are more relevant in football they are clouded with things like that which for me don't make any kind of sense, of course, if the kiss had been stolen or something like that, I think It wouldn't have been that serious either, what I'm saying is that at least it's a woman and a man, that's the main thing, however, in the world they accept things that are very low in moral values and this is a kiss between a man and a woman. They are taking out a lot of things, I have seen some acts even by players of the Spanish team as if Rubiales had committed a crime, when the girl who was kissed was all excited because Rubiales kissed her, we don't know what personal life is like of each person, neither Rubiales nor hers, in addition the feminist community was exulted to see this, but if it had been a kiss between a woman-woman, or a man-man, things would have been applauded when in truth that was for me it is not right, in my personal opinion that is not right, a boy , a girl who sees a kiss between a man and a woman is something normal, so you have to see that those who also see, have an audience where children are also spectators, so this obviously tarnishes women's soccer.

Now, as I said before , I was surprised that these girls had that claw to play, I really didn't think they were going to go that far, they did show good technique to play, but I didn't know that they were going to overtake many teams that They were so good.

Women's football has Been growing a lot in a short time, in fact they have a coach who improves every day , things when it comes to the vision of football already has a lot of support, and that is something that was rarely seen before, I don't know if the management One of the things to be able to establish a good system of games and women's Sports has been booming and growing with great intensity, this is what they are Basically setting as their goal to raise the level of Women's sports , it is a very good Thing.

Well I don't understand why someone would kiss another one other than his family and friends in front of the whole world..whether it was consensual or not.
Imagine the coach of the nation winning the World Cup was sacked in an indirect relation due to that drama, the guy was just the friend of the president.
The victory was kinda ruined and there is still ambiguity after several days..

Lol, again women turned everything (sport in our case) into scandal and drama. We should create talk shows about that. Again everything is converted into sexual abuse. People must touch, look, talk to them in a special way, while they all scream about equality. All of them, instead of creating this drama, should better show better results on the field.

Here in India, these sort of incidents are very frequent. 99.99% of the times, it never comes out in the open. Only in 0.01% of the cases, someone muster enough courage to make a formal complaint (even then there is no guarantee that the perpetrator would be punished). There is a lot of scrutiny at club level and international level. But for selection to university level or district level, the power lies with the coach. If the coach is perverted, then it is not that rare for him to ask for sexual favors in returns for selection. And getting selected to the team sometimes make a huge difference for the players. They may get government jobs if they regularly play at state or district level. So in many cases, the athlete may not be in a position to reject the advances by coaches.

The matter of sexual abuse among female athletes has been talked about for a very long time but we are yet to come up with the best approach to stop it. Many believes that the best thing to do when it comes to the women's football is to make it an all women affair by passing a law that only gives room to women to participate in every section of the game including coaching and medical staffs, officials and even teams management which I think isn't good because it causes gender discrimination.
FIFA should come up with a more stern and extremely harshpunishment to anyone found guilty of any form of sexual abuse. That will serve as a deterrent to other people who wants to abuse women

This World Cup is bullshit, women aren't physically as strong as men and they won't be able to play football as well as men, it's simple, they don't have as much testosterone as men, they can't recover as fast as men, they can't increase their muscle endurance and strength as well as men. So, if women won't be able to dribble as well as top male football players and won't be able to score as great goals as them, then who is going to watch their football competition? No one! If no one watches it, then those clubs that support women won't be able to get income, so, won't be able to continue this business. It's just an attempt that's going to fail soon.

Isn't that a pure discrimination? Why should women's world cup be managed by 100% women? Okay, let's agree, it should be managed by 100% women, just wonder, how are they going to collect money for world cup? Via onlyfans donations? What about more women in bricklaying, in warehouses, in physically demanding jobs? I vote for 100% women workforce in these jobs, then it will be fair!
Also, how can men control their testosterone? We have no control on our testicles, they release it as they wish in the quantity they with and when there is a huge popularity of fitness and aesthetics, more and more men are injecting themselves with super high testosterone doses, it's really getting hard to control. Let's castrate them and maybe it will satisfy women, do you agree with this idea?

For example, the coach of a professional athlete has great authority, the athlete trusts him very much, they spend a lot of time in everyday training. At some point, the coach may have something click in his head and he may try to harass the athlete in private. I think this happens more often than we think. It's just that today people are not afraid to admit to society that similar cases have happened to them.
Particular attention should be paid when you send girls to sports, and there the coach is a man.

True, but I reckon those things should be in place anyway, independent of the gender of the person.

Basically, it should be standard to have a normal workplace, independent of who you are.

But as I said, cultural differences, and small personal differences make legislating this basically impossible.

Homosexuals are around 1% to 2% of the total population, which means that any chance of sexual abuse from people of same gender will be 50x-100x lower than that from the opposite gender. Once again, I am not asking for a complete ban on coaching by people from the opposite gender. I am just asking for more surveillance and monitoring. Because this has become a regular occurrence nowadays. Either it is due to abuse becoming more frequent, or due to the fact that more and more athletes are coming forward to report the unfortunate incidents that they have to face. 

But human are complex creatures.

You mentioned opposite gender in a position of power. What if the person in power is a lesbian or gay?, does that affect what you're proposing?

What if they are in a relatively small position of power?, is that OK?, at what point the power is a concern?

Same with the gender dynamics, a small flirt here and there is OK?, at what point do you put the line. What about the other way around, if the person in power doesn't care at all about them and don't even want to talk to them, etc.

You can't make laws about these things really.

Well.. I am not arguing for gender segregation. But when someone from an opposite gender is put in a position of power, there should be at least some sort of monitoring to make sure that no untoward incidents take place. In case of Larry Nassar, the abuse went on for more than a decade before someone mustered enough courage to make the complaint against him. By then, hundreds (if not thousands) of female athletes underwent sexual abuse. The case of Nassar is just a tip of the iceberg. There are 10x or 20x more cases, that are never revealed.