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September 03, 2023, 08:15:24 AM
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I think this case is nonsense, at least it was a man and a woman, or I see nothing wrong there, what happens is that now there is the generation of crystal that things like that offend them, also, by God what happened was a kiss, nothing more, now, almost all the people who are "feminists" well something offended them, because yes, of course, it was seen something like that he is too old for her, but come on, we are in a world where they see it as normal wrong, then it is not the idea either.

With respect to the things that they have said with the Spanish and the girl, it is somewhat exaggerated, first they are offended, then they receive support from many women in the world, then a video comes out where the girl they kissed enjoys herself and sharing a lot with her colleagues, the video is out there, and well, it is something that is generated and was generated due to emotion, also something must be rescued here, the Spaniard asked her for a kiss, he didn't even steal it, then this Kind of things are the ones that could help that a lot.

In general terms, we as thinking people, that one thing is football, another thing is what they do with their lives, and the type of sexuality they have, or however they demonstrate it to each other, now the football that Spain demonstrated was something great , that is something that even surprised me because the truth is that I did not believe that Spain would win, in fact it was something that many did not expect, but the players did very well, they are the world champions, they gave a great football demonstration, and that is what we call to do the best for a country, representing Spain like goddesses.

As for the other problems to come and when they asked the Spaniard to resign, I thought it was very excellent that he himself said that he was not going to resign, that it was something that he did not have to do, and it seemed childish on the part of a player like Iniesta stated that football was being damaged by him, honestly Iniesta shouldn't get involved in problems like this, because he looks bad, honestly it's because he can be a team coach or something because as a politician he has no real life.

It really is a weird thing that the story of this kiss has gotten more traction that Spain winning the womens world cup.

It's a bit insane to be honest, who cares about that kiss, the girl went along, said there was nothing wrong, and that's it.

Why are there so many people creating this whole thing, the people involved didn't see anything wrong, so people should just continue with their lives, nothing happened.
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September 02, 2023, 09:41:13 PM
As for the other problems to come and when they asked the Spaniard to resign, I thought it was very excellent that he himself said that he was not going to resign, that it was something that he did not have to do, and it seemed childish on the part of a player like Iniesta stated that football was being damaged by him, honestly Iniesta shouldn't get involved in problems like this, because he looks bad, honestly it's because he can be a team coach or something because as a politician he has no real life.

According to the news he's refused to resign for his actions and is and a committee that's currently in charge of the Royal Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) has joined the list of sporting bodies and government ministers and are all calling him to resign from his job, also he's been condemned for several actions he carried out thst involves, hugging, kissing some other players and  carrying another on his shoulder during the celebration.
 Rubiales said the kiss with the Spanish player Hermoso mutual and blame the false feminists for crying out  also it is said in the news that Hermoso refused his claims and said that she felt vulnerable and victims of an aggressive act, i don't pray for anyone to be in the situation Rubiales has got himself in, but if I were him I'll definitely resign and save myself more embarrassment because the person he kisseď claims she's a victim to an aggression which would attract more support to herself as a female and cause higher authorities to falsefully make him resign.
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September 02, 2023, 08:49:46 PM
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There is some justification to your response. Still I would say that precautionary measures need to be taken when men are coaching women's teams. If it was just "one bad apple" then there will never be such hue and cry. But that is not the case. These instances are occurring very frequently. Remember the scandal about the American gymnastics team? Team physician Larry Nassar was named by several women and action was taken after many years and by the hundreds of female athletes had undergone sexual abuse. These issues should not be swept under the carpet. 

There are also cases in which a female teacher has harassed her students. It doesn't matter if it is a man or a woman, they should be able to work in whatever they want.

I see no issues having a female teacher of a boys class, or a male coach of a female team.

I think this case is nonsense, at least it was a man and a woman, or I see nothing wrong there, what happens is that now there is the generation of crystal that things like that offend them, also, by God what happened was a kiss, nothing more, now, almost all the people who are "feminists" well something offended them, because yes, of course, it was seen something like that he is too old for her, but come on, we are in a world where they see it as normal wrong, then it is not the idea either.

With respect to the things that they have said with the Spanish and the girl, it is somewhat exaggerated, first they are offended, then they receive support from many women in the world, then a video comes out where the girl they kissed enjoys herself and sharing a lot with her colleagues, the video is out there, and well, it is something that is generated and was generated due to emotion, also something must be rescued here, the Spaniard asked her for a kiss, he didn't even steal it, then this Kind of things are the ones that could help that a lot.

In general terms, we as thinking people, that one thing is football, another thing is what they do with their lives, and the type of sexuality they have, or however they demonstrate it to each other, now the football that Spain demonstrated was something great , that is something that even surprised me because the truth is that I did not believe that Spain would win, in fact it was something that many did not expect, but the players did very well, they are the world champions, they gave a great football demonstration, and that is what we call to do the best for a country, representing Spain like goddesses.

As for the other problems to come and when they asked the Spaniard to resign, I thought it was very excellent that he himself said that he was not going to resign, that it was something that he did not have to do, and it seemed childish on the part of a player like Iniesta stated that football was being damaged by him, honestly Iniesta shouldn't get involved in problems like this, because he looks bad, honestly it's because he can be a team coach or something because as a politician he has no real life.
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August 29, 2023, 12:53:22 AM
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There is some justification to your response. Still I would say that precautionary measures need to be taken when men are coaching women's teams. If it was just "one bad apple" then there will never be such hue and cry. But that is not the case. These instances are occurring very frequently. Remember the scandal about the American gymnastics team? Team physician Larry Nassar was named by several women and action was taken after many years and by the hundreds of female athletes had undergone sexual abuse. These issues should not be swept under the carpet. 

There are also cases in which a female teacher has harassed her students. It doesn't matter if it is a man or a woman, they should be able to work in whatever they want.

I see no issues having a female teacher of a boys class, or a male coach of a female team.
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August 28, 2023, 10:46:27 PM
One bad apple doesn't mean that no men shoukd be involved in the women's sporting lane.  Because then you can have a case to say no women should be involved in men's games.  Inclusion shouldn't be taken lightly either way.  This was one person, it's not like every coach goes and harasses every women on every team. Don't punish the group for one individuals behavior.

There is some justification to your response. Still I would say that precautionary measures need to be taken when men are coaching women's teams. If it was just "one bad apple" then there will never be such hue and cry. But that is not the case. These instances are occurring very frequently. Remember the scandal about the American gymnastics team? Team physician Larry Nassar was named by several women and action was taken after many years and by the hundreds of female athletes had undergone sexual abuse. These issues should not be swept under the carpet. 
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August 27, 2023, 11:43:48 PM
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Women have already shown the world that they have more than satisfactory skills in all areas in which humans work. For this reason, I believe that women's sporting events like the world cup could be managed 100% by women.
It's disgusting to see that some men still can't control their testosterone... if they do that in front of cameras then imagine what they must be able to do with a woman when no one else is watching.
So the fewer men at these women's events, the better.

I understand that there could be a quality deficit in some sector, because good professionals are sometimes only found in a male or female person, but I believe that this would be a very small problem.

Well, of course women can work in whatever they want.

But, women and men have different interests (when looking at population level), and that gets reflected in the professions they choose freely.

I don't see the problem of having the individual to choose whatever they want to do with their lives, and if that ends up in some jobs having more men, or more women, so be it.
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August 27, 2023, 01:24:00 PM
The untold things that happened after Spain won the final match against England really spoiled the beauty of the game. The beauty of football should be maintained on the field. The President of the Spanish Football Federation who kissed the female star has caused a lot of criticism and many are commenting badly on it. I myself did not like this at all, many people may say that they may have made such a mistake in the moment of excitement, but we must have our own control over our excitement, anger, and emotions. First, the president has done such a bad thing, and the coach of Spain has been accused of sexually harassing Spanish women players in various ways. If we want to protect the beauty of football, we must get out of such bad thoughts, only then will the beauty of football be maintained

Women have already shown the world that they have more than satisfactory skills in all areas in which humans work. For this reason, I believe that women's sporting events like the world cup could be managed 100% by women.
It's disgusting to see that some men still can't control their testosterone... if they do that in front of cameras then imagine what they must be able to do with a woman when no one else is watching.
So the fewer men at these women's events, the better.

I understand that there could be a quality deficit in some sector, because good professionals are sometimes only found in a male or female person, but I believe that this would be a very small problem.

One bad apple doesn't mean that no men shoukd be involved in the women's sporting lane.  Because then you can have a case to say no women should be involved in men's games.  Inclusion shouldn't be taken lightly either way.  This was one person, it's not like every coach goes and harasses every women on every team. Don't punish the group for one individuals behavior.
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August 27, 2023, 01:18:18 PM
The untold things that happened after Spain won the final match against England really spoiled the beauty of the game. The beauty of football should be maintained on the field. The President of the Spanish Football Federation who kissed the female star has caused a lot of criticism and many are commenting badly on it. I myself did not like this at all, many people may say that they may have made such a mistake in the moment of excitement, but we must have our own control over our excitement, anger, and emotions. First, the president has done such a bad thing, and the coach of Spain has been accused of sexually harassing Spanish women players in various ways. If we want to protect the beauty of football, we must get out of such bad thoughts, only then will the beauty of football be maintained

Women have already shown the world that they have more than satisfactory skills in all areas in which humans work. For this reason, I believe that women's sporting events like the world cup could be managed 100% by women.
It's disgusting to see that some men still can't control their testosterone... if they do that in front of cameras then imagine what they must be able to do with a woman when no one else is watching.
So the fewer men at these women's events, the better.

I understand that there could be a quality deficit in some sector, because good professionals are sometimes only found in a male or female person, but I believe that this would be a very small problem.
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August 27, 2023, 12:37:25 PM
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The untold things that happened after Spain won the final match against England really spoiled the beauty of the game. The beauty of football should be maintained on the field. The President of the Spanish Football Federation who kissed the female star has caused a lot of criticism and many are commenting badly on it. I myself did not like this at all, many people may say that they may have made such a mistake in the moment of excitement, but we must have our own control over our excitement, anger, and emotions. First, the president has done such a bad thing, and the coach of Spain has been accused of sexually harassing Spanish women players in various ways. If we want to protect the beauty of football, we must get out of such bad thoughts, only then will the beauty of football be maintained
I've always believed that sports - and especially football, which is like the world's sport - should be an arena of respect and integrity.

There's absolutely no excuse for letting your "excitement" overshadow basic human decency. Like, come on. If I started running around the White House kissing everyone in sight because I was "excited," there’d be chaos. And the whole thing about the coach? Seriously, this ain't some TV drama. It's the beautiful game.

We should be talking about skills, teamwork, and that amazing goal - not the antics of some out-of-control officials. If football's gonna keep its magic, folks better step up and clean house. Only then can we truly say, "Goal!" and mean it in all the right ways.
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August 27, 2023, 11:06:41 AM
The untold things that happened after Spain won the final match against England really spoiled the beauty of the game. The beauty of football should be maintained on the field. The President of the Spanish Football Federation who kissed the female star has caused a lot of criticism and many are commenting badly on it. I myself did not like this at all, many people may say that they may have made such a mistake in the moment of excitement, but we must have our own control over our excitement, anger, and emotions. First, the president has done such a bad thing, and the coach of Spain has been accused of sexually harassing Spanish women players in various ways. If we want to protect the beauty of football, we must get out of such bad thoughts, only then will the beauty of football be maintained
I've been following this story. What i can say power can really lead to corruption. If he can't understand his mistake and the fact that he grabbed his crotch was just terrible and completely inappropriate, then he shouldn't have a place in football. His arrogant behavior shows that he might not respect boundaries, especially when it comes to women. It's truly unfortunate because the untold incidents have overshadowed their historic World Cup victory.
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August 27, 2023, 08:39:22 AM
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I have never seen women coaching men's football teams. So why should we have men as managers for the women's teams? This puts the safety of women players at risk. Here in India, a few years back the coach for the national field hockey team was suspended after he threatened the players. The coach (M K Kaushik) used to ask players to have physical relations with him, and those who didn't agreed to the demands were kicked out of the team. Finally one of the players (T S Ranjitha Devi) complained about it and there was some media coverage. But in the end, the media coverage waned and Kaushik was appointed in another plum post by the government. The player who complained had her career destroyed.

I don't think it's fair to assume that if a person is a man then the women in the team will be at risk.

This is getting way too silly.

We are all independent humans, capable of doing pretty much everything, women can also be violent, etc.

It makes no sense to ban a person from a job because they are a man or a woman. It's nonsense.
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August 27, 2023, 01:50:27 AM
It should not be like a leader giving appreciation to players who have made their country proud, if this incident were carried out in my country it would be fatal and could tarnish the good name of a leader, but every country has its own culture. And as a leader, you should think before you act or speak so that it doesn't become a big problem and is considered bad in the eyes of society.

I agree. Kissing someone in the lips can't be interpreted as giving appreciation for the good performance. IMO, he just misuses the opportunity for his own benefit. And I am quite surprised with the response from him. Luis Rubiales came out in the open and announced that he has no intention to resign. BTW, now there is another controversy that is coming up. A video recording form the final match has emerged, in which the Spanish coach (Jorge Vilda) is seen grabbing the breast of one of the female non-playing staff. Here are more details on this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/jorge-vilda-spain-grope-controversy-world-cup-b2397704.html


This coach from Spain (Jorde Vilda) seems to need to be investigated because it includes inappropriate behavior both intentional and unintentional towards his players, because if left unchecked it is likely to happen again. it is so inappropriate. It's ironic to see an incident like that, a coach should be able to adapt well and give appropriate appreciation to the players he coaches.

What is happening with the Spain women's team? First, we had a kissing scandal and now we are talking about their coach doing indecent things with their female players.

Also, no one was talking about these harassment issues within the Spain team but ever since they won the Women's Football World Cup title, these issues started popping up. I wonder if some external force is trying to focus on these things purposefully so as to bring a bad name to the Spanish women's football federation.
The untold things that happened after Spain won the final match against England really spoiled the beauty of the game. The beauty of football should be maintained on the field. The President of the Spanish Football Federation who kissed the female star has caused a lot of criticism and many are commenting badly on it. I myself did not like this at all, many people may say that they may have made such a mistake in the moment of excitement, but we must have our own control over our excitement, anger, and emotions. First, the president has done such a bad thing, and the coach of Spain has been accused of sexually harassing Spanish women players in various ways. If we want to protect the beauty of football, we must get out of such bad thoughts, only then will the beauty of football be maintained
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August 26, 2023, 11:47:43 PM
It should not be like a leader giving appreciation to players who have made their country proud, if this incident were carried out in my country it would be fatal and could tarnish the good name of a leader, but every country has its own culture. And as a leader, you should think before you act or speak so that it doesn't become a big problem and is considered bad in the eyes of society.

I agree. Kissing someone in the lips can't be interpreted as giving appreciation for the good performance. IMO, he just misuses the opportunity for his own benefit. And I am quite surprised with the response from him. Luis Rubiales came out in the open and announced that he has no intention to resign. BTW, now there is another controversy that is coming up. A video recording form the final match has emerged, in which the Spanish coach (Jorge Vilda) is seen grabbing the breast of one of the female non-playing staff. Here are more details on this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/jorge-vilda-spain-grope-controversy-world-cup-b2397704.html


This coach from Spain (Jorde Vilda) seems to need to be investigated because it includes inappropriate behavior both intentional and unintentional towards his players, because if left unchecked it is likely to happen again. it is so inappropriate. It's ironic to see an incident like that, a coach should be able to adapt well and give appropriate appreciation to the players he coaches.

What is happening with the Spain women's team? First, we had a kissing scandal and now we are talking about their coach doing indecent things with their female players.

Also, no one was talking about these harassment issues within the Spain team but ever since they won the Women's Football World Cup title, these issues started popping up. I wonder if some external force is trying to focus on these things purposefully so as to bring a bad name to the Spanish women's football federation.
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August 26, 2023, 09:59:14 PM
This coach from Spain (Jorde Vilda) seems to need to be investigated because it includes inappropriate behavior both intentional and unintentional towards his players, because if left unchecked it is likely to happen again. it is so inappropriate. It's ironic to see an incident like that, a coach should be able to adapt well and give appropriate appreciation to the players he coaches.

I have never seen women coaching men's football teams. So why should we have men as managers for the women's teams? This puts the safety of women players at risk. Here in India, a few years back the coach for the national field hockey team was suspended after he threatened the players. The coach (M K Kaushik) used to ask players to have physical relations with him, and those who didn't agreed to the demands were kicked out of the team. Finally one of the players (T S Ranjitha Devi) complained about it and there was some media coverage. But in the end, the media coverage waned and Kaushik was appointed in another plum post by the government. The player who complained had her career destroyed.
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August 26, 2023, 07:09:43 PM
It should not be like a leader giving appreciation to players who have made their country proud, if this incident were carried out in my country it would be fatal and could tarnish the good name of a leader, but every country has its own culture. And as a leader, you should think before you act or speak so that it doesn't become a big problem and is considered bad in the eyes of society.

I agree. Kissing someone in the lips can't be interpreted as giving appreciation for the good performance. IMO, he just misuses the opportunity for his own benefit. And I am quite surprised with the response from him. Luis Rubiales came out in the open and announced that he has no intention to resign. BTW, now there is another controversy that is coming up. A video recording form the final match has emerged, in which the Spanish coach (Jorge Vilda) is seen grabbing the breast of one of the female non-playing staff. Here are more details on this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/jorge-vilda-spain-grope-controversy-world-cup-b2397704.html


This coach from Spain (Jorde Vilda) seems to need to be investigated because it includes inappropriate behavior both intentional and unintentional towards his players, because if left unchecked it is likely to happen again. it is so inappropriate. It's ironic to see an incident like that, a coach should be able to adapt well and give appropriate appreciation to the players he coaches.
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August 26, 2023, 11:46:03 AM
Totally agree!
Even if they were best friends or lovers, that behavior was not appropriate, given the situation they were in.

Let's see what will happen. For now, the president of the Spanish federation has already informed that he will not resign.

He (Luis Rubiales) can say whatever he want. But the decision has been taken. The Spanish government has made it clear that they will be initiating legal proceedings against him and he will be asked to resign. And here is the big news:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66621772

Jenni Hermoso made it clear that the kiss was made without her permission or consent. A statement signed by all the 23 players from the world cup squad (including Hermoso) says that consent was not given. At the same time, FIFA has also initiated disciplinary action as per Article 13.
The latest news related to the World Cup Kiss Controversy is that Luis Rubiales is Suspended by FIFA disciplinary committee. This is the initial step taken from the authority for a period of 90 days from all activities. This could be extended and the suspension is effective as the Spanish Women's team have refused to play any other football game while Luis Rubiales continue to be the head of the football body.

Spain football chief Luis Rubiales suspended
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August 26, 2023, 09:19:25 AM
The Spanish president Luis Rabiales have defended himself against critics on social media saying he's wrong for kissing Jenni Hermoso on the lip, live on TV during Spain's Women's World Cup trophy celebrations, according to the news it is said that he's hit back with a defense and also trying to set things right and saying those taking the incident too seriously are idiots.
 Most of the viewers where furious and claimed that what he did was inappropriate to put his hand on the 33 years old attacker before kissing her on the lips and his response to Radio Marca was, "The kiss with Jenni? There are idiots everywhere. When two people have an insignificant show of affection, we cannot pay attention to idiocy. We are champions, and with that, I stay."
 Well I think a lot of viewers are not going to be pleased about that statem ent and there would be questions in the air over whether there's been a previous secret affair between both involved ìn the act, well left for me i think he got carried away by their victory but calling viewers idiots is not professional.
Luis Rabiales is not fit to be the president of a football association because he cannot control his emotions. He couldn't even control his lust for the player he kissed her passionately before the entire world. If it was in my country it would have caused a religious or even tribal argument. His tribesmen will have supported him and others will have used it to shame his tribe. While his religious sect would have been ridiculed by other religions.

Morally this behavior is bad and he does not even feel remorse for his inappropriate behavior rather he is been rude and arrogant. He has no option but to resign and face disciplinary procedures. The public is seeing it as abuse against women because Jenni Hermoso said she didn't consent to the kiss. Rabiales is in for a most turbulent period of his life because many feminist groups are willing to do anything to ensure he is persecuted for sexual abuse.
The fact that Luis Rabiales couldn't publicly control his emotions in a scene that was been viewed by people of almost all part the world I know is a big let down to his personality and also a dent to his moral behavior.
However, i don't think it is right for the public call for his resignation because there's no one who hasn't made mistakes in their life before and no matter how grave the mistake must have looked, it's very much pardonable if you ask me. He has publicly apologized for his actions and deserves to be forgiven and allow him continue with his job as the president of Spanish football federation
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August 26, 2023, 09:11:07 AM
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I agree. Kissing someone in the lips can't be interpreted as giving appreciation for the good performance. IMO, he just misuses the opportunity for his own benefit. And I am quite surprised with the response from him. Luis Rubiales came out in the open and announced that he has no intention to resign. BTW, now there is another controversy that is coming up. A video recording form the final match has emerged, in which the Spanish coach (Jorge Vilda) is seen grabbing the breast of one of the female non-playing staff. Here are more details on this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/jorge-vilda-spain-grope-controversy-world-cup-b2397704.html

I guess it depends on the culture and the two people involved really.

At the end of the day if he and she are OK with what happened, then nothing should be done really.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is. It's just a kiss while celebrating being the world champions.

Can't believe that the whole championship is being ignored and people are focusing on a one second kiss.

I don't really have an opinion one way or another but I do agree it's ashame that's all anyone is talking about now instead of the tourny victory for the team.  It's taken away something from those women that played theor hearts out.  I think if I was them that's what I'd be pissed about.
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August 26, 2023, 07:46:58 AM
The Spanish president Luis Rabiales have defended himself against critics on social media saying he's wrong for kissing Jenni Hermoso on the lip, live on TV during Spain's Women's World Cup trophy celebrations, according to the news it is said that he's hit back with a defense and also trying to set things right and saying those taking the incident too seriously are idiots.
 Most of the viewers where furious and claimed that what he did was inappropriate to put his hand on the 33 years old attacker before kissing her on the lips and his response to Radio Marca was, "The kiss with Jenni? There are idiots everywhere. When two people have an insignificant show of affection, we cannot pay attention to idiocy. We are champions, and with that, I stay."
 Well I think a lot of viewers are not going to be pleased about that statem ent and there would be questions in the air over whether there's been a previous secret affair between both involved ìn the act, well left for me i think he got carried away by their victory but calling viewers idiots is not professional.
Luis Rabiales is not fit to be the president of a football association because he cannot control his emotions. He couldn't even control his lust for the player he kissed her passionately before the entire world. If it was in my country it would have caused a religious or even tribal argument. His tribesmen will have supported him and others will have used it to shame his tribe. While his religious sect would have been ridiculed by other religions.

Morally this behavior is bad and he does not even feel remorse for his inappropriate behavior rather he is been rude and arrogant. He has no option but to resign and face disciplinary procedures. The public is seeing it as abuse against women because Jenni Hermoso said she didn't consent to the kiss. Rabiales is in for a most turbulent period of his life because many feminist groups are willing to do anything to ensure he is persecuted for sexual abuse.
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I honestly don't see what the big deal is. It's just a kiss while celebrating being the world champions.

Can't believe that the whole championship is being ignored and people are focusing on a one second kiss.

Well.. this is the problem. Being a woman myself, I can't forgive Luis Rubiales for what he did. What was his contribution to Spain winning the world cup? Are the players more important, or the AFE president? The Spanish women worked so hard to win the trophy and then Rubiales uses that opportunity to do whatever he want to do. And when questioned about it, he refuses to resign or even apologize, claiming that people are mistreating him after he helped the women's team to become champions. I don't understand. If tomorrow another team wins the trophy and the president of the association rapes one of the players, will he be let off just because he "helped" the team to win the trophy?
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