FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 104.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 31, 2024, 04:09:18 AM

Technology is developing and obviously, we will have more tools over time to use in the next World Cups but I think that it's not right to use technologies like this because this is changing the real shape of football. However human mistakes can be effective and even change the result but by the referee but it's always a part of the game. I think the next World Cups will be even more annoying because of that and it lose the real shape of the World Cups we saw before.

I find the way technology is used in volleyball matches very interesting!
In this sport, technology is used as an auxiliary mechanism that the coaches of each team can use, not as a decision tool that can change the fate of the game at all times.
In this sport, the initial decision is always made by the referee, and if a coach believes that there has been a discrepancy, he can request the help of technology, but if he made a mistake and the technology shows that the judge's decision is correct, then the team is penalized.

Something similar should also happen in football.... human decision-making should prevail, and only activate the technology when the national team coach is convinced that something was wrong, this way it would be used more prudently.
But the way it is being used today, everyone simply folds their arms for several minutes and waits for the technology to decide how the game will continue. This is wrong and very annoying!

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 31, 2024, 04:09:18 AM

Technology is developing and obviously, we will have more tools over time to use in the next World Cups but I think that it's not right to use technologies like this because this is changing the real shape of football. However human mistakes can be effective and even change the result but by the referee but it's always a part of the game. I think the next World Cups will be even more annoying because of that and it lose the real shape of the World Cups we saw before.

Placing sensors everywhere will only make players play like robots. Trust me. I don't completely disagree with VAR. It helps a lot in difficult situations and during this time the various controversies are still acceptable. But what about putting lots of sensors in place to monitor violations? I mean if there are lots of sensors then in the future players will play more safely and there will be no more defenders like Ramos or Pepe. In fact, players will tend not to make physical contact for fear of being considered a violation. So what we see is just passing each other and marking opponents without any interceptions and tackles like in the past.

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Quote from: nullama on January 30, 2024, 04:23:40 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 30, 2024, 01:59:42 AM

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In the fight against dishonest refereeing, VAR also helps very well, simply by its existence - it is difficult to make the wrong decision when you are then subject to criticism and there will be no excuse “I didn’t notice.”
In general, people get used to good things very quickly - I remember how just ten (even less) years ago goals from a two-meter offside position were the norm, a ball that hit the goal from the crossbar (and crossed the line = goal) and then flew out of there was not counted, it was also a common occurrence (even at the World Cup). Now people are discussing small, rare mistakes (and I don’t dispute that they exist), but they forget that the situation has become much better.

I think it should be as it was before, basically that's the job of the referee team, to check out what's going on, and interpret the game the best they can.

If we simply add sensors everywhere, then might as well switch the players for robots...

The RoboCup is an alternative World Cup that does exactly that, and let me tell you, it's fun for like 5 minutes. Then it gets so boring.

And by the way, in 2050 the World Cup champion country will play against the RoboCup champion. We'll see how that goes.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/robocup-robot-soccer

Technology is developing and obviously, we will have more tools over time to use in the next World Cups but I think that it's not right to use technologies like this because this is changing the real shape of football. However human mistakes can be effective and even change the result but by the referee but it's always a part of the game. I think the next World Cups will be even more annoying because of that and it lose the real shape of the World Cups we saw before.

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Quote from: rdluffy on January 29, 2024, 08:04:34 AM

I disagree with you most of yous guys about VAR
There's still a lot of room for them to evolve and make quicker decisions, maybe one day they'll reach a fully automated decision, without human intervention and in real time
But for now we're seeing the beginning of something good

In my opinion, it's horrible to see a team being disadvantaged by a refereeing error, and with the use of VAR, these errors have been greatly reduced
I liked soccer a lot more in the past, but when I saw one of my team's games, in an important Libertadores match, with grotesque refereeing errors, I lost a lot of my desire to watch and follow soccer. After many years I started watching again

And speaking of betting, soccer can't allow too much amateurism and refereeing errors, the VAR helps a lot with that, when we bet money, we don't want to see mistakes happening all the time

The technology is developing more and more these days. For example they have introduced us a new system called "semi-automated offside technology". This system is helping the current VAR system significantly in debatable offside situations. Like this one no wonder we will see better technologies developed in the future to decrease the number of human error to minimum.

I agree that it is very annoying to see referees making simple mistakes. Even in VAR's presence we are seeing unbelievable human errors even in the most prestigious leagues in Europe such as the English Premier League. Sad

But we will get closer to full automation in time to maybe even make the error count 0 in matches.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 30, 2024, 01:59:42 AM

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In the fight against dishonest refereeing, VAR also helps very well, simply by its existence - it is difficult to make the wrong decision when you are then subject to criticism and there will be no excuse “I didn’t notice.”
In general, people get used to good things very quickly - I remember how just ten (even less) years ago goals from a two-meter offside position were the norm, a ball that hit the goal from the crossbar (and crossed the line = goal) and then flew out of there was not counted, it was also a common occurrence (even at the World Cup). Now people are discussing small, rare mistakes (and I don’t dispute that they exist), but they forget that the situation has become much better.

I think it should be as it was before, basically that's the job of the referee team, to check out what's going on, and interpret the game the best they can.

If we simply add sensors everywhere, then might as well switch the players for robots...

The RoboCup is an alternative World Cup that does exactly that, and let me tell you, it's fun for like 5 minutes. Then it gets so boring.

And by the way, in 2050 the World Cup champion country will play against the RoboCup champion. We'll see how that goes.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/robocup-robot-soccer

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Quote from: swogerino on January 29, 2024, 09:52:06 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 29, 2024, 09:05:35 AM

Of course, VAR is not 100% error elimination, but this is life - seat belts, for example, are also not a guarantee that a person will survive an accident, but nevertheless, VAR has an obvious positive effect - there are much fewer scandals. Now it seems to us that there are still a lot of scandals because every VAR mistake causes a lot of outrage and long discussions, but before there were so many of these mistakes that it was not even possible to discuss them all.
As for “roboticization,” this is inevitable, such is professional sport. When I watch table tennis competitions, the same sensations arise, VAR has nothing to do with it. In professional sports you are obliged to perform optimal actions, this kills creativity to some extent.

I agree that VAR is a great addition to the soccer as it in theory minimizes referee errors which many people defend as human errors.For me they are human errors the same people use bittorrent for legitimate purposes and file sharing,meaning very few can be defined such,all other are intentional errors.That is why it is needed for referees that clearly see the VAR and continue with their foul decision to be punished and made an example for all other referees.

In the fight against dishonest refereeing, VAR also helps very well, simply by its existence - it is difficult to make the wrong decision when you are then subject to criticism and there will be no excuse “I didn’t notice.”
In general, people get used to good things very quickly - I remember how just ten (even less) years ago goals from a two-meter offside position were the norm, a ball that hit the goal from the crossbar (and crossed the line = goal) and then flew out of there was not counted, it was also a common occurrence (even at the World Cup). Now people are discussing small, rare mistakes (and I don’t dispute that they exist), but they forget that the situation has become much better.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 29, 2024, 09:05:35 AM

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 28, 2024, 11:06:30 AM

If you are talking about a goal scored by hand Grin

then of course VAR will not allow this to happen now. As for the stellar surroundings, I don’t agree - for example, Pele was also full of stars around him, but over time we remember only the frontman (although it’s not a fact that without the surroundings he could have become like that). Just like everyone remembers the golden Barcelona in the form of Messi, although Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol, etc. did all the work.

I don't think if VAR really makes the games fair these days and I'm not a fan of VAR at all. Years ago as you said, Maradona scored goals by his hand none could understand while today we can easily doubt all these but even VAR makes mistakes and even VAR can't be fully trusted, also this made football robotic. I was even hoping to see the word cup without using VAR because of the fake and the robotic feeling it gives.

Of course, VAR is not 100% error elimination, but this is life - seat belts, for example, are also not a guarantee that a person will survive an accident, but nevertheless, VAR has an obvious positive effect - there are much fewer scandals. Now it seems to us that there are still a lot of scandals because every VAR mistake causes a lot of outrage and long discussions, but before there were so many of these mistakes that it was not even possible to discuss them all.
As for “roboticization,” this is inevitable, such is professional sport. When I watch table tennis competitions, the same sensations arise, VAR has nothing to do with it. In professional sports you are obliged to perform optimal actions, this kills creativity to some extent.

I agree that VAR is a great addition to the soccer as it in theory minimizes referee errors which many people defend as human errors.For me they are human errors the same people use bittorrent for legitimate purposes and file sharing,meaning very few can be defined such,all other are intentional errors.That is why it is needed for referees that clearly see the VAR and continue with their foul decision to be punished and made an example for all other referees.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 28, 2024, 04:54:17 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 28, 2024, 11:06:30 AM

If you are talking about a goal scored by hand Grin

then of course VAR will not allow this to happen now. As for the stellar surroundings, I don’t agree - for example, Pele was also full of stars around him, but over time we remember only the frontman (although it’s not a fact that without the surroundings he could have become like that). Just like everyone remembers the golden Barcelona in the form of Messi, although Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol, etc. did all the work.

I don't think if VAR really makes the games fair these days and I'm not a fan of VAR at all. Years ago as you said, Maradona scored goals by his hand none could understand while today we can easily doubt all these but even VAR makes mistakes and even VAR can't be fully trusted, also this made football robotic. I was even hoping to see the word cup without using VAR because of the fake and the robotic feeling it gives.

Of course, VAR is not 100% error elimination, but this is life - seat belts, for example, are also not a guarantee that a person will survive an accident, but nevertheless, VAR has an obvious positive effect - there are much fewer scandals. Now it seems to us that there are still a lot of scandals because every VAR mistake causes a lot of outrage and long discussions, but before there were so many of these mistakes that it was not even possible to discuss them all.
As for “roboticization,” this is inevitable, such is professional sport. When I watch table tennis competitions, the same sensations arise, VAR has nothing to do with it. In professional sports you are obliged to perform optimal actions, this kills creativity to some extent.

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I disagree with you most of yous guys about VAR
There's still a lot of room for them to evolve and make quicker decisions, maybe one day they'll reach a fully automated decision, without human intervention and in real time
But for now we're seeing the beginning of something good

In my opinion, it's horrible to see a team being disadvantaged by a refereeing error, and with the use of VAR, these errors have been greatly reduced
I liked soccer a lot more in the past, but when I saw one of my team's games, in an important Libertadores match, with grotesque refereeing errors, I lost a lot of my desire to watch and follow soccer. After many years I started watching again

And speaking of betting, soccer can't allow too much amateurism and refereeing errors, the VAR helps a lot with that, when we bet money, we don't want to see mistakes happening all the time

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Quote from: nullama on January 29, 2024, 01:59:39 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 28, 2024, 04:54:17 PM

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I don't think if VAR really makes the games fair these days and I'm not a fan of VAR at all. Years ago as you said, Maradona scored goals by his hand none could understand while today we can easily doubt all these but even VAR makes mistakes and even VAR can't be fully trusted, also this made football robotic. I was even hoping to see the word cup without using VAR because of the fake and the robotic feeling it gives.

Yeah, I'm not particularly a fan of VAR in the world cup.

It has basically changed the sport. Now the rhythm is completely different, there's a lot of time wasted waiting for the multiple reviews, and many, many plays are all cancelled because of something that happened long time ago.

I mean, until when in the past can you change the present?, it's ridiculous. And it's also full of issues as well.

VAR technology is actually quite helpful in football matches because there will be clarity in every moment that cannot be seen at glance, this will be quite useful tool for referees.
But even though VAR is camera technology that can fully display every moment in game, it still causes lot of controversy and VAR has made things more difficult for some parties.
This is indeed impressed as tool that makes football fairer and can avoid any cheating or mistakes that occur but cannot be seen clearly by the referee, VAR makes it difficult for every player to attempt to cheat or manipulate game.

The use of VAR in the World Cup has been determined in the Qatar 2022 World Cup and there has also been some controversy regarding the victory in the Netherlands vs Qatar match.
The Netherlands got 3 goals but after the referee looked at the VAR it was clear that Steven Berghuis had committed a foul and the goal he scored was not approved by the referee.

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Quote from: nullama on January 29, 2024, 01:59:39 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 28, 2024, 04:54:17 PM

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I don't think if VAR really makes the games fair these days and I'm not a fan of VAR at all. Years ago as you said, Maradona scored goals by his hand none could understand while today we can easily doubt all these but even VAR makes mistakes and even VAR can't be fully trusted, also this made football robotic. I was even hoping to see the word cup without using VAR because of the fake and the robotic feeling it gives.

Yeah, I'm not particularly a fan of VAR in the world cup.

It has basically changed the sport. Now the rhythm is completely different, there's a lot of time wasted waiting for the multiple reviews, and many, many plays are all cancelled because of something that happened long time ago.

I mean, until when in the past can you change the present?, it's ridiculous. And it's also full of issues as well.

Since the adoption of the Video Assistant Referee in to football, we've had mixed feelings about the development as football lovers across the globe but one thing we all mustn't deny is the fact that the VAR has helped referees to make good decisions in some very difficult moments that they couldn't have gotten them right with the assistant of the VAR. Though few other times, the VAR decisions have been totally unfair with the reality of the concerned incidents and that has made the technology face intense criticism from football lovers as well especially the affected teams and fans. But it doesn't change the fact that the introduction of the VAR technology in football is one step better to improve the officiation if football and to also help the match official is to experience ease with their works.

VAR has come to stay in football and instead of football fans to continue with their criticism of the technology, I think the best thing to do is to find the lasting solutions to the errors of the VAR because it will be a step backward for FIFA to totally remove the use of the technology in football.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 28, 2024, 04:54:17 PM

I don't think if VAR really makes the games fair these days and I'm not a fan of VAR at all. Years ago as you said, Maradona scored goals by his hand none could understand while today we can easily doubt all these but even VAR makes mistakes and even VAR can't be fully trusted, also this made football robotic. I was even hoping to see the word cup without using VAR because of the fake and the robotic feeling it gives.

VAR isn't devoid of errors and it's really sad that some obvious errors are made by VAR, something that was supposed to be trusted by both players and fans to be devoid of certain errors but then since there's a human tendency around it, definitely it can't be 100% error free because everyone is bound to make mistakes even if it's automated.

Sometimes it's even much better and fair going be the judgement of the officiating referee who is on the pitch, but the vAR would come up with a contrary judgement which sometimes ain't sitting well with others but because it appears like VA R has got a higher stake in final judgment they will have to keep to it, I think to better see improve judgments, there should be standards with which VAR could be Automated and anything void of what was agreed as standard for the judgement will not be considered regardless of who's involved without making unnecessary reviews. If this should be done then I think it will be effective at the world cup.

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Quote from: nullama on January 29, 2024, 01:59:39 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 28, 2024, 04:54:17 PM

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I don't think if VAR really makes the games fair these days and I'm not a fan of VAR at all. Years ago as you said, Maradona scored goals by his hand none could understand while today we can easily doubt all these but even VAR makes mistakes and even VAR can't be fully trusted, also this made football robotic. I was even hoping to see the word cup without using VAR because of the fake and the robotic feeling it gives.

Yeah, I'm not particularly a fan of VAR in the world cup.

It has basically changed the sport. Now the rhythm is completely different, there's a lot of time wasted waiting for the multiple reviews, and many, many plays are all cancelled because of something that happened long time ago.

I mean, until when in the past can you change the present?, it's ridiculous. And it's also full of issues as well.

Whether we like it or not, we have to keep up with developments and one of them is VAR. On the one hand I am happy with VAR because it will make the game fairer because with VAR the possibility of controversial decisions made by referees will be less. On the other hand it does change all the excitement in football, what I mean is that the controversial decisions seem to add to the attraction of the match, even though there is one of them that is disadvantaged but I think that's where the real art is.
For the time wasted because of VAR, actually now it's been adjusted yes how much time is wasted because of VAR or because of other things will be added in extra time. In the past we didn't see extra time until 15 minutes for example, but now we see it more often.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 28, 2024, 04:54:17 PM

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I don't think if VAR really makes the games fair these days and I'm not a fan of VAR at all. Years ago as you said, Maradona scored goals by his hand none could understand while today we can easily doubt all these but even VAR makes mistakes and even VAR can't be fully trusted, also this made football robotic. I was even hoping to see the word cup without using VAR because of the fake and the robotic feeling it gives.

Yeah, I'm not particularly a fan of VAR in the world cup.

It has basically changed the sport. Now the rhythm is completely different, there's a lot of time wasted waiting for the multiple reviews, and many, many plays are all cancelled because of something that happened long time ago.

I mean, until when in the past can you change the present?, it's ridiculous. And it's also full of issues as well.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 28, 2024, 11:06:30 AM

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No way. I think if the average modern footballer is sent back to the past, he will be like Maradona and Pele combined, progress has gone too far ahead, the ability to find himself in the right areas for a pass is now a calculated thing and not a scoring instinct as it was before, like many other tactical skills. As for the technique of working with the ball, dribbling, etc. then modern football players who have done nothing but work with the ball since childhood will be better than any master from the old days. The only thing I agree with is that comparisons in power wrestling may not be in favor of modern football players, since now the rules prohibit even potentially dangerous techniques (like tackles from behind), but previously wrestling was such that football players regularly received fractures and serious injuries. It is far from a fact that a modern footballer, after a couple of such injuries, would not end his career or would simply be able to play in such conditions.

Let's not talk about the old days and Maradona or Pele, we know these two players had epic performances but now everything has changed and you can't good results with the tactics they used anymore. In fact, Maradona helped the team to win the World Cup in the past but this method is not useful anymore, and that's not because of the players. For example, Messi won the last World Cup but still, they had many superstar players otherwise they couldn't have done that.

If you are talking about a goal scored by hand Grin

then of course VAR will not allow this to happen now. As for the stellar surroundings, I don’t agree - for example, Pele was also full of stars around him, but over time we remember only the frontman (although it’s not a fact that without the surroundings he could have become like that). Just like everyone remembers the golden Barcelona in the form of Messi, although Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol, etc. did all the work.

I don't think if VAR really makes the games fair these days and I'm not a fan of VAR at all. Years ago as you said, Maradona scored goals by his hand none could understand while today we can easily doubt all these but even VAR makes mistakes and even VAR can't be fully trusted, also this made football robotic. I was even hoping to see the word cup without using VAR because of the fake and the robotic feeling it gives.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 28, 2024, 10:40:08 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 27, 2024, 10:34:54 AM

No way. I think if the average modern footballer is sent back to the past, he will be like Maradona and Pele combined, progress has gone too far ahead, the ability to find himself in the right areas for a pass is now a calculated thing and not a scoring instinct as it was before, like many other tactical skills. As for the technique of working with the ball, dribbling, etc. then modern football players who have done nothing but work with the ball since childhood will be better than any master from the old days. The only thing I agree with is that comparisons in power wrestling may not be in favor of modern football players, since now the rules prohibit even potentially dangerous techniques (like tackles from behind), but previously wrestling was such that football players regularly received fractures and serious injuries. It is far from a fact that a modern footballer, after a couple of such injuries, would not end his career or would simply be able to play in such conditions.

Let's not talk about the old days and Maradona or Pele, we know these two players had epic performances but now everything has changed and you can't good results with the tactics they used anymore. In fact, Maradona helped the team to win the World Cup in the past but this method is not useful anymore, and that's not because of the players. For example, Messi won the last World Cup but still, they had many superstar players otherwise they couldn't have done that.

If you are talking about a goal scored by hand Grin

then of course VAR will not allow this to happen now. As for the stellar surroundings, I don’t agree - for example, Pele was also full of stars around him, but over time we remember only the frontman (although it’s not a fact that without the surroundings he could have become like that). Just like everyone remembers the golden Barcelona in the form of Messi, although Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol, etc. did all the work.

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I think since then professional sports have gone so far that we cannot compare players from those times with modern ones (I suspect that a team of modern average players would simply destroy a team of Maradona, Pele, Garinchi, Yashin, etc. simply due to training in team tactics and knowledge of statistics on the profitability of actions), it only makes sense to compare how much stronger they were than their generation. And here (again due to the lower level of team play) Maradona is definitely one of the tops in the entire history of football.

The few games I have watched where these players featured show that they had natural talents that set them above their peers. Maradona and Pele were extraordinarily gifted and their presence in a team tended to change the results. A key example is Pele whose efforts were instrumental to the winning of the 1970 World Cup. Another quality of these great players is their uncommon strength. They were able to excel in poor sporting facilities and other challenges that current footballers don't face. I assume that the olden days players will beat these modern-day players because of their uncommon strength and talents.

No way. I think if the average modern footballer is sent back to the past, he will be like Maradona and Pele combined, progress has gone too far ahead, the ability to find himself in the right areas for a pass is now a calculated thing and not a scoring instinct as it was before, like many other tactical skills. As for the technique of working with the ball, dribbling, etc. then modern football players who have done nothing but work with the ball since childhood will be better than any master from the old days. The only thing I agree with is that comparisons in power wrestling may not be in favor of modern football players, since now the rules prohibit even potentially dangerous techniques (like tackles from behind), but previously wrestling was such that football players regularly received fractures and serious injuries. It is far from a fact that a modern footballer, after a couple of such injuries, would not end his career or would simply be able to play in such conditions.

Let's not talk about the old days and Maradona or Pele, we know these two players had epic performances but now everything has changed and you can't good results with the tactics they used anymore. In fact, Maradona helped the team to win the World Cup in the past but this method is not useful anymore, and that's not because of the players. For example, Messi won the last World Cup but still, they had many superstar players otherwise they couldn't have done that.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on January 28, 2024, 04:44:31 AM

Messi was surely deserved about this reward because of his success in international games which are surely not having anything with Haaland which is without any doubt one of the best club player currently and if he had no injury issue then I am surely we are going to have many records in front of his name in coming years.

Messi been compared with haland sounds very thrivial and very much unacceptable to me because these two are in different era of football and they have different levels of experience so far in football so a comparison between them both will not have a solid basis for comparison for them both haland is doing well at his level so is Messi doing well too at his level with his experience, haland has got a whole lot of years ahead to achieve more and become the best he can be but Messi has gotten a whole lot to his name alre and will be exiting the football profession soonest.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 27, 2024, 02:39:27 PM

Well, as far as I'm Concerned , things with Maradona I never liked his style , the fact that a person takes drugs to do great things in life, for me they have no type of merit, yes, he was great, he did things incredible but what example remains for History ? than a player who achieved everything based on drugs? The most fans said that the dog hurt him, a Soccer player for me must be very complete and in every sense, because he is an example to follow , how can a Child Consider this being Serious? as? As for Messi, things are different, the player is very good , he has a Special gift , but that Doesn't mean that I think he is the best in the world, I also think that Messi had a lot of help from the games, from FIFA , from the Awards , How can they choose him to be the best in the world over Haaland? It's something that doesn't make sense, I hope for the next World Cup if he goes , then don't give him much help, because I don't think he needs it.
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The fact that Maradona used cocaine hardly increased his athletic performance (rather the opposite), so this is a personal matter and I would not say that we can judge an athlete for his personal affairs.
But now many athletes use heavy doping absolutely legally (but you cannot know about this from the point of view of the law, since this is private information and a medical secret). For example, Messi, whom you mentioned, used the most severe doping (for medical reasons) growth hormone and, as leaks say, he uses steroids/nandrolone throughout his career (also for medical reasons). How true this is, you have no way of knowing. But would you agree that the picture of achievements is a little different when an athlete achieves something while being clean or when using doping (even legal)?

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Quote from: temple on January 27, 2024, 02:56:14 PM

I actually didn't know that Maradona was on drugs all the time? I heard about his cocaine scandals when he was older and not an active player anymore, but is there any serious evidence that he was doping or taking any substances that were performance enhancing but not allowed in football?

I agree with the things you said about Messi and the ballon d'or and so on and that Haaland would have deserved it more. But I think Haaland will always have a hard time to win the ballon d'or in years when the World Cup counts because it is highly unlikely that he will ever get close to winning a World Norway. You could almost call it bad fate when a superstar player is born in a country that will never have a chance to win big tournaments because they will often be at a disadvantage when it comes to these awards.

One thing is sure Maradona never take drugs for his performance enhancing because I am sure about this all even there were a good deal of news about him, he was using cocaine and few other drugs, but these all were after his retirement nothing happen during his playing career which is the best thing about him and his playing career I watch his few matches which was near his career end so he was excellent but after his retirement we have too many scandals and other things related to him which create too many negative things about his life and playing career because he was the aggressive person which have many enemies so having negative things about him is surely easy thing.

Messi was surely deserved about this reward because of his success in international games which are surely not having anything with Haaland which is without any doubt one of the best club player currently and if he had no injury issue then I am surely we are going to have many records in front of his name in coming years.

Ok I did the research myself when I read your post as I thought someone would look it up before claiming Maradona did or did not take any drugs for doping, but now I found this:

"Arguably the most high-profile case of doping in world football is the one of Diego Maradona at the 1994 FIFA World Cup in the United States, who was immediately suspended and later sanctioned for 18 months for intake of ephedrine.[47] Maradona was also suspended for 15 months in 1991 after a failed doping test for cocaine while playing for Napoli in Italy."

Wow, I wasn't aware of that until now, but Maradona took it to the limit with his doping. I am not sure he would still be playing today as I imagine the sanctions would have been harder than that.

Look what happened to Pogba, he got a suspension of 4 years for his positive doping test. Maradona got caught twice and got away with a little more than 2.5 years in total.

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