FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 184.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 14, 2023, 08:51:10 PM

Some benefits must be given to the countries hosting the cup and traditionally allowing them to qualify automatically to the tournament is one of them, besides even if we are talking about three countries this time around with the increase on the number of teams allowed to the world cup and a reduction on the spots available to the CONCACAF that will be enough to offset this, besides the USA, Canada and Mexico qualified for the 2022 Qatar world cup so I doubt we will see the same abysmal performance we saw with the Qatar soccer team.

Have been tradition for all countries hosting FIFA World Cup qualify automatically without participants in qualifying round, not only with World Cup but also all tournament give special thing for countries hosting from Asian Cup, Euro, Copa America and African Cup. But next time FIFA World Cup 2026 have three countries hosting and take two slot participants in World Cup. Actually realistic with FIFA World Cup 2026 need three hosting countries because participants added from 32 countries become 48 countries.
Need many stadium for FIFA World Cup 2026 and three hosting countries seems can help how to manage well all World Cup matches.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 15, 2023, 08:34:33 AM

Quote from: Silberman on July 14, 2023, 08:51:10 PM

Quote from: CLS63 on July 14, 2023, 04:44:07 AM

I'm also doubtful about if it is the right thing to give this qualification right to host countries just like that. I don't know if this gives the right to that country to join the group stage directly just because of hosting the tournament. That country should also earn their way to the main tournament by playing qualification matches.

Qatar really didn't make us watch some good football from them. The players just represented their country in the last World Cup and that's all. They were an easy target for all of their opponents in their group.

In the 2026 World Cup there are going to be 3 host countries like Mexico, Canada and USA. Now all of these countries have qualified for the main tournament already.

Some benefits must be given to the countries hosting the cup and traditionally allowing them to qualify automatically to the tournament is one of them, besides even if we are talking about three countries this time around with the increase on the number of teams allowed to the world cup and a reduction on the spots available to the CONCACAF that will be enough to offset this, besides the USA, Canada and Mexico qualified for the 2022 Qatar world cup so I doubt we will see the same abysmal performance we saw with the Qatar soccer team.

I think they are already taking benefits, they host the world cup games there are going to be many teams that come to these countries, and many fans from all over the world will come with them to watch the games, obviously, these people need hotels to stay there and foods to eat they will use the facilities from the host and they should pay money for it, this huge demand is enough for the hosts to help their business.

It seems to me that this was the case in the past, but I am not sure that it still applies.
The organizers of the world cup in Qatar last year had almost no infrastructure necessary to organize such a large competition and had to build all the stadiums before the start of the world cup.
It is a huge cost in billions of dollars and I am sure that the organizers in Qatar have not earned that much from fans or from TV and marketing rights.
However, the organizers of the World Cup in Qatar clearly did not plan to make money from the World Cup in football, but it was more important for them to get the big international promotion that comes with such big events and to change the public image of Qatar as a non-democratic state.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 14, 2023, 08:51:10 PM

Quote from: CLS63 on July 14, 2023, 04:44:07 AM

I'm also doubtful about if it is the right thing to give this qualification right to host countries just like that. I don't know if this gives the right to that country to join the group stage directly just because of hosting the tournament. That country should also earn their way to the main tournament by playing qualification matches.

Qatar really didn't make us watch some good football from them. The players just represented their country in the last World Cup and that's all. They were an easy target for all of their opponents in their group.

In the 2026 World Cup there are going to be 3 host countries like Mexico, Canada and USA. Now all of these countries have qualified for the main tournament already.

Some benefits must be given to the countries hosting the cup and traditionally allowing them to qualify automatically to the tournament is one of them, besides even if we are talking about three countries this time around with the increase on the number of teams allowed to the world cup and a reduction on the spots available to the CONCACAF that will be enough to offset this, besides the USA, Canada and Mexico qualified for the 2022 Qatar world cup so I doubt we will see the same abysmal performance we saw with the Qatar soccer team.

I think they are already taking benefits, they host the world cup games there are going to be many teams that come to these countries, and many fans from all over the world will come with them to watch the games, obviously, these people need hotels to stay there and foods to eat they will use the facilities from the host and they should pay money for it, this huge demand is enough for the hosts to help their business.

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Quote from: CLS63 on July 14, 2023, 04:44:07 AM

I'm also doubtful about if it is the right thing to give this qualification right to host countries just like that. I don't know if this gives the right to that country to join the group stage directly just because of hosting the tournament. That country should also earn their way to the main tournament by playing qualification matches.

Qatar really didn't make us watch some good football from them. The players just represented their country in the last World Cup and that's all. They were an easy target for all of their opponents in their group.

In the 2026 World Cup there are going to be 3 host countries like Mexico, Canada and USA. Now all of these countries have qualified for the main tournament already.

Some benefits must be given to the countries hosting the cup and traditionally allowing them to qualify automatically to the tournament is one of them, besides even if we are talking about three countries this time around with the increase on the number of teams allowed to the world cup and a reduction on the spots available to the CONCACAF that will be enough to offset this, besides the USA, Canada and Mexico qualified for the 2022 Qatar world cup so I doubt we will see the same abysmal performance we saw with the Qatar soccer team.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 14, 2023, 10:52:03 AM

Quote from: CLS63 on July 14, 2023, 04:44:07 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 13, 2023, 10:10:12 PM

Quote from: letteredhub on July 13, 2023, 12:28:30 PM

There is nothing much to argue about in this rule which has been a rule that previous hosts have enjoined over the years. @Leviathan.007 how fair would it be that your country is a host of the world cup tournament with the so much inconveniences that follows the whole process of preparations and arrangement of hospitality to all tourists that would be in attendance? It makes no sense at all that's why the express slot are given to host countries and nothing unfair about that, it's rather understandable.

Just one question to you.

If a country can't qualify for the FIFA World Cup, why should that country be given the hosting rights? This was very evident during the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Qatar was given automatic entry to the tournament since they were the hosts. And what happened after that? They lost all three of their group stage matches and got crashed out of the tournament. I still believe that if a more deserving country from AFC was given that slot, then they would have performed much better. Anyway, in this case United Arab Emirates was the team that was ranked 6th in the AFC qualifiers. I don't know how they would have performed, had they been given the chance.

I'm also doubtful about if it is the right thing to give this qualification right to host countries just like that. I don't know if this gives the right to that country to join the group stage directly just because of hosting the tournament. That country should also earn their way to the main tournament by playing qualification matches.

Qatar really didn't make us watch some good football from them. The players just represented their country in the last World Cup and that's all. They were an easy target for all of their opponents in their group.

In the 2026 World Cup there are going to be 3 host countries like Mexico, Canada and USA. Now all of these countries have qualified for the main tournament already.

These three teams will get the three positions in the world cup tournament and this can make the other three strong teams to be out of the World Cup because the three teams are getting auto qualification for this tournament. I think at least they had to just let America get the qualification chance and two other teams could race for the ticket just like other teams because in fact, America is the main host of 80 percent of games that are going to be in America.

We should start to be accustomed that there will be some time that three countries will be qualified automatically without the need to make a run for the qualifications and go through the normal set-up just like the other team because in the upcoming World Cup, three countries will host it and it will be just rightful to have their own team to be qualified directly. Moreover, in World Cup 2030, I bet the same thing will happen as it seems like Morocco-Spain-Portugal will host the event.

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Quote from: CLS63 on July 14, 2023, 04:44:07 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 13, 2023, 10:10:12 PM

Quote from: letteredhub on July 13, 2023, 12:28:30 PM

There is nothing much to argue about in this rule which has been a rule that previous hosts have enjoined over the years. @Leviathan.007 how fair would it be that your country is a host of the world cup tournament with the so much inconveniences that follows the whole process of preparations and arrangement of hospitality to all tourists that would be in attendance? It makes no sense at all that's why the express slot are given to host countries and nothing unfair about that, it's rather understandable.

Just one question to you.

If a country can't qualify for the FIFA World Cup, why should that country be given the hosting rights? This was very evident during the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Qatar was given automatic entry to the tournament since they were the hosts. And what happened after that? They lost all three of their group stage matches and got crashed out of the tournament. I still believe that if a more deserving country from AFC was given that slot, then they would have performed much better. Anyway, in this case United Arab Emirates was the team that was ranked 6th in the AFC qualifiers. I don't know how they would have performed, had they been given the chance.

I'm also doubtful about if it is the right thing to give this qualification right to host countries just like that. I don't know if this gives the right to that country to join the group stage directly just because of hosting the tournament. That country should also earn their way to the main tournament by playing qualification matches.

Qatar really didn't make us watch some good football from them. The players just represented their country in the last World Cup and that's all. They were an easy target for all of their opponents in their group.

In the 2026 World Cup there are going to be 3 host countries like Mexico, Canada and USA. Now all of these countries have qualified for the main tournament already.

These three teams will get the three positions in the world cup tournament and this can make the other three strong teams to be out of the World Cup because the three teams are getting auto qualification for this tournament. I think at least they had to just let America get the qualification chance and two other teams could race for the ticket just like other teams because in fact, America is the main host of 80 percent of games that are going to be in America.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 13, 2023, 10:10:12 PM

Quote from: letteredhub on July 13, 2023, 12:28:30 PM

There is nothing much to argue about in this rule which has been a rule that previous hosts have enjoined over the years. @Leviathan.007 how fair would it be that your country is a host of the world cup tournament with the so much inconveniences that follows the whole process of preparations and arrangement of hospitality to all tourists that would be in attendance? It makes no sense at all that's why the express slot are given to host countries and nothing unfair about that, it's rather understandable.

Just one question to you.

If a country can't qualify for the FIFA World Cup, why should that country be given the hosting rights? This was very evident during the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Qatar was given automatic entry to the tournament since they were the hosts. And what happened after that? They lost all three of their group stage matches and got crashed out of the tournament. I still believe that if a more deserving country from AFC was given that slot, then they would have performed much better. Anyway, in this case United Arab Emirates was the team that was ranked 6th in the AFC qualifiers. I don't know how they would have performed, had they been given the chance.

I'm also doubtful about if it is the right thing to give this qualification right to host countries just like that. I don't know if this gives the right to that country to join the group stage directly just because of hosting the tournament. That country should also earn their way to the main tournament by playing qualification matches.

Qatar really didn't make us watch some good football from them. The players just represented their country in the last World Cup and that's all. They were an easy target for all of their opponents in their group.

In the 2026 World Cup there are going to be 3 host countries like Mexico, Canada and USA. Now all of these countries have qualified for the main tournament already.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 13, 2023, 10:10:12 PM

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Just one question to you.

If a country can't qualify for the FIFA World Cup, why should that country be given the hosting rights? This was very evident during the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Qatar was given automatic entry to the tournament since they were the hosts. And what happened after that? They lost all three of their group stage matches and got crashed out of the tournament. I still believe that if a more deserving country from AFC was given that slot, then they would have performed much better. Anyway, in this case United Arab Emirates was the team that was ranked 6th in the AFC qualifiers. I don't know how they would have performed, had they been given the chance.

Well, I find it fair that the hosting country has the qualification given right away.

There's a lot of preparation, time and money that goes into hosting the world cup, so at a minimum you want your country to be represented there and see how it performs.

The point of doing it in Qatar actually showed that it's not that FIFA just treats Europe and South America preferentially, they simply are the best in the world, and Qatar showed it. It's not because they are not given enough slots, the Asian countries(and North America, and Africa) are just not as good as Europe and South America.

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Quote from: letteredhub on July 13, 2023, 12:28:30 PM

There is nothing much to argue about in this rule which has been a rule that previous hosts have enjoined over the years. @Leviathan.007 how fair would it be that your country is a host of the world cup tournament with the so much inconveniences that follows the whole process of preparations and arrangement of hospitality to all tourists that would be in attendance? It makes no sense at all that's why the express slot are given to host countries and nothing unfair about that, it's rather understandable.

Just one question to you.

If a country can't qualify for the FIFA World Cup, why should that country be given the hosting rights? This was very evident during the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Qatar was given automatic entry to the tournament since they were the hosts. And what happened after that? They lost all three of their group stage matches and got crashed out of the tournament. I still believe that if a more deserving country from AFC was given that slot, then they would have performed much better. Anyway, in this case United Arab Emirates was the team that was ranked 6th in the AFC qualifiers. I don't know how they would have performed, had they been given the chance.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on July 10, 2023, 12:17:18 AM

After one World Cup tournament is over, the next World Cup tournament is usually worked on. Organizing such a big tournament requires big planning along with huge amount of financial support which may be very challenging for the authority to manage in two years. If the number of new teams increases every year, it will take more time than usual to organize a tournament which will make it difficult for the management to control the tournament and if there is a continuous match for a long time then there will be a lot of pressure on the players thinking about all these things. Maybe the football world cup will be held every four years instead of every two years.

It takes longer than 4 years, we have known that this world cup will be held at this place before the last one was even played, why? Because we would love to see nations get a lot more ready for something like this. I feel like this is going to be pretty amazing, we are going to get so much more entertainment here without a doubt.

I do not know how long it takes to rebuild stadiums, because we are not going to really just tore down a whole stadium to build a new one or even need that (which can still be done) or build a whole new one, but I am pretty sure that 4 years is enough of a time, now 3 years left of course. There is a new stadium in Las Vegas that took 2 billion dollars to build, I wonder if there will be any games at all there, would love to see the final there.

The saddest part about all the preparations for these World Cup events and also other big events is that so many resources have to be invested into preventing terrorism attacks. The resources going into security research and implementation are a significant share of the total investment. Regrettable that the world can't just live and be in peace, but that is sadly an integral part of our lives. I think this is a huge challenge for a multi-nation World Cup when all the boarders have to be protected and the inner security isn't limited to a small area like in Qatar, but across a whole continent or even two like North and South America.

The Western world has made many enemies as a result of the role they play in the globe generally but that not withstanding there are always enemies of peace no matter to whom it may concern. As for the security of the whole process throughout the world cup period I believe the host countries would do everything possible to beef up security no matter the cost because the number of tourists all over the world that would be visiting to witness the games is gonna boast up the host countries economies that whatever amount spent on security would be gained double. What I think should be of more concern isn't in the amount to be spent but making sure no attack see the light of day.

That was well said but I was rather referring to the fact being sad that we need to spend so much money on security that could be spent otherwise in a much more efficient and reasonable way. It could be spent on nutrition, but talking about sports it could also be spent on support for sports infrastructure especially in countries that are not very rich, but that is not the world we live in.

As the USA is involved I think it is a double-edged sword because the incentive for terrorists to pul off a successful attack is much higher when their enemy is the "best" at upfront investigation, surveillance and prevention of attacks.

I understand what you mean mate but sadly, first world countries or any other countries are not putting their vast resources for something that will not give them those needed revenues or at least with competitive profits, it's all of an investment for them and while some are inclined to give some of their funds to the needy, we can say that it cannot be on par with the resources they are putting into an events like this.

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That's something that is discussed before about the World Cup hosts getting automatic qualification without any condition with other teams.
The fact about this rule is some countries are not even in the situation to play in the world cup but they are playing there just because they are hosting it. But, imagine a country like America is hosting the next world cup but they don't play there, I think their people will lose interest to host this tournament, and maybe that's why they made this rule.

I don't agree with this argument. If just one country is hosting the tournament, then it is still OK. And in 2026, three countries are being given automatic qualification, and if they go through the regular qualification process then in all probability none of these teams would secure qualification. And things will get even more complicated in 2030, in case the combined bid from Argentina-Uruguay-Chile-Paraguay wins hosting rights. In this case 4 countries will be given automatic qualification and only two slots will be given for CONMEBOL qualifiers.

Imagine a weak team with bad potential which is not ready to play in the world cup and they don't deserve to play in this tournament host the world cup, we know instead of this team there could be one other team with a better situation and a stronger squad could get the qualification.
That's why I still think getting an automatic qualification is not fair at all.

There is nothing much to argue about in this rule which has been a rule that previous hosts have enjoined over the years. @Leviathan.007 how fair would it be that your country is a host of the world cup tournament with the so much inconveniences that follows the whole process of preparations and arrangement of hospitality to all tourists that would be in attendance? It makes no sense at all that's why the express slot are given to host countries and nothing unfair about that, it's rather understandable.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 12, 2023, 09:15:35 PM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 12, 2023, 09:43:17 AM

That's something that is discussed before about the World Cup hosts getting automatic qualification without any condition with other teams.
The fact about this rule is some countries are not even in the situation to play in the world cup but they are playing there just because they are hosting it. But, imagine a country like America is hosting the next world cup but they don't play there, I think their people will lose interest to host this tournament, and maybe that's why they made this rule.

I don't agree with this argument. If just one country is hosting the tournament, then it is still OK. And in 2026, three countries are being given automatic qualification, and if they go through the regular qualification process then in all probability none of these teams would secure qualification. And things will get even more complicated in 2030, in case the combined bid from Argentina-Uruguay-Chile-Paraguay wins hosting rights. In this case 4 countries will be given automatic qualification and only two slots will be given for CONMEBOL qualifiers.

Imagine a weak team with bad potential which is not ready to play in the world cup and they don't deserve to play in this tournament host the world cup, we know instead of this team there could be one other team with a better situation and a stronger squad could get the qualification.
That's why I still think getting an automatic qualification is not fair at all.

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Quote from: shogun47 on July 11, 2023, 12:58:09 PM

Quote from: bitgolden on July 11, 2023, 11:36:39 AM

Quote from: Litzki1990 on July 10, 2023, 12:17:18 AM

After one World Cup tournament is over, the next World Cup tournament is usually worked on. Organizing such a big tournament requires big planning along with huge amount of financial support which may be very challenging for the authority to manage in two years. If the number of new teams increases every year, it will take more time than usual to organize a tournament which will make it difficult for the management to control the tournament and if there is a continuous match for a long time then there will be a lot of pressure on the players thinking about all these things. Maybe the football world cup will be held every four years instead of every two years.

It takes longer than 4 years, we have known that this world cup will be held at this place before the last one was even played, why? Because we would love to see nations get a lot more ready for something like this. I feel like this is going to be pretty amazing, we are going to get so much more entertainment here without a doubt.

I do not know how long it takes to rebuild stadiums, because we are not going to really just tore down a whole stadium to build a new one or even need that (which can still be done) or build a whole new one, but I am pretty sure that 4 years is enough of a time, now 3 years left of course. There is a new stadium in Las Vegas that took 2 billion dollars to build, I wonder if there will be any games at all there, would love to see the final there.

The saddest part about all the preparations for these World Cup events and also other big events is that so many resources have to be invested into preventing terrorism attacks. The resources going into security research and implementation are a significant share of the total investment. Regrettable that the world can't just live and be in peace, but that is sadly an integral part of our lives. I think this is a huge challenge for a multi-nation World Cup when all the boarders have to be protected and the inner security isn't limited to a small area like in Qatar, but across a whole continent or even two like North and South America.

The Western world has made many enemies as a result of the role they play in the globe generally but that not withstanding there are always enemies of peace no matter to whom it may concern. As for the security of the whole process throughout the world cup period I believe the host countries would do everything possible to beef up security no matter the cost because the number of tourists all over the world that would be visiting to witness the games is gonna boast up the host countries economies that whatever amount spent on security would be gained double. What I think should be of more concern isn't in the amount to be spent but making sure no attack see the light of day.

That was well said but I was rather referring to the fact being sad that we need to spend so much money on security that could be spent otherwise in a much more efficient and reasonable way. It could be spent on nutrition, but talking about sports it could also be spent on support for sports infrastructure especially in countries that are not very rich, but that is not the world we live in.

I grab your sentiment mate which is logical. But I doubt if government would wanna simk money into an area that doesn't seem to look like an area of priority to them at the moment and like you said it's very sad it is so. Hosting the world cup gives a lot of prestige and pride to the host country in the international scene.
Furthermore, about infrastructural development, provisions of facilities without inclusion of adequate security measures makes such facilities of no use as people may not be comfortable publicly making use of those facilities under a security threat. So either way security is important no matter the location concerned.

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Quote from: Lida93 on July 13, 2023, 04:33:44 AM

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Quote from: bitgolden on July 11, 2023, 11:36:39 AM

Quote from: Litzki1990 on July 10, 2023, 12:17:18 AM

After one World Cup tournament is over, the next World Cup tournament is usually worked on. Organizing such a big tournament requires big planning along with huge amount of financial support which may be very challenging for the authority to manage in two years. If the number of new teams increases every year, it will take more time than usual to organize a tournament which will make it difficult for the management to control the tournament and if there is a continuous match for a long time then there will be a lot of pressure on the players thinking about all these things. Maybe the football world cup will be held every four years instead of every two years.

It takes longer than 4 years, we have known that this world cup will be held at this place before the last one was even played, why? Because we would love to see nations get a lot more ready for something like this. I feel like this is going to be pretty amazing, we are going to get so much more entertainment here without a doubt.

I do not know how long it takes to rebuild stadiums, because we are not going to really just tore down a whole stadium to build a new one or even need that (which can still be done) or build a whole new one, but I am pretty sure that 4 years is enough of a time, now 3 years left of course. There is a new stadium in Las Vegas that took 2 billion dollars to build, I wonder if there will be any games at all there, would love to see the final there.

The saddest part about all the preparations for these World Cup events and also other big events is that so many resources have to be invested into preventing terrorism attacks. The resources going into security research and implementation are a significant share of the total investment. Regrettable that the world can't just live and be in peace, but that is sadly an integral part of our lives. I think this is a huge challenge for a multi-nation World Cup when all the boarders have to be protected and the inner security isn't limited to a small area like in Qatar, but across a whole continent or even two like North and South America.

The Western world has made many enemies as a result of the role they play in the globe generally but that not withstanding there are always enemies of peace no matter to whom it may concern. As for the security of the whole process throughout the world cup period I believe the host countries would do everything possible to beef up security no matter the cost because the number of tourists all over the world that would be visiting to witness the games is gonna boast up the host countries economies that whatever amount spent on security would be gained double. What I think should be of more concern isn't in the amount to be spent but making sure no attack see the light of day.

That was well said but I was rather referring to the fact being sad that we need to spend so much money on security that could be spent otherwise in a much more efficient and reasonable way. It could be spent on nutrition, but talking about sports it could also be spent on support for sports infrastructure especially in countries that are not very rich, but that is not the world we live in.

As the USA is involved I think it is a double-edged sword because the incentive for terrorists to pul off a successful attack is much higher when their enemy is the "best" at upfront investigation, surveillance and prevention of attacks.

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Quote from: shogun47 on July 11, 2023, 12:58:09 PM

Quote from: bitgolden on July 11, 2023, 11:36:39 AM

Quote from: Litzki1990 on July 10, 2023, 12:17:18 AM

After one World Cup tournament is over, the next World Cup tournament is usually worked on. Organizing such a big tournament requires big planning along with huge amount of financial support which may be very challenging for the authority to manage in two years. If the number of new teams increases every year, it will take more time than usual to organize a tournament which will make it difficult for the management to control the tournament and if there is a continuous match for a long time then there will be a lot of pressure on the players thinking about all these things. Maybe the football world cup will be held every four years instead of every two years.

It takes longer than 4 years, we have known that this world cup will be held at this place before the last one was even played, why? Because we would love to see nations get a lot more ready for something like this. I feel like this is going to be pretty amazing, we are going to get so much more entertainment here without a doubt.

I do not know how long it takes to rebuild stadiums, because we are not going to really just tore down a whole stadium to build a new one or even need that (which can still be done) or build a whole new one, but I am pretty sure that 4 years is enough of a time, now 3 years left of course. There is a new stadium in Las Vegas that took 2 billion dollars to build, I wonder if there will be any games at all there, would love to see the final there.

The saddest part about all the preparations for these World Cup events and also other big events is that so many resources have to be invested into preventing terrorism attacks. The resources going into security research and implementation are a significant share of the total investment. Regrettable that the world can't just live and be in peace, but that is sadly an integral part of our lives. I think this is a huge challenge for a multi-nation World Cup when all the boarders have to be protected and the inner security isn't limited to a small area like in Qatar, but across a whole continent or even two like North and South America.

The Western world has made many enemies as a result of the role they play in the globe generally but that not withstanding there are always enemies of peace no matter to whom it may concern. As for the security of the whole process throughout the world cup period I believe the host countries would do everything possible to beef up security no matter the cost because the number of tourists all over the world that would be visiting to witness the games is gonna boast up the host countries economies that whatever amount spent on security would be gained double. What I think should be of more concern isn't in the amount to be spent but making sure no attack see the light of day.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 12, 2023, 09:43:17 AM

That's something that is discussed before about the World Cup hosts getting automatic qualification without any condition with other teams.
The fact about this rule is some countries are not even in the situation to play in the world cup but they are playing there just because they are hosting it. But, imagine a country like America is hosting the next world cup but they don't play there, I think their people will lose interest to host this tournament, and maybe that's why they made this rule.

I don't agree with this argument. If just one country is hosting the tournament, then it is still OK. And in 2026, three countries are being given automatic qualification, and if they go through the regular qualification process then in all probability none of these teams would secure qualification. And things will get even more complicated in 2030, in case the combined bid from Argentina-Uruguay-Chile-Paraguay wins hosting rights. In this case 4 countries will be given automatic qualification and only two slots will be given for CONMEBOL qualifiers.

Seriously, if the hosting nation does not participate in the group stage, it would be a stupid situation for the domestic fans and the argument that there is less enthusiasm in the streets of the hosting country when they don't even play is of course true. The difference would be huge! What if you go in a local bar and the home country is playing, do you know what's going on in that bar? Everyone will be cheering, commentating, laughing, screaming, hoping for the goal of their own nation in order to stay in the tournament. Saying that it doesn't matter whether the hosting nation plays or not is nonsense. All these domestic people are welcoming the guests with joy and of course I would want the hosting nation to get a free ticket to play the group stage. They've done the work to create a welcoming atmosphere and even if they are an inferior sports team, it would still create a lot of positive if energy if they can participate. It should remain as it is that the hosting nations can play the group stage without qualifying.

Think about the pressure during the qualifiers while they are turning their country upside down to be a successful host and then in the last game they miss the qualification. That would be bad.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 12, 2023, 09:43:17 AM

That's something that is discussed before about the World Cup hosts getting automatic qualification without any condition with other teams.
The fact about this rule is some countries are not even in the situation to play in the world cup but they are playing there just because they are hosting it. But, imagine a country like America is hosting the next world cup but they don't play there, I think their people will lose interest to host this tournament, and maybe that's why they made this rule.

I don't agree with this argument. If just one country is hosting the tournament, then it is still OK. And in 2026, three countries are being given automatic qualification, and if they go through the regular qualification process then in all probability none of these teams would secure qualification. And things will get even more complicated in 2030, in case the combined bid from Argentina-Uruguay-Chile-Paraguay wins hosting rights. In this case 4 countries will be given automatic qualification and only two slots will be given for CONMEBOL qualifiers.

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Quote from: shogun47 on July 12, 2023, 07:12:24 AM

I wouldn't be afraid of attacks to the extent of the September 11, 2001. But that is where the problem begins because even small attacks can have significant effects on the public's real security and the perceived security. If a small attack happens during a World Cup in the US, I can imagine that this would have consequences on the decisions people make to attend for example public viewing events. And these small attacks are so difficult to prevent from happening. That is what makes the resource expenditure on security measures so high. During an event of that magnitude in terms of the number of people and the area that it takes place it is like searching for the needle in the haystack. But as always we can only hope that nothing is going to happen. The Boston Marathon also got under attack once and the consequences were bitter.

Usually these attacks happen when people are distracted or not expecting something to happen, what isn't the case of an event like World Cup, where all the security forces will be paying full attention to every details and making use of the intelligence services to increase the efficiency of the event's security. USA is the main focus of terrorists and riots in general, but at same time it's the most prepared country to deal with such menaces since they have top notch technology and expensive investments on security area. I'm sure they will be monitoring everyone closely to ensure the games happen without nasty incidents.

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Quote from: Vaculin on July 12, 2023, 04:12:06 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 11, 2023, 10:15:26 PM

Argentina still has to qualify despite being the defending champions?

Unfortunately, yes. Argentina will have to qualify again and go through with the traditional process just like every other team despite being the defending champions and the only exception are the hosting countries namely, United States of America, Canada, and Mexico.
In the past two decades or more, every defending champions have the right to be qualified automatically but that rule changed way back 2006 before the FIFA 2026 commenced.

Now you mention it, someone could argue that it can be a lil bit unfair to have three teams which have been guaranteed to qualify only because they are hosting the event in their countries. Having one team to have such a status is completely different than having three of them at the same time, in my opinion.

Still knowing how good Argentina is, I would not expect them to lose the chance of partaking in the next world cup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 11, 2023, 10:15:26 PM

Argentina still has to qualify despite being the defending champions?

Unfortunately, yes. Argentina will have to qualify again and go through with the traditional process just like every other team despite being the defending champions and the only exception are the hosting countries namely, United States of America, Canada, and Mexico.
In the past two decades or more, every defending champions have the right to be qualified automatically but that rule changed way back 2006 before the FIFA 2026 commenced.

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