FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 214.

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Quote from: shogun47 on June 25, 2023, 12:42:51 PM

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Every decision he makes must come with risks, be it big or small risks. and I agree with you on this even though he talks about family as the reason, it doesn't guarantee whether that's the only reason, and maybe there are other reasons that are more private and can't be published.
And also I agree with you, he took a risk too when he went to Miami, because maybe there were expectations pinned on him that if those expectations couldn't be met then it would turn someone who values him into hate. As happened to him before at Paris Saint Germain.

I wouldn't think he is taking any more risks than he did before in his career. He himself said that it is finally the time to relay and play soccer without pressure. I think that says a lot about the risk and pressure he is going to face. It won't be big. He will still play excellently and the crowd will enjoy him. I can understand how he is looking forward to this.

My guess is that he has deep business involvement in the US considering that Apple and Adidas are also involved in the deal between him and Inter Miami. He wants more time to be dedicated to his family and business besides playing soccer. The national team would be traveling around the globe and he said he wants to take a break for 2023? Or for a fully year? I am not sure about that but in about a year there is the Copa America and if he is in shape I doubt that whoever is the coach would not ask him to come and play. However, if Messi likes his new life and doesn't want any more pressure than necessary, it is also possible that he will say goodbye then to the national team.

As I said before, we know what other reasons are behind his decision, and that is indeed his right. If you feel that there is a business behind his decision, then that is very reasonable because he will definitely think about business when he really quits the world of football.
Precisely this is a great step for a player to do something that will make money when he retires from football. and it seems that all the players do this too, yes they start pioneering careers in business to prepare everything they need in old age. And with the great name he has of course it helps him in developing and realizing it.

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I always found it a bit weird to calculate how much Qatar spent on the cup because technically speaking they didn't spend that much on the cup but on the nation. Like they included every road, hospital, hotel, school, houses, and of course stadiums. Now I can understand stadiums, maybe hotels could make "some" sense, but when we are talking about roads? Really? I have seen they had a line that said 1.3 billion on the roads, come on man if you didn't had that specific road then you should have and don't include that.

I think it's overblown and they added every single thing that is possible into the calculation and made a wrong one. That way it looked so high that they actually deserved to get it but I feel like they didn't deserve it at all.

Spending on infrastructure for the country really can not be considered spending on hosting the World Cup, but if this infrastructure is redundant at normal times (when there is no influx of tourists)? After all, before the World Cup, I didn't hear that there was a shortage of roads, electricity, hospitals or anything like that in Qatar. This means that additional spending on infrastructure was necessary and they can still be taken into account as spending on holding the World Cup.

There is some natural limit to the infrastructure requirements for a country of the size of Qatar. But if a small country like that hosts a World Cup and wants to impress the worldwide audience, there is no need to say that they are spending a lot of money that they would not spend on infrastructure otherwise. They are not hosting a World Cup every few years and would need additional infrastructure permanently. KTChampions correctly said that there was no shortage of anything that was publicly talked about and yet they spent hundreds of billions toward infrastructure upgrades and improvements. Workers began dismantling stadiums in December 2022 already and while there is no need to dismantle any additional streets, it doesn't mean that new streets or hotels still have been built for the only purpose to serve guests during the World Cup.

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 25, 2023, 10:10:15 AM

I always found it a bit weird to calculate how much Qatar spent on the cup because technically speaking they didn't spend that much on the cup but on the nation. Like they included every road, hospital, hotel, school, houses, and of course stadiums. Now I can understand stadiums, maybe hotels could make "some" sense, but when we are talking about roads? Really? I have seen they had a line that said 1.3 billion on the roads, come on man if you didn't had that specific road then you should have and don't include that.

I think it's overblown and they added every single thing that is possible into the calculation and made a wrong one. That way it looked so high that they actually deserved to get it but I feel like they didn't deserve it at all.

Spending on infrastructure for the country really can not be considered spending on hosting the World Cup, but if this infrastructure is redundant at normal times (when there is no influx of tourists)? After all, before the World Cup, I didn't hear that there was a shortage of roads, electricity, hospitals or anything like that in Qatar. This means that additional spending on infrastructure was necessary and they can still be taken into account as spending on holding the World Cup.

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 25, 2023, 10:10:15 AM

I always found it a bit weird to calculate how much Qatar spent on the cup because technically speaking they didn't spend that much on the cup but on the nation. Like they included every road, hospital, hotel, school, houses, and of course stadiums. Now I can understand stadiums, maybe hotels could make "some" sense, but when we are talking about roads? Really? I have seen they had a line that said 1.3 billion on the roads, come on man if you didn't had that specific road then you should have and don't include that.

I think it's overblown and they added every single thing that is possible into the calculation and made a wrong one. That way it looked so high that they actually deserved to get it but I feel like they didn't deserve it at all.

They really spent this huge amount of money because they didn't have enough facilities for the world cup and they were not ready for it all, in fact, Qatar spent money to build what they never had before and they wanted to build it perfectly.
While other countries when were chosen to host the world cup they could even spend more than Qatar but they were wise enough to avoid spending this huge amount of money and just like America and Canada for the next world cup in 2026.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on June 23, 2023, 12:11:54 PM

Agree, nothing positive happen for the game of soccer or for the soccer in Qatar as this was completely waste of money and show of money which have to stop, and same mentality is going to Saudi Arab campaign which are now looking for hosting this event in 2030 even I have been feeling it's not easy for them but as Qatar done things like this can create momentum for them as well because we all know how corrupt is FIFA which is having not good history for things like these.

These number are not a big deal for Qatar and they do have the ability to spend that much finances. The World Cup is a football event that many countries have been waiting for and Qatar also knows they can do business by hosting them, because there is no target whatsoever from football results for their national team. So I think it's purely business that they are trying to capitalize on and we can also see how lavishly they prepared the event.

Quote from: SirLancelot on June 23, 2023, 12:11:54 PM

With now, we are already had increase in teams and three countries are going to host is another good chapter because with these things could be much better and easy to manage for many countries now in the USA we will have better facilities and quality as well which could be good for the soccer fans.

Maybe the United States' ability to prepare for the next World Cup will not be much different from Qatar and they will also try to do something more organized like what Qatar did, but it looks like the amount of budget that will be spent will not exceed Qatar. Every country that gets the chance to be the host will definitely be competing to make something different from the previous World Cup.

Facilities, safety and quality of service are the first needs that must be considered and this is something that is very important to ensure. Because If failing to do so will have a big impact on the host and I believe the United States is much better prepared in these three respects.

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Quote from: Frankolala on June 24, 2023, 01:35:05 PM

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The US has all it takes to host the world cup. They have quality facilities,tight security and good infrastructures, which makes them far better than Qatar. US will spend less because they will only have few things to put in place.

The problem is that the country us already populated and might make them reduce the number of fans that they will grant access to the country for the world cup. One thing I know is that it will be well organized and people will complain less and will feel happy because it has been so many people dreams to be in the US,and I think that the world cup will be a good opportunity.

Undoubtedly, the U.S. with its top-notch infrastructure seems an ideal World Cup host. Yet, aren't the intricacies of such a prestigious gig more than just amenities? Cultural and social facets matter too.

Given our current demographic and immigration policies, could there be a cap on fan inflow? Yet, America's cultural mosaic may promise a one-of-a-kind, inclusive World Cup. And, we've showcased adeptness in managing big-ticket international events.

Still, lets not forget, hosting is not merely about national prestige or a tourist surge. It's a significant investment needing meticulous planning. Could it strain resources and services? Hence, a well-rounded strategy ensuring the pros eclipse the costs and potential hiccups is imperative.

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Left three years before FIFA World Cup 2026 start and all possibilities happening for Lionel Messi, actually right now he not plays on higher level competition by joining Inter Miami FC are playing in MLS League. But who has accurate predicting with Lionel Messi will back to Europe competition after his contract over with Inter Miami? Messi has chance for playing in FIFA World Cup 2026. Its not final decision when Lionel Messi announce him self retired from national teams, he has made many time announcement when Argentina loss in Copa America final but few months later he return back playing for national teams.

Messi has completed achievement with Argentina, won Copa America and World Cup seems enough for him but I believe before retired from football he want to play last participant in FIFA World Cup 2026.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 25, 2023, 08:05:09 AM

Every decision he makes must come with risks, be it big or small risks. and I agree with you on this even though he talks about family as the reason, it doesn't guarantee whether that's the only reason, and maybe there are other reasons that are more private and can't be published.
And also I agree with you, he took a risk too when he went to Miami, because maybe there were expectations pinned on him that if those expectations couldn't be met then it would turn someone who values him into hate. As happened to him before at Paris Saint Germain.

I wouldn't think he is taking any more risks than he did before in his career. He himself said that it is finally the time to relay and play soccer without pressure. I think that says a lot about the risk and pressure he is going to face. It won't be big. He will still play excellently and the crowd will enjoy him. I can understand how he is looking forward to this.

My guess is that he has deep business involvement in the US considering that Apple and Adidas are also involved in the deal between him and Inter Miami. He wants more time to be dedicated to his family and business besides playing soccer. The national team would be traveling around the globe and he said he wants to take a break for 2023? Or for a fully year? I am not sure about that but in about a year there is the Copa America and if he is in shape I doubt that whoever is the coach would not ask him to come and play. However, if Messi likes his new life and doesn't want any more pressure than necessary, it is also possible that he will say goodbye then to the national team.

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Quote from: Strongkored on June 25, 2023, 09:50:10 AM

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Every decision he makes must come with risks, be it big or small risks. and I agree with you on this even though he talks about family as the reason, it doesn't guarantee whether that's the only reason, and maybe there are other reasons that are more private and can't be published.
And also I agree with you, he took a risk too when he went to Miami, because maybe there were expectations pinned on him that if those expectations couldn't be met then it would turn someone who values him into hate. As happened to him before at Paris Saint Germain.

If I'm not mistaken, he also stated that he had resigned from the Argentine national team when he failed in the Copa America final a few years ago, but he returned and the situation was certainly different because at that time he was still under 30 years old, so it was difficult for the Argentine coach not to call him back into the national team, it seems that the problems at PSG and the issue of the possibility that he will return to Barcelona are quite draining of his emotions, because it is reported that he really wants to return to his old club but his decision to go to Inter Miami certainly has a reason and also the decision to resign from the national team, and he is one the only one who knows the real reason.

Yes, you're right, a few years ago he also wanted to retire from the Argentina national team, and that became a subject of discussion because many said his intention was because he failed to execute a penalty (if I'm not mistaken) and made a lot of criticism that came to him for not being had a strong mentality at that time.
But of course now it will be very much different, because he has got everything in football, starting from individual titles and the title that many players want, namely to win the World Cup.

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I always found it a bit weird to calculate how much Qatar spent on the cup because technically speaking they didn't spend that much on the cup but on the nation. Like they included every road, hospital, hotel, school, houses, and of course stadiums. Now I can understand stadiums, maybe hotels could make "some" sense, but when we are talking about roads? Really? I have seen they had a line that said 1.3 billion on the roads, come on man if you didn't had that specific road then you should have and don't include that.

I think it's overblown and they added every single thing that is possible into the calculation and made a wrong one. That way it looked so high that they actually deserved to get it but I feel like they didn't deserve it at all.

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Messi said the completed football which is absolutely right but he said after winning WC , that he has one small dream to achieve : to play at next WC being the world cup winner and he already made step nr 1 by transfer to Miami and be ready for 2026 so he only needs to wait for step 2 which is just letting time to pass and enjoy playing in USA as much as he can without getting any ugly injuries.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 25, 2023, 08:05:09 AM

Every decision he makes must come with risks, be it big or small risks. and I agree with you on this even though he talks about family as the reason, it doesn't guarantee whether that's the only reason, and maybe there are other reasons that are more private and can't be published.
And also I agree with you, he took a risk too when he went to Miami, because maybe there were expectations pinned on him that if those expectations couldn't be met then it would turn someone who values him into hate. As happened to him before at Paris Saint Germain.

If I'm not mistaken, he also stated that he had resigned from the Argentine national team when he failed in the Copa America final a few years ago, but he returned and the situation was certainly different because at that time he was still under 30 years old, so it was difficult for the Argentine coach not to call him back into the national team, it seems that the problems at PSG and the issue of the possibility that he will return to Barcelona are quite draining of his emotions, because it is reported that he really wants to return to his old club but his decision to go to Inter Miami certainly has a reason and also the decision to resign from the national team, and he is one the only one who knows the real reason.

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Quote from: shogun47 on June 25, 2023, 04:35:17 AM

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Today I saw this news about Messi and it shocked me, Since Messi made his division and accepted the offer from Inter Maimi to have a safe and happy life in America with his family and take some rest there, he is even going to quit the international team to take a rest for some time, however, this can be temporary but we are not sure yet if Scaloni will accept this because he is surely socked from this desition.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12230527/Lionel-Messi-quit-international-duty-Argentina-YEAR.html

This is a result of his achievements. No other player could afford to do that without getting kicked out from the national team I guess. It is not up to me to have an opinion on that as he probably has his reasons. They could be manyfold.When an article says it is because of his family that doesn't mean that must be the only reason. But I think coming back from such a break can be both a blessing and a curse. It depends on the first one or two games then and whether he is the Messi people expect him to be for the team. If he fails, he would even have to expect disrespect.

Every decision he makes must come with risks, be it big or small risks. and I agree with you on this even though he talks about family as the reason, it doesn't guarantee whether that's the only reason, and maybe there are other reasons that are more private and can't be published.
And also I agree with you, he took a risk too when he went to Miami, because maybe there were expectations pinned on him that if those expectations couldn't be met then it would turn someone who values him into hate. As happened to him before at Paris Saint Germain.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 25, 2023, 04:20:24 AM

Today I saw this news about Messi and it shocked me, Since Messi made his division and accepted the offer from Inter Maimi to have a safe and happy life in America with his family and take some rest there, he is even going to quit the international team to take a rest for some time, however, this can be temporary but we are not sure yet if Scaloni will accept this because he is surely socked from this desition.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12230527/Lionel-Messi-quit-international-duty-Argentina-YEAR.html

This is a result of his achievements. No other player could afford to do that without getting kicked out from the national team I guess. It is not up to me to have an opinion on that as he probably has his reasons. They could be manyfold.When an article says it is because of his family that doesn't mean that must be the only reason. But I think coming back from such a break can be both a blessing and a curse. It depends on the first one or two games then and whether he is the Messi people expect him to be for the team. If he fails, he would even have to expect disrespect.

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Today I saw this news about Messi and it shocked me, Since Messi made his division and accepted the offer from Inter Maimi to have a safe and happy life in America with his family and take some rest there, he is even going to quit the international team to take a rest for some time, however, this can be temporary but we are not sure yet if Scaloni will accept this because he is surely socked from this desition.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12230527/Lionel-Messi-quit-international-duty-Argentina-YEAR.html

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Quote from: Frankolala on June 24, 2023, 01:35:05 PM

The US has all it takes to host the world cup. They have quality facilities,tight security and good infrastructures, which makes them far better than Qatar. US will spend less because they will only have few things to put in place.

This is going to be a very big world cup with more teams than the usual number. Games will not only be played in The United States but also extending to Canada and Mexico for some games. Soccer is not very popular in the United States, this world cup that they have been given the rights to host will change all that. Soccer will become as popular as football and Basketball.

In terms of Logistics to handle and ensure that the tournament goes smoothly, the United States will not have a problem, and they are very capable of hosting a tournament that will be remembered

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United States will be hosting about 80% of the matches so this argument of three countries hosting the world cup is not entirely true. And regarding the number of teams, it was long due. With the current format, the UEFA teams are over-represented in the FIFA World Cup. During the 1990s, it was justifiable, because back then the Asian and African teams were unable to compete against the UEFA teams. But now the situation has changed completely. AFC and CAF teams are giving good fight to the UEFA and CONMEBOL teams and this was very evident during the 2022 FIFA World Cup.

True, and the reason for the United States to host most of the games are mainly that the United States but much more facilities and potential to host the world cup than other countries, United States got enough hotels and stadiums to even host the world cup by itself alone.
Regarding AFC and CAF teams I think they have improved themselves a lot in the other hand in the 2022 world cup many European teams had bad performances and they let these teams have the opportunity to show better performance.

They have a lot of money as well, sure Canada is not a poor nation but not as rich as USA, and I am not even going to talk about Mexico, they are very poor. All in all Mexico is dangerous as well, they are known to be cartel land and there are a lot of people who would not want to go there just because of that reason, whereas when we are talking about USA, even though there could be some robbers and such on the street, that would be mainly pick pockets, not a lot of people would be in danger of losing their life.

Unless some mad gunman ends up shooting everyone, those kinds of stuff do happen at USA, that's one risk that you need to just take, but I bet that cops there will prevent anyone like that during that period and not allow such embarrassment.

Yes, they have lots of money like many other countries but having lots of money can't love lots of problems for the world cup, you just saw in the Qatar world cup they spend lots of money and in the end, many people were unhappy about their hosting services, I think America got enough money to spend even more than Qatar but the thing about America is the country they know how to host a great event even without spending money like Qatar.

The US has all it takes to host the world cup. They have quality facilities,tight security and good infrastructures, which makes them far better than Qatar. US will spend less because they will only have few things to put in place.

The problem is that the country us already populated and might make them reduce the number of fans that they will grant access to the country for the world cup. One thing I know is that it will be well organized and people will complain less and will feel happy because it has been so many people dreams to be in the US,and I think that the world cup will be a good opportunity.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 24, 2023, 12:31:45 PM

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People blame Qatar for spending money and for the rules, they had for the visitors like none could have freedom because of their rules about Alcohol and other special Islamic rules they made for their country. But the fact about Qatar is they are not guilty of it and that's all because FIFA made a bad decision by choosing this country to host the world cup while FIFA knows they don't have enough potential for it.

There is nothing bad, Qatar gave every football audience the comfort of being in their home country. The laws have been relaxed and specific arrangements were done for alcohol consumption and smoking. Just because Qatar hosted the FIFA 2023 big thing happened in most of the football audience from the third world country. Just because Qatar hosted, many were able to watch the matches reaching the ground. The only flaw with Qatar is the accidents caused during the construction and the committee isn't ready to reveal the number of deaths and the compensation to the families.

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Quote from: rdluffy on June 23, 2023, 03:11:14 PM

A news I just read, the United States will also host the 2025 Club World Cup with the new format, similar to the 32-team world cup.

This greatly reinforces the idea that the United States is investing heavily in soccer
Now the schedule will look like this:
2024 Copa America
2025 Club World Cup
2026 World Cup

In my opinion, all this experience that they will acquire with the two championships, has everything to become a World Cup VERY well organized and with as few problems as possible.
The United States should also evolve a lot the level of their soccer in general, both in MLS and the national team itself. It seems that FIFA itself wants it too, because if soccer is more popular over there, they can make a lot of money, it's probably the best place right now to take opportunities.
It will be very interesting to follow

For those who want to know more and confirm the news, you can see it here: https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/united-states-host-expanded-club-world-cup-2025-fifa-2023-06-23/

Its good experienced for United State after becoming host for FIFA Club World Cup 2025 or one year left before FIFA World Cup 2026, United State has start how to make football popular there after signing Lionel Messi will play for Inter Miami on MLS League. Football America most popular there than soccer and I think need promoting and MLS League should be popular than other favorite sport in United State, but if less fans watching when FIFA Club World Cup 2025 I don't sure how excited or atmosphere United State as the host for World Cup.

Last edition in Qatar have been amazing all matched from group stage full by supporter and seems there how Qatar have good promoting and make fans excited for watching in stadium.

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Yes, they have lots of money like many other countries but having lots of money can't love lots of problems for the world cup, you just saw in the Qatar world cup they spend lots of money and in the end, many people were unhappy about their hosting services, I think America got enough money to spend even more than Qatar but the thing about America is the country they know how to host a great event even without spending money like Qatar.

"Spending money" doesn't alone guarantee good results. According to reports, Qataris spent somewhere between $250 billion and $300 billion for hosting the FIFA World Cup in 2022. This is almost 10 times when compared to the amount spent by Russia to host the 2018 edition. And I am sure that the cost of costing the 2026 World Cup would also be much smaller when compared to that for Qatar. But then, most of the money spent was used to showoff the wealth rather than to create facilities for the players and fans. In the end, the fans were unhappy about overpriced facilities with low quality.

We cannot deny that the World Cup in Qatar was an unprecedented event, never before had a country spent so much money on this FIFA event. However, I disagree that the logistics were bad, what I have seen the most is that despite the high costs for the fans, the internal logistics were very good to watch the 2022 World Cup games. it won the fourth highest average audience in history, I think the post-covid period and the need for people to leave their homes and go on a trip helped a lot with that.

On the other hand, it did have many complaints, especially for the treatment given to the LGBT+ community, prejudice against women and also much of the deaths of immigrant workers.

Canada, Mexico and the United States have the important mission of making the 2026 World Cup better, showing that it is possible to do more with much less money.
I believe that the distance between the stadiums will be the main problem, I hope that the three countries manage to prepare good internal logistics to facilitate this movement.

People blame Qatar for spending money and for the rules, they had for the visitors like none could have freedom because of their rules about Alcohol and other special Islamic rules they made for their country. But the fact about Qatar is they are not guilty of it and that's all because FIFA made a bad decision by choosing this country to host the world cup while FIFA knows they don't have enough potential for it.

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