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Quote from: Luke-Jr on April 11, 2013, 07:50:01 PM

Quote from: niner on April 05, 2013, 10:03:42 PM

bitbet.us had almost the same bet and it was not a "push".
http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/

Turns out bitbet.us may actually be in the wrong here! My Little Single is getting 29.4 Gh/s with a firmware update.
In their defense, the bet could be argued to require +/- 10% as delivered (eg, disqualifying firmware updates), but if this performance issue had merely been my software, they'd have defrauded people...

you sure say some stupid things. You may have a unit, but the bet was for BFL to ship out units to customers. Which they failed to do..

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on April 11, 2013, 07:50:01 PM

Quote from: niner on April 05, 2013, 10:03:42 PM

bitbet.us had almost the same bet and it was not a "push".
http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/

Turns out bitbet.us may actually be in the wrong here! My Little Single is getting 29.4 Gh/s with a firmware update.
In their defense, the bet could be argued to require +/- 10% as delivered (eg, disqualifying firmware updates), but if this performance issue had merely been my software, they'd have defrauded people...

I think you are over complicating it..... The bet has got nothing to do with performance as BFL themselves say on their website that their asic devices are in the final production stage and that delivery is scheduled to start in the second half of April.....

So there has been no delivery of asic devices by BFL yet.... Not to you and not to anyone else....

So the answer to that particular bet is NO

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Quote from: niner on April 05, 2013, 10:03:42 PM

bitbet.us had almost the same bet and it was not a "push".
http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/

Turns out bitbet.us may actually be in the wrong here! My Little Single is getting 29.4 Gh/s with a firmware update.
In their defense, the bet could be argued to require +/- 10% as delivered (eg, disqualifying firmware updates), but if this performance issue had merely been my software, they'd have defrauded people...

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Quote from: creativex on April 11, 2013, 06:10:43 PM

Quote from: ionux on April 11, 2013, 06:00:39 PM

Quote from: seljo on April 11, 2013, 06:24:44 AM

So my order number - 7098... when you think I will take pictures of my ASIC in action?

February 29th. Roll Eyes

2015?

And by then you will mine as much BTC with SC single as you can with your netbook cpu now! Sweet dreams Grin

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Quote from: ionux on April 11, 2013, 06:00:39 PM

Quote from: seljo on April 11, 2013, 06:24:44 AM

So my order number - 7098... when you think I will take pictures of my ASIC in action?

February 29th. Roll Eyes

2015?

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Quote from: seljo on April 11, 2013, 06:24:44 AM

So my order number - 7098... when you think I will take pictures of my ASIC in action?

February 29th. Roll Eyes

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So my order number - 7098... when you think I will take pictures of my ASIC in action?

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Quote from: DrG on April 10, 2013, 04:07:16 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on April 09, 2013, 11:47:04 PM

Quote from: DrG on April 09, 2013, 11:37:29 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on April 09, 2013, 02:40:32 PM

Quote from: Nemesis on April 09, 2013, 02:35:57 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on April 09, 2013, 02:32:17 PM

I know this is a little off topic but can anyone tell me what is on grnbg's head in that photo he has in all his posts on the BFL site?

Du-Rag!

I know that, but is it just me or does it look like R2 D2?

R2D2

are you correcting my spelling or telling me I am not insane and this BFL cheering canuck has a beanie on his head to make him look like R2D2?

You're not insane, I think it's R2D2

I cannot wait for the court tv testimony if this turns out to be fraud.
"but even after waiting a year of being told your order would ship next month, you still kept waiting and you actually bought more with "coupons" you were given"
"Yes, because it was not just them telling me this was a real money printing machine but also grnbrg"
"Grnbrg? You mean the grown man from Canada with the R2D2 head?"

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Quote from: Minor Miner on April 09, 2013, 11:47:04 PM

Quote from: DrG on April 09, 2013, 11:37:29 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on April 09, 2013, 02:40:32 PM

Quote from: Nemesis on April 09, 2013, 02:35:57 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on April 09, 2013, 02:32:17 PM

I know this is a little off topic but can anyone tell me what is on grnbg's head in that photo he has in all his posts on the BFL site?

Du-Rag!

I know that, but is it just me or does it look like R2 D2?

R2D2

are you correcting my spelling or telling me I am not insane and this BFL cheering canuck has a beanie on his head to make him look like R2D2?

You're not insane, I think it's R2D2

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Quote from: greyhawk on April 10, 2013, 11:11:22 AM

Quote from: Minor Miner on April 10, 2013, 11:01:17 AM

And, people will not be as stupid in the future which is a good thing too.

That won't happen.

OK, the SAME people who have been burned will not be AS stupid as they were. Better? Hopefully, those people will jump in on gox and spend their student loan money (yes that seems to be the source of many BFL pre-orders) and squeeze a constrained float F/X higher.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on April 10, 2013, 11:01:17 AM

And, people will not be as stupid in the future which is a good thing too.

That won't happen.

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Quote from: Bogart on April 10, 2013, 01:54:13 AM

Quote from: yxt on April 09, 2013, 12:11:06 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 09, 2013, 11:40:13 AM

I truly hope they ship and soon, because BFL failing huge (not just being late) is going to be detrimental to everyone.

I do not agree. The arrogant tramps should perish

I've heard this said many times now (the top quote).

I'm curious. Just what would the detrimental effect be to non-customers?

As a miner with a substantial investment in mining gear already in my possession and operating, BFL failing to deliver would be of great benefit to me, as my existing rigs would get to keep a larger share of the hash pie.

There will be a POSITITVE effect to every one else in the mining business. A huge amount of capital that would have went into increasing the HR would have been removed from competition and you will enjoy a far greater return in the near term than you would. The scandal will not hurt BTC in valuation.
So, there is NO negative. And, people will not be as stupid in the future which is a good thing too.

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This is where the argument can get confusing for some. The issue isn't "Will they ever ship, EVER", it's "will the highly speculative product be worth the risk after all the gold has already been mined?

Implies bitoin failure Wink

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Quote from: kano on April 10, 2013, 05:24:59 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 08, 2013, 11:31:20 AM

Quote from: BR0KK on April 08, 2013, 11:30:01 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on April 08, 2013, 11:07:57 AM

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It's going to be fucking hilarious in 6 months when they finally ship.

you do not see a problem with 6 month from now?

This is where the argument can get confusing for some. The issue isn't "Will they ever ship, EVER", it's "will the highly speculative product be worth the risk after all the gold has already been mined?".
...

Bitcoin is going to fail in 6 months?
Why do you say that?

no one said it will fail ... he said it will ship ...

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 08, 2013, 11:31:20 AM

Quote from: BR0KK on April 08, 2013, 11:30:01 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on April 08, 2013, 11:07:57 AM

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It's going to be fucking hilarious in 6 months when they finally ship.

you do not see a problem with 6 month from now?

This is where the argument can get confusing for some. The issue isn't "Will they ever ship, EVER", it's "will the highly speculative product be worth the risk after all the gold has already been mined?".
...

Bitcoin is going to fail in 6 months?
Why do you say that?

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Quote from: opentoe on April 09, 2013, 11:59:19 PM

Send them a letter from your lawyers office. If they can't produce something you paid for (refunds or not) you are entitled to your money back. That's a serious crime if an online company just takes money from people then does not supply customer's with refunds upon request because there is no product. I can see if the customer just purchased it, and even three weeks down the road...but when you are talking about months and months then that's pretty much a given. ANY office unofficial or not will side with you on this one.

Are lawyers that cheap in the US? From the bASIC thread I have numbers in the area of 100-250 USD per hour in mind. Is BFL is required to pay my lawyer if my request is valid? Otherwise this option makes no sense.

Another option seems to be a to file a consumer protection complaint. But that seems to be lost time if I take the case of Trendon Shavers as a reference. I have the feeling that this small business stuff in the US is like the wild west. If your business partner turns out to be a crook, your only chance is to go, shoot him and take your money.

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on April 09, 2013, 01:47:34 PM

Quote from: KGambler on April 09, 2013, 01:45:38 PM

April 9th and no one else has "received" a BFL ASIC???

Luke, what are we to think?

As far as I'm aware, BFL is waiting until a hardware revision is done to improve power usage before delivering any more.
I want the rest of my order just as much as anyone else Tongue

Laughable. Are we going to have a BET on that?

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Quote from: yxt on April 09, 2013, 12:11:06 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 09, 2013, 11:40:13 AM

I truly hope they ship and soon, because BFL failing huge (not just being late) is going to be detrimental to everyone.

I do not agree. The arrogant tramps should perish

I've heard this said many times now (the top quote).

I'm curious. Just what would the detrimental effect be to non-customers?

As a miner with a substantial investment in mining gear already in my possession and operating, BFL failing to deliver would be of great benefit to me, as my existing rigs would get to keep a larger share of the hash pie.

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Quote from: opentoe on April 10, 2013, 12:11:14 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 08, 2013, 11:31:20 AM

Quote from: BR0KK on April 08, 2013, 11:30:01 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on April 08, 2013, 11:07:57 AM

Quote from: marra on April 08, 2013, 10:58:41 AM

Shame on BFL

I'm not BFL you moron.

Quote from: marra on April 08, 2013, 10:58:41 AM

all you do over here is posting profanity

All you do is repeat the same red text saying "there's no confirmation" despite there being moderate levels of confirmation. Enough "confirmation" for a criminal trial? Fuck no, but the preponderance of the evidence points to real but shitty ASICs.

Quote from: marra on April 08, 2013, 10:58:41 AM

still no confirmation of a working asic product

It's going to be fucking hilarious in 6 months when they finally ship.

you do not see a problem with 6 month from now?

This is where the argument can get confusing for some. The issue isn't "Will they ever ship, EVER", it's "will the highly speculative product be worth the risk after all the gold has already been mined?".

They advertised made-to-order shovels, but they're waiting until after the gold rush is over to provide them it seems.

That's why I suggested in the beginning of March we should do this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-not-we-all-request-refunds-on-a-mass-level-power-in-the-people-151619

And yes, I've already got my refund from the two orders I had. Too bad I didn't leave them in a wallet long enough. I would have never thought over $240 for bitcoin.

For God's sake, quit broadcasting the exchange rate, for if you add three zeros to any rate amount, then add a few more coins, you'll get idea on what some idiot maybe lost at InstaWallet.

Back on-topic: I don't remember seeing an FCC on the first ASIC shipped to Luke. Maybe it's on the bottom. I wonder if Steven saw any FCC tags in the back room last time he was there. Instead of going back to see, he could send a memo to the staff asking them if they've seen any. Maybe the subject will come up during the next party when the entire staff is in one room of their mega-size facility.

Maybe a phone once or twice a week to A. L. Huber's office is warranted just to make sure they're still there. We don't have a clue that they are even still there since Luke left. Case in point, Ken is no longer at the dealership in Australia.

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Personal text my ass....

Quote from: Luke-Jr on April 09, 2013, 01:47:34 PM

Quote from: KGambler on April 09, 2013, 01:45:38 PM

April 9th and no one else has "received" a BFL ASIC???

Luke, what are we to think?

As far as I'm aware, BFL is waiting until a hardware revision is done to improve power usage before delivering any more.
I want the rest of my order just as much as anyone else Tongue

"delivering any more"

BFL has delivered ASIC units to customers? I haven't seen on post on here about it.

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