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donator
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April 04, 2013, 01:57:21 PM
Any betting house who questions that BFL has NOT shipped to customers is in my blacklist.

The product is not finished. End of story. With judgement like that I can only assume they are corrupt.
+1
Boycott BoB

Boycott BoB, BFL, and Luke Jr.

I like Luke Jr. though.   I think he is being misled, I do not think he is part of the BFL scheme.

Likewise. Luke is sound. Sometimes a bit nutty, but honest and intelligent.
hero member
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April 04, 2013, 01:56:51 PM
Yeah, boycott me because I got a device I paid for. Makes so much sense.

Do you agree that the bet was lost?

Like I said, I'll probably have them ship it to me when the rest of my order is ready to go as well. I certainly prefer they NOT ship it until at least the next difficulty adjustment Wink

Well he agrees it wasn't "shipped" straight from the horses mouth. Cheesy

It never left the BFL building, "co-location" was not the bet.
tbd
newbie
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April 04, 2013, 01:54:52 PM
Yeah, boycott me because I got a device I paid for. Makes so much sense.


You have repeatedly made statements, perhaps unintentionally, that are misleading.  Such as implying (and updating the Wiki) that BFL is shipping ASIC based devices, when their own website lists them as not shipping until the end of April.  No individual unaffiliated with BFL has received a device, and as you are compensated by BFL you are hardly impartial.

Can you provide a dated invoice for your order, or other proof of payment?
legendary
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Be A Digital Miner
April 04, 2013, 01:54:35 PM
Any betting house who questions that BFL has NOT shipped to customers is in my blacklist.

The product is not finished. End of story. With judgement like that I can only assume they are corrupt.
+1
Boycott BoB

Boycott BoB, BFL, and Luke Jr.

I like Luke Jr. though.   I think he is being misled, I do not think he is part of the BFL scheme.
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Hero VIP ultra official trusted super staff puppet
April 04, 2013, 01:52:46 PM
Yeah, boycott me because I got a device I paid for. Makes so much sense.

Do you agree that the bet was lost?
legendary
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April 04, 2013, 01:48:38 PM
Yeah, boycott me because I got a device I paid for. Makes so much sense.
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April 04, 2013, 01:47:08 PM
sr. member
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April 04, 2013, 01:46:08 PM
Any betting house who questions that BFL has NOT shipped to customers is in my blacklist.

The product is not finished. End of story. With judgement like that I can only assume they are corrupt.
+1
Boycott BoB

Boycott BoB, BFL, and Luke Jr.
full member
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April 04, 2013, 01:42:22 PM
Any betting house who questions that BFL has NOT shipped to customers is in my blacklist.

The product is not finished. End of story. With judgement like that I can only assume they are corrupt.
+1
Boycott BoB
tbd
newbie
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April 04, 2013, 01:40:40 PM
Companies do crazy things to claim to "ship" products.

A long time ago, Miniscribe, a Colorado hard drive manufacturer, shipped bricks (yes, bricks) as hard drives:
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In mid-December 1987, Miniscribe's management, with Wiles' approval and Schleibaum's assistance, engaged in an extensive cover-up which included recording the shipment of bricks as in-transit inventory. To implement the plan, Miniscribe employees first rented an empty warehouse in Boulder, Colorado, and procured ten, forty-eight foot exclusive-use trailers. They then purchased 26,000 bricks from the Colorado Brick Company.

On Saturday, December 18, 1987, Schleibaum, Taranta, Huff, Lorea and others gathered at the warehouse. Wiles did not attend. From early morning to late afternoon, those present loaded the bricks onto pallets, shrink wrapped the pallets, and boxed them. The weight of each brick pallet approximated the weight of a pallet of disk drives. The brick pallets then were loaded onto the trailers and taken to a farm in Larimer County, Colorado.

Unsurprisingly, they went bankrupt.

https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/102/102.F3d.1043.94-1592.95-1022.html
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April 04, 2013, 01:23:09 PM
If you think that an unfinished product can be "shipped" you must be brain damaged or trolling.
SimCity?

Shipping a defective product is not the same as shipping an unfinished one to get it finished  Tongue

Luke is not a final customer. Although he might be one in the future.
Not to get too far afield, but shipping an unfinished product just to get it "finished" / meet a deadline is EXACTLY what happened in SimCity's case, as far as I can tell.

But they were able to claim it shipped.

My point is that you don't have to be 'brain damaged or trolling' to call the shipping of something that "only marginally qualifies as ready" as "shipping."  Companies much larger than BFL have been doing it for decades.

To be clear, I'm not taking a side here, just trying to call out the hyperbole a bit.  But then, this is probably the wrong thread for that.

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April 04, 2013, 11:51:57 AM
Hey Nathan, which BFL product did you order?

The 25 GH machine or the 50 GH machine?
donator
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April 04, 2013, 11:49:48 AM
If you think that an unfinished product can be "shipped" you must be brain damaged or trolling.
SimCity?

Shipping a defective product is not the same as shipping an unfinished one to get it finished  Tongue

Luke is not a final customer. Although he might be one in the future.
legendary
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April 04, 2013, 09:38:59 AM
If you think that an unfinished product can be "shipped" you must be brain damaged or trolling.
SimCity?

Or really any game / application / operating system / other software ever...even hardware isn't totally perfected at times..hence later renditions of it.

Anyway..I like how this thread has grown by 100% since I was last here. Just to throw in my 2 Satoshis on the previous bet discussion, since the title does count towards the 'betting contract' as coinjedi admitted, then the bet is clearly true. At that point I don't see any way around it, and calling it a draw shouldn't have happened.

Back on topic: Luke, while you were there did you overhear / encounter any other issues besides those relating to power (if you can tell us)? Just wondering if there are other problems with the chips or boards that I get to wait another 6 months for them to resolve...
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April 04, 2013, 09:29:53 AM
If you think that an unfinished product can be "shipped" you must be brain damaged or trolling.
SimCity?
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April 04, 2013, 08:19:20 AM
If you think that an unfinished product can be "shipped" you must be brain damaged or trolling.

God, this thread is gold. Keep the laughs coming Smiley

You are contributing greatly by being a laughingstock.

Keep up the good work.

I believe it goes both ways, yeah?

I'm going to resume laughing at Mr. it's-literally-impossible-to-ship-an-unfinished-product.
donator
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April 04, 2013, 07:46:44 AM
If you think that an unfinished product can be "shipped" you must be brain damaged or trolling.

God, this thread is gold. Keep the laughs coming Smiley

You are contributing greatly by being a laughingstock.

Keep up the good work.
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Hero VIP ultra official trusted super staff puppet
April 04, 2013, 07:39:38 AM
I hope this is investigated more and this community continues to grow more skeptical (not abusive mind you) of promise, regardless of how many fans are in a box.

Absolutely right. BTW where's your scammer Tag? IIRC you made a similar stunt like BFL with your bet?!


I'm not a scammer, just pretty naive of the consequences of my actions on occasion and was acting a bit manic at that time. I've worked and continue to work diligently to make up for my mistakes, including paying people for the bet. In hindsight, I had underestimated the greed in this community and although I did help hundreds of people learn a common sense lesson at a great personal expense, it also had the adverse effect of directing legitimate steam away from Pirate and towards me instead (angry mob-style). At the point I knew it was time to get my life together and I took a long break to do just that.

I'm less concerned with reputation on a forum than I am with the development of my own integrity and principles. When BFL starts showing that same integrity, I'll believe in them again. Right now they're starting to look like a large heist planned by Sonny. Sorry, Sonny, but that shoe is starting to look very comfy on you.
legendary
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April 04, 2013, 07:24:32 AM
I hope this is investigated more and this community continues to grow more skeptical (not abusive mind you) of promise, regardless of how many fans are in a box.

Absolutely right. BTW where's your scammer Tag? IIRC you made a similar stunt like BFL with your bet?!
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April 04, 2013, 07:21:50 AM
If you think that an unfinished product can be "shipped" you must be brain damaged or trolling.

God, this thread is gold. Keep the laughs coming Smiley
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