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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 06, 2013, 05:23:56 PM

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Quote from: thebaron on April 06, 2013, 07:40:03 AM

I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success.

Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead.

They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it.

A friend of mine spent 2800 BTC on BFL orders. Something tells me they're not going to give him a refund.

He spend an equal to $ amount did he? At which rate (just curious)?

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 06, 2013, 05:23:56 PM

Quote from: kano on April 06, 2013, 05:20:39 PM

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Quote from: thebaron on April 06, 2013, 07:40:03 AM

I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success.

Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead.

They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it.

A friend of mine spent 2800 BTC on BFL orders. Something tells me they're not going to give him a refund.

Tell 'something' they are spreading FUD.

People have received refunds ... sometimes fast sometimes slow.

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Quote from: kano on April 06, 2013, 05:20:39 PM

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Quote from: thebaron on April 06, 2013, 07:40:03 AM

I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success.

Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead.

They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it.

A friend of mine spent 2800 BTC on BFL orders. Something tells me they're not going to give him a refund.

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Quote from: cpunks on April 06, 2013, 02:13:14 PM

Quote from: thebaron on April 06, 2013, 07:40:03 AM

I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success.

Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead.

They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it.

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offered a refund instead.

Refund? more like a pound of flesh!!

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Quote from: thebaron on April 06, 2013, 07:40:03 AM

I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success.

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If BFL delivers at all, it probably won't do so until June. That's my new prediction.

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I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

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Quote from: DPoS on April 06, 2013, 02:53:57 AM

Are you people OK with being cuckoo ?

They toss a prototype around like dough and say they deliver pizza

So that's what the reflow oven was purchased for.

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Are you people OK with being cuckoo ?

They toss a prototype around like dough and say they deliver pizza

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Quote from: yjacket on April 06, 2013, 12:52:31 AM

What I find most amusing in this whole debacle is that self proclaimed libertarians(which i am not) are calling for the use of government protections/actions to remedy their transactions with BFL. LOL, this is what the free market is.

That aside, clearly BFL lost the bet. Pedantry aside, it is ridiculous to treat a contractor in the employ of a company as though he is a customer. Stop with the IRS classifications, it is besides the point. No normal(unaffliated, or not recieving special treatment with the company) customer has recieved a product. END OF STORY

No, we are calling for company responsibility and "contracts" to be upheld. You have a very misguided idea of libertarianism if you think it means "no rules".

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What I find most amusing in this whole debacle is that self proclaimed libertarians(which i am not) are calling for the use of government protections/actions to remedy their transactions with BFL. LOL, this is what the free market is.

That aside, clearly BFL lost the bet. Pedantry aside, it is ridiculous to treat a contractor in the employ of a company as though he is a customer. Stop with the IRS classifications, it is besides the point. No normal(unaffliated, or not recieving special treatment with the company) customer has recieved a product. END OF STORY

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Opening date: Sept. 23, 2012
Bet deadline: March 4, 2013 end of day Eastern Time
Event date: April 1, 2013 end of day Eastern Time
Category: Technology
Total agree bets: 213.82
Total disagree bets: 334.53
Total weighted agree bets: 233413.233
Total weighted disagree bets: 605930.295

Since it says "April 1, 2013 end of day Eastern Time", wouldn't that give them until 23:59PM on April 1? By my estimation, they were 23 hours early. Perhaps the person who wrote the bet INTENDED to say "March 31, 2013 end of day Eastern Time" but that's not what was written.

Disclaimer: I had a bet on a different site hoping BFL would ship in March 2013. I lost that bet.

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Quote from: willphase on April 05, 2013, 05:53:30 PM

Quote from: DataPlumber on April 05, 2013, 03:25:29 PM

Might be time to lock this thread, there's been no actual new discussion for 10+ pages.

should we lock the forum too?

In Russia, forum locks you!

^ No actual new discussion.

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Quote from: DataPlumber on April 05, 2013, 03:25:29 PM

Might be time to lock this thread, there's been no actual new discussion for 10+ pages.

should we lock the forum too?

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Might be time to lock this thread, there's been no actual new discussion for 10+ pages.

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Quote from: Nemesis on April 05, 2013, 02:39:31 PM

Give this thread a rest already.

Thread discussing the bet: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinjedi-betsofbitcoin-scammers-declares-push-on-obvious-win-for-bfl-bet-165500

Poll thread about the bet outcome: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/polldid-bets-of-bitcoin-correctly-decide-bfl-will-not-ship-asic-before-april-165902

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Gosh,.... ppl still talked about the bet.

Let it go, we get it, you never win a bet altho being a true gambler.... go try casino next time. I recommend SatoshiDice.

Give this thread a rest already. Goddamn it.

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How do we know from the published picture that underneath that huge heatsink is an ASIC? There is actually no proof that the device in the picture is actually hashing what is on the screen, also there is no proof that the device is connected to that power meter. Also the next question is what is BFL shipping right now? Exactly nothing. So coinjedi aka BoB has no proof to sustain their opinion/decision so they fail such big time. Also someone else pointed that the performance vs power usage is almost like a FPGA so how can they decide an outcome of one bet without any proof? Such tard!

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Quote from: peasant on April 05, 2013, 01:22:35 PM

Quote from: SkRRJyTC on April 05, 2013, 11:17:05 AM

Quote from: Korbman on April 05, 2013, 09:23:38 AM

Quote from: SkRRJyTC on April 05, 2013, 09:18:04 AM

Shipping was not part of the contingencies of the bet.

Quote from: coinjedi on April 02, 2013, 09:12:14 PM

First of all, on our site title is definitely part of the agreement. We do not count the current status as BFL "shipping" the products

Turns out it is part of the bet, which is why I ended up switching my opinion in the end.

That was ambiguous at the time however because it also says this underneath the title:

For this statement to be false, both of the two following conditions must be met:

Condition 1
Condition 2

That clearly excludes the title.

The conditions are there to prevent BFL from shipping a box of rocks and labeling it with ASIC DEVICE. Aside from the obvious shipping issue, the information provided was not credible. Whatever credibility Luke had before went out the window with this stunt. What a sad situation. I wish this much energy was put into actually making a product instead of using it to string people along and weasel out of bets. The most recent double penetration insult of lowering the hashrate and doubling the price is just comical. I'm more glad than ever that i jumped off this train wreck in December. Cheesy

Actually the conditions are there to determine if the statement if false or not... like the first half of the sentence says.

In my mind it doesnt matter what you define shipping as, because the bet defined it for you... using the two conditions.

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