FortuneJack Casino Refuses to Pay 20 BTC Won From Jackpot! - page 11.

MadZ

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Quote from: FortuneJack on January 15, 2019, 02:31:39 AM

Quote from: Lauda on January 15, 2019, 02:24:18 AM

Quote from: FortuneJack on January 15, 2019, 02:20:09 AM

Sorry for the link issue, the link in response has now been updated and bets are now public and can be viewed on this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing

Are these all of the bets of the users made on the game?

This are bet history of player on adrenaline, wins made of the bug money. User just spinned all around x200 and to be short, incredible advantage was taken over the bug. If community wishes so, we are open to publicly post any bet history of related data as well.

What constitutes a losing bet if BPS is always positive? How do you calculate the profit/loss from each roll? Where are the other bets he made after the bugged game?

FortuneJack

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Quote from: Lauda on January 15, 2019, 02:24:18 AM

Quote from: FortuneJack on January 15, 2019, 02:20:09 AM

Sorry for the link issue, the link in response has now been updated and bets are now public and can be viewed on this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing

Are these all of the bets of the users made on the game?

This are bet history of player on adrenaline, wins made of the bug money. User just spinned all around x200 and to be short, incredible advantage was taken over the bug. If community wishes so, we are open to publicly post any bet history of related data as well.

Lauda

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Terminated.

Quote from: FortuneJack on January 15, 2019, 02:20:09 AM

Sorry for the link issue, the link in response has now been updated and bets are now public and can be viewed on this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing

Are these all of the bets of the users made on the game?

FortuneJack

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Sorry for the link issue, the link in response has now been updated and bets are now public and can be viewed on this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing

verusfides

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Quote from: verusfides on January 14, 2019, 07:58:12 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:49:54 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 06:10:01 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:00:29 PM

Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

Interesting.

First of all, I'd like FortuneJack to be a bit more transparent and make that google doc actually viewable to the public.

I think there are a few fair ways to approach this.

1. Re-evaluate his bets on non-bugged games (plinko, etc.) and treat it as if his starting balance was .009 for this series of bets. Any bet made for more than his total balance would be considered an all in. Given he said he was gambling for 8+ hours, it is possible he would've started plinko with more than .009 and still won the entire jackpot.
2. Re-evaluate his bets on non-bugged games (plinko, etc.) and treat his bets as proportional to the size of his bankroll at the time. Assuming he tried to cash out .45 of the 2 BTC he won at the beginning, he would've started the legitimate betting series with a bankroll of 1.55 BTC, or 172x his deposit. So, simply reduce every bet by a factor of 172.

Considering it was ultimately FortuneJack's error, I think it would be fairest to go with the higher value of the approaches mentioned above.

The value for the second comes out to .116 BTC, meaning the additional bug bounty he received is only .09 BTC.

A closer look at the other wagers is necessary to determine the value from the first approach.

You really can't use choice two because they've seen all my bets that day. They know I barely touched that bug money except that one occasion in where I tried to pull out a few BTC (I believed I was ahead and that I won the game through fair play). In all of the transactions they can confirm I did not bet in any extreme or outrageous manner. I treated all earnings as if I had won them and that I should do in my best not to lose such gained winnings by trying to blow it all for a huge payout.

So for them to 172x in funds I had not even touched would be absurd. Other than that I appreciate your statistical revealings.

verusfides

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Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:49:54 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 06:10:01 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:00:29 PM

Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

Interesting.

First of all, I'd like FortuneJack to be a bit more transparent and make that google doc actually viewable to the public.

I think there are a few fair ways to approach this.

1. Re-evaluate his bets on non-bugged games (plinko, etc.) and treat it as if his starting balance was .009 for this series of bets. Any bet made for more than his total balance would be considered an all in. Given he said he was gambling for 8+ hours, it is possible he would've started plinko with more than .009 and still won the entire jackpot.
2. Re-evaluate his bets on non-bugged games (plinko, etc.) and treat his bets as proportional to the size of his bankroll at the time. Assuming he tried to cash out .45 of the 2 BTC he won at the beginning, he would've started the legitimate betting series with a bankroll of 1.55 BTC, or 172x his deposit. So, simply reduce every bet by a factor of 172.

Considering it was ultimately FortuneJack's error, I think it would be fairest to go with the higher value of the approaches mentioned above.

The value for the second comes out to .116 BTC, meaning the additional bug bounty he received is only .09 BTC.

A closer look at the other wagers is necessary to determine the value from the first approach.

You really can't use choice two because they've seen all my bets that day. They know I barely touched that bug money except that one occasion in where I tried to pull out a few BTC (I believed I was ahead and that I won the game through fair play). In all of the transactions they can confirm I did not bet in any extreme or outrageous manner. I treated all earnings as if I had won them and that I should do in my best not to lose such gained winnings by trying to blow it all for a huge payout.

verusfides

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Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 07:43:12 PM

Quote from: verusfides on January 14, 2019, 07:40:48 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 07:25:53 PM

Quote from: verusfides on January 14, 2019, 07:24:26 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 06:10:01 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:00:29 PM

Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

Provide evidence of that exact statement. I played in more than 20 games in 13 hours that night. You're willing to say 100% that that couldn't have been my deposit money? You can't satisfy that claim with any proof told you to stop trying to comment things you're severely unaware of. Idc how much of a model citizen you seem to be on bitcointalk because right now you're acting like FortuneJacks very own clown.

You deposited 0.009BTC, the game you were playing was the game where the bug happened, the game that you gave you a high balance. If you deposit 0.009BTC it is impossible for you to bet 0.0197BTC on a single spin/roll/game, is it not?

And I know you'll say "There's no way they can know if I would deposit again or not to bet that amount on plinko", but we can only look at the data that has been presented to us. We can't start thinking about what could have happened if something else would have happened.

Wtf are you saying? Do you listen to your words before you type? Me depositing after is data that shows I would've kept going regardless of the bug. Also what you say is true in the regard that it would be impossible to bet that amount on a single roll, but by you denying the factors of all the other games that I had partaken that evening you are neglecting the deposit money that was in play at that current standing. Furthermore, if we delve further into that fact the amount I used to make that Plinko bet could've been funds that I had won with my balance in those other games.

So this is where the big question comes into play. The amount is a little shy of 2x my initial deposit. Meaning from the bug money that would be roughly 5% of that bug money which had actually been used. Also to point that if you can give and take all the funds that I may or may not have won with my deposit would be only slightly greater or lesser or maybe not even any of the bug money.

But it is a useless discussion because you didn't win on those other games with your initial deposit, you won on the other games from the ineligible win you had on Adrenaline, which was your first game. What happened after really doesn't matter as it is, again, "what if" scenarios.

I'll stop responding now, if I were you I'd talk to MadZ as he seems to be willing to help you out.

Lets follow your scenario since this right here is the pinnacle of stupidity. I stated I only played that game because of their suggestions and advertising. They advertised this game while it was bugged. So since they had coaxed me into playing a game that I would've most likely disregarded had it not been their suggestion for me to play I would not be in this very chatroom arguing with a belligerent who only seems to be fitting the pieces of the case at hand the way he sees fit for his own viewing. Talk about skewed and one sided perception right?

verusfides

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Quote from: verusfides on January 14, 2019, 07:40:48 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 07:25:53 PM

Quote from: verusfides on January 14, 2019, 07:24:26 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 06:10:01 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:00:29 PM

Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

Provide evidence of that exact statement. I played in more than 20 games in 13 hours that night. You're willing to say 100% that that couldn't have been my deposit money? You can't satisfy that claim with any proof told you to stop trying to comment things you're severely unaware of. Idc how much of a model citizen you seem to be on bitcointalk because right now you're acting like FortuneJacks very own clown.

You deposited 0.009BTC, the game you were playing was the game where the bug happened, the game that you gave you a high balance. If you deposit 0.009BTC it is impossible for you to bet 0.0197BTC on a single spin/roll/game, is it not?

And I know you'll say "There's no way they can know if I would deposit again or not to bet that amount on plinko", but we can only look at the data that has been presented to us. We can't start thinking about what could have happened if something else would have happened.

Wtf are you saying? Do you listen to your words before you type? Me depositing after is data that shows I would've kept going regardless of the bug. Also what you say is true in the regard that it would be impossible to bet that amount on a single roll, but by you denying the factors of all the other games that I had partaken that evening you are neglecting the deposit money that was in play at that current standing. Furthermore, if we delve further into that fact the amount I used to make that Plinko bet could've been funds that I had won with my balance in those other games.

So this is where the big question comes into play. The amount is a little shy of 2x my initial deposit. Meaning from the bug money that would be roughly 5% of that bug money which had actually been used. Also to point that if you can give and take all the funds that I may or may not have won with my deposit would be only slightly greater or lesser or maybe not even any of the bug money.

Then by their standards since I had not used up that whole 2.0 BTC to get to that bet and the equal or lesser value of 5% of it was used they should only be allowed to subtract 5% of that plinko wager since that would indeed be the amount of bugged money that was in play BECAUSE they can not 100% ascertain that it was with either my initial deposit or the casinos bugged money. Am I being clear to you?

Hhampuz

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Meh.

Quote from: verusfides on January 14, 2019, 07:40:48 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 07:25:53 PM

Quote from: verusfides on January 14, 2019, 07:24:26 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 06:10:01 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:00:29 PM

Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

Provide evidence of that exact statement. I played in more than 20 games in 13 hours that night. You're willing to say 100% that that couldn't have been my deposit money? You can't satisfy that claim with any proof told you to stop trying to comment things you're severely unaware of. Idc how much of a model citizen you seem to be on bitcointalk because right now you're acting like FortuneJacks very own clown.

You deposited 0.009BTC, the game you were playing was the game where the bug happened, the game that you gave you a high balance. If you deposit 0.009BTC it is impossible for you to bet 0.0197BTC on a single spin/roll/game, is it not?

And I know you'll say "There's no way they can know if I would deposit again or not to bet that amount on plinko", but we can only look at the data that has been presented to us. We can't start thinking about what could have happened if something else would have happened.

Wtf are you saying? Do you listen to your words before you type? Me depositing after is data that shows I would've kept going regardless of the bug. Also what you say is true in the regard that it would be impossible to bet that amount on a single roll, but by you denying the factors of all the other games that I had partaken that evening you are neglecting the deposit money that was in play at that current standing. Furthermore, if we delve further into that fact the amount I used to make that Plinko bet could've been funds that I had won with my balance in those other games.

So this is where the big question comes into play. The amount is a little shy of 2x my initial deposit. Meaning from the bug money that would be roughly 5% of that bug money which had actually been used. Also to point that if you can give and take all the funds that I may or may not have won with my deposit would be only slightly greater or lesser or maybe not even any of the bug money.

But it is a useless discussion because you didn't win on those other games with your initial deposit, you won on the other games from the ineligible win you had on Adrenaline, which was your first game. What happened after really doesn't matter as it is, again, "what if" scenarios.

I'll stop responding now, if I were you I'd talk to MadZ as he seems to be willing to help you out.

verusfides

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Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 07:25:53 PM

Quote from: verusfides on January 14, 2019, 07:24:26 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 06:10:01 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:00:29 PM

Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

Provide evidence of that exact statement. I played in more than 20 games in 13 hours that night. You're willing to say 100% that that couldn't have been my deposit money? You can't satisfy that claim with any proof told you to stop trying to comment things you're severely unaware of. Idc how much of a model citizen you seem to be on bitcointalk because right now you're acting like FortuneJacks very own clown.

You deposited 0.009BTC, the game you were playing was the game where the bug happened, the game that you gave you a high balance. If you deposit 0.009BTC it is impossible for you to bet 0.0197BTC on a single spin/roll/game, is it not?

And I know you'll say "There's no way they can know if I would deposit again or not to bet that amount on plinko", but we can only look at the data that has been presented to us. We can't start thinking about what could have happened if something else would have happened.

Wtf are you saying? Do you listen to your words before you type? Me depositing after is data that shows I would've kept going regardless of the bug. Also what you say is true in the regard that it would be impossible to bet that amount on a single roll, but by you denying the factors of all the other games that I had partaken that evening you are neglecting the deposit money that was in play at that current standing. Furthermore, if we delve further into that fact the amount I used to make that Plinko bet could've been funds that I had won with my balance in those other games.

So this is where the big question comes into play. The amount is a little shy of 2x my initial deposit. Meaning from the bug money that would be roughly 5% of that bug money which had actually been used. Also to point that if you can give and take all the funds that I may or may not have won with my deposit would be only slightly greater or lesser or maybe not even any of the bug money.

verusfides

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Quote from: verusfides on January 14, 2019, 07:24:26 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 06:10:01 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:00:29 PM

Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

Provide evidence of that exact statement. I played in more than 20 games in 13 hours that night. You're willing to say 100% that that couldn't have been my deposit money? You can't satisfy that claim with any proof told you to stop trying to comment things you're severely unaware of. Idc how much of a model citizen you seem to be on bitcointalk because right now you're acting like FortuneJacks very own clown.

Also let me add something on top of this. I had clearly made it aware even without the bug I would've kept depositing, as they can even see I deposited nearly 1600 USD after they had removed the jackpot funds from me. Show me proof they wouldn't have taken the jackpot under some flawed Liability Rule they have. It's amazing the amount of ignorance you're putting into this. I already know you don't read things all the way through so go on over to their limits of liability under terms and conditions and read every rule. Tell me why they're allowed to only keep the one rule that'll protect them from returning my funds to me while ignoring every other rule placed on there. You said to me I'm twisting words. What were am I twisting under those terms of liability that they are supposed to adhere by.

Hhampuz

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Meh.

Quote from: verusfides on January 14, 2019, 07:24:26 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 06:10:01 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:00:29 PM

Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

Provide evidence of that exact statement. I played in more than 20 games in 13 hours that night. You're willing to say 100% that that couldn't have been my deposit money? You can't satisfy that claim with any proof told you to stop trying to comment things you're severely unaware of. Idc how much of a model citizen you seem to be on bitcointalk because right now you're acting like FortuneJacks very own clown.

You deposited 0.009BTC, the game you were playing was the game where the bug happened, the game that you gave you a high balance. If you deposit 0.009BTC it is impossible for you to bet 0.0197BTC on a single spin/roll/game, is it not?

And I know you'll say "There's no way they can know if I would deposit again or not to bet that amount on plinko", but we can only look at the data that has been presented to us. We can't start thinking about what could have happened if something else would have happened.

verusfides

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Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 06:10:01 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:00:29 PM

Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

Provide evidence of that exact statement. I played in more than 20 games in 13 hours that night. You're willing to say 100% that that couldn't have been my deposit money? You can't satisfy that claim with any proof told you to stop trying to comment things you're severely unaware of. Idc how much of a model citizen you seem to be on bitcointalk because right now you're acting like FortuneJacks very own clown.

MadZ

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Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 06:10:01 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:00:29 PM

Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

Interesting.

First of all, I'd like FortuneJack to be a bit more transparent and make that google doc actually viewable to the public.

I think there are a few fair ways to approach this.

1. Re-evaluate his bets on non-bugged games (plinko, etc.) and treat it as if his starting balance was .009 for this series of bets. Any bet made for more than his total balance would be considered an all in. Given he said he was gambling for 8+ hours, it is possible he would've started plinko with more than .009 and still won the entire jackpot.
2. Re-evaluate his bets on non-bugged games (plinko, etc.) and treat his bets as proportional to the size of his bankroll at the time. Assuming he tried to cash out .45 of the 2 BTC he won at the beginning, he would've started the legitimate betting series with a bankroll of 1.55 BTC, or 172x his deposit. So, simply reduce every bet by a factor of 172.

Considering it was ultimately FortuneJack's error, I think it would be fairest to go with the higher value of the approaches mentioned above.

The value for the second comes out to .116 BTC, meaning the additional bug bounty he received is only .09 BTC.

A closer look at the other wagers is necessary to determine the value from the first approach.

Hhampuz

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Meh.

Quote from: MadZ on January 14, 2019, 06:00:29 PM

Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

game-protect

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Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 05:45:49 PM

They shouldn't pay you because there was a bug in the game that made you win a bunch of money. Sure, they should have caught it earlier but it was a bug nonetheless.

During the time when he made the bets for Plinko and won the jackpot, nothing of his account balance was declared as bug.

Afterwards ForuneJack is only allowed to cancel money he unfustifiably received through the bug, but not his whole account balance or winnings.

If my bank puts mistakenly or by a bug $10,000 to my account balance and I transfer it to an investment platform and win $100,000 and transfer it back to my bank account, then my bank can only withdraw the mistakenly given $10,000 and not my whole $100,000!

However, verusfides is a typical brain wash victim!

First he drives cars without insurance while he could have played with consumer protection service inclusive and after being scammed he asks gamblers and brain washers! Cheesy

MadZ

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Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

Hhampuz

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Meh.

Quote from: verusfides on January 14, 2019, 05:43:53 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 05:19:56 PM

I'm not really sure why you continue to bang on the drums regarding this one.. Everything has been explained to you but you are still trying to find some sort of loophole to get your ineligible win.

Just drop it.

You're convincing me more so than ever that you have some part in all of their decision. I'm not the one using one rule in the plethora of Terms and Conditions to avoid paying a player. That's the FortuneJack casino so stop trolling when you can't even solidify a good reason why the Casino shouldn't pay me. Just go back to sidelining and let the big boys talk it out ok? No need to get your brain all worked up in information you clearly don't understand or comprehend.

They shouldn't pay you because there was a bug in the game that made you win a bunch of money. Sure, they should have caught it earlier but it was a bug nonetheless.

verusfides

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Quote from: Hhampuz on January 14, 2019, 05:19:56 PM

I'm not really sure why you continue to bang on the drums regarding this one.. Everything has been explained to you but you are still trying to find some sort of loophole to get your ineligible win.

Just drop it.

You're convincing me more so than ever that you have some part in all of their decision. I'm not the one using one rule in the plethora of Terms and Conditions to avoid paying a player. That's the FortuneJack casino so stop trolling when you can't even solidify a good reason why the Casino shouldn't pay me. Just go back to sidelining and let the big boys talk it out ok? No need to get your brain all worked up in information you clearly don't understand or comprehend.

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If you have a legal issue, you ask gamblers?

And if you are injured, you go to the bakery?

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