Topic: FORTUNEJACK.COM |Deposit 777 play with 1777 mBTC |Live Casino, Slots, Betting - page 306. (Read 464995 times)

I have about 120 deposits over the course of 3 years and every single one of them follows the formula
of
YELLOW (pre-deposit amount) + BLUE (deposit amount) = RED (total account balance)
see image for color scale

every single deposit follows this formula except the one circled in white.. and this is where the problem is sourced and the difference is .0995 or 99.5 mbtc.

https://imgur.com/a/jyiLUSA

YELLOW PLUS BLUE = RED
120 DEPOSITS follow this formula.. i have posted only one page here but i have at least 8 more pages i could post as well and every one follows this formula except the contested transaction.

David thank you for quick response, i have sent you a DM with the information you have requested i can send screenshots or transcation history and i have already included transaction ID and I have about 30 images to verify everything i am saying.

Hi Blockchayne

David here and always ready to help ^^ can you dm me your FJ username and details of your convo with our support? I would like to check and help you ^^

Here are the images.



The first is the data which is sourced straight from my transaction history.
you can see i had .139 and deposited .541 and the total amount after this was only .58

I was worried that FJ may possibly try to alter the numbers or make up some lie so I contacted the live support and asked her several times whether the information i provided was accurate and she agreed that it was indeed accurate. She then went on to say that the only concern was whether the missing amount was real balance or bonus balance. I dont ever use bonuses so this can be ruled out immediately.

Later on FJ changes their story and tries to justify this by some explanation that they conjured up together however they used the wrong figures or maybe they are just confused bc their explanation makes no sense, it does not add up correctly as they state, and besides that the transaction that they reference has absolutely no relevance and no affect on my issue.

They are still declining my request to credit the 99.5 mbtc that they have shorted me despite them acknowledging that all of the figures are exactly correct.

Someone help me please!

Hello I need some help dealing with FortuneJack. Here’s the story.

I had .139 btc in my account (pre-deposit).
I deposited an additional .541 btc
Simple addition will show that the deposit amount (.541) + the prior account  balance (.139) should  = .68 account balance.

Yet my account registered a total account balance of only .58
The transaction history even reflects this miscalculation just as I have stated.

To further my case,
Fortunejack Support has since confirmed that the deposit was for .541 just like I have stated.
Fortunejack support has since confirmed that the pre-deposit balance was .139 just like I have stated.
Fortunejack Support has since confirmed that the total account balance was then stated as .58

They have admitted that all of the figures I have provided are truthful and exact.
Then why am I still missing the .0995 from the total balance.
The figure should have been .68 according to mathematical theory of
Correct A + B = C
Incorrect A + B = C - .0995
I believe they are even making up unrelated figures to try to justify this


How do I upload images onto this. Lol.
Maybe I cannot do it from iOS.

Sadly, you are dealing with a casino that will pull stunts like this and ignore any reasoning in the process. Just read the complaint section where they held people withdrawals for months while the price of BTC dropped only to release it later.

Yes which is exactly why I am only asking for the 20 BTC. Also as a player yourself (assuming you are) would you play at this casino knowing things like this could happen to you? This goes to owners of FortuneJack and it's players. Is it right that I should be singled out for something like this? I am not a person with so much money. I am barely getting by day by day. Yet choosing to play here with the little I have to try and make my life a little bit easier to breathe. I have been nothing less of courteous in my opinion, I have followed up with you guys every single time you've asked, followed every single rule you guys have said to abide by. This is very painful.

I'm really not sure what to tell you but you are correct in that we are at the mercy of the casinos, that's just the way it is..

Had you deposited again (although there'd be no reason for it) I would 100% agree that you deserve to keep the winnings, but as this was not the case 'nor did your previous balance cover the bets I'm just not sure.

This entire situation sucks, they should have noticed the bug sooner and if they did you would have either never played plinko or you would have deposited again and then won the 1000x wager..

I understand where you are coming from and I understand because it is the money involved that makes this very very sensitive. However right now I'm at such a loss and wishing I had never seen or heard of that damned notification in the first place because of this dilemma. Is this the message that FortuneJack wants to share to it's players? "Hey thanks for taking our suggestion in playing our bugged game, will just be taking our jackpot back now because of it, good luck to ya!"

You can even see in the game after Adrenaline, I do nothing to play irrationally because of the newly acquired BTC. I played as if I still only had my initial deposit of 0.009. Everything that led up to the Plinko were just a series of random factors. You're asking if I had enough money what I'm asking is, are you certain I would not have deposited again had I hit a wall in between my series of bets?

Is it fair to punish me for their mistake? Plenty of times I had technical issues and clarification problems, yet in the terms where I am losing money they do not offer to give it back. Why should they be allowed to take back the money I thought I had won as they so freely choose? If this is the case  then forget provably fair. We're already playing in a 99% house edge so might as well just throw our wallets at the mercy of every casino we come across.

I completely understand what you are saying, I'm not disagreeing with you. All I'm saying is that it is a tough call, let me put it this way: Without the bug in the Adrenaline game, would you have been able to bet the same amounts and win on the other games? Would you have been able to place the 0.0197BTC bet on the plinko game?

This is not an attack at you or me defending FJ. I want to be objective and I'm having a hard time with deciding what a "fair" outcome would be..

I would agree with that if I had just jumped from the Adrenaline game straight to the Plinko, but as I have said in the posts previously. I had been in there playing multiple games over a course of 13 hours eventually leading to the Plinko game. They can not simply say that it was due to that game in itself that I had won that Plinko game. If I had not made that initial deposit I would not have won the jackpot. This is a fact. What is not a fact is that I was able to win that game because of the BTC acquired from Adrenaline. That is simply an opinionated statement. Also the game was suggested by them. I am hoping you understand that, myself and many others played that game that day based on FortuneJack's suggestion to do so. We played that game and some had realized there was an easy way to earn money in there, I was NOT one of those people. Would you be okay with someone offering you to play a new lottery, only to take not only the money you won from that back but money you subsequently win from a completely different lottery? That's not even sensible.

You deposited a little under 0.01BTC, correct?

If you won 19.7BTC on the plinko game and it was the 1000x win that means you placed a bet for 0.0197BTC, right? So that would not mean that it counts on your deposited btc that was not affected by the bug from the previous game.. It's a really tough decision and I think that no matter what FJ does in a case like this it would always be a bad outcome for anyone involved.

I don't know :/

I tried to tell everyone this casino has gone downhill. They are arrogant and stealings winnings and sometimes deposits. They got 40X wagering on bonuses which is outrageous. Yet people praise this clip joint...SMDH

Please I know it is a joke, but don't encourage them 

100% fair if it was a bug exploit, what else could you do?

Accepting the huge win the guy got would mean that any new bug can (and should) be abused by the players then they just have to use the tons of funds from the bug to play on other games and withdraw those games coming from "not buggy games".

Nothing to do here but to cancel the winnings. It's fair in my opinion.

BUT

Was it bug abuse?
Seems to me that no it wasn't.
Hence... You won't be fair by denying the winnings right?

Hence you can't do much... I don't see how you can act fairly. Just deny the payments and get a reputation of not paying jackpots...

I understand completely 100% what you are saying, but no it is not fair. I am not those other players. Furthermore I did not abuse your game and try to withdraw a ridiculous amount of coins. I did not even know there was a bug in the first place. I played the game because of your guys' suggestion. Furthermore you have no proof whatsoever that the Plinko jackpot win came from the Adrenaline bug BTC or from the initial deposit BTC which accrued BTC outside of Adrenaline. I realize you guys may have lost BTC because of what has occurred and I do understand how hard it must be to take one loss after another, but how could you say this is right? You guys should not have released a game with such a huge bug in the first place.

On top of that I have read over your bug bounty rules. Bitcointalk.org readers please take this into consideration as well when they say they are being fair.
They have split the bounty into 3 prizes:

0.02 for Small Bug

0.08 for Medium Bug

0.2 for Large Bug

They awarded me the MEDIUM BUG. Somehow winning money for free (which was unknown to me at the time). Is somehow considered a Medium Bug? Look at what the problem has escalated to because of this Bug yet your support would only give me this amount? You claim that other players have withdrawn there earnings and you guys have took some damage. The bug in itself should award more than large because of the damage you guys could receive. Tell me what is fair about this part? Your players that had found the bug regardless of whether they reported it or stumbled upon it by accident should be allowed to keep those funds because this was faulted from the casino. Nobody came in and rigged your game. Your programmers messed up so punish them for it, why are you taking it out on the players, and then you punish other players like myself further for hitting a jackpot that had nothing in relevance with your bugged game? What would have happened if multiple people who experienced the same thing hit jackpots as well. Would you deny them all payment? How would you even justify such a notion. Seems like you are scapegoating the bug to deny payment to a player who fell upon a good amount of luck that night.

I had no knowledge this was even a bug prior to being notified and my funds denied. I thought I was playing the game right. Your rules simply state enter amount click bet to begin. Stop when you want to withdraw. How is this fair in any sense? I played the game the way it says to play. I had won and thought I would withdraw and be safe and not lose all my earnings because the house edge on the game is 2% compared to your other provably fair games which are rated at 1%.

If I were only to play Adrenaline all night and my BTC only came from that game alone that night before I jumped over to the Plinko game, then I would consider this to be a right decision, HOWEVER, that is not the case. I stayed on your casino that whole night. Anybody can see this from my transactions logs. I was on their website for 13 hours playing a plethora of games in between. Even after what had occurred I had still continued to play because I was so frustrated at what had happened.

Even now I have continued to play on your page. I have been loyal to this page even before they had the huge updates and additional game providers. I have lost a lot but I have ALWAYS came back here, because of how well you guys had treated your players. Please see this from any players perspective. Would you deny someone a gold medal from one event because there were technicalities in a different event? The jackpot was really such a holiday miracle for me. I am behind on phone bills, car payments, mortgage payments. It would mean everything in the world if you could please make my wishes come true. Thank you for taking your time to read hope to hear from you soon.

Hi verusfides

David responding from here. Pardon for delayed response from me, its the first day back to office after a vacation, your case is the first and delicate one I am gonna be handling.

As I have figured out from your comments and from inquiries in office, the issue is that: you have deposited amount on our website and due to bug of the game you made a significant winning. The game bug was notified to us by the provider and it was quite simple, but as well quite damaging - the automatic cashback have allowed players to basically write in bar the amount of money they wished to win and after spin the winning was there. This was brutal and our internal investigation is on to determine the causes of the bug. Thankfully to our most honest and loyal players the bug was soon detected. Most of the players wrote us what was happening and we were able to act fast and find the solution. We have rewarded to everyone who was affected by the bug with bug bounty of 0.08 for the damage, because we take responsibility on what happened on website.

Sadly, some of the players took advantage on bug and got more and more until they could, but of course we are not able to issue the winnings that have been made due to bug abuse or any sort of unfair activity and we kindly ask our players to be understandable in this case.

Your case, however, is extremely delicate as the winning on Adrenalin came because of the bug and you were able to claim 2.1 BTC, but you kept on playing and made a huge bet with bug won money on Plinko, were you got the big win of 19.17 BTC. We decided to seize the winnings because of the valid reason, of initial win coming from the bug, you were refunded your deposit and given a bug bounty (like all other players effected by bug) of 0.08 BTC.

We are sorry to hear about your poor experience, but I think at the end we did everything to end up on fair point, you were returned your money back and plus given additional bonus for damage and help in successfully spotting and solving the bug issue.

Screenshot 1:  The Deposit was made and Playing the Adrenaline has started. Also, we see the bug effected game win of 2.1 BTC here. After bug wins the player has requested to withdraw the amount, but due to the already known to us bug issue, the withdrawals were suspended from the website.



Screenshot 2: Player Continues to play after denied withdrawal and starts playing on Bounce.



Screenshot 3: Player spins with bug money and as seen on the screenshot, wins Bounce Jackpot of 19.17BTC.




I would like to hear from BTC TALK community about the fairness of our decision. You all perfectly know that, I am always on a players side and I do my absolute best to be a watchdog for our community inside the office. But in this case, personally I think that company decision was fair.

Cheers,
David.

Yeah I'm not gonna use them just at that time, I really who to turn to or where to turn to so I started posting on several forums such as here and now my complaint has been officially posted on askgamblers so hoping they will follow up soon...

Is there still someone who do believe on game-protect? 

^This is the best advice you would ever get because as of right now the only ones who can help you is FortuneJack itsel and its support team. Asking assistance from game-protect won't really help you solve your case as their "legal service" isn't really a thing they don't even mention even one name of a lawyer representing their team on their official website so I wouldn't believe what they are saying right now.