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legendary
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Hello FortuneJack community my username is verusfides on the website known popularly as fortunejack.com. I am coming to  you today as a recent player on it's website who has not been paid my earnings and have been robbed because of a bug which occured on one of there games. Below is a full break down of the events that have occurred.

(TL;DR below)

Yesterday, I had made a small deposit to FortuneJack. They had recently sent me a notifcation asking to try a new game and I was intrigued. During the game I had accrued some amount of funds roughly amounting 2 BTC. I, in my belief was that I had acquired these winnings fairly without any fraudulent or illegal play. Later I try to make a small withdrawal of roughly a quarter of my winnings around .45 BTC, which then said was undergoing review. I thought everything was fine up till this point.

This is where it gets interesting. As the night progresses, I am still on the site gambling for nearly 8 hours, eventually heading over to there plinko page. I keep playing and playing and then the jackpot hit. You should understand I was literally speechless when this happened. It was a payout of 20 BTC.

About 15 minutes later however, all the funds in my account were subtracted and later they had claimed that my winnings on Adrenaline were obtained due to a bug, and that they therefore would have to penalize ALL the money I acquired. Clearly this is unjustifiable. Even if the winnings I won in Adrenaline were from a bug. I had been on the casino website for nearly 8 hours. I am sure I have wagered over 10000x my initial deposit.  Even if the casino were to claim that I won a small amount from a bug, the plinko bet was won fair and square. They even know this because they have nothing to say about it, but simply because of the Adrenaline game which THEY advertised me to play, they are refusing my winnings. I am coming to the community here today to see what they have to say about this. I am being robbed for playing a game they had suggested to me?

TL;DR Won a total of 22 BTC -20 from Plinko jackpot 1000x and 2 from Adrenaline. Fortunejack siezed all earnings claiming a bug from the game Adrenaline which was advertised by them.





Hello Dear Player,

As a FortuneJack Casino Representative, I would like to issue a final response on this thread to clear up the situation.

We have launched an investigation within the company for this very delicate case which involved several departments, including thorough relations with game developers to determine if the win was made from the bug money. This is what we have finally concluded:

In the attached file you can see Bet ID (first column), Spin ID (second column), Real BPS (third column),  User BPS (fourth column), Bet Amount (fifth column), Win Amount (sixth column), Key (seventh column) and Hash (eighth column). In the usual cases of winning Win Amount equals of Bet Amount multiplied on RealBPS.

WinAmount = BetAmount × RealBPS

View Bet History: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing

As we can see in the file Win Amounts are almost the same every time and are more than Bet Amount × Real BPS.  Based on these facts we can state that bet from the player was affected by the bug from the game and finally, an inadequate winning was made.

Also, I’m attaching the screenshot of our back-office. (all the personal information is hidden due to a privacy policy.)  In this screenshot, you can see that in every bet BPS is 200 which is another proof of the sad happening on the game site and evidence that game had an unexpected and undetermined bug.



As said in our Terms & Conditions and I believe that any casino representative would agree with me, we are not able to issue a winning made with bug money. According to all mentioned above and because of the bet made by verusfides was with money earned by the bug we are unable to consider winning as a relevant.

We, of course, realize the delicacy of the situation and we are not trying to put the blame on players. We understand this is the inconvenience and we are deeply sorry for this confusing situation.

But despite everything and our positive attitude to the user verusfides, we have to strictly follow our rules this is the only way we can react in this case.

The Player has already received Large Bug Bounty (0.2 BTC) plus his initial deposit back, and as a personal present from me, 30 Free Spins with minimum x2 wagering requirement. I am afraid this is all we can do here, I was personally curating this case and wanted to be 100% sure, that's why it took a little bit of time. The Player himself is a very gentle and polite human, and casino staff shared deep sympathy towards him, but in this case, there is nothing else we could do. We are deeply sorry for the inconvenience, but consider that our treatment, in this case, is entirely fair.


Cheers,
David.

hero member
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My withdrawal is keep pending long time. Support told me that i have to wait for security team to check. And i have been request withdraw to many time before. Really dont understand what your security team want to check. And why have to checl each time withdraw

Sometimes they just take their time to verify everything when players make a big withdrawal, they do not want to miss anything in case people cheating or may be abusing some bug around. That is why you really need yo wait for that long. And if you do not abuse anything, you should be relax because they will always pay players although it is a big amount if evwrything is good to go
Yes that's true if he does not cheating i think eventually he will able to get his funds and indeed sometimes fortunejack delayed withdraw because they want to investigate those accounts whether they will be cheating or abusing the rules and if everything fine then nothing to worried because fortunejack will allowed to withdraw
Withdrawals on weekends are somehow delay yet i have test out on some circumstances neither their workers or payment processors staff are off since we are already Monday.I think
the said withdrawal is already processed yet theres no further updates about his issue. FJ is been here for  years and theres nothing to worried about for them to pay you out as long
they didnt  notice anything unusual with your activity.
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My withdrawal is keep pending long time. Support told me that i have to wait for security team to check. And i have been request withdraw to many time before. Really dont understand what your security team want to check. And why have to checl each time withdraw

Sometimes they just take their time to verify everything when players make a big withdrawal, they do not want to miss anything in case people cheating or may be abusing some bug around. That is why you really need yo wait for that long. And if you do not abuse anything, you should be relax because they will always pay players although it is a big amount if evwrything is good to go
Yes that's true if he does not cheating i think eventually he will able to get his funds and indeed sometimes fortunejack delayed withdraw because they want to investigate those accounts whether they will be cheating or abusing the rules and if everything fine then nothing to worried because fortunejack will allowed to withdraw
hero member
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My withdrawal is keep pending long time. Support told me that i have to wait for security team to check. And i have been request withdraw to many time before. Really dont understand what your security team want to check. And why have to checl each time withdraw

Sometimes they just take their time to verify everything when players make a big withdrawal, they do not want to miss anything in case people cheating or may be abusing some bug around. That is why you really need yo wait for that long. And if you do not abuse anything, you should be relax because they will always pay players although it is a big amount if evwrything is good to go

OK didn't mention what is the amount so not sure whether it is a small or big amount.

Since it is a security check then he has to wait for their reply. As you said if cheating has done while playing then OP should get his money but just need to wait for sometime to finish their checking.
Well if there's no issue while playing, the withdrawal will be process  you just needed to wait, though I didn't experience any issue before when I'm still addicted with dice, for sure david and the rest of the support group will take care of this concerned just wait and expect things positively.
legendary
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My withdrawal is keep pending long time. Support told me that i have to wait for security team to check. And i have been request withdraw to many time before.
To understand the situation better, you must mention exactly when you placed the request and how many times you have contacted their support and how long they took to reply you and anything relevant to time frames.

Really dont understand what your security team want to check. And why have to checl each time withdraw
This is an usual practice among many gambling houses. They will go for checking your gambling history so that they will find out how lucky you were so that they can be sure about you have not employed any malfunctioning to crack profits against them Grin. This may be repeated each and every time, you will be placing a withdraw request because any time anything may happen and they just want to be making sure of things all intact.
legendary
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My withdrawal is keep pending long time. Support told me that i have to wait for security team to check. And i have been request withdraw to many time before. Really dont understand what your security team want to check. And why have to checl each time withdraw

Sometimes they just take their time to verify everything when players make a big withdrawal, they do not want to miss anything in case people cheating or may be abusing some bug around. That is why you really need yo wait for that long. And if you do not abuse anything, you should be relax because they will always pay players although it is a big amount if evwrything is good to go

OK didn't mention what is the amount so not sure whether it is a small or big amount.

Since it is a security check then he has to wait for their reply. As you said if cheating has done while playing then OP should get his money but just need to wait for sometime to finish their checking.
legendary
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My withdrawal is keep pending long time. Support told me that i have to wait for security team to check. And i have been request withdraw to many time before. Really dont understand what your security team want to check. And why have to checl each time withdraw

Sometimes they just take their time to verify everything when players make a big withdrawal, they do not want to miss anything in case people cheating or may be abusing some bug around. That is why you really need yo wait for that long. And if you do not abuse anything, you should be relax because they will always pay players although it is a big amount if evwrything is good to go
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My withdrawal is keep pending long time. Support told me that i have to wait for security team to check. And i have been request withdraw to many time before. Really dont understand what your security team want to check. And why have to checl each time withdraw
How long were they pending for? I think it's normal if they do it every withdrawal because from what i've experienced they're not the only gambling site that takes time to process withdrawals. They do a quick investigation to make sure the user isn't cheating, abusing, multi accounting or did something that's against fortunejack's T&C. 
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My withdrawal is keep pending long time. Support told me that i have to wait for security team to check. And i have been request withdraw to many time before. Really dont understand what your security team want to check. And why have to checl each time withdraw
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FortuneJack, when will the following games work: Tales of Egypt slot, Hockey League, Glorious rome, Lady of the moon, 7 Monkeys?



Some of the games are unavailable because of the region you're playing in. It doesn't say it on there but that is the reason.


Now the slot machine is working, but someone has activated free spins.
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FortuneJack, when will the following games work: Tales of Egypt slot, Hockey League, Glorious rome, Lady of the moon, 7 Monkeys?



Some of the games are unavailable because of the region you're playing in. It doesn't say it on there but that is the reason.
legendary
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FortuneJack, when will the following games work: Tales of Egypt slot, Hockey League, Glorious rome, Lady of the moon, 7 Monkeys?


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Rule 6. Nothing contained herein shall be considered as excluding FortuneJack of liability in cases where exclusion of liability would be illegal under the relevant laws, including in cases caused by our gross negligence.

"including in cases caused by our gross negligence." I was not the person that ignored this bug and caused this result to happen. They were notified prior of this bug existing, yet they let it continue on without any player notification. Do we need to say anything more now?

You should prove that the bug was brought up by gross negligence first before you even claim that Rule 6 applies to you. Gross negligence is a big word that is why we should not taken it lightly. Even in lawsuits "gross negligence" is something needed to be proven first before someone finds to be guilty of it. If they have done their part and still a bug ruined your game it doesn't mean that they were purely not showing diligence in their job as mistakes like that happen but does it show gross negligence? I don't think so these employees are still human and you need to think about that.

....Can people who haven't read any of the previous posts NOT respond like this? They knew about the bug way before I went to play on it. They could've shut it down at anytime. Are you saying I should assume responsibility for their own actions which led me to having a jackpot forcibly removed from me because of their GROSS NEGLIGENCE? see how that phrase works perfectly there?

Being human and being irresponsible are two very different factors. It does not require a lot of brain work to temporarily disable a game that would be causing problems with players currency involved.

It's pretty clear to me the people that were responsible for this did not stop this from happening knowing that the finance department would be required to stop the players upon their withdrawal requests. Give me one good reason why they didn't stop function of the game hours after they had known of it's problems.

Furthermore. Why did they choose to remove the funds from me 13 hours after when I hit the jackpot. Why did they not simply remove the funds beforehand so I could avoid this whole hassle? It's because the developer of that game was negligent. They assumed it would be no big deal to just let the problem run because eventually it would work itself out.

I want the developer(s) themselves to read this very comment and explain to ALL of us why they or he/she did nothing.
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Rule 6. Nothing contained herein shall be considered as excluding FortuneJack of liability in cases where exclusion of liability would be illegal under the relevant laws, including in cases caused by our gross negligence.

"including in cases caused by our gross negligence." I was not the person that ignored this bug and caused this result to happen. They were notified prior of this bug existing, yet they let it continue on without any player notification. Do we need to say anything more now?

You should prove that the bug was brought up by gross negligence first before you even claim that Rule 6 applies to you. Gross negligence is a big word that is why we should not taken it lightly. Even in lawsuits "gross negligence" is something needed to be proven first before someone finds to be guilty of it. If they have done their part and still a bug ruined your game it doesn't mean that they were purely not showing diligence in their job as mistakes like that happen but does it show gross negligence? I don't think so these employees are still human and you need to think about that.
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Imagine being the guy who programmed the game with the glitch in it.

I bet Fortunejack has a hit on this person if hes not already dead.
Also I want everyone to note what he pointed out and I'd like to point out these two very specific rules FortuneJack themselves have wrote on their terms and conditions.

Which states under Limitation of Liability:

Rule 6. Nothing contained herein shall be considered as excluding FortuneJack of liability in cases where exclusion of liability would be illegal under the relevant laws, including in cases caused by our gross negligence.

Rule 8. Our maximum liability in relation to your use of the Website shall not exceed the value of the wagers you placed in respect to the wager or product that the liability arose from, or otherwise exceed 30 BTC or equivalent monetary value.

"including in cases caused by our gross negligence." I was not the person that ignored this bug and caused this result to happen. They were notified prior of this bug existing, yet they let it continue on without any player notification. Do we need to say anything more now?

I understand where you are coming from. But also understand you are dealing with a casino group that has a history of stealing and ignoring complaints. They also have one of the highest bonus turnover of 40X. That alone should tell you they are out to fleece its players.

One of the players recently shown me a message which regards to him being paid for the bug which states:

Hello User,

This is the message regarding the bets that were not crediting wins on Adrenaline. We checked with the needed department and refunded 1.86 MBTC on your balance. We appreciate your patience.

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According to this user the refunded amount was in fact the winnings not the original gambled amount. His question to me was why is he being awarded when he was operating the game during the time of the bug when it should void ALL pays. He strictly brought up this fact to defend my case. Is it normal for casinos these days to apply some rules to certain people and different rules to others as how they feel comfortably? Guess discrimination is still a thing.

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Hi Blockchayne

David here and always ready to help ^^ can you dm me your FJ username and details of your convo with our support? I would like to check and help you ^^

Can you confirm that you’ve received my DM’s and that you actually are working on this issue. I haven’t received any indication from you that you have received I
This or otherwise are working on my issue. Thank you.

Hi! yes I have received a DM and i am on the case, making checks in office ^^


Yes please make it public because it's an absurd response and it's categorically false. You all have provided some screen shot and highlighted the middle number and claimed this is the bet amount and this is the amount missing. First of all the middle column in the transaction history is NOT the bet amount. The FAR RIGHT column is the bet amount. You can clearly see i was wagering .001 wagers and you all have said i was wagering .039 wagers. You all do not want to pay me the 99.5 mbtc that is missing from my deposit credit and you are desperately reaching for any absurd explantion that you can fabricate in order to weasel your way out of those obligations.

I noticed some discrepencies in my history and my transactions. I told them that there was a significant amount of bitcoin missing from my account which was due to a system miscalculation, there were no withdrawals made during the time at all so this is ruled out first. Then they sent me several pages of transactions and provided several different stories as to what had happened.

The first story was that they just needed to figure out whether the amount missing was a bonus amount or a real balance amount so that they could begin the process of returning the funds to me. Since I know I dont use bonuses, I knew it was definitely not a bonus amount, but i respected the fact that they had to check to be sure before issuing any refunds.

The following day they came back and told me that the bet amounts were removed during the confirmation of the amount. This is why the total amount didnt reflect properly on the transaction history. They sent me a screenshot with the center column highlighted which showed .039 and then said that  I was making .039 bets while the deposit was confirming.

This was completely false and they did not even highlight the correct column as the amount of  the wager is in the FAR RIGHT Column and the amount missing is .0995btc. So this turned out to be categorically false.

At this point I was certain that they would see the errors in their explanation and would have no choice but to make this right and simply refund my money. Obviously They did not done this.

Instead, They have come back with ANOTHER new story of increasing complexity and technical explanation which required numerous pages of transaction history to be forwarded to me and some lengthy explanations about how their system is unique in it's calculations and this is why the numbers arent adding up....

It seems like they are just attempting to wear me down emotionally and mentally to the point where i concede to their story. I had almost reached that point as i have spent sooooo many hours dealing with this that even my family has become upset as I have been too often taken away from other aspects of my life bc i have had to keep battling to get FJ to return my funds.
 
I will post the image of the detailed transaction history that THEY sent to ME and insisted there was no error.

PLEASE tell me and Fortunejack if ANYONE ELSE SEES THE ERROR. They have insisted is not an error. I think it is rather clear that it is. The transaction being disputed has been highlighted with a blue rectangle for full clarity of my claim.

https://imgur.com/a/zzrABxQ





Hello,
We’ve already explained everything about this case in our private chat and we thought that we were close to agreement.

But, now we want to give a public response and explanation.
(we’ve hidden transaction IDs in every provided screenshot due to privacy policies)


At 01:58 , User requested deposit from blockchain side, Which started to reflect on balance at 02:05 and fully been confirmed and credited at 02:17.

The screenshot of transaction is clearly showing Balance after, balance before and amount columns.

While the transaction started to reflect on the balance (02:05 UTC) users balance was 0.13905242 BTC, Which is the exact amount of the bet made during 02:05 , shown in the screenshot
While the transaction was unverified (waiting for blockchain confirmations) From 02:05 till 02:10:54 user was using the balance and the final outcome and last bet before making a deposit has been made at 02:10:54 after which the deposit has been credited (02:17)

Balance before the deposit has been fully confirmed and credited on the account was  0.03955242 BTC (02:10:54 ) after which the deposit has been credited 0.541499 BTC (deposit amount) which gives us the balance after funds (After confirmation).


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We hope this detailed information will explain everything.

hero member
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Imagine being the guy who programmed the game with the glitch in it.

I bet Fortunejack has a hit on this person if hes not already dead.
Also I want everyone to note what he pointed out and I'd like to point out these two very specific rules FortuneJack themselves have wrote on their terms and conditions.

Which states under Limitation of Liability:

Rule 6. Nothing contained herein shall be considered as excluding FortuneJack of liability in cases where exclusion of liability would be illegal under the relevant laws, including in cases caused by our gross negligence.

Rule 8. Our maximum liability in relation to your use of the Website shall not exceed the value of the wagers you placed in respect to the wager or product that the liability arose from, or otherwise exceed 30 BTC or equivalent monetary value.

"including in cases caused by our gross negligence." I was not the person that ignored this bug and caused this result to happen. They were notified prior of this bug existing, yet they let it continue on without any player notification. Do we need to say anything more now?


I understand where you are coming from. But also understand you are dealing with a casino group that has a history of stealing and ignoring complaints. They also have one of the highest bonus turnover of 40X. That alone should tell you they are out to fleece its players.
jr. member
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Imagine being the guy who programmed the game with the glitch in it.

I bet Fortunejack has a hit on this person if hes not already dead.
Also I want everyone to note what he pointed out and I'd like to point out these two very specific rules FortuneJack themselves have wrote on their terms and conditions.

Which states under Limitation of Liability:

Rule 6. Nothing contained herein shall be considered as excluding FortuneJack of liability in cases where exclusion of liability would be illegal under the relevant laws, including in cases caused by our gross negligence.

Rule 8. Our maximum liability in relation to your use of the Website shall not exceed the value of the wagers you placed in respect to the wager or product that the liability arose from, or otherwise exceed 30 BTC or equivalent monetary value.

"including in cases caused by our gross negligence." I was not the person that ignored this bug and caused this result to happen. They were notified prior of this bug existing, yet they let it continue on without any player notification. Do we need to say anything more now?
newbie
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heh noone expect fortunejack to return fund once they decide to seize it, even its not sometimes against their own rules, they changed them few times becouse of me....... they took from me like 2-3BTC year ago, since then I used several times my own praxis, bug hunter, to get my money back, they suffer a lot more now for this seizure  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Imagine being the guy who programmed the game with the glitch in it.

I bet Fortunejack has a hit on this person if hes not already dead.
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