Foundation Passport Official Thread - page 4.

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Quote from: foundationdvcs on May 16, 2024, 09:50:07 AM

Thanks for the report of this issue!
we've created an internal issue to remedy this by simply not changing the timestamp when signing

Thanks, this is the wise decision from Foundation part.

Could you consider the adding BIP47 support to Passport?

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Quote from: satscraper on May 15, 2024, 01:37:59 PM

A bug is a bug. It may not look serious for experienced user like you or me but put someone, less experienced, in my place. He/she may suspect that if wallet is corrupting the simple thing then it is capable to corrupt other valuable data relevant to transaction. Such kind of bugs are nonallowable and should be fixed ASAP.

I understand what you are saying and I agree that it needs to be fixed, especially since it shouldn't be difficult for their developers to change that workflow. But I repeat that it isn't a bug that hinders you from using the signing device with all its current capabilities. Foundation should just leave the name alone and not add any timestamps to the signed transactions because the device is missing an internal clock.

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Thanks for the report of this issue!

This is the default behavior when signing PSBTs but for those who look closely can be confusing. Note that it doesn't prevent them from being transmitted in any way, but we've created an internal issue to remedy this by simply not changing the timestamp when signing as Passport does not have a way to keep its internal clock in sync.

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Quote from: Pmalek on May 15, 2024, 11:29:20 AM

Quote from: satscraper on May 13, 2024, 02:00:57 AM

As this wallet is always off-line it can not make use of the services of an external oracle to get correct date. Thus internal clock probably should be implemented with the initial manual setup of the actual date. Or, at least, Passport should preserve that date of data which it receives for signing from the software wallets.

It's not a serious bug. As long as you aren't keeping multiple PSBTs on your microSD card, you won't find yourself in a situation where you don't know which signed transaction you want to broadcast.

A bug is a bug. It may not look serious for experienced user like you or me but put someone, less experienced, in my place. He/she may suspect that if wallet is corrupting the simple thing then it is capable to corrupt other valuable data relevant to transaction. Such kind of bugs are nonallowable and should be fixed ASAP.

As I said earlier even I was at a stand first, because my microSD has indeed contained a few old psbt, all with the same date.

Quote from: Pmalek on May 15, 2024, 11:29:20 AM

The easiest fix would be to just not rename the file at all, and add a "signed" prefix or suffix to it.

Passport adds such suffix all the time but the problem is that all files with it have the same date. Sure one could delete old files, but, in my view, this would be not reputable solution for the wallet with such credit.

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Quote from: satscraper on May 13, 2024, 02:00:57 AM

As this wallet is always off-line it can not make use of the services of an external oracle to get correct date. Thus internal clock probably should be implemented with the initial manual setup of the actual date. Or, at least, Passport should preserve that date of data which it receives for signing from the software wallets.

It's not a serious bug. As long as you aren't keeping multiple PSBTs on your microSD card, you won't find yourself in a situation where you don't know which signed transaction you want to broadcast.
The easiest fix would be to just not rename the file at all, and add a "signed" prefix or suffix to it.

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To eliminate the assumption of Sparrow's erroneous action with the date-stamping I made "experiment". Created .psbt file with Sparrow and made myself sure that it is correctly dated as 12.05.2024 Then I have inserted microSD with this file into Passport 2 slot (firmware 2.3.0) and signed it. Passport 2 has changed the date of this file to 31.12.2017, signed it and dated again as old as 31.12.2017.

Thus, the problem with the datestamp lies in Passport itself.

As this wallet is always off-line it can not make use of the services of an external oracle to get correct date. Thus internal clock probably should be implemented with the initial manual setup of the actual date. Or, at least, Passport should preserve that date of data which it receives for signing from the software wallets.

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@foundationdvcs, down to the present I have used QR to get transaction from Sparrow, sign it and send back. Yesterday I have got transaction by usual way i.e. via QR but signed it on the fly using SD card inserted into Passport as QR was too slow. Sending signed psbt file to Sparrow went smoothly but to my surprise I have discovered that this file, created by Passport2 was dated wrong. We live in 2024 but the file was dated as old as 2017.

At first, this disorientated me so strongly that I have ended in hesitation whether to broadcast transaction or not. Finally, I have broadcast it,

but

Why such a bug?

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Well well, it looks like Foundation Passport is holding their ground strong against recent wave of arrests, bans coming from government officials.
We are going to have very interesting next few months, and I don't think government is stopping any time soon, they are busy with their own plans and projects like war and cbdc Tongue

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We are not removing the Whirlpool Postmix extension on Passport🌀

We eagerly await the return of Whirlpool and Samourai once their names are cleared and charges are dismissed.

https://twitter.com/FOUNDATIONdvcs/status/1788574024160702962

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> Are you the same guy?

Yes Grin

> That's too bad. I know that whatever they are building is unofficial, but it would still be cool to see a privacy coin like Monero working within an airgapped solution like that of the Passport hardware wallet.

Agreed, we'd love to see this and are working to make things like this drastically easier on a future product.

> I hoped it would be Ben Sessions. A pretty popular channel when it comes to these types of software/hardware wallet reviews. But I have come across the work of Crypto Guide as well. Decent lad.

He did a review when we first launched Passport Batch 2, but unfortunately there was a bit of a strange focus on common FUD rather than a product review. Would love to see him re-review it with all the changes that have happened to Passport and Envoy since then!

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Quote from: foundationdvcs on April 26, 2024, 05:27:27 AM

So sorry, we like to play things pretty close to the vest and don't want to give away too much! Suffice it to say we're going to break this space open with something new in two directions Cheesy

Hmm, that sounded pretty similar to what your marketing head said in the YouTube video I watched. Are you the same guy?

Quote from: foundationdvcs on April 26, 2024, 05:27:27 AM

Unfortunately it seems that the effort has mostly stalled, but we're in communication with some Monero devs and trying to see how we can assist.

That's too bad. I know that whatever they are building is unofficial, but it would still be cool to see a privacy coin like Monero working within an airgapped solution like that of the Passport hardware wallet.

Quote from: foundationdvcs on April 26, 2024, 09:09:10 AM

An excellent new review of Passport + Envoy just dropped, thought it was worth sharing for anyone on the fence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9EPXCJWTB0

I hoped it would be Ben Sessions. A pretty popular channel when it comes to these types of software/hardware wallet reviews. But I have come across the work of Crypto Guide as well. Decent lad.

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An excellent new review of Passport + Envoy just dropped, thought it was worth sharing for anyone on the fence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9EPXCJWTB0

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Quote from: satscraper on April 26, 2024, 03:07:53 AM

Quote from: foundationdvcs on April 25, 2024, 01:56:50 PM

A new release of Envoy, our powerful Bitcoin mobile wallet and companion app for Passport is live now!

Read more in our blog post on the release:

https://foundation.xyz/2024/04/envoy-version-1-6-2-is-now-live/

Would be nice to have in the future releases the notification of new version at entering Envoy.

I have updated mine (1.6.0 on Android) only after reading your message.

Keep refining this magic app for Passport, the hardware wallet we are fond of.

Already a work in progress Wink

Quote from: RickDeckard on April 25, 2024, 06:43:08 PM

Was browsing around Zeus[1] Telegram group when found out a (not expected) reference to Foundation Passport in their recent alpha build (only available to sponsors):

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ZEUS v0.9.0-alpha1 is now rolling out to community sponsors!

This build includes:
- Watch-only account import (xpub)
- Hardware wallet / signing device support (Coldcard Q, Seedsigner, Passport Foundation etc.)
- Batch channel opens
- Batch on-chain txs
- Close channels to external addresses
- Improved payment path view

(...)

Zeus looks like a solid wallet and knowing that Passport is intended to be integrated with it just adds more options to their users (especially considering that Zeus is a Bitcoin Lighthing wallet),

[1]https://zeusln.com/

Good find! We are very excited for this, and it's much more novel than "just" Passport integration into another wallet. Exciting things for those who seek to use LN in a self-sovereign way.

Quote from: Pmalek on April 23, 2024, 02:58:58 PM

I just came across a video of your marketing head talking with the Bitfinex team, and I heard some interesting things I wanted to mention them and ask you about it.

He was pretty secretive but said that Foundation is working on multiple new hardware devices, with plans to release them this year. Can you say something more, exclusively for the Bitcointalk community? We already know there won't be a pre-sale stage.
How is the development going with Lightning being added to Envoy? When do you expect that to be finished, and have you thought about liquid BTC, for example?
How far ahead is the Monero community with introducing their forked version of the Passport firmware to support the coin?

He was pretty secretive but said that Foundation is working on multiple new hardware devices, with plans to release them this year. Can you say something more, exclusively for the Bitcointalk community? We already know there won't be a pre-sale stage.

So sorry, we like to play things pretty close to the vest and don't want to give away too much! Suffice it to say we're going to break this space open with something new in two directions Cheesy

How is the development going with Lightning being added to Envoy? When do you expect that to be finished, and have you thought about liquid BTC, for example?

Still a work in progress, but we have concrete plans of how we will tackle it from both an architecture and UX perspective and are working hard towards those goals. We won't release anything half-baked, and want to ensure that the integration is as seamless and intuitive as Lightning can be.

How far ahead is the Monero community with introducing their forked version of the Passport firmware to support the coin?

Unfortunately it seems that the effort has mostly stalled, but we're in communication with some Monero devs and trying to see how we can assist.

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Quote from: foundationdvcs on April 25, 2024, 01:56:50 PM

A new release of Envoy, our powerful Bitcoin mobile wallet and companion app for Passport is live now!

Read more in our blog post on the release:

https://foundation.xyz/2024/04/envoy-version-1-6-2-is-now-live/

Would be nice to have in the future releases the notification of new version at entering Envoy.

I have updated mine (1.6.0 on Android) only after reading your message.

Keep refining this magic app for Passport, the hardware wallet we are fond of.

RickDeckard

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Was browsing around Zeus[1] Telegram group when found out a (not expected) reference to Foundation Passport in their recent alpha build (only available to sponsors):

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ZEUS v0.9.0-alpha1 is now rolling out to community sponsors!

This build includes:
- Watch-only account import (xpub)
- Hardware wallet / signing device support (Coldcard Q, Seedsigner, Passport Foundation etc.)
- Batch channel opens
- Batch on-chain txs
- Close channels to external addresses
- Improved payment path view

(...)

Zeus looks like a solid wallet and knowing that Passport is intended to be integrated with it just adds more options to their users (especially considering that Zeus is a Bitcoin Lighthing wallet),

[1]https://zeusln.com/

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A new release of Envoy, our powerful Bitcoin mobile wallet and companion app for Passport is live now!

Read more in our blog post on the release:

https://foundation.xyz/2024/04/envoy-version-1-6-2-is-now-live/

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I just came across a video of your marketing head talking with the Bitfinex team, and I heard some interesting things I wanted to mention them and ask you about it.

He was pretty secretive but said that Foundation is working on multiple new hardware devices, with plans to release them this year. Can you say something more, exclusively for the Bitcointalk community? We already know there won't be a pre-sale stage.
How is the development going with Lightning being added to Envoy? When do you expect that to be finished, and have you thought about liquid BTC, for example?
How far ahead is the Monero community with introducing their forked version of the Passport firmware to support the coin?

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Quote from: foundationdvcs on April 18, 2024, 08:15:41 AM

Miniscript adoption is definitely something we're keeping a close eye on, and something we want to implement down the line but is quite complex to do it properly, especially from a UX perspective. Definitely on our radar but no firm implementation date to share at this point!

Great news, thank you for the quick update! As a matter of strategy, and I reckon that this may not be doable, but, as a suggestion, it would be awesome to have some sort of roadmap of features that you intend to implement on Passport. Internally I know that this probably already exists (to guide the development) and I understand that not everything could be shared, but it would be nice to have an idea how the product would develop say in 1 year from now (for example).

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Quote from: RickDeckard on April 18, 2024, 03:49:33 AM

@foundationdvcs : While in another discussion with other users[1] something struck me that wasn't asked before - is Foundation planning to release support for miniscript? It would be great if we could use Passport with miniscript[2] to create custom spending conditions on some address[3].

[1]https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5492618
[2]https://bitcoinerlab.com/guides/miniscript-vault
[3]https://bitcoin.design/guide/how-it-works/custom-spending-conditions/

Miniscript adoption is definitely something we're keeping a close eye on, and something we want to implement down the line but is quite complex to do it properly, especially from a UX perspective. Definitely on our radar but no firm implementation date to share at this point!

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Quote from: NotATether on April 18, 2024, 06:02:28 AM

I'm curious to know how would a user create miniscripts inside the Passport though. Would they just import them by QR code, since typing them by a keyboard of sorts is out of the question?

I was actually thinking in interacting between making the code on a laptop and then use a microSD card and to also register the descriptors on the device. The implementations of miniscript that I have seen seem to involve a 3rd party entity as such is the case between BitBox and Liana[1], but I suppose that there could also be a way to make that operation without that 3rd party?

[1]https://bitbox.swiss/blog/exploring-bitcoin-miniscript-with-liana-and-the-bitbox02/

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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org

Quote from: RickDeckard on April 18, 2024, 03:49:33 AM

@foundationdvcs : While in another discussion with other users[1] something struck me that wasn't asked before - is Foundation planning to release support for miniscript? It would be great if we could use Passport with miniscript[2] to create custom spending conditions on some address[3].

[1]https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5492618
[2]https://bitcoinerlab.com/guides/miniscript-vault
[3]https://bitcoin.design/guide/how-it-works/custom-spending-conditions/

I'm curious to know how would a user create miniscripts inside the Passport though. Would they just import them by QR code, since typing them by a keyboard of sorts is out of the question?

Also the miniscript could get quite long if many constants are being used, which would make the QR code really big - and maybe require an extremely large QR code in some cases - so what to do about that?

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