Topic: Foundation Passport Official Thread - page 7. (Read 4649 times)

That sounds great! I usually try beta releases anyways, so I'll make sure to create GitHub issues whenever I find some bug or issue, from now on.
How about more hardware based issues / bugs / vulnerabilities?

I've tried Envoy and it connects to my electrs server running on my Bitcoin node over Tor without issues.
One thing I'd appreciate is some kind of (hidden) log view where you can see whether / if it is stuck somewhere, e.g. when connecting to Tor, connecting to the server or something else. Just to make troubleshooting easier.

You should be able to just upload the Gerber files to a PCB manufacturer like PCBWay and get them to assemble the board for you, as well. Then print the housing, add keypad, camera and screen and put it all together.

I do think it's worth it to just buy the completed product from Foundation though.

I have already entertained thoughts of  DIY Passport. After studying their docs I have understood that the most challenging for me part of  such DIY project would be  the making of multilayer printed circuit board rather than 3d printing. For me, it would be hard, even impossible, to make at home.

Sure I could  order its manufacture on the side but it would  cost.

Foundation Devices already does this - If you go here[1] you'll find all the files that are used to produce Passport Batch 2. These files are specially handy if you need to replace a specific part of your device (or if you prefer to create a more custom look for it).

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[1]https://github.com/Foundation-Devices/passport2-hardware/tree/main/mechanical/STEP%20Files

Prototypes of new devices?
That sounds interesting and I know people who would be interested in participating some kind of beta testing program.
Even sharing .stl files for 3d printing and option to assemble our own devices would be a good idea, something like DIY Passport

Nice.
I see lot of people having a problem to find good open source mobile wallet for Bitcoin, so I will download and test how Envoy works.
In general I can count on fingers all Android Bitcoin wallets, and most of them are not good.
Good mobile wallet should be open source, with option to run full node and option to connect with multiple brand of hardware wallets, or to work standalone.

But you won't use that sd-card all the time, not even near like you would use it in camera, phones or other devices, so chances of getting it corrupted in next few years is minimal to none (unless you operate centralized exchange cold storage).

Thanks man for sharing this info, im really impresed by the diference in the last one (QLC), welll anyways thanks all for your answer and i hope the best to the passport team, and also thank them for being active here and answer the questions of the comunity.

Yeah, my Passport 2 is equipped with SanDisk Industrial XI 8 GB micro card which  is marked as Industrial but if you look at its  NAND Flash Tech and Endurance (main specs that differ cards) it is closer to Commercial grade (or one may call it Industrial MLC) rather than Industrial one, which is sigh-induced situation in this case.

https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/embedded-flash/industrial-sd-microsd-series/WDC_SanDisk_Industrial_SD_microSD_ProdBrief_020918.pdf

If you are interested in learning more about the SD card that is bundled with Passport, you can check out the datasheet here[1]. The NAND Flash Technology that the card uses is MLC (Multi-level cell) which is the second best option (the first one would be Single-level cell (SLC)):

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[1]https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/669/SanDisk_02052018_SDSDAF3_SDSDQAF3-1285144.pdf
[2]https://www.kingston.com/unitedkingdom/en/blog/pc-performance/difference-between-slc-mlc-tlc-3d-nand

Can you reveal a bit more information about what you are working on? Are we talking about brand new Foundation Passport hardware wallets software and hardware-wise, or more simpler modifications to the existing version like a lite variant that will be made of lower quality materials and be cheaper? Or perhaps the company is releasing something different entirely... 

Well that its ok, but i still think it can be risky thinking on long term. A lot of years ago, i buy some high quality SD cards, and ended up not being so much diferent than cheap ones, only in speed terms they were far better. I know like you said industrial ones can be much better and diferent but i have my doubts after losing some very important memories thanks to corrupted Sdcards files.


Well, thanks for your answer, well yes you can copy but im somehow paranoic when i start to make copies of all the things, but well its a problem of myself.

Hype is pretty accurate IMO  Our team's 3D printers have been brrr'ing non-stop for the past few months with prototypes...

As for the beta program, we're very hopeful this will help balance out the incentives behind community members testing our releases alongside of us, as well as simply make the process of open-source development more exciting for the non-devs out there. Lots to test in each release, and likely quite a bit of Bitcoin up for grabs with each one as well!


Oh, absolutely! Ideally we will have far more Envoy users than Passport users due to it's functionality as an easy-to-use Bitcoin mobile wallet, and would love testers with or without Passport. If you have a Passport there is obviously more functionality to test out, but the majority of the growth in the app planned is on the mobile side that anyone with a smartphone can test out.


@dkbit98 hit the nail on the head here, the microSD cards in use here are MILES apart from the old, cheap, low-quality cards we're all used to from early cell phones. These are high-quality, industrial-grade cards that have much better read-write longevity as well as "on the shelf" longevity.

But even if your microSD card fails, Passport would continue to be fully functional.

As for backups, while encrypted backups are written to microSD, you can always copy those files practically anywhere you want (just don't put them with your backup PIN code!) as they're an encrypted blob. It's also almost always best to have a separate backup of the seed words themselves, often on steel or similar as @dkbit98 also mentioned!

If you have any other more specific questions I'm always happy to answer them

Can people test and report bugs only for Envoy app even if they don't own a Passport device?

I think they are using industrial grade micro sd card that are like night & day compared to regular consumer garbage sd cards.
Anyway, you shouldn't really only on sd cards, you should always have backup phrase in multiple places, written on paper or even better on stainless steel plates or washers.

Sorry if im being so noob on this but, im not a professional in cyber-security.

I read your thread, and when i see you are using Sd memories, i have to say its one of the most corrupted things on tecnology. And im not talking about corupted by hacking or something, im talking about, i remember when the cellphones still use the Sd your archives can become corrupeted by no reason,i lost a lots of old photos saved on the Sd, so why if the data to unlock the wallet get corrupted?

Or im missunderstanding everything?

Thanks for your answers.

I think that having this kind of program is always beneficial to any company - It allows scrutiny and incentivizes the community to really dig into your releases to search for any potential flaw, earning some sats in the meantime. Congratulations on launching such program (unfortunately I lack the knowledge to help you on this regard)!

As an additional note from my side, three particular names come to my mind that may be interested in such program (looking at you guys - @n0nce, @satscraper and @BlackHatCoiner).

EDIT: I do like this particular paragraph on your announcement[1]:
Is this enough to justify saying: HYPE? 

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[1]https://foundationdevices.com/2023/08/announcing-our-early-access-rewards-program/

Join our Envoy and Passport Early Access Rewards Program & Earn Bitcoin!

👉 Be the first to report any reproducible issue for Passport or Envoy beta releases and get a 10k Satoshi bounty in Bitcoin!

🔍 How to Participate

1. Test the beta releases for Passport firmware or Envoy app.
2. Report issues on Github.
3. All issues (the first time they are reported) are eligible for the 10k Satoshi reward.
4. Foundation team members will validate the issues for eligibility.
5. Rewards sent directly to your provided Bitcoin address or Lightning invoice.

Join the community, help us improve, and get rewarded in Bitcoin for your valuable contributions! 🎉

Learn more in our full blog post:

https://foundationdevices.com/2023/08/announcing-our-early-access-rewards-program/

P.S. -- We'll also be offering the top contributors to the program early access to future hardware products we create, with more details on that aspect of the program to come. 👀

I am guessing you need beta testers who will be inspecting and working with upcoming firmware versions and reporting their findings and bugs. Even though Passport is an airgapped hardware wallet, everyone interested in beta testing should probably wipe their devices clean before installing the beta software to avoid any potential problems happening to their coins. Generating a new seed and new wallets with little bit of BTC inside would be my way of conducting any tests required.

Just wanted to drop a quick note to let you all know that Passport is officially back in stock today after the crazy sellout in May!

Great time to get one for family or friends, and we've included some minor revisions to improve the keypad and microSD tray in this production run as well thanks to excellent feedback from many of you in our fantastic community.

foundationdevices.com/passport

We will also be announcing a unique new beta program for Passport firmware with some awesome incentives later today, so keep an eye out for that!

You meant they released update regarding Envoy rather that firmware that runs on their devices. I have just checked their official download page for firmware - it remains the same -  


Envoy is mobile app that accompanies Passport device.

Foundation has just released[1] quite a considerable upgrade regarding their firmware version (Envoy) (they went directly to v1.3.0 (they were on v1.1.0) and I think that is more than reasonable. There are a ton of quality improvements and bug fixes, but I'll just point out two that stood out to me: Azte.co[2][3] integration and the possibility for anyone that has the Founder edition to update within Envoy (no one is left behind!). Tremendous job @foundationdvcs, keep it up!  

EDIT: Per satscraper reply bellow, I've updated the thread with additional information - This update is applied to the Envoy app and not the firmware running on their devices. Thank you satscraper!

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[1]https://foundationdevices.com/2023/07/envoy-version-1-3-0-is-now-live/
[2]https://azte.co/
[3]https://bitcoiner.guide/azteco/

This is actually available if you use your own seed with Envoy's mobile wallet, as you are then prompted to save the Envoy backup file somewhere, which includes wallet settings, labels, etc. without any private key. You can also do this at any time manually if you use Magic Backups under the Backups settings so you can always restore, even if Foundation's servers ceased to exist for some reason.


100% optional for mobile wallets, and intentionally impossible to use with Passport itself. Users are prompted on setup if they want to use Magic Backups or manual seed phrase, and both are always an option. We will *never* lock our users into features like this, and will always support the more advanced, more fully self-sovereign approaches. That is a key part of our company DNA and will not change!


Appreciate your input, sounds like you are definitely someone who will not be using Magic Backups and that is totally fine! We want to support people opting into Bitcoin from all walks of life, and not everyone is comfortable with manual seed phrases from day one. Envoy will prompt users to backup their seed manually as well, and will remind people to stop using a mobile wallet for all of their funds if they have over $1,000 stored there starting with the next update.

We will continue to push users to the fully self-sovereign path and simplify that where we can, and will always support users like yourself (and even parts of our team!) who would not feel comfortable putting any private key material online, even if encrypted.

I like your line of thought! Fully agree that running your own node is basically a necessity.
I've shown myself how to do it (hardware and software), even on the cheap, but do also like the idea of 'node in a box' solutions.
The main benefits I see are:

• Easier setup for new users (some options have great-looking GUIs for installing everything)
• Smaller form factor
• Lower power usage

Because of points 2 and 3, I've even considered building something small and efficient myself, e.g. based on the Argon One M.2 case for the Raspberry Pi 4B.