Topic: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest - page 1200. (Read 559567 times)

DiceBots and scripts don't break any rules. In fact, we make more money from people that use them than the ones that don't. The people that use them tend to keep on wagering the same funds over and over until they eventually lose. The simple fact is that when you gamble on random numbers, whatever system you use, there will be a sequence of rolls that will result in you busting. The larger the sample size of bets is the higher the probability that it will include that sequence.

When it comes to morals people are entitled to think whatever they want to about gambling. Our business model uses a 5% house edge to fund a faucet, rewards program and lottery. When people ask about reducing the house edge I ask them which of those things we should remove to pay for it. Most people it turns out would rather we didn't. If they don't want those things then they can go to other sites but we're not going to change a successful business.

Ok, so if I understand correctly, your bots haven't been weeded out and you no longer use them as they now pay for itself via referrals. This sounds like a good thing. I don't know about you, but business sense doesn't need me to like the people who run the service that makes me profit.

I used to make a bit of money from ads, and I hated all of the ones I used, because I found them rude, slow, and always docked my earnings for "abuse" which they never proved or told me about, so I had trouble even trying to improve because I had no idea what traffic was causing those alerts. Eventually, they stopped earning me much and I moved on.

I don't think we need to bring morals into the picture... I do agree that this forum has a lot of tough characters and myself feel I have been unfairly treated in the past on some casinos, which I just react by not giving them my business. I appreciate the forum is what it is today because of those tough characters, better or worse. But TheQuin hasn't been rude... curt I would say, and calling people names doesn't help your case exactly no?

Anyway, okay, so we all have disagreements about all these gambling sites. For me it's simple. I move on if I can't stand it. Good luck!

Bots come in two varieties. The bots that cause a problem are the ones that claim free rolls and are used to massively abuse the faucet with multi-accounting. The other ones that automate playing dice are no problem at all as they do not give the player any advantage over someone playing manually or using our auto-bet function.
If anyone wants to use a bot for that I would recommend https://bot.seuntjie.com/
It is open source so you'll know for sure that it doesn't contain malware, it has many built-in strategies and a programming interface to create your own.
The developer is also honest and trustworthy, he understands gambling and doesn't pretend his bot can do things that are not possible.

https://steemit.com/gambling/@seuntjie/why-botting-doesn-t-work-at-casinos

Use of bots in any game generally reduces its viability.    I have this problem any time I go onto a computer game just for fun, some want to unbalance gameplay in their own favour and it ends up reducing gameplay.   The eventual result of bot use is there is no game left.

This site wont exist if all there is left is bot use, nobody is going to win in that scenario

No he hasnt weeded out anything of mine although the attempt was made back when the house edge was 0% and increased to #retarded levels.  My bot has not always been public.  I used it for a very long time privately when the house edge was 0 some years ago.  Then about a year or so ago (while I was still using it myself) I started streaming a trading channel and people always asked me what the black screen in the background was that I would keep up all the time.  After a while I got sick of the users/watchers/whateveruwantotcallthem pestering me to release the bot so that they could use it.  It was quite obvious that I was very successful with it and thus the requests.  I refused to do so because I had no way to limit it's use should it get out of hand.  Then suggestions to tie it to a referral ID came in and it seemed logical to me so thats exactly what I did. So the bot now checks to see if a user is one of my referrals.  It does so by connecting to my server.  Since it does this, I can limit who can/cant use it and I could turn it off completely for everyone if I chose to do so at any time.  Since then I no longer have any need to use the bot myself since it now pays for itself as well as the trading I do.  When I lose a trade,  the referrals make up for it (where as previously my bot winnings would serve that purpose) so that I could continue trading without having to put up any of my own capitol.

I dislike this place mostly because of TheQuack and how he treats people (not only myself but others as well,  dude is just an asshole,  as should be expected for anyone sticking up for a casino since they likely have 0 morals).  I also dislike the house edge,  but if I had to pick one or the other as being the worse of the two,  I would say TheQuack takes the cake since he's a complete idiot and provides nothing of value to ANYONE.  Ask him a question and you're more likely than not to get some sort of snide remark that has absolutely nothing to do with anything you asked.  He does this with everyone because he thinks he's god's gift to the interwebs.  At least the site itself still produces income although I would prefer that it still had 0 house edge.

If TheQuack was suddenly silenced on the forums,  this place would improve 300 fold and the only issue would be the house edge.  TheQuack would have you believe that I think anyone who disagrees with me is an asshole.  However I routinely joke with jackg when I reply around here (which is maybe once a week or every other week,  depends what I have goin on at the time,  I use this place to pass idle time).  He's not an asshole like TheQuack,  but he also doesnt agree with me on most things either.  I dont consider him an asshole like I do TheQuack because he isnt.  He treats people with humor or respect unlike TheQuack.  So I treat TheQuack the same way he treats everyone else.  Like complete shit.

You've got to feel sorry for him if he can't find any other way to earn than by getting 0.4% referral lincome from a gambling bot he previously decided to stop running because he was worried about what the FBI would have to ssay about his earnings (or whatever the hell he was going on about)...


That's just it!

AH, so THAT is what he's been going on all about! I don't know why I never noticed it, guess I arrived midway in the conversation to really understand just what he was so upset about.

This is some deep complexity of reverse psychology. Talk smack about a site he hates but hopes people use his bot to earn from there anyway.

And broke: are you upset that your bots are also being weeded out of play? Why not just let things be the way they are because clearly you have no influence? Let the owner do what the owner wants to do, right?

He doesn't have a point that I haven't demonstrated is flawed logic many times already. As he keeps on repeating the same things and demonstrating he no understanding of gambling and is incapable of conducting a conversation (hint you have to address the rebuttal and not just repeat your false statements) I've put him on my ignore list. Just do the same and leave the village idiot sat in the corner talking to himself.

Smoke and mirrors?  Really?  Check your history,  why dont you go back and see what caused wetsuit to raise the house edge from respectable (0) to #retarded (5%).  It sure as shit wasnt humans.  It was DICE bots wrecking the fuck out of his shit.  Bots are very real and very useful regardless of house edge.  He increased the house edge to combat DICE bots (which is what I offer).  Why would you do that if they supposedly make everyone LOSE and allow the house to win every time?  Erm.  You wouldnt.  That issue hasnt disappeared and it never will.  It merely cuts down on the people WILLING to use them due to the increased risk.  Those that are still here are just idiots and therefore if they are stupid enough to continue,  I might as well help them win something and I'm going to profit off it at the same time.  Simple as that.  I dont get where people think I try to hide that fact.  It's pretty well known that it's tied to my referral ID.  It says that right in the docs.  As do all other bots that have ever had any use for this shithole site,  every bot that has worked on freebitco has had a referral ID attached to it,  a dev would have to be completely retarded not to include it and as such,  their bot is probably just garbage since they dont stand to gain anything at all from it.  Those that use referrals actually have an incentive to keep players winning as long as possible (which in turn has a side effect of giving them a chance to bow out before they get rekt).  It's just common sense.

It's simple... He's trying to advertise a bot that runs on a site he hates to make wetsuit and him a profit. The issue is that he's making less of a profit than wetsuit so he's really just advertising gambling on a site he hates for some tiny affiliate earnings... he's turning to use smoke and mirrors just as he accused thequin of doing so now so many pages ago...

I'm so confused as to what point you're trying to make here

For once you got something correct.  By doing this it allows the person TIME to decide when to get out BEFORE they LOSE EVERYTHING.  That's the key point that you ALWAYS leave out because you dont WANT people getting out before they lose it all.  Why would you,  that would cause the casino to LOSE lol.  Therefore you ALWAYS argue the point that it's the bot that is evil......... Why?  Because it gives users the BEST CHANCE to get out before they lose everything and you cant have that because it's BAD FOR BUSINESS.  Let us not forget that this shithouse has spent the last 3 or whatever years COMBATING BOTS because they are causing the casino revenue.  They are not combatting normal users............... Why?  Because humans are easily manipulated into doing things they shouldnt.  Bots cannot be manipulated AT ALL and will do exactly what you tell them to do regardless of emotions (which is what casinos bank on,  they bank on human emotions).  Cutting out the emotions gives a bot user a significant advantage over ANY casino.  I dont care if it's a dice game or poker.  A bot will ALWAYS outperform a human's emotions.  Bot's dont get emotional.  They just get the job done.  

For example,  if you compare a bot's winnings vs a humans winnings in an 8hr period,  you'll quickly notice a triangle pattern forms for the bot while a human's pattern looks more like a mountain range.  One is predictable,  the other is not because bot's dont have emotion that will change the pattern.

We can visualize this and give it an analogy.  Let's say we want to go sight seeing over the city and there are 2 paths to take to reach the required height to see the city lights at night.

One is a straight slow gradual road that goes straight up,  it has a nice 4 lane highway of people going up and down,  there are well maintained pull outs with gorgeous views of the sunset,  etc,  BUT at the end is a MASSIVE cliff that drops off to city level (that is 0 for the player and they lose everything),  it is marked with danger signs everywhere all the way up stating that there are no rails and that you have to view the city at great peril of your own,  if you drive over the cliff or fall off,  it's your fault because there were plenty of warning signs ahead of time.

The other is a windy mountain road thats full of exciting animals that could push the car off the road at any moment,  there are bridges that are washed out that could cause the car to plummet to it's death,  etc.  It's an exciting ride,  but one thats very likely to end abruptly and quickly with one's death (or more correctly,  with losing all your deposits).

Which path you take will probably depend upon what type of person you are OR where you are in life.  If you have a family and kids,  you're probably going to opt for the safer route (the straight highway with plenty of scenic views).  If you are straight out of college and have no care in the world with tons of mom's money to blow,  you're probably going to take the exciting route.

Trying to steer people away from the safer route is utterly disgusting imo.  If bots truly make people LOSE,  you'd be all over them touting them like they were the 2nd coming of Jesus.  Why?  Because it would make the casino MORE money thats why.  But that ISNT the case and that's why you are so against bots.  Period.  It's just that simple and it can be proven as such by the well documented history of wetsuit combating bots during the ENTIRE LIFETIME of the site,  not just he last few months where he's been combating multi-account bots.  I'm talking about when the house edge wasnt at #RETARDED level.  Back when it was ZERO.  He got his ass HANDED TO HIM.... Not by humans............. But by BOTS.  How soon we forget that time eh?  Just because the house edge changes DOES NOT CHANGE THE HOW A BOT FUNCTIONS,  nor does it change it's effectiveness vs human emotions.  It simply means that you cant win as much as you could before,  thats all that raising the house edge did/does.  It does nothing else to combat the root of the problem which is bots do not have emotions that the casino can exploit.

BTW,  I'd like to point out that the current "30K Contest" has the EXACT same goal as a bot.  You're trying to incentivize people to gamble over the same coin over and over and over in an attempt to make them lose more than they would normally and you're asking them to do it without any "bot use".  In other words,  wetsuit wants people to donate to him for free.  The contest's goal is absolutely no different than a bot's goal.  They both result in the exact same thing,  people rolling over the same BTC over and over and over.  The one KEY DIFFERENCE is that this shit contest doesnt tell you when you should probably stop.  A BOT WILL.  Or at least mine does anyway.  Maybe other bots dont,  but mine sure as fuck does and I guess you dont like that.

You are just as much of a snake oil salesman as anyone other lying mofo.  The fact that you try to cover that up is utterly DISGUSTING.  I make no bones about what I am here for,  I tell people right up front that its RETARDED to use freebitco AT ALL.  But if I cant stop them from trying,  I might as well make something off them at the same time and give them tools for their troubles that will give them the best chance of not getting raped by wetsuit.  The casio gives them NOTHING for their efforts.  At least I give them a fighting chance by providing them an excellent tool.  The built in "auto roller" thing on the site is an utter joke compared to a REAL bot.  It's only purpose is to automate their losing.  It has no real "stop" functionality that is effective.  It actually has only 2 stop functions.  My bot has no less than 10 different ways to assess when to stop.  The most EFFECTIVE method that most people use is called a "Trailing Stoploss".  If you're familiar with trading,  you'll know that a trailing stoploss is one EFFECTIVE WAY to GUARANTEE that the current win will ALWAYS BE A WIN and it allows for that win to grow without worry of losing.  Does the site have something like that?  Asbol-fucking-lutely NOT.  But does my bot have it?  You can bet your ass it does.  And that's not the only method it has to help stopping either.  There are other more complex and just as effective methods as well.

So yes I CAN guarantee that it can be configured to always win once it detects you've won something of significance (of significance is determined by the user).  I dont guarantee that it'll win EVERY time but it's better than what wetsuit offers thats for damn sure.  And you can set the stop losses to whatever risk you want rather than having wetsuit dictate what those risks are.

The reason that isn't displayed is that it wasn't tracked from the beginning of the site so we don't have fully accurate numbers. We're probably going to add it soon as that only effects accounts that signed up in the first couple of years.


That's right. It is a ratio of free winnings to wagered on dice, jackpots and lottery tickets bought.

Oh, I see, thanks for explaining! I have been always wondering what that percentage means. I guess I'm too far from 600 sats then.



Btw, is it possible to see my total wagered amount? Asking because what I can see in my personal stats regarding my multiply btc rolls is only this:



and also maybe this from what counts:



But as far as I understand there's a wagering requirement for increasing your FREE BTC rewards, right?

That's right. Gambling on random numbers is purely about luck. There are plenty of snake oil salesmen pushing systems and scripts that make false promises that they increase your chances when that is actually impossible to do. They usually come with the proviso that you sign up to the snake oil salesman's referral link and they are actually designed purely to maximise the referral commision by trying to roll over the same coin as many times as possible.

If I'm not wrong gambling means a guessing game and nothing is guaranteed.

When to stop is not decided by your bot but still, the human need to set when to stop means still gamblers need to set at what percentage of profit they need to stop right? This feature you can set in the site itself. What I know is, it is very hard for one to stop on right time and take the profit whether it is bot or manual in gambling. Because even bot stops at certain percentage profit but people may continue further to check their luck again.

That's right, you're at the maximum which is a 19x bonus on top of the base reward added to all prize levels.

Actually I do,  and get this,  you can even test it for yourself without having to wager a single sat  I have users who regularly go over 5-7BTC in wagering amounts with about a 0.03 deposit.  It allows you to test any settings before you enable them live.  Of course I wouldnt recommend betting AT ALL,  but if you're going to do it anyway,  give yourself the best chance you have and use a bot such as mine that's designed to stretch a balance out as far as it is mathematically possible to do so before you lose everything.  I will warn you,  its VERY effective and VERY easy to become greedy with it.  If you think you can reign in the greed,  there is no harm in checking all avenues of possibility.

There is a difference between "winning" and "being successful".  You dont have to win every time to be successful.  But to win,  you cant lose a single time.  You CANNOT "win" vs a casino.  Ever.  But you can be successful which is NOT winning,  it's just being successful (which can include taking losses).  The bot actually expects to lose and it guides you on how to defeat that potential loss.  It's best demonstrated by actually trying it out,  it's difficult to describe the math behind it because it utilizes time and probabilities.  It's obvious that the longer you do something,  the more probable an unlikely outcome it becomes.  But what ISNT obvious is that you can actually give that "longer you do something" a value.  If you can increase your loss potential from "sometime in the next 10 mins" to "sometime in the next 10 weeks",  would you rather play with the knowledge that you have more time to make RATIONAL decisions or would you rather flip a coin and hope for the best knowing that the odds are stacked against you in every fashion.

There is a large misconception that bots always make you lose.  Thats just a myth.  In the end you're still using the site's mathmatics,  not the bots.  Therefore it's the SITE that will make you lose,  not the bot.  But why do people think this way?  It's very simple.  Bots are not subject to getting bored and will continue betting well beyond what a human would be able to do.  And in that time,  theres a chance that the bot will lose.  So while a bot can outperform a human in an 8hr span,  if you're only checking it at the beginning and the end,  it's going to seem like it always loses because you only see what happens when you do something for to long and let it run without any mechanism to tell it to STOP when it's ahead.  That is what sets my bot apart from others.  It's very configurable and if USED PROPERLY it will outperform ANY human.  Guaranteed.  Like I say in the docs,  a bot is a TOOL.  It's not a magic "always win" wand.  Just like a chainsaw is a tool.  Just because a chainsaw can cut you in half in seconds doesnt mean it will if you use it correctly.  Is a hand saw safer than a chainsaw?  Well idk,  that is debatable.  It depends on how you utilize them.  But I do know that I'd rather use a chainsaw than a hand saw any day.

I must've maxed out the bonuses or something because I don't have the box underneath, but... 



Yeah... I sadly lost a "whole" 0.01BTC what a shame that is...
While racking up a wagering amount of 1BTC. If you have a bot that can do better than me then I'd like to see it however, bots are a sure fire way to lose money on gamlbing sites...

It's the multiply BTC bonus as displayed on the free BTC page.