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Topic: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest - page 1206. (Read 559562 times)

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
Thanks. FYI I asked this question through the contact form, as a test to see if I'd get a reply (I didn't). Not too worried about it but if it was a bigger issue, like needing to reset 2FA or a withdrawal problem, how responsive are they? Anyone have experience with this?

In addition to what the others have said, it might be faster for you to add a phone number to 2FA and get it authenticated that way (you can usually order your PAC which controlls your phone number). However, there is a hierarchy in the way thing should and will be answered (as TheQuin said) it would be interesting to see if you do get a response at some point though but that might not be for a while (unless it's definite that you won't)?
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Any plans to implement Segwit?
I think segwit is already enabled, unless you're referring to native segwit bech address
you can withdraw to segwit P2SH address (3...) and in fact the site sends payment from 3... address too

Correct. We use Segwit to pay out withdrawals. Full Segwit support is on the todo list and as I've been using Bech32 wallets since last year I'll continue to nag wetsuit to do it.

Thanks. FYI I asked this question through the contact form, as a test to see if I'd get a reply (I didn't). Not too worried about it but if it was a bigger issue, like needing to reset 2FA or a withdrawal problem, how responsive are they? Anyone have experience with this?

Fastest way to get a response will be by asking it here. TheQuin is very active and responds to every question.
Like he also mentioned, they must get thousands of emails.
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Thanks. FYI I asked this question through the contact form, as a test to see if I'd get a reply (I didn't). Not too worried about it but if it was a bigger issue, like needing to reset 2FA or a withdrawal problem, how responsive are they? Anyone have experience with this?

We get thousands of support emails a day. We do read all of them but only the important issues will get a reply.
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Any plans to implement Segwit?
I think segwit is already enabled, unless you're referring to native segwit bech address
you can withdraw to segwit P2SH address (3...) and in fact the site sends payment from 3... address too

Correct. We use Segwit to pay out withdrawals. Full Segwit support is on the todo list and as I've been using Bech32 wallets since last year I'll continue to nag wetsuit to do it.

Thanks. FYI I asked this question through the contact form, as a test to see if I'd get a reply (I didn't). Not too worried about it but if it was a bigger issue, like needing to reset 2FA or a withdrawal problem, how responsive are they? Anyone have experience with this?
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All Casinos have special areas for VIP users.  Grin

All the best bits of freebitco.in are for players that deposit and gamble their own money.

Absolutely true. I just noticed some days ago I shouldnt go to the multiply tab when I'm drunk. Bad idea.
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blocked, so in theory you would only be left with genuine old accounts. They can then just add a prompt on the old lottery

for new users to block them from using it. {If they try to buy tickets and they are not within a specific range, then the system

just displays a message, telling them that they should buy lottery tickets from Lottery X, with a short explanation.}  Cool

We've already stopped new users from buying lottery tickets until they have completed 25 free plays. That's more than long enough for the system I came up with to find a very high percentage of the bots. I'm working with wetsuit on ways to stop the rest.

All Casinos have special areas for VIP users.  Grin

All the best bits of freebitco.in are for players that deposit and gamble their own money.
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How about splitting the Lottery into a draw for "older" accounts and then a draw for "new" accounts. These bots have to

continuously have to re-register "new" accounts to go undetected, so if you split the lottery into 2 separate Lotteries, then

the bots will only be effective in the "new" Lottery and the "old" loyal users can have their own Lottery with much less bots

having a influence on the outcome? The users can even be given a choice, where they want to buy tickets. Just put a little

disclaimer on the "new" lottery that chances are higher that this lottery would be infiltrated by bots.  Huh

Bots are actually exist since the first days of freebitcoin, at least I know there were many people abusing freebitcoin by creating many accounts to claim the free btc. If those old abusers are not banned yet, the split wont be effective as old users does not mean loyal users.
Instead of splitting the lottery, it is better if freebitcoin find a better system to avoid those bots so bots wont be able to join the lotteries. Or simply make a new requirement for the lottery, accounts should be older than xx days or account should have at least wagered xx amount on the hilo games or other requirement to minimize the bots.


If Wetsuit's bot detection was a good as TheQuin has mentioned, then most of the older bot accounts would have been

blocked, so in theory you would only be left with genuine old accounts. They can then just add a prompt on the old lottery

for new users to block them from using it. {If they try to buy tickets and they are not within a specific range, then the system

just displays a message, telling them that they should buy lottery tickets from Lottery X, with a short explanation.}  Cool

All Casinos have special areas for VIP users.  Grin
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How?

We're a cryptocurrency gambling site. The typical high roller signs up using a throwaway email address and uses TOR or VPN. They deposit, play and withdraw and then never use the account again. Sending people an email asking for information is not something that happens in this industry.

Edit: I forgot to also point out a lot of our older accounts don't even have an email address as it wasn't required for the first few years and accounts were only created by BTC address.

Thanks for explaining - did not think of that.

I'm just trying to think of ways that manual interaction is required.
The company I work for had a similar problem with a monthly competition they held last year to promote their 25th anniversary, they tried everything after the 3rd mth.
Only things (unsure if it was a combination of these or one)
Email verification, 3 question survey/question based on the site, and a Captcha. - entries dropped a good 40% after the third month and was consistent until the final month.
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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
You seem determined to ensure we don't have any genuine customers left.

You could aloways do the bet amount (in satoshi) times the bet odds to make it interesting.

So someone who bets say 1BTC with 20x odds would get 2 billion tickets...
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How?

We're a cryptocurrency gambling site. The typical high roller signs up using a throwaway email address and uses TOR or VPN. They deposit, play and withdraw and then never use the account again. Sending people an email asking for information is not something that happens in this industry.

Edit: I forgot to also point out a lot of our older accounts don't even have an email address as it wasn't required for the first few years and accounts were only created by BTC address.
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You seem determined to ensure we don't have any genuine customers left.

How? It works as a verification.
You could even add it to the site - the check seed function is already there.
Can that be integrated that one click in a certain time frame gives entry to a super draw?
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Can't you exclude them from a re-lottery if you just exclude all IDs with ID number > 15xxx that have lottery tickets between 23k to 27k or something, I bet you have the better insights to the numbers. Of course one or two legit users will also be excluded that way, but well.

My number begins 15xxxxx and I deposit to make up my entries.
Past few weeks I've 23-25k, 5-6k and 50-55k.
Does that mean I should be excluded?
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You seem determined to ensure we don't have any genuine customers left.
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I'm looking for something that can't be gamed by the botters.

Mail to all users - lottery (depending on prize fund) split between ID  ranges - and make it one entrance per email reply.

Reply with IP address, last roll Server / Client Seeds etc
With a XX hr reply time frame.

You'll be able to match the data - Plus
Botters will have to scrawl through their email boxes they generated, and provide you with IP ranges for blocking 😉
AND you know that your mailing list is up-to-date.
(Helps with Euro/UK GDPR rule's should you be approached)
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Can't you exclude them from a re-lottery if you just exclude all IDs with ID number > 15xxx that have lottery tickets between 23k to 27k or something, I bet you have the better insights to the numbers. Of course one or two legit users will also be excluded that way, but well.

Not just one or two legitimate users but thousands of them. We don't want to punish people for being new customers.
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Can't you exclude them from a re-lottery if you just exclude all IDs with ID number > 15xxx that have lottery tickets between 23k to 27k or something, I bet you have the better insights to the numbers. Of course one or two legit users will also be excluded that way, but well.
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What about a lottery by deposit in a certain period or have you found that the bots deposited?

At least one of them tried that but I don't think they will again.  Wink


I suppose what ever the suggestion to redistribute sadly will have a botting potential as it's something of monetary value.

The only thing that kind of doesn't have monetary value is the reward points.

1 Reward Point = 1 Satoshi. You can sell directly if you have more than 100,000.

I'm looking for something that can't be gamed by the botters.
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Or you just redistribute the winnings for the bots to the other lottery ticket owners of that week, a re-raffle.

That was my first idea then I realised that with the ticket database being full of bots we would just end up with another set of cheats winning.

What about a lottery by deposit in a certain period or have you found that the bots deposited?

I suppose what ever the suggestion to redistribute sadly will have a botting potential as it's something of monetary value.

The only thing that kind of doesn't have monetary value is the reward points.
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Oh that's fine I'll just send you my ID.

But yeah, true. I thought maybe you have the botnets IDs, then it wouldn't be that big of a problem
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Or you just redistribute the winnings for the bots to the other lottery ticket owners of that week, a re-raffle.

That was my first idea then I realised that with the ticket database being full of bots we would just end up with another set of cheats winning.
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