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Quote from: TheQuin on August 25, 2018, 06:39:45 AM

Quote from: jackg on August 25, 2018, 06:30:58 AM

I thought the claiming was automatic if you win? Am I wrong?

I think he meant not withdrawn. You can turn auto withdraw off if you want to. Also, we changed the signup procedure so you don't have to give a Bitcoin address anymore so there isn't an address to withdraw to unless you set one. I'm sure there are millions of accounts that only had one or two spins and have been abandoned but we can't know someone won't come back so it doesn't really matter.

Yeah... There must be people who joined initially and won a Bitcoin and never came back to the site (but maybe they will). Has there been such story ever posted specific to this site?

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Quote from: jackg on August 25, 2018, 06:30:58 AM

I thought the claiming was automatic if you win? Am I wrong?

I think he meant not withdrawn. You can turn auto withdraw off if you want to. Also, we changed the signup procedure so you don't have to give a Bitcoin address anymore so there isn't an address to withdraw to unless you set one. I'm sure there are millions of accounts that only had one or two spins and have been abandoned but we can't know someone won't come back so it doesn't really matter.

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Quote from: TheQuin on August 25, 2018, 06:21:55 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on August 25, 2018, 04:25:35 AM

By the way, it must be a few times that people win things and never claim them. Do you have statistics for unclaimed wins? I remember not so long ago there was that guy with 2 tickets who won something big.

I left my account for over two years without logging in. How do you want to define 'unclaimed'?

I thought the claiming was automatic if you win? Am I wrong?

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 25, 2018, 04:25:35 AM

By the way, it must be a few times that people win things and never claim them. Do you have statistics for unclaimed wins? I remember not so long ago there was that guy with 2 tickets who won something big.

I left my account for over two years without logging in. How do you want to define 'unclaimed'?

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Quote from: TheQuin on August 25, 2018, 02:18:38 AM

Quote from: Gary.Wilson_Jr. on August 25, 2018, 02:10:26 AM

wow.......... it's good news that I've been waiting

If the botnet problem has been resolved, is there a plan to return all the rules like last year ?
no restrictions on reward points and no prize reduction in free rolls

or will the rules remain like now ?

Those rules are part of how we got rid of a lot of them. Making it a -EV game for them means there is no incentive. If we put all the incentives back they will put more effort into defeating the systems we've developed.

Now I'd like some ideas from you. Part of making it a -EV game for botters was that we didn't pay the last persistent botter the lottery winnings last week. That means we've got a load of coins we want to distribute to genuine users. The idea I had was to add it to next weeks lottery prize pool to make it a super large payout. Any other suggestions?

Good news to hear from one of the best faucet sites in the world. I want to say the best, but maybe there are others I don't know about. I still play on this now and then. I know the faucet amount is small and I will need hundreds of days to make up the percentage bonus, so it's not what I play for here now. I want to be like those lucky people who only get 2 tickets and then win the jackpot haha.

By the way, it must be a few times that people win things and never claim them. Do you have statistics for unclaimed wins? I remember not so long ago there was that guy with 2 tickets who won something big.

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Quote from: Gary.Wilson_Jr. on August 25, 2018, 03:59:13 AM

Oh, I see

it means that you do not really get rid of them

Last week free rolls have been at 50% of the peak number and wagering volume stayed the same. Having said that there is a big spike in new signups in the last 2 days so they are trying again. There's a lot more to the way we've stopped them than I'm going to talk about here (I know they read my posts with interest) and I think most of those new accounts will get banned very quickly.

What I'm saying is if we undo the changes we've made in terms of reductions and restrictions then we'll just go back to square 1. They only started playing the lottery because we made it very difficult for them to get to minimum withdrawal before we detected them.

Quote from: Gary.Wilson_Jr. on August 25, 2018, 03:59:13 AM

the last 2 weeks they took the lottery prize very prominently
if you add a lottery prize last week to next week it's actually a good idea and surely many users are happy

but if you do that maybe the botnet will come back by randomizing the portion of the lottery ticket ownership
for example, last week they dominated with ownership of tickets around 25,000 and that caused you and the team to detect them

then to avoid being detected from you, they will randomize the portion of the lottery ticket to be irregular
I think you should save the lottery prize coin last week and distribute it after normal conditions

if I could, I would give an idea to really get rid of them
but maybe I can't because I don't know exactly how botnets work.

There's a lot more to detecting them than just how many tickets they have. Now they know that we're not going to pay them if they win the lottery I don't think they'll want to try that again. It is hard to find them sometimes in amoungst 15 million accounts but it is very easy to manually inspect 10 accounts.

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Quote from: TheQuin on August 25, 2018, 02:18:38 AM

Quote from: Gary.Wilson_Jr. on August 25, 2018, 02:10:26 AM

wow.......... it's good news that I've been waiting

If the botnet problem has been resolved, is there a plan to return all the rules like last year ?
no restrictions on reward points and no prize reduction in free rolls

or will the rules remain like now ?

Those rules are part of how we got rid of a lot of them. Making it a -EV game for them means there is no incentive. If we put all the incentives back they will put more effort into defeating the systems we've developed.

Now I'd like some ideas from you. Part of making it a -EV game for botters was that we didn't pay the last persistent botter the lottery winnings last week. That means we've got a load of coins we want to distribute to genuine users. The idea I had was to add it to next weeks lottery prize pool to make it a super large payout. Any other suggestions?

Oh, I see

it means that you do not really get rid of them

the last 2 weeks they took the lottery prize very prominently
if you add a lottery prize last week to next week it's actually a good idea and surely many users are happy

but if you do that maybe the botnet will come back by randomizing the portion of the lottery ticket ownership
for example, last week they dominated with ownership of tickets around 25,000 and that caused you and the team to detect them

then to avoid being detected from you, they will randomize the portion of the lottery ticket to be irregular
I think you should save the lottery prize coin last week and distribute it after normal conditions

if I could, I would give an idea to really get rid of them
but maybe I can't because I don't know exactly how botnets work.

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Quote from: STT on August 25, 2018, 03:17:56 AM

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they will put more effort into defeating the systems we've developed

Yes I think maybe they are there saying well if I spend 6 hours coding the bot to navigate this junction on the website I will get this pay out and its worth it to me.

That is definitely part of it. Bots never get frustrated but bot operators do. We can't reverse the reductions and restrictions because they forced the bots to change their behaviour and wager to increase the rewards. We were then able to adjust the requirements to make it -EV for them. That's why the 'you got rid of the bots now please put the rewards back and remove the restrictions' argument doesn't work.

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That means we've got a load of coins we want to distribute to genuine users. The idea I had was to add it to next weeks lottery prize pool to make it a super large payout. Any other suggestions?

I think part of defeating the bot army is to make it all less calculable for them to assemble an attack for that reward. So I wouldnt exactly just add the coins directly back in but give out this bonus towards people with genuine activity, whatever that might be but hopefully as little in resemblance to bots as can be. Maybe a long term member or returning bonus, not sure if the problem was biased to new but not real accounts

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they will put more effort into defeating the systems we've developed

Yes I think maybe they are there saying well if I spend 6 hours coding the bot to navigate this junction on the website I will get this pay out and its worth it to me.

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Quote from: TheQuin on August 25, 2018, 02:18:38 AM

Now I'd like some ideas from you. Part of making it a -EV game for botters was that we didn't pay the last persistent botter the lottery winnings last week. That means we've got a load of coins we want to distribute to genuine users. The idea I had was to add it to next weeks lottery prize pool to make it a super large payout. Any other suggestions?

Could we not have a double lottery and have 20 winners instead?
If not then your idea was a good one.

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Quote from: Gary.Wilson_Jr. on August 25, 2018, 02:10:26 AM

wow.......... it's good news that I've been waiting

If the botnet problem has been resolved, is there a plan to return all the rules like last year ?
no restrictions on reward points and no prize reduction in free rolls

or will the rules remain like now ?

Those rules are part of how we got rid of a lot of them. Making it a -EV game for them means there is no incentive. If we put all the incentives back they will put more effort into defeating the systems we've developed.

Now I'd like some ideas from you. Part of making it a -EV game for botters was that we didn't pay the last persistent botter the lottery winnings last week. That means we've got a load of coins we want to distribute to genuine users. The idea I had was to add it to next weeks lottery prize pool to make it a super large payout. Any other suggestions?

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Quote from: TheQuin on August 24, 2018, 07:57:48 AM

Quote from: rapidleech on August 24, 2018, 07:46:59 AM

Total tickets till now : 301,044,641
Seems you really killed all of those bots.
Nice job

I'm pretty pleased with that so far Wink

wow.......... it's good news that I've been waiting

If the botnet problem has been resolved, is there a plan to return all the rules like last year ?
no restrictions on reward points and no prize reduction in free rolls

or will the rules remain like now ?

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Quote from: babygun on August 24, 2018, 01:20:17 PM

Good to see that the fight against bots is going well!

@TheQuin: I have changed from job and sometimes I need to go to the USA (i live in Belgium). Will it form a problem when I will log in with a different IP? The (work) laptop makes use a vpn, does that form a problem?

The only problem would be using a public VPN service. If the IP address is listed as being a VPN address then it will be blocked from free-rolls unless you meet some wagering requirements. We allow high rollers to play from anonymously but not free players.

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Quote from: babygun on August 24, 2018, 01:20:17 PM

Will it form a problem when I will log in with a different IP? The (work) laptop makes use a vpn, does that form a problem?

there shouldn't be a problem,
but if you logging in from different IP subnet, the site usually sends confirmation email
you need to click the link before you can relogin, I think it's a security measure for non 2FA account
It happened to me before because I didn't set 2FA on my account (google auth)

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Quote from: babygun on August 24, 2018, 01:20:17 PM

Good to see that the fight against bots is going well!

@TheQuin: I have changed from job and sometimes I need to go to the USA (i live in Belgium). Will it form a problem when I will log in with a different IP? The (work) laptop makes use a vpn, does that form a problem?

Nope that should still be alright - as long as bots haven't been run through the vpn although if they have, you can run an instance of tor or something similar at the same time in order to hide your regular IP.

I went on holiday and connected to the site while there to do something and I got through fine.

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Good to see that the fight against bots is going well!

@TheQuin: I have changed from job and sometimes I need to go to the USA (i live in Belgium). Will it form a problem when I will log in with a different IP? The (work) laptop makes use a vpn, does that form a problem?

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Quote from: Kprawn on August 24, 2018, 10:41:43 AM

Wow, looks like you did too much good work on the bots. The 1st prize is very low for a Friday. { 0.43472280 BTC } but the

ticket sales are on par with what we had prior to the bot invasion. Huh

I would rather compete for a lower prize than having to

compete with multiple bots. Send our regards and Thanks to Wetsuit for all his hard work. Guess it's time to buy more tickets

again. Grin

Says the guy who rolled his eyes at me when I told him that on Monday. I'd also like to thank a couple of people that contacted me with some useful information about how the bots work.

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Wow, looks like you did too much good work on the bots. The 1st prize is very low for a Friday. { 0.43472280 BTC } but the

ticket sales are on par with what we had prior to the bot invasion. Huh

I would rather compete for a lower prize than having to

compete with multiple bots. Send our regards and Thanks to Wetsuit for all his hard work. Guess it's time to buy more tickets

again. Grin

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Quote from: jackg on August 24, 2018, 10:05:49 AM

Maybe you just got unlucky with the IPs that you got and those were linked to something else like a vpn or a tor exit node that was known for it's "evil"... I think that's more likely thant wetsuit whitelisting a certain IP without someone PMming him.

Yes, sometimes the address lists have addresses incorrectly catalogued as being Tor/VPN/Proxy when they aren't really.

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Quote from: ukr_skiff on August 24, 2018, 09:59:54 AM

Quote from: TheQuin on August 20, 2018, 06:48:44 AM

Quote from: ukr_skiff on August 20, 2018, 06:42:09 AM

Yes, I changed the IP address

PM me your user ID and the IP addresses and I'll ask the admin to have a look to see what you did to get banned.

very strange, but after I wrote to you, the next day I was able to play on the site, what is it connected with? Maybe my ISP came under suspicion, and then you realized that this was a mistake, and unblock it?

Maybe you just got unlucky with the IPs that you got and those were linked to something else like a vpn or a tor exit node that was known for it's "evil"... I think that's more likely thant wetsuit whitelisting a certain IP without someone PMming him.

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