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I also think that he’s most likely to continue playing for PSG. But if he actually wants to see some success in his life, he has to move away from PSG. Because PSG is absolutely spoiling him.

Mbappe cannot leave psg now, he has a big contract with them and i feel he is also happy staying in his country France while playing for psg. Mbappe is one of the most valuable footballers today, so for a team to buy Mbappe right now they have to pay a very huge amount of money, and many teams are not going to pay that, Madrid were so close to signing him last summer, but it was easier for them because he was at the end of his contract, now that he has a new contract with psg i don't think they will let him go, and even if they will sell him, it will be for over 150 million pounds, and i don't know the team that will want to spend that much. He is already having success in psg by the way, and even if they do treat him in a special way, he is getting spoilt because he chose to himself.

messi and neymar have ever won the champions league trophy when they were still in barcelona but mbappe has never won a UCL trophy

if mbappe continues to be at PSG, it's the same as closing his own wing, he is a great player and most of the great players are always at madrid because they know how to win all the trophies, very different from PSG

Indeed, PSG has the most expensive and best lineup of players right now. Even better than Real Madrid. But PSG regularly fail to qualify for the Champions League finals. Probably because they have no serious rivals in Ligue 1 and their level of play is much higher. But it's hard for them to compete in the Champions League with Madrid or Bayern. I hope Mbappe will play in the Champions League final this season as he did in the World Cup.

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I don't know what will happen with PSG in future but at the moment we know that they usually get negative net in finance in many seasons. That is not good for them to unable to earn income from sports itself and rely on their owner group.

Real Madrid use leverages too but they are one of best clubs in aspect of earning money from football. They are one of most successful clubs in history and PSG are too small to compare with Real Madrid.

I don't know for sure about finances in more detail. But bringing in some star players is also a strategy for marketing. The purchase of Messi and other stars is not without purpose. I read the local media that messi's purchase brought 700 million euros in income. Money from sponsors gets an increase of 13%. Jersey sales and spectator tickets also have a large income. According to sources I've read they sold 1 million jerseys last season. Indeed, when compared to Madrid, of course, PSG is a new club that has not been heard for a long time. They achieved success because investors came.

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Signing star players, especially those who are a little old, is actually not intended to strengthen the existing squad (although many of them can improve team performance) but are nothing but profitable from a business perspective, usually clubs are willing to pay dearly by reviewing the capacity and popularity of these players so that by so at least it can increase the popularity and also the club's income from jersey sales or sponsorships, I think that's why PSG used to dare to sign Messi at a pretty fantastic price considering its extraordinary fans today, the same thing Juventus did when they signed Ronaldo from Madrid with the reason of wanting to get the champions league trophy, even though Juventus were constantly blasphemed for buying Ronaldo at a high price but were unable to bring Juventus to win the champions league, but I think instead juventus won in terms of financial benefits while signing Ronaldo at that time.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 21, 2022, 06:31:52 PM

I don't have any doubt that Real Madrid would be able to provide the same contract conditions to Mbappe if they want. However I don't expect any official offer from them in the near future. Especially after he has preferred to stay instead of signing for Real Madrid, there is no need to push their luck now. Mbappe is clearly happy with his game here.

There would really be another opportunity for Real Madrid in the future. But they don't even need him for now to be successful. Ancelotti is very pleased with the team quality now and he is already doing a marvelous work. While you are able to win the Champions League with the current squad, there is no need to splurge on a player.

I think no other club would have given Mbappe the number of opportunities PSG management has given him. And that's why Mbappe has been interested in joining Madrid every season, but he ended up signing a contract extension with PSG. PSG paid a lot of money for Mbappe. But teams like Madrid or Manchester United are ready to spend this amount of money. But they won't let Mbappe interfere in the club's internal affairs. PSG management, on the other hand, prioritizes Mbappe's opinion on all matters internal to the club. This is why Mbappe is not leaving PSG. It is foolish to think that Mbappe is only at PSG for money.

The truth is that every club needs Mbappe including Real Madrid, there is no club that we have the opportunity to get Mbappe and they will not like to have him. Even if they are being sceptical about his ability to play good football the concluded World Cup has proved everything that Mbappe is a superstar.
If Mbappe gives an opportunity to Madrid to sign him they will not think twice .
They are still interested in him you cannot say that Madrid doesn't need Mbappe because Mbappe is needed by every Club

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Quote from: hd49728 on December 22, 2022, 05:27:52 AM

I don't know what will happen with PSG in future but at the moment we know that they usually get negative net in finance in many seasons. That is not good for them to unable to earn income from sports itself and rely on their owner group.

Real Madrid use leverages too but they are one of best clubs in aspect of earning money from football. They are one of most successful clubs in history and PSG are too small to compare with Real Madrid.

I don't know for sure about finances in more detail. But bringing in some star players is also a strategy for marketing. The purchase of Messi and other stars is not without purpose. I read the local media that messi's purchase brought 700 million euros in income. Money from sponsors gets an increase of 13%. Jersey sales and spectator tickets also have a large income. According to sources I've read they sold 1 million jerseys last season. Indeed, when compared to Madrid, of course, PSG is a new club that has not been heard for a long time. They achieved success because investors came.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 21, 2022, 06:31:52 PM

I don't have any doubt that Real Madrid would be able to provide the same contract conditions to Mbappe if they want. However I don't expect any official offer from them in the near future. Especially after he has preferred to stay instead of signing for Real Madrid, there is no need to push their luck now. Mbappe is clearly happy with his game here.

Did you meant this? Real madrid already prepared one billion euro for mbappe. I didn't know whether that rumor will be true or not but i wonder whether PSG wanna let him leave from the club in the next summer?

Quote from: Velvet78 on December 21, 2022, 06:31:52 PM

There would really be another opportunity for Real Madrid in the future. But they don't even need him for now to be successful. Ancelotti is very pleased with the team quality now and he is already doing a marvelous work. While you are able to win the Champions League with the current squad, there is no need to splurge on a player.

I don't think so. It seems like that mbappe didn't like anymore to be in the same team with messi. I will support him to go to the real madrid. 1 billion was a lot for him.It must become the biggest transfer. Messi agreed to continue his career with PSG but there was no further confirmation regarding this rumour. I think that news was 75% true.

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Quote from: Docnaster on December 22, 2022, 02:18:29 AM

We all know PSG is a rich team just like Real Madrid. They are doing everything possible to retain Kylian Mbappe, but about the future, I think there are a bit too extravagant. Some years ago, so many clubs went bankrupt as a result of this same act. clubs like PARMA FC (105 million euros dept) GLASGOW RANGERS (30 million pounds debt), Fiorentina (32 million pounds debt ) so many other clubs went bankrupt some years after indulging in this same act. I wish PSG isn't the next victim of bankruptcy.

They even have better finance than Real Madrid with support from their owner but their model is not sustainable as same as Real Madrid's. You are so realistic to compare PSG with bankrupted club like Parma and in reality we have more examples from Deportivo La Coruna, Leeds United, SS Lazio, SS Napoli. They overpsent money after one or two successful seasons, over leveraged and got bankrupted.

I don't know what will happen with PSG in future but at the moment we know that they usually get negative net in finance in many seasons. That is not good for them to unable to earn income from sports itself and rely on their owner group.

Real Madrid use leverages too but they are one of best clubs in aspect of earning money from football. They are one of most successful clubs in history and PSG are too small to compare with Real Madrid.

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I also think that he’s most likely to continue playing for PSG. But if he actually wants to see some success in his life, he has to move away from PSG. Because PSG is absolutely spoiling him.

Mbappe cannot leave psg now, he has a big contract with them and i feel he is also happy staying in his country France while playing for psg. Mbappe is one of the most valuable footballers today, so for a team to buy Mbappe right now they have to pay a very huge amount of money, and many teams are not going to pay that, Madrid were so close to signing him last summer, but it was easier for them because he was at the end of his contract, now that he has a new contract with psg i don't think they will let him go, and even if they will sell him, it will be for over 150 million pounds, and i don't know the team that will want to spend that much. He is already having success in psg by the way, and even if they do treat him in a special way, he is getting spoilt because he chose to himself.

messi and neymar have ever won the champions league trophy when they were still in barcelona but mbappe has never won a UCL trophy

if mbappe continues to be at PSG, it's the same as closing his own wing, he is a great player and most of the great players are always at madrid because they know how to win all the trophies, very different from PSG

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I think no other club would have given Mbappe the number of opportunities PSG management has given him. And that's why Mbappe has been interested in joining Madrid every season, but he ended up signing a contract extension with PSG. PSG paid a lot of money for Mbappe. But teams like Madrid or Manchester United are ready to spend this amount of money. But they won't let Mbappe interfere in the club's internal affairs. PSG management, on the other hand, prioritizes Mbappe's opinion on all matters internal to the club. This is why Mbappe is not leaving PSG. It is foolish to think that Mbappe is only at PSG for money.

The salary Mbappe is receiving in PSG with a new contract is insane which he can not find in other clubs. If big clubs keep raising their salary ceilings, soon we will see massive collapses in finance from them. I do think they know about risk they are facing with if they join the insane salary race.

Mbappe if want to join another big club, he will have to sacrifice his salary and accept a lower salary. He has to choose between winning trophies, personal awards rather than receiving highest salary. Honestly, at PSG level, they are already in a top range in Europe but to win trophies, awards, Real Madrid is a better choice for Mbappe. Beyond Real Madrid, I can not find another good club for him.

But one risk factor, the long time President of Real Madrid Florentino Perez is already too old and that club can have big change in upper structure at any time. That can put Real Madrid in a few years of crisis if it happens.

We all know PSG is a rich team just like Real Madrid. They are doing everything possible to retain Kylian Mbappe, but about the future, I think there are a bit too extravagant. Some years ago, so many clubs went bankrupt as a result of this same act. clubs like PARMA FC (105 million euros dept) GLASGOW RANGERS (30 million pounds debt), Fiorentina (32 million pounds debt ) so many other clubs went bankrupt some years after indulging in this same act. I wish PSG isn't the next victim of bankruptcy.

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Quote from: BALIK on December 21, 2022, 09:07:26 PM

I think no other club would have given Mbappe the number of opportunities PSG management has given him. And that's why Mbappe has been interested in joining Madrid every season, but he ended up signing a contract extension with PSG. PSG paid a lot of money for Mbappe. But teams like Madrid or Manchester United are ready to spend this amount of money. But they won't let Mbappe interfere in the club's internal affairs. PSG management, on the other hand, prioritizes Mbappe's opinion on all matters internal to the club. This is why Mbappe is not leaving PSG. It is foolish to think that Mbappe is only at PSG for money.

The salary Mbappe is receiving in PSG with a new contract is insane which he can not find in other clubs. If big clubs keep raising their salary ceilings, soon we will see massive collapses in finance from them. I do think they know about risk they are facing with if they join the insane salary race.

Mbappe if want to join another big club, he will have to sacrifice his salary and accept a lower salary. He has to choose between winning trophies, personal awards rather than receiving highest salary. Honestly, at PSG level, they are already in a top range in Europe but to win trophies, awards, Real Madrid is a better choice for Mbappe. Beyond Real Madrid, I can not find another good club for him.

But one risk factor, the long time President of Real Madrid Florentino Perez is already too old and that club can have big change in upper structure any time. That can put Real Madrid in a few years of crisis if it happens.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 21, 2022, 06:31:52 PM

I don't have any doubt that Real Madrid would be able to provide the same contract conditions to Mbappe if they want. However I don't expect any official offer from them in the near future. Especially after he has preferred to stay instead of signing for Real Madrid, there is no need to push their luck now. Mbappe is clearly happy with his game here.

There would really be another opportunity for Real Madrid in the future. But they don't even need him for now to be successful. Ancelotti is very pleased with the team quality now and he is already doing a marvelous work. While you are able to win the Champions League with the current squad, there is no need to splurge on a player.

I think no other club would have given Mbappe the number of opportunities PSG management has given him. And that's why Mbappe has been interested in joining Madrid every season, but he ended up signing a contract extension with PSG. PSG paid a lot of money for Mbappe. But teams like Madrid or Manchester United are ready to spend this amount of money. But they won't let Mbappe interfere in the club's internal affairs. PSG management, on the other hand, prioritizes Mbappe's opinion on all matters internal to the club. This is why Mbappe is not leaving PSG. It is foolish to think that Mbappe is only at PSG for money.

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I don't have any doubt that Real Madrid would be able to provide the same contract conditions to Mbappe if they want. However I don't expect any official offer from them in the near future. Especially after he has preferred to stay instead of signing for Real Madrid, there is no need to push their luck now. Mbappe is clearly happy with his game here.

There would really be another opportunity for Real Madrid in the future. But they don't even need him for now to be successful. Ancelotti is very pleased with the team quality now and he is already doing a marvelous work. While you are able to win the Champions League with the current squad, there is no need to splurge on a player.

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Quote from: Tony116 on December 21, 2022, 03:37:23 PM

I also think that he’s most likely to continue playing for PSG. But if he actually wants to see some success in his life, he has to move away from PSG. Because PSG is absolutely spoiling him.

The question is who wants to take him with a very large condition clause and an expensive salary now?
Last season Madrid still wanted him but for now I don't think that even though many people say that rumors of Madrid still exist but I don't believe in that. Apart from Madrid and the rich clubs owned by other Middle Eastern sheikhs I think it is very difficult for him to leave now.

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Quote from: Tony116 on December 21, 2022, 03:37:23 PM

I also think that he’s most likely to continue playing for PSG. But if he actually wants to see some success in his life, he has to move away from PSG. Because PSG is absolutely spoiling him.

Mbappe cannot leave psg now, he has a big contract with them and i feel he is also happy staying in his country France while playing for psg. Mbappe is one of the most valuable footballers today, so for a team to buy Mbappe right now they have to pay a very huge amount of money, and many teams are not going to pay that, Madrid were so close to signing him last summer, but it was easier for them because he was at the end of his contract, now that he has a new contract with psg i don't think they will let him go, and even if they will sell him, it will be for over 150 million pounds, and i don't know the team that will want to spend that much. He is already having success in psg by the way, and even if they do treat him in a special way, he is getting spoilt because he chose to himself.

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The only thing that Mbappé has in his favor is that he is 23 years old and has many World Cups ahead of him, at least two more can be scored for him, and he can play them with everything he has, I think it could be up to 3 consecutively if age doesn't allow it. He hits like some players, I would dare to say that he can hold up to 4 world cups if he trains hard, for now Mbappé has a very good future of staying at PSG or going to another team, I don't think he has a life anymore at Real Madrid, because Whoever rejects Real Madrid Florentino Pérez never gives second chances again, it is a very elite and superior club.

For now, I think that Mbappé's best future will be at PSG, despite his many whims that he has to take out players, it is something that he must mature and be humble, I think that in the World Cup he taught him a lot in a short time, he still needs to see if he learned or not.

I am not gonna lie, even though I think that Lionel Messi was the deserving player to win the World Cup, I would say that Kylian Mbappé was not any less deserving as well. He did everything he could in that match. He did not play well towards the first.

Actually, I think if he could play well toward the first 80 minutes of the match, France could have had a better chance of winning the match. But as you said, he is only 23 years old. And he has a lot of world cups ahead of him. And the biggest thing is that he has won the World Cup already.

I also think that he’s most likely to continue playing for PSG. But if he actually wants to see some success in his life, he has to move away from PSG. Because PSG is absolutely spoiling him.

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Quote from: harapan on December 19, 2022, 01:46:05 PM

In competitions like this the clubs with the best odds hardly win the cup. It's not about the odds and it's not also just about the stars. I believe PSG will knock out Bayern Munich since Neure is out injured. Aside that, PSG have been a better team than Bayern this season. Man City and PSG are the two teams I tip to win the ucl this season. I strongly believe the winner will be one of them.

There is no clear reason as to how they managed to beat Bayern now.
Looking at the chances of winning and the experience PSG have lost to Bayern, on the other hand, when looking at players, PSG does have a line of players who can bring their team to the final point of the world cup, but when playing as a club, Bayern is much better and of course the proof is visible to those who play in the group stage.
I think that with conditions like that, being overly confident at the start will obviously make you a little confused. Even last season, many believed that in the end they were hit by the fact that PSG lost in the last 16.

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It would be very funny if Mbappe wanted to kick Messi from PSG just because of losing that tough rivalry in the World Cup. Cheesy

Joking aside, I agree that the supporters will be welcoming both of these players happily. Mbappe's performance was already very important for his country so he will definitely be welcomed warmly. He showed an amazing performance in the finale by making a hat-trick despite the bad effort of the team in general. Messi's effort is also important for PSG actually. He will be very motivated and have full concentration on his next targets from now on. This can help PSG even more about making it to the Champions League title and complete the missing piece of the puzzle.

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I've been reading some stuff about how will PSG fans react when Messi will comeback to train for PSG as that is something I'm looking forward to watch and see how pressure will evolve further. With Martinez doing a lot of crazy stuff about Mbappe and kinda trolling him , I don't think Messi comeback will be cheered in Paris but also I don't think Mbappe will look on Messi as he did before this final. Overall , I think only the fans will be lousy for some time and then if PSG wins UCL , I'm sure everything will be forgive haha.

I think most times we shouldn't give much attention to paper talk because they can make minor issues look so big and real in order for them to make some gain out of it especially in the case were you have football stars and other celebrities. The return of Messi to PSG for training is going to be special because a lot of people especially his fans will be so delighted to see him back in training camp after his heroic performance in the world cup that gave his country Argentina the world cup trophy, not just the coming back of Messi but Mbappe and all the stars that performed well in the world cup but the issues involving Argentina goalkeeper and Mbappe I think is a mere talk because the world cup is over everyone is going to move on regardless of all their encounters. Messi and Mbappe made a spectacular performance during the world cup and I think they deserve nothing but a warm welcome because they are wonderful.

Is it possible that professional players and clubs cannot accept defeat, so that it may be difficult for Messi to be well received for beating France in the World Cup final. I don't think this will happen because after all, it is normal for it to happen and it has often happened in the past too and they are still good. However, considering that Mbappe has special privileges at PSG, chaos or disagreements can occur, because Mbappe himself is basically young and still has an unstable attitude.
But I'm sure they will still be fine in the team, because they also still have the main goal of winning the Champions League title.

So yes, as a professional player and club, of course they will continue to maintain good chemistry, because the celebrations are also over and of course they have a good way to act as friends in the team, it is no longer about competition at the World Cup yesterday.
After all, PSG players have played very well in the World Cup, so this should at least make PSG's performance even better and can promise to go further in the Champions League.

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Quote from: boltz on December 21, 2022, 12:47:35 PM

I've been reading some stuff about how will PSG fans react when Messi will comeback to train for PSG as that is something I'm looking forward to watch and see how pressure will evolve further. With Martinez doing a lot of crazy stuff about Mbappe and kinda trolling him , I don't think Messi comeback will be cheered in Paris but also I don't think Mbappe will look on Messi as he did before this final. Overall , I think only the fans will be lousy for some time and then if PSG wins UCL , I'm sure everything will be forgive haha.

I think most times we shouldn't give much attention to paper talk because they can make minor issues look so big and real in order for them to make some gain out of it especially in the case were you have football stars and other celebrities. The return of Messi to PSG for training is going to be special because a lot of people especially his fans will be so delighted to see him back in training camp after his heroic performance in the world cup that gave his country Argentina the world cup trophy, not just the coming back of Messi but Mbappe and all the stars that performed well in the world cup but the issues involving Argentina goalkeeper and Mbappe I think is a mere talk because the world cup is over everyone is going to move on regardless of all their encounters. Messi and Mbappe made a spectacular performance during the world cup and I think they deserve nothing but a warm welcome because they are wonderful.

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I've been reading some stuff about how will PSG fans react when Messi will comeback to train for PSG as that is something I'm looking forward to watch and see how pressure will evolve further. With Martinez doing a lot of crazy stuff about Mbappe and kinda trolling him , I don't think Messi comeback will be cheered in Paris but also I don't think Mbappe will look on Messi as he did before this final. Overall , I think only the fans will be lousy for some time and then if PSG wins UCL , I'm sure everything will be forgive haha.

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Quote from: tranthidung on December 21, 2022, 03:30:54 AM

I am sure Mbappe will leave PSG in future. He perhaps will complete his newest three-year contract with PSG but after that he will likely to find another challenge.

It is not because he is not happy in PSG but more importantly because Ligue 1 is too small for him. He will have a bigger career if he plays in Premier League or La Liga. With his ability, I am certainly that he can play well in both leagues. A departure day of Mbappe will be seen sooner or later.

I really believe that even if Mbappe win Champions League and Ballon d'Or with PSG, he will still leave to other leagues. Mbappe will be another player like Ibrahimovic, Cristiano Ronaldo, not like Messi who spent most of his career in Barcelona and La Liga.

Kylian Mbappe was handed the biggest EVER contract for a sportsperson when he signed his new deal at PSG... and 'will earn a staggering £547m over the next three years', according to French media reports

I think that Mbappe can leave even before the end of his record contract - after all, if all three parties (Mbappe, PSG and the buyer club) reach an agreement, then why not. I don't believe that with PSG he will win the Champions League and I am sure that all seasons in the farm league are lost seasons for a player of his caliber. His goals scored are clearly not equal to the goals of his direct competitor - Haaland.

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