Topic: Fuck your vaccines (Read 10190 times)

I stumbled across some vaccination records a few days ago.  Back in the mid 1960's very many fewer were the schedule.  I spent my first year in what were effectively third-world conditions.  After a year I was back in civilization and got 'caught up' for the first time.

I never get infections from wounds.  I get the sniffles and flu like everyone else but it almost never stops me from doing anything.  Only one time in a decade would I have stayed home from work, but there was a super critical project going on so I went in anyway and spent the day in a server room.

The nasty thing about vaccines is that in order to make them 'work' (meaning make one develop titers in the blood which last for a while which is the 'scientific' legal, and economic definition) it is necessary to use adjuvants.  These turbo-charge one part of the immune system (the part which works using antibodies.)  One problem is that the immune system is constantly at work beating down parts of one's own body which are misbehaving.  The adjuvants (usually aluminum) are non-specific.  It is no surprise at all that this turbo-charging of one element of the immune system would result in a cascade of auto-immunity problems, cancers, etc.  And that is exactly what we are seeing as the schedule calls for more and more vaccines at an earlier and earlier age.

I consider myself really lucky to have gone my first year vaccine free, in a non-sterile environment, and breastfeeding.  I suspect that your instinct on letting you immune system work on it's own is the correct one for anyone who doesn't have some sort of congenital defect.

I myself will not get vaccinated as feel it's better to not mess with the body's immune system

Why is everyone so strongly opposed to vaccination? After all, is there still a profit or not? However, there is one thought that some groups of people specifically create different kinds of viruses in order to successfully sell vaccines to people. And earnings will not be bad.

Some people will be spurred to do their own research, and some of them will end up being willing and able to help re-build society once the scum are tarred and feathered and run out on a rail.

Others will not and, because I can,  I'm going to have to keep paying for all of the fucked up imbeciles which are being created at break-neck pace right now.  The insane vaccination regimes we are under these days are at least a part of the problem.  The more I research this subject, the more obvious it becomes.

So, time well spent even if it were not driven strictly by ethics.

BTW, I've never had much fear of needles and I've had my share of vaccinations via them and via air-gun.  At least we (in the military) were told that what we were getting were vaccines, but there is really no way to really know.  It's fairly well documented that various entities take advantage of both prisoners and military personnel to perform studies of this and that.  If the administer of a shot is good and there is a little bit of luck, I don't even feel the needle at all.

Really dude? There are better ways to waste time than posting against vaccines.


This ^

That's what I said. It's not realistic. It's more likely that we'll find a a way to stall aging and life become a "pay for life years" scheme than for them to replace everyone with droids.


People would probably find this disturbing. Not everyone would appreciate becoming a snowflake dissipating in an ocean. It could come sooner than we expect though. Neurologist already have ways of predicting what choices people would they before them become conscious of their decision (and also opens up the debate whether we actually have free will). The device they're using is currently bulky but with the rate technology progresses, we can't really tell. Same goes for TMS. They can actually temporarily turn you into a psychopath by stimulating/dampening certain areas of the brain.

Hopefully though we'd get nanobots before we reach neural networks. If we can simply have bots circulating in our body fighting off infections, we won't have any need for vaccines.

Some institutions are dedicated to this (Tavistock, Annenberg, various think-tank 'institutes', etc).  In most 'institutes of higher learning' the subject is studiously ignored.  Not unlike monetary system considerations where one can master most undergraduate economics coursework and have no clue what 'money' even is for instance.  At least lower-division coursework.  I personally have no hands-on familiarity with the details of the upper-division stuff.

We must already get used to the fact that people are ruled and do it very professionally. Of course, influence on the public has political and financial meaning. And ways of influence are being studied even in institutions.

Classic trick for moving the herd in whatever direction is desired.  Once one knows the trick one notices it being used in some variation all over the place.  Usually by slimeballs or their useful idiot minions.

I totally agree. One should be able to decide whether or not to have themselves, or their children, vaccinated.

Isn't this allready widely accepted from certain religious groups?

In certain third world nations, some of the radical religious groups (such as the Jehova's Witnesses and the Wahabbis) urge their followers to shun vaccinations and modern medicine. Actually, I don't really care if their children get crippled. But here, they are also putting the other children to risk as well.

People doing bad things is probably a bigger threat to members of society than naturally occurring pathogens.

If everyone were fitted with a neural lace for monitoring, crime in it's various forms could be reduced to near zero.  Anyone who was about to commit a crime, or even get themselves into trouble by doing something dangerous, could be stopped from harming others or saved from themselves.

Such a thing would have other benefits as well.  Instant and intimate feelversations with anyone else in the hive, regardless of geo-location, would be trivial (and the amount you pay the corporation would probably be less than an SMS of a few years ago.)  Also, no need to try to remember a bunch of passwords.

A neural lace would probably be much less invasive to the human body than manipulation of our immune systems which are highly complex.  If corporations performed the safety studies (with science!) and government entities signed off on the studies, would you be comfortable having one grown within your brain and initiated?  Would you be comfortable forcing others who have some 'crazy paranoia' thing going and don't trust the powers that be to avoid mis-using the framework to undergo the procedure?

Do you really think that in the future they might want to replace all people with robots, even in ordinary life? It is clear that to do some work, the droids will be much better than man, but this is for production, and life remains a life and it is the prerogative of a living being.

I don't live in the US and don't know those people. Who are they to decide anyway up to what age an individual should live?! The government don't own people. If they want to kill off people for the "noble" cause of keeping population in check, then they should start with themselves and become martyrs to their cause.

I wouldn't compare mandatory vaccination to being forced to let go of my body and upload my mind into a droid. The droid example sounded more like a punishment. I may be overthinking stuff but I believe the reason for forced vaccination is not to protect the individual but the group as a whole. Why would I want possible vectors walking around when they can be immunized to prevent them infecting the weaker members who can't get a vaccination (for example the really young and old).

I agree with the AI sham though. Droids would probably require less maintenance than organic bodies, which is bad for capitalism which thrive on consumption. And don't get me started on being uploaded into a global SIM city. They wouldn't be able to make money out of that.

If you live around where I live in where you see children who are supposed to be in school but are incapacitated and have now turn into beggars due to what can be avoided in the first place without no fault of theirs, then you will know the importance of vaccination for the body or you became a victim of disease or even know someone who became a victim of disease a migrant brought into the country that could have been avoided with vaccination, the you will have a rethink about how important it is to get vaccinated...

Give this man a cookie. You have the good sense your parents gave you. It's rare here, and welcome aboard.

Even if you did (the paranoid) believe that vaccines are harmful, despite an overwhelming majority of scientific evidence which suggest otherwise, you have to concede that the benefits (not dying for the majority of folks) greatly outweigh the risks (possibly dying for a few folks, or developing autism). If I'm going to roll a d00 in the game of life, fuck it, I'll take those chances. And depend on my Constitution bonus because I'm a dwarf.

Oh, BTW folks, the earth is flat, and aliens killed Kennedy.

True story.

Vaccines is  very important to our bodies so that it can control against diseases and prevent diseases like hepatitis A, hepatitis B, polio, mumps, measles, rubella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, chickenpox, ...and some others..Vaccines give you the power to protect your children from getting sick.It also important to adult it give strong to our immune system..

if the biggest reason why preventing yourself from contracting a debilitating viral infection is because you're afraid of a 1 second poke, maybe you need to grow a pair.

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel , Obamacare contributor and brother of former Obama chief of staff Rahm, beat me to it.

I sort of respect the guy for stating his beliefs and making his argument, and I'm not at all surprised to see him be censored by people who very likely have a similar belief.  The main difference would be that those who censored the guy mostly believe that your life should not extend past a particular age but not necessarily their own.

I don't think I would enjoin in a suicide pact with a guy like Emanuel, and if I did, I'd be like 'trust but verify'.

I am predicting that by the time I'm scheduled for the mortal coil I'll be offered 'immortality' (upload into the borg) if I choose to go easily, or to struggle against the very same useful idiot a-holes who are currently calling for forced injection at gunpoint ('For the greater good' of course.)  I also predict that the AI immortality will be a total sham.

But doesn't measles make your immune system "forget" previous infections, allowing you to get, for example, chickenpox again even if you have already developed immunity to it in the past?

By the way, you saying we need more diseases to limit population is just cruel. What would you suggest next, a maximum age limit for existence?