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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 05:25:48 AM

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

I consider myself a gamer but as far as my knowledge is a concerned, I don't see yet an MMORPG or any likes that has a real gambling feature such as a casino so I can't start an argument or discussion about it.

In the game Fallout: New Vegas, the gambling purpose is intentional at this Fallout series. We won't see such a feature on the usual MMORPG.

My bottom line, for now, I doubt we will see a usual MMORPG that will implement a gambling with real money. But you know, they are already profiting from their own gacha system on which can be compared now as doing gambling since it needs money to purchase those credits.

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Generally, I think this is a good combination, but of course, it should be noted that this kind of games tend to be even more addictive, so it would be best if there were options for players whether they want the gambling feature implemented or not. The same goes for underaged players - at least there should be a warning sign or some sort of permission request.

But it's strictly the addiction part that concerns me here. If we're talking about the involvement of money in the gaming industry, it wouldn't be fair to blame the gambling part here, because, let's face it, nowadays almost ALL games, even the harmless ones designed for kids, involve money.
It's not necessary, but you always get these attractive propositions to pay for some sort of coins, equipping, or whatever, depends on the game you're playing, in order to advance.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 05:25:48 AM

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs - like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Video games are fun to play but I doubt gamblers will spend too much time on this since many prefer an easy game to win like on slots game, roulette and card game but with regards to a video games, a serious one will be the one to adopt and some will just ignore it. Though the idea is great, you just have to know who is your target market and do necessary promotions to attract gamers and gamblers at the same time.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 05:25:48 AM

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs - like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

children should stay away from anything that allows them to earn money playing because the chances of them becoming addicted, prostituting, stealing, killing for money is too high. most people, because of lack of attention when they were children, have become adults with inappropriate behaviors. I am in favor of restricting games of chance to children as much as possible, we don't want to have more addicted people out there, the disaster that addiction brings is something most of the time irreversible

Quote from: semobo on July 12, 2021, 12:44:23 PM

And the age limit is there for every game but I bet no one is going to follow it, if there is a pop up which are are you over 18? then everyone is going to click 'yes'.

worse is that there are many 18 year olds who still need to mature and have responsibilities and when they are exposed to things like gambling they lose in the world of addiction

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Gambling without money is normal, its only the money based risk which is a legal issue to any extent I think. Gambling in games is already a thing due to loot drops and case opens and so on, as these are payable for money then its already a thing for quite some time now. This not a small industry, I think it amounts to billions now and explains a large part of why free to play games are mainstream major titles now and the companies retailing them are valued as some of the largest companies on the planet.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on July 12, 2021, 11:55:51 AM

When things get mixed with gambling the outcome will be more dangerous to the young generation. At this age they won't know to restrict them within the line to be on the safe side.

Regardless, these young ones will still be exposed to gambling.

Putting an in-game gambling for the types of MMORPG games is not new as it's no difference when purchasing a VIP membership or in-game currency.

It will be a Pay to Win system and the majority of casual gamers aren't into that. Only whales of the game will surely bet on the gambling feature so it doesn't actually harm the young generations.

True, this had been existing for a while now because there are scenarios on where there's some spin a wheel option for you to take some possible good bonuses or items in the game
which simply a gamble in the sense that you would really be putting up money just for that specific chance to get the item but honestly it is still throwing off your money into something
which it isnt guaranteed but the whole concept was really just similar to gambling and you are right that young ones or those old fellas are already exposed to gambling
but in the sense or way of gaming but they arent aware on that.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 05:25:48 AM

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs - like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

There is a line that you missed which has been integrated more and more in recent times, as payment abilities have caught up - microtransactions. Personally I find basic card games or virtual slots to be extremely unappealing, the only thrill you could possibly get from them is if they rewarded you with money after a bet. Modern videogames are hyper immersive environments however, even tricking the mind into hardcore adrenaline pumping because the graphics become so realistic. Microtransactions are the real hazard to young people as it can introduce them to paying for virtual trash, numbers in a database connected with some fancy artwork that will vanish as the game ages.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on July 12, 2021, 11:55:51 AM

When things get mixed with gambling the outcome will be more dangerous to the young generation. At this age they won't know to restrict them within the line to be on the safe side.

Regardless, these young ones will still be exposed to gambling.

Putting an in-game gambling for the types of MMORPG games is not new as it's no difference when purchasing a VIP membership or in-game currency.

It will be a Pay to Win system and the majority of casual gamers aren't into that. Only whales of the game will surely bet on the gambling feature so it doesn't actually harm the young generations.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 05:25:48 AM

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

This is just the evolution of games in my opinion so the end-user needs to know or decide that whether they are gambling or playing it but I see those new implementations as a strategy to lure more players so they can make more money. And the age limit is there for every game but I bet no one is going to follow it, if there is a pop up which are are you over 18? then everyone is going to click 'yes'.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 05:25:48 AM

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs - like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game

In a game there must be a gambling system like that its part of their bussiness , especially in MMORPG and RNG system, but the main purpose is for gaming, but i think most of these games are not RMT allowed so basically its only Pay To Win feature they had. such gacha box . rolling dice, feels like a gamble but I guess that's just part of the pay to win they offer.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 05:25:48 AM

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs - like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

The gaming community is enormous and we all like to play games and if this is mixed with gambling experience then it could provide a separate experience to gamblers and players and it is type of fun also like I remember when I was kid playing games on desktop was fun that could not be matched with any other thing in the world and surely now we are in gambling we can also have gambling related games but they should be age restricted so children don't get too much engaged in such games.

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Most time we tend to neglect the fact that information on the net is accessible to all. For underaged players I feel the only effect is becoming an addict too early which could still happen to an advanced person or some one who is qualified to play. But for the underaged player one can't stop them from exploring or shurfing the net. All that can be done is constant coaching and guidiance on how to control their quest to help prevent been addicted

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What's the need of mixing gambling with the underaged games. Even now without any form of gambling into the games, young generation is much into PUBG and few other games like freefire. When things get mixed with gambling the outcome will be more dangerous to the young generation. At this age they won't know to restrict them within the line to be on the safe side.

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Showing the concept of gambling within video games is not that crazy though, at some point they'll get exposed in gambling anyway. There's not much you can do for underaged players because some of these games will ask for your birthdate and usually people will just put fake birthdates to play the game. Unfortunately the situation is kind of similar to crypto casinos but on the other hand buying bitcoin adds another layer of KYC as most exchanges require KYC nowadays.

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Quote from: electronicash on July 12, 2021, 07:29:58 AM

well you may be converting them to be a gamber if it interest the gamer. most gamers have budget. if it works then maybe the KYC is needed. kids often play thise video games.

Well, video games for kids should not be converted in gambling games. Gambling games are meant for different audience and video games are for different set of people. We shouldn't mix them. Non gambling games would not require KYC because no money is involved in them.

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I never play that I gamble, I usually bet on sports so things are easier for me. I admire other people who bet themselves as they really trust themselves to win, and I think as long as they have the skills, they'll have a good future in gambling. Playing or gambling, the main point here is we are gambling at the end of the day, so always consider the risk when doing it.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on July 12, 2021, 07:55:32 AM

Playing is much better than gambling because you only waste your time there unlike in gambling where it's not just time but also your money that's being wasted. Anytime of the day, I would choose playing out of the two. Teaching children to gamble is irresponsible AF, as an adult you have to be smart about it and you have to be a good example for the children because they are the next generation.

In gambling it's not just our time we waste but also our money. Playing is fine as long as we enjoy it and we know we have time to spare. But as we age we realised it's better to get money that's why other were into gambling even it is risky. It will be better if we will be able to find a job we enjoy the most like what others are doing now in blogging or live streaming.

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Nothing wrong with gambling mini-games as long as the main/parent game has at least 17+ (Mature) rating just like GTA 5. However, the problem is many teens can buy/install the game even though they are not yet in the eligible age bracket. This is a problem for video games industry in a whole, not just about gambling mini-games.

Actually games with simulated gambling etc. would fall into 18+ (Adults Only) bracket, therefore if the ESRB and the company are honest with the rating, I don't think it's a problem from the provider side. It's like when a casino asks you if you are 18+, but you are only 13. It's not the casino's fault IMO.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 05:25:48 AM

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

These type of in-game betting is very common to every mmorpg. But the Vegas Fallout caravan game is just too obvious that they're mimicking a casino type of gambling experience inside the game.
It actually didn't went too far, they're just adding some extra twist in-game base on their target market. So, the game isn't suitable for underage players.

Most common types of betting in online games is lottery, PvP betting, and Guild wars. When there is betting involved, that's basically a gambling.

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For me I'm more comfortable in gambling, I mean I let others play and I bet on them, that's my definition. I am not a gamer so I don't play games, but despite gambling only, I still exert a lot of effort and give time to analyze a certain game or fight before I place any bet, so it's still a complicated job if you are looking for success.

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