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Quote from: STT on August 02, 2021, 06:58:28 PM

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unique or rare in-game items

My main objection would be about the game itself, if the rare items are just vanity pieces or especially illustrative and elaborate items of artwork then its fair enough the game continues and one player looks nicer aesthetically then another but overall its still about skill in the game itself.
If ever the game items distribute power and advantage over other players and thats done through monetary reward then it becomes a problem that will ultimately reduce gameplay and fairness. We'll get one section of players from a rich country with an advantage over players from a poorer country and now you just have a game that mirrors the rather unfortunate realities of normal life that some are richer and thats not really a proper game or one I'd want to be part of personally.

Fifa in the example above gives advantage to those with alot of money. Maybe a really great player can overcome their disadvantage but its not a level playing field, the poorer person has weights put on their back to stop them competing as well vs the richer person. Thats like the mindset of a hundred years ago, EA in general are not of my favorite companies because of this policy and similar ideas they keep repeating this theme.

This is a common problem in games where the gameplay depends on the injection of money. Usually, sooner or later, they turn into pay2win game. The only games that I love from this genre are collectible games - the logic of pay and win there is quite reasonable. But to be honest, I love these games not because of the gameplay, but because of the opportunity to make money on them Cheesy

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on July 29, 2021, 08:28:49 AM

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There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Of course, there will be an effect, children know that gaming is for fun and they are developing their skills on judging a situation, but if you put gambling alongside gaming, children will be confused because they are presented with a luck-based game and this will be their introduction to gambling, which is not good for a very young age.

apart from the confusion, gambling can really mess up with one's reward receptors on the brain
would love to see data comparing it to simply gaming but if I have to guess I'd say that probably adding a monetary component to it can heavily affect dopamine, probably heavier than simply gaming for fun.

now here's a tricky point play to earn games have to pay attention too

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unique or rare in-game items

My main objection would be about the game itself, if the rare items are just vanity pieces or especially illustrative and elaborate items of artwork then its fair enough the game continues and one player looks nicer aesthetically then another but overall its still about skill in the game itself.
If ever the game items distribute power and advantage over other players and thats done through monetary reward then it becomes a problem that will ultimately reduce gameplay and fairness. We'll get one section of players from a rich country with an advantage over players from a poorer country and now you just have a game that mirrors the rather unfortunate realities of normal life that some are richer and thats not really a proper game or one I'd want to be part of personally.

Fifa in the example above gives advantage to those with alot of money. Maybe a really great player can overcome their disadvantage but its not a level playing field, the poorer person has weights put on their back to stop them competing as well vs the richer person. Thats like the mindset of a hundred years ago, EA in general are not of my favorite companies because of this policy and similar ideas they keep repeating this theme.

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We are forgetting that even in games there are "boxes" and "loots" and "skins" and all that which turns into some sort of gambling. Netherlands banned those type of things in games because of how horribly gambling like they are.

Fifa and NBA 2k and all that can't do it on Netherlands and it is banned there, normally you buy points from Fifa, then get deck of cards and then hope that a great player comes out of it, if you fail you try again, if you succeed you either have a great player or you can sell and have a lot of money. Tell me that doesn't sound like gambling for you? It is basically full on gambling if you ask me. This is why gambling and gaming is very close and very little kids start gambling in games from very early age.

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Quote from: udidrone on August 02, 2021, 10:11:39 AM

Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs - like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

As long kids not play gambling games (real casino games) i think i will be OK with that. Because not want to resist, that nowadays a lot of games have "gacha" system in their feature. And actually that can considered as gambling because we spend money to aim for highest price which is in game.

Are those things cant be considered as gambling too? on where you do need cash to roll those roulette to claim or get those potential prizes? In general sense then it is indeed can be considered but it is on the form of a game but we dont realize that we are really into that criteria already.

Thing here that as an individual we should really be aware in regarding to our action because not all the time there is someone who would really guide us or remind us on those things like our parents or friends.

Take everything that you do get involved on with most precaution and as long you arent hurting or compromising something important then you are still good to continue.

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Quote from: robelneo on August 02, 2021, 06:49:52 AM

Some gaming and gambling sites can be traced on their history and some of them had an application that you can install, always check what applications are installed in your kids cellphone, give them a stern warning that they cannot use their cellphone for a limited time if they are caught using an application that deals with gambling, kids nowadays are afraid their phone confiscated so they cannot do anything but follow their parents.

I follow your point, it's very important for those kids and young adults to have their phones beside them,

If you give them rules like this it will work as they don't want to lose the fun that they are enjoying using their devices, better to have rulings that kids will surely follows, it helps both of you to lessen any chances that they'll exposed themselves with gambling and any other things that may corrupt their minds.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 02, 2021, 03:50:19 AM

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

We can't deny that this kind of resources were made easily available in the use of internet and can be accessed by minor or kids. On the other hand, this is the kind of scenario that a parents guidance on a kid we're very much needed but the kids today were having their alone time with their gadgets that a parents sometimes couldn't hold or check the phone. So it is very important that a parent is very much attentive to observe the actions of the child.

Some gaming and gambling sites can be traced on their history and some of them had an application that you can install, always check what applications are installed in your kids cellphone, give them a stern warning that they cannot use their cellphone for a limited time if they are caught using an application that deals with gambling, kids nowadays are afraid their phone confiscated so they cannot do anything but follow their parents.

I'm aware of a number of games that include a betting feature but only use in-game currency rather than real money. However, children are being introduced to a game that will pique their interest in gambling, which is extremely concerning. They will eventually learn how to gamble as a result of the mobile game that was previously thought to be a children's game only. People should be aware of this, especially parents who have no idea what kind of game is available in the play store right now.

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Some gaming and gambling sites can be traced on their history and some of them had an application that you can install, always check what applications are installed in your kids cellphone, give them a stern warning that they cannot use their cellphone for a limited time if they are caught using an application that deals with gambling, kids nowadays are afraid their phone confiscated so they cannot do anything but follow their parents.

Yes your right some kids mistakenly install an gambling games cause some gambling games if you do not know that app its look like a ordinary video games .
Parents must check the computer or phone of their kids in order to be aware what they installed so that they can give some advice or give some reliable content about the application installed by their children.

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Quote from: molsewid on August 02, 2021, 05:46:13 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 02, 2021, 03:50:19 AM

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

We can't deny that this kind of resources were made easily available in the use of internet and can be accessed by minor or kids. On the other hand, this is the kind of scenario that a parents guidance on a kid we're very much needed but the kids today were having their alone time with their gadgets that a parents sometimes couldn't hold or check the phone. So it is very important that a parent is very much attentive to observe the actions of the child.

Some gaming and gambling sites can be traced on their history and some of them had an application that you can install, always check what applications are installed in your kids cellphone, give them a stern warning that they cannot use their cellphone for a limited time if they are caught using an application that deals with gambling, kids nowadays are afraid their phone confiscated so they cannot do anything but follow their parents.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 02, 2021, 03:50:19 AM

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

We can't deny that this kind of resources were made easily available in the use of internet and can be accessed by minor or kids. On the other hand, this is the kind of scenario that a parents guidance on a kid we're very much needed but the kids today were having their alone time with their gadgets that a parents sometimes couldn't hold or check the phone. So it is very important that a parent is very much attentive to observe the actions of the child.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on August 02, 2021, 05:34:59 AM

Quote from: pilosopotasyo on July 29, 2021, 08:28:49 AM

Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Of course, there will be an effect, children know that gaming is for fun and they are developing their skills on judging a situation, but if you put gambling alongside gaming, children will be confused because they are presented with a luck-based game and this will be their introduction to gambling, which is not good for a very young age.

I think they will not get confused because gambling makes you feel excited . If we talked children playing is the one they like but later on if they get matured playing is not really exciting anymore but if playing + gambling makes them excited again but it is not really good to them since they are young and they grow up finding that kind of feeling which makes them addicted

They will be confused in the first experience because it is far different from their supposedly gaming .
they are usually playing using their mind and knowledge and winning win skills but in gambling that only for lucky one?
this will be confusing and they may find this confusing but if letting them play constantly then eventually they may learn and understand ,.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on July 29, 2021, 08:28:49 AM

Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Of course, there will be an effect, children know that gaming is for fun and they are developing their skills on judging a situation, but if you put gambling alongside gaming, children will be confused because they are presented with a luck-based game and this will be their introduction to gambling, which is not good for a very young age.

I think they will not get confused because gambling makes you feel excited . If we talked children playing is the one they like but later on if they get matured playing is not really exciting anymore but if playing + gambling makes them excited again but it is not really good to them since they are young and they grow up finding that kind of feeling which makes them addicted

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Quote from: blockman on July 29, 2021, 12:18:48 PM

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There are the parents that have the most important role to guide their kids. But sometimes, it's out of scope already when the kids are too resourceful and they eventually gamble inside a game without the parents knowing it. And it doesn't look important to them so they don't tell it to their parents while the parents, as seem it's just a game, do not care at all as long as their kids are enjoying whatever game they're playing with but without the notice of what type of game they're playing.

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

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I think the biggest risk isn't the games itself anymore but the big streamers on Twitch and YouTube. Almost all of the youngster these days spend a lot of time on these streaming platform, and if they see their favourite players to actually gamble online, they want to do the same. It is very hard to explain to kids these days that what they see on the Internet is not real. As parents there is no way to constantly supervise the kids and the line between gaming and gambling is disappearing.

Even if it's hard to keep up on what these kids are watching we should still keep, check the history of what they are surfing, and if you have a good anti-virus that can block certain sites, then block all these sites that you think can harm your children, we don't want our kids exposed to gambling at a very young age, this is too risky and we will regret later if the kids gets hooked on gambling at a very young age.

I do agree, if you can block certain sites that would be great. Because these days, youngsters can easily be influenced by social media or their peers. If you can't track their activities, better also to instill on them about the significance of money and how gambling may affect their lifestyle in the future. You need to lay out the consequences involved once they venture into this industry. They need to understand the risks involved.

many executives on silicon valley that work and build these businesses don't let their children use social media and sometimes even any screen/internet at all until certain age like 12 years old
may sound radical for some but its possible a way to go.

It is not that weird at all after all there are images of the CEO of Facebook using a laptop in which he put some tape above the camera in order to avoid being recorded without his permission, in fact one of my family members follows this policy with their kids as they are still young and they do not let them use any kind of smartphone or play video games and they are very well adjusted kids, so I think in the future this is something that we are going to see more and more commonly.

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Quote from: john_nautica on July 29, 2021, 10:55:06 AM

I remember playing this game called red dead redemption 2 there's some mini games on this game about poker and i tried it and it's very addicting but I don't think underage people will focus on this game since the game itself is entertaining, I think there should always be a warning on every game. That's the only thing they can do, even now any underage can play casino and place bet on sports betting website without verifying itself that he or she is on a legal age.

I have seen that game as well, and I think many on the mobile games department have some gambling features aswell and mostly on Gacha games with the RNG kind of thing if you have played Genishin Impact there is this random thing that you will get the powerful characters or items on the game and it surely features a random pick I think this is a kind of gambling as well and sometimes you will need to buy tokens to perform a random summoning,

I really think there are a lot of games that surely involve gambling RNG that some would use real money in getting good items and characters for the game.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Of course, there will be an effect, children know that gaming is for fun and they are developing their skills on judging a situation, but if you put gambling alongside gaming, children will be confused because they are presented with a luck-based game and this will be their introduction to gambling, which is not good for a very young age.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 29, 2021, 08:18:08 AM

I agree that gambling should be restricted for those under 18 or even 21.
but why do you say parents can't check all games their kids play?
this is possible and as investors should do their own research parents should also do their due diligence on what they allow their kids to consume specially at really young age (before 7-12).

I think he meant the impossibility of complete control. And this is close to the truth, ordinary parents simply do not have enough resources to monitor their child around the clock and what he is doing on his phone/tablet. You should take into account that even seeing in front of you a list of games that a child plays, it is almost impossible to understand what they are without additional research.

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It can teach the young players to gamble. If that's sort of an in-game NPC and place, those kids will gamble at their will as part of being curious. That's the side effect of having a game with a gambling game inside and you'll never know what will be the implication of it. They can bring that gambling experience even if it's just inside a game into the outside and real world until they grow up and the rest would be history. That's the side effect that I can see and for sure that I'm not the only one that's concerned with the young ones who will be introduced to gambling by that way.

I will also get concerned because you cannot expose or integrate gambling to kid's gaming sites, it's not right, even if some countries allow kids to gamble I will not let my kid gamble or even expose to gambling games like dice, slots or similar games that are very much associated to gambling, there will be many complaints if a gaming site integrates gambling or parents will prevent their kids to play there and look for alternatives.

There are the parents that have the most important role to guide their kids. But sometimes, it's out of scope already when the kids are too resourceful and they eventually gamble inside a game without the parents knowing it. And it doesn't look important to them so they don't tell it to their parents while the parents, as seem it's just a game, do not care at all as long as their kids are enjoying whatever game they're playing with but without the notice of what type of game they're playing.

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I remember playing this game called red dead redemption 2 there's some mini games on this game about poker and i tried it and it's very addicting but I don't think underage people will focus on this game since the game itself is entertaining, I think there should always be a warning on every game. That's the only thing they can do, even now any underage can play casino and place bet on sports betting website without verifying itself that he or she is on a legal age.

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Quote from: blockman on July 28, 2021, 01:14:20 PM

It can teach the young players to gamble. If that's sort of an in-game NPC and place, those kids will gamble at their will as part of being curious. That's the side effect of having a game with a gambling game inside and you'll never know what will be the implication of it. They can bring that gambling experience even if it's just inside a game into the outside and real world until they grow up and the rest would be history. That's the side effect that I can see and for sure that I'm not the only one that's concerned with the young ones who will be introduced to gambling by that way.

I will also get concerned because you cannot expose or integrate gambling to kid's gaming sites, it's not right, even if some countries allow kids to gamble I will not let my kid gamble or even expose to gambling games like dice, slots or similar games that are very much associated to gambling, there will be many complaints if a gaming site integrates gambling or parents will prevent their kids to play there and look for alternatives.

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