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Quote from: Hippocrypto on July 16, 2021, 03:48:03 PM

Most probably, there's chances of addiction, particularly young people is capable of drowning themselves on mobile games. How much more when there's a gambling platform that used this type of betting, and yet when you're playing at least there's earning a winning profit in the long run.

AFAIK no real money is involved in this kind of games, and I don't understand how an addiction to gambling games could happen if you're not able to wager real money. Almost all casino games are available in demo mode or playable without money somewhere, but I never heard of someone become addict of those games.

You are right, if real money is not involved, chances are low of someone being addicted although almost every game allows the players to buy in-game items and when you have the ability to bet those items in return for upgrades or better items, it's sort of addicting. If I am not wrong there are people betting CS;GO skins.

This is a sensitive topic because although one shouldn't be addicted to such gambling happening inside a game but that said, it might trigger an addiction outside the game. Winning is such a feeling that once you taste winnings/free money you will get addicted to it.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on July 16, 2021, 04:38:51 PM

It gonna be worse when these kinds of young minds are already engaged in gambling, that gonna be possible for early addiction.
This is not the concern because they can earn some money but they are not supposed to be exposed to this thing as gambling addiction could lead them into making illegal activities if they are at the level of addiction.

We should not introduce gambling to young minds but gaming is ok because they can learn a lot of skills here without money involved, but if you put gaming with money involve they will likely lose control of themselves and will find a way to fund their account, let the young enjoy the game with monetary consideration so they can develop their skill, they can learn how to gamble when they are mature enough.

Yes, you are right. We do not know the side effects, especially when they are growing up later. They can say that they do not play gambling in front of us but we do not know if they tell the truth when they are behind us. Maybe the child's learning will be faster than the adult as a child from this era will be smarter than 5-10 years ago because the internet as the media has grown fast. We can teach them to play the games without money involved and never let them think that playing the game can use the money to get more excitement.

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I think they want the game more realistic so they add some casual games we usually do which is gambling, like right now if you are a gamer of GTA V they have their casino versions too I guess its a good move having an idea of what's about this kind of game, just an insight how to play because we know that GTA is a role-playing game with the same aspect of our daily lives. By that, they are having an idea and tried the game of gambling in the real world. But in a real-money not like in a game just you need is to make task just to earn money.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs - like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

From a gamer perspective I think that any perks within a game should always be kept cosmetic, as that allows people who want to spend money on gimmicks and virtual costumes to become "unique" while everyone else gets to play with all the same functionality. In fact it is a real game breaker if you're able to pay to get any sort of real advantage over your opponents. You've got games like team fortress 2 that give the rare possibility of gaining "super weapons" but they do give paid weapons some very big advantages, somehow they're able to make it work though. Even cosmetic skins can gain an aftermarket, as you see with PUBG or Counterstrike skins.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on July 16, 2021, 04:38:51 PM

It gonna be worse when these kinds of young minds are already engaged in gambling, that gonna be possible for early addiction.
This is not the concern because they can earn some money but they are not supposed to be exposed to this thing as gambling addiction could lead them into making illegal activities if they are at the level of addiction.

We should not introduce gambling to young minds but gaming is ok because they can learn a lot of skills here without money involved, but if you put gaming with money involve they will likely lose control of themselves and will find a way to fund their account, let the young enjoy the game with monetary consideration so they can develop their skill, they can learn how to gamble when they are mature enough.

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on July 16, 2021, 03:48:03 PM

Most probably, there's chances of addiction, particularly young people is capable of drowning themselves on mobile games. How much more when there's a gambling platform that used this type of betting, and yet when you're playing at least there's earning a winning profit in the long run.

AFAIK no real money is involved in this kind of games, and I don't understand how an addiction to gambling games could happen if you're not able to wager real money. Almost all casino games are available in demo mode or playable without money somewhere, but I never heard of someone become addict of those games.

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Gaming and gambling is by far a way of getting under aged persons hooked up and with the effect gambling actually has on most adults, it's one of the most unlikely character to be worthy or wish on an undersaged person. For a fact, it can mess up a child's life in ways that you can never imagine.
Some underage youths really don't mind gambling all there savings or just to cause hope at a price and that is what gambling actually present and with the fact that, you always have the chance or gambling presents you with a way to a fortune, every fund that you get seems to be redirected toward gambling and just like that, the youths life goes in a pattern. A pattern of cash and gambling and since its gaming, you tend not to feel it and an addiction develops and spans from there.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on July 15, 2021, 10:07:44 AM

Basically children should be kept away from gambling and need parental guidance for that. I don't think children will be allowed to gamble in physical casino or online gambling site because there are rules that regulate the age limit for the players. However, for games that contain element of gambling, this will be difficult to prevent because age restriction are rare and can be played anywhere as long as there is an internet connection. Children are never good if they get to know too soon and become addicted to gambling, it can change their behavior for the worse while they only get money from their parent.

Of course, as a parent or even as whoever we are, we will not agree that kids playing any gambling.
But in fact, we also cannot control ourselves every time. Many children right now are playing online games, moreover during this pandemic and many children also focus on their gadgets. And we don't even know exactly whether they are playing gambling or not. We can do our efforts and also attention to kids, to make them understand about this, we do it. Every kid right now is different, they are like in the new generation. Moreover, every country also has different regulations about the age restriction for playing gambling. There are some countries that allow childer at certain age playing gambling (in which in our mind, they are still children and not supposed to be a gambler). I ever make a topic about the age restriction for kids playing gambling:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53962700

So far, I never support my child to play gambling or introduce to this gambling world.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs - like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

The big question here is who are they targetting on this kind of concept since you mentioned underaged players, the mature gamblers who have the money to do betting and at the same time play games or underage who like to lay these kinds of games but do not have the means to do and they are likely exposed to gambling at the earliest stage, if one developer will set up something like this, he should market it to mature players, because kids should not be exposed at a very young age.

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on July 16, 2021, 03:48:03 PM

Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs - like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Most probably, there's chances of addiction, particularly young people is capable of drowning themselves on mobile games. How much more when there's a gambling platform that used this type of betting, and yet when you're playing at least there's earning a winning profit in the long run.

It gonna be worse when these kinds of young minds are already engaged in gambling, that gonna be possible for early addiction.
This is not the concern because they can earn some money but they are not supposed to be exposed to this thing as gambling addiction could lead them into making illegal activities if they are at the level of addiction.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc...

Merit from me for mentioning this brilliant RPG game with a lot of gambling in it! Grin

That is a good example of such video game. Another - is Fallout 2 or Witcher 3, where was a lot of gambling activities in the game too.

Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable.

Some people may find undesirable anything in the game: fir girls, weapons, bloody fights and so on. In some cases, passions of different people can be contradictory. In that case, if you listening "some people" you better may not to do any video games at all.

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Most people gamble to make profit. Some do it for quick gains, other do it for the adrenaline rush they get. But in the end, everyone has the same goal. To end up with profit. There are some people that gambles for pure fun. They enjoy making profit. Hence, in video games you will see some of them offering the option to gamble with virtual currency or in game currency. People can have fun playing those without risking their real bank.

Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

If you are talking about those loot boxes, then yeah. They are form of pure gambling and some countries are trying to stop those sort of gambling.

Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Most of those games are age restricted. So I doubt any of those underaged players get exposed to those gambling contents.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs - like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Most probably, there's chances of addiction, particularly young people is capable of drowning themselves on mobile games. How much more when there's a gambling platform that used this type of betting, and yet when you're playing at least there's earning a winning profit in the long run.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 16, 2021, 02:23:47 PM

I wouldnt say that playing brutal games will make people act with more violence but games definitely affect our feelings and thoughts

the moment I stopped to play counter strike was when I started to dream about it, not good.

Many parents limit the access to screens, including smartphones, to young children until at least 12 years old
I think this is a way to go and may help with their development, empathy and bonds with the world

In todays era? Nope, it cant really be avoided no matter how you do turn out to be a strict parent when it comes to gadgets or avoiding them on online interactions or exposure.
We are already on digital age and every corners would really be able to see those gadgets or simply having that accessbility.This is why it is more important that explaining to
them on whats the cons and limitations when it comes to things that you do get involved with.Its not bad to play nor engage on a short time but when you are already
making it as a habit and do look that it is already your main priority then its already an another story to be concerned of.

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There was an article I read recently that analyzed 13 studies into the behaviors of gamers who spend on in-game loot boxes (loot boxes allow players to purchase randomized rewards for character enhancement or game progress). All but one of the studies show that there is a direct correlation between the use of loot boxes and problem gambling behaviour. Although their characteristics have raised concerns and they have grown in popularity, loot boxes still remain unregulated in many countries. However, in some countries, such as Belgium, loot boxes have been deemed gambling products and as such restricted to minors.

The leading gambling charity, GambleAware, has also called for greater regulation.
Zoë Osmond, CEO of GambleAware, said: "This research is part of GambleAware's continued commitment to protect children, adolescents and young people from gambling harms. The research has revealed that a high number of children who play video games also purchase loot boxes and we are increasingly concerned that gambling is now part of everyday life for children and young people."

Link to the whole article: https://www.begambleaware.org/news/gambleaware-publishes-new-gaming-and-gambling-research

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I wouldnt say that playing brutal games will make people act with more violence but games definitely affect our feelings and thoughts

the moment I stopped to play counter strike was when I started to dream about it, not good.

Many parents limit the access to screens, including smartphones, to young children until at least 12 years old
I think this is a way to go and may help with their development, empathy and bonds with the world

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Quote from: danherbias07 on July 15, 2021, 11:27:53 AM

I have a kid and I don't like it when he is playing games like GTA which are accessible thru Google Play. There is one time that I saw him being really brutal while playing it and I immediately take it off his phone.
The problem:
1. We don't know how the restrictions are set.
2. Some applications don't really put the real age requirement for their games.
Brutality, gambling, bad words or anything that may lead to addiction is not a good thing for new era kids. It affects them and I can see it with my kid although I did try keep him away from all of it.

For me, if it's gambling then stick with it. If its an MMORPG that offers in game gambling, I don't like the idea anymore, it ruins the fun. But that's just my own opinion.

Same sentiments as I also have two little boys and I make it sure that every games that they are accessing online or in-play with their devices as really been scanned first before letting them,

That mental influenced will hurt you in the long run as parents, letting kids to play those brutal games will lead them to act the same way.

In terms to your idea of MMORPG that's been added to gambling, house see that there are people who loves competing and using this venue let them to attract more players to bets.

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I don't know if that is good or bad but I will share my experience. I have always enjoyed strategy games and video-games. I think they really helped me develop strategic skills that I then applied in real life situations. I have no idea what games of that sort exist today so I can't say if there are any good ones.
However, if we think about the various simulators used by F1 pilots, fighter planes etc. we can imagine how useful some games are.

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I have a kid and I don't like it when he is playing games like GTA which are accessible thru Google Play. There is one time that I saw him being really brutal while playing it and I immediately take it off his phone.
The problem:
1. We don't know how the restrictions are set.
2. Some applications don't really put the real age requirement for their games.
Brutality, gambling, bad words or anything that may lead to addiction is not a good thing for new era kids. It affects them and I can see it with my kid although I did try keep him away from all of it.

For me, if it's gambling then stick with it. If its an MMORPG that offers in game gambling, I don't like the idea anymore, it ruins the fun. But that's just my own opinion.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on July 15, 2021, 09:54:12 AM

It may be different for the kids who are professionals. i mean that he really has good and professional skills for playing games and also gambling online. Kids are not very smart and they can easily search and learn about gambling and new gaming everywhere they are.

Basically children should be kept away from gambling and need parental guidance for that. I don't think children will be allowed to gamble in physical casino or online gambling site because there are rules that regulate the age limit for the players. However, for games that contain element of gambling, this will be difficult to prevent because age restriction are rare and can be played anywhere as long as there is an internet connection. Children are never good if they get to know too soon and become addicted to gambling, it can change their behavior for the worse while they only get money from their parent.

As long as you are under the age of 18, you are not allowed to gamble physically or online. For me, there are already rules and if they are violated, there will always be an addiction that cannot be controlled.
If you play this online game there is no limit, I see that even those under 10 years old are now holding gadgets and playing with other friends, let's call it (free fire) but on the other hand it will also have a bad impact because a child that size should learn more active, but with online games being one of the factors where problems exist and easy internet access of course it will be easier for elements to lead to gambling later.

This is indeed true, especially now that children are only at home and gadgets and internet are their companion, this will most likely happen. I can also say that upon my observation, children today are more curious and can easily adapt in their environment, not to mention in exploring the digital world. If they discovered games which are deeply connected with gambling then from adaptation it is also possible for addiction to take place, not to say if parental guidance is lacking or nonexistent at all.

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