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Quote from: Lordshiva on August 18, 2021, 08:03:03 AM

Yes totally agree with you, A lot of games now offers gambling in-game options and it have almost became a trend now .
It is certainly not good for underaged players because they get introduced to gambling way before their age which is surely not good for them.

This kind of monetization is almost inevitable for any free game. Developers need to be paid, plus there are many other infrastructural expenditures necessary for the game to be available to players. Another thing is that this can be done in the form of purchases of items in the game, and not "gambling" for these items with unclear chances.

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Quote from: South Park on August 13, 2021, 05:26:34 PM

~ If we are honest with ourselves it is obvious that at the back of our minds there is always the possibility of making some money when we are gambling, after all if that was not true then a person will be happy playing gambling games without using any money as there are many websites that allow you to play for free or play one of the many video games that allow you to simulate casino games without the need to spend a single cent, however I think those that say that are playing for fun what they are really saying is that they do not really care if they win or lose, they will gamble anyway, and if they win then that this just a nice bonus but it is not their main reason to gamble.

Nicely put. Indeed, if there is no real money involved, it's not much of a fun, so if we want to have fun we have to bet some real money, maybe a very small amount, just a fraction of a cent, but still real money so that in a case of incredible luck, we could win something tangible, like $20-$30.

Back to the topic, is it gambling, when we play, say, a roulette inside of a game, where no real money involved? I think it's not. Just as killing inside a game isn't real killing.

Gambling as we know includes the possibility of losing something or winning something, if we play any of the gambling games that are famous like roulette, poker or blackjack but we are not using money then we're not really gambling and we are just playing a game, in fact one thing that I have noticed is that if we play those games without any money involved very quickly you are going to realize that the games are really boring and you will obtain more entertainment playing any other board games like monopoly, it is the risk of winning or losing money that gives gambling its charm.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs - like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Yes totally agree with you, A lot of games now offers gambling in-game options and it have almost became a trend now .
It is certainly not good for underaged players because they get introduced to gambling way before their age which is surely not good for them.

Not good as it can corrupt young minds, introducing gambling to young age may lead them into addictions,

Most of them will find this venue as a good source of making money, imagine by just playing games and compete with other players
you have the chance to win money.

Parents need to take extra efforts to make sure that their children are far from these gamings, limiting or taking time to discuss
this kind of possible addiction problem even in this early stage gives the child an idea how bad the damages can take them if they'll going to proceed and not to listen with their parents.

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Quote from: South Park on August 13, 2021, 05:26:34 PM

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Nicely put. Indeed, if there is no real money involved, it's not much of a fun, so if we want to have fun we have to bet some real money, maybe a very small amount, just a fraction of a cent, but still real money so that in a case of incredible luck, we could win something tangible, like $20-$30.

Back to the topic, is it gambling, when we play, say, a roulette inside of a game, where no real money involved? I think it's not. Just as killing inside a game isn't real killing.

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Haha! Tell me about it! I've spent many hundreds of hours playing such games, or tournaments with $1 prize pool. Grin

Indeed, I was playing those games for the sake of learning and improving, and also for the fun of it. What's interesting(back to the topic) is that it never occurred to me to start playing with real money at the time. I was playing only free to enter tournaments and was happy with that. So, I think there are good chances that underage players exposed to a roulette game inside of another game won't even think of gambling with real money.

Have you heard of the Flow State?
the first to talk about it was a psychologist called Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
He says flow is the secret to happiness, and some say it is the fuel of learning.
I wouldn't be surprised to know that many people who seek gambling are just looking for a source of flow, and find it in gambling activities

of course, the money aspect of it and the varied outcomes makes it way more exciting!

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Quote from: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 04:25:48 AM

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs - like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Yes totally agree with you, A lot of games now offers gambling in-game options and it have almost became a trend now .
It is certainly not good for underaged players because they get introduced to gambling way before their age which is surely not good for them.

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Find the audience for your game then make them to be addicted and then make money out of it that is their strategy and its one of its kind, people who are obsessed with that game will go for it no matter what and certainly it is expensive and high risk than compared with a casino where we have lot of choices.

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Quote from: alpamar99 on August 17, 2021, 03:57:44 PM

Quote from: swogerino on August 11, 2021, 05:08:08 AM

Good parents are the ones who keep a limit on everything their children do,in a tablet and in the app store they can install the games for their kids and then completely disable access to that app.Also good parents are the one who limit which websites their children can access and make sure the most notoriously known gambling websites are blocked,they also have setup their children laptop to not use VPN-s and give the kids only a normal user account and not an Administrator account.Although this does not guarantee 100% protection it is a great step toward that.

but often the case that now happens is the opposite

maybe not all but there are cases especially in my country when parents are not smarter than their children, especially in using electronic devices such as gadgets etc.
this is a problem that often arises they even ask their children to be taught how to use their gadgets and they don't even understand what the system is in the gadget, how to use the features and maybe they don't even understand what children play. so it is very difficult to limit the rights.

Maybe those parents need to learn how to use the gadget to know what their kids are doing when they are not doing their homework. I think that will be worth it as they can guide their children and maybe learn together but the parents still get control of their children's.

It seems the parents just let their kids by themselves without guiding them to find the good lesson for what they want. If the parents are aware that they can not always be beside their kids, they will figure out what the parents must do for their kids and ensure that their kids do not use their gadgets for the wrong thing.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on August 17, 2021, 02:41:17 PM

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

That's surely for having fun.

But what makes it more fun if there's a bet for each of those people sitting on the table. Well, games that have in-game casinos and such as poker tables.

They're more enjoyable especially if you're playing with strangers and a few known people of yours on the other side.

I think games on a computer or smartphone, such as poker that uses coins or the like (not real currency) are quite fun games and even I personally do it and I consider the game only as a place to practice in understanding the character of the game, even though the game is has a different atmosphere from when we play directly on the table, but I think this game can give us some good experiences and tricks, to face our opponents when playing real on the table.

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Quote from: South Park on August 13, 2021, 05:26:34 PM

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Nicely put. Indeed, if there is no real money involved, it's not much of a fun, so if we want to have fun we have to bet some real money, maybe a very small amount, just a fraction of a cent, but still real money so that in a case of incredible luck, we could win something tangible, like $20-$30.

Back to the topic, is it gambling, when we play, say, a roulette inside of a game, where no real money involved? I think it's not. Just as killing inside a game isn't real killing.

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Haha! Tell me about it! I've spent many hundreds of hours playing such games, or tournaments with $1 prize pool. Grin

Indeed, I was playing those games for the sake of learning and improving, and also for the fun of it. What's interesting(back to the topic) is that it never occurred to me to start playing with real money at the time. I was playing only free to enter tournaments and was happy with that. So, I think there are good chances that underage players exposed to a roulette game inside of another game won't even think of gambling with real money.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on August 17, 2021, 02:41:17 PM

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

That's surely for having fun.

But what makes it more fun if there's a bet for each of those people sitting on the table. Well, games that have in-game casinos and such as poker tables.

They're more enjoyable especially if you're playing with strangers and a few known people of yours on the other side.

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Quote from: alpamar99 on August 17, 2021, 03:57:44 PM

Quote from: swogerino on August 11, 2021, 05:08:08 AM

Good parents are the ones who keep a limit on everything their children do,in a tablet and in the app store they can install the games for their kids and then completely disable access to that app.Also good parents are the one who limit which websites their children can access and make sure the most notoriously known gambling websites are blocked,they also have setup their children laptop to not use VPN-s and give the kids only a normal user account and not an Administrator account.Although this does not guarantee 100% protection it is a great step toward that.

but often the case that now happens is the opposite

maybe not all but there are cases especially in my country when parents are not smarter than their children, especially in using electronic devices such as gadgets etc.
this is a problem that often arises they even ask their children to be taught how to use their gadgets and they don't even understand what the system is in the gadget, how to use the features and maybe they don't even understand what children play. so it is very difficult to limit the rights.

Actually true because parents could really be possibly outdated when it comes to technology and accessibility on things because no matter how you do get rid of your child to connect through online as long it does have its own mobile phone then tendency or chances would really be there.Due to this hi-tech era then its impossible that children couldnt really make any access if they do really tend to play something or things that do interest them then its really hard for them to be stopped if you do intent to prohibit and they would really be finding ways as much as they can.

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Quote from: swogerino on August 11, 2021, 05:08:08 AM

Good parents are the ones who keep a limit on everything their children do,in a tablet and in the app store they can install the games for their kids and then completely disable access to that app.Also good parents are the one who limit which websites their children can access and make sure the most notoriously known gambling websites are blocked,they also have setup their children laptop to not use VPN-s and give the kids only a normal user account and not an Administrator account.Although this does not guarantee 100% protection it is a great step toward that.

but often the case that now happens is the opposite

maybe not all but there are cases especially in my country when parents are not smarter than their children, especially in using electronic devices such as gadgets etc.
this is a problem that often arises they even ask their children to be taught how to use their gadgets and they don't even understand what the system is in the gadget, how to use the features and maybe they don't even understand what children play. so it is very difficult to limit the rights.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 16, 2021, 04:14:13 AM

Quote from: South Park on August 13, 2021, 05:26:34 PM

~ If we are honest with ourselves it is obvious that at the back of our minds there is always the possibility of making some money when we are gambling, after all if that was not true then a person will be happy playing gambling games without using any money as there are many websites that allow you to play for free or play one of the many video games that allow you to simulate casino games without the need to spend a single cent, however I think those that say that are playing for fun what they are really saying is that they do not really care if they win or lose, they will gamble anyway, and if they win then that this just a nice bonus but it is not their main reason to gamble.

Nicely put. Indeed, if there is no real money involved, it's not much of a fun, so if we want to have fun we have to bet some real money, maybe a very small amount, just a fraction of a cent, but still real money so that in a case of incredible luck, we could win something tangible, like $20-$30.

Back to the topic, is it gambling, when we play, say, a roulette inside of a game, where no real money involved? I think it's not. Just as killing inside a game isn't real killing.

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

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Quote from: South Park on August 13, 2021, 05:26:34 PM

~ If we are honest with ourselves it is obvious that at the back of our minds there is always the possibility of making some money when we are gambling, after all if that was not true then a person will be happy playing gambling games without using any money as there are many websites that allow you to play for free or play one of the many video games that allow you to simulate casino games without the need to spend a single cent, however I think those that say that are playing for fun what they are really saying is that they do not really care if they win or lose, they will gamble anyway, and if they win then that this just a nice bonus but it is not their main reason to gamble.

Nicely put. Indeed, if there is no real money involved, it's not much of a fun, so if we want to have fun we have to bet some real money, maybe a very small amount, just a fraction of a cent, but still real money so that in a case of incredible luck, we could win something tangible, like $20-$30.

Back to the topic, is it gambling, when we play, say, a roulette inside of a game, where no real money involved? I think it's not. Just as killing inside a game isn't real killing.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on August 11, 2021, 06:03:46 AM

I haven't tried doing this on another games but I did tried to use in-game items to bet and win in-game items but a better one and that game is dota 2 but a game having a built-in gambling type feature that use real money and win real money is I never heard or know any game at all. I only play online video games which you can only buy in-game currency where you can use it to buy items/weapons or gamble it on a lotto or spin to win rare items or better equipment.

Dota has a lot of valuable skins that can be bought for real money. I still remember when the first pudge immortal hook came out and people were paying 100 bucks for it. The problem I had with Dota is that most of the cases and skins I got were not marketable and not tradeable. That's why I stopped putting money in. With CSGO it's much better you can trade and sell everything and especially the cases can make a lot of profit.

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Those people saying that they are just playing for fun isn't the reality to found. No, they will spend money and time as their main goal is to win if they are lucky and these people could literally get mad once they lose.
These days, we found out that young ages are already exposed to this thing. They might just come and started with a simple game but we sometimes notice that these guys are using this for gambling. This has now become a problem as there is no age restriction and that will be hard to control in the future.

You're right, a lot of people say that they only play for fun, I don't know if they do it to avoid giving information or using it in a diplomatic way, but that's very easy, of course there are people who actually do, but out of every 1000 people 1, and none out of 100, so the odds are low, not only in these gambling games, I have friends who play AXIE and they tell me they play because they like it and not so much for the money, I really don't believe them, there are Always the interest of making money, I think they say it because they think someone is going to ask them for money or something like that. Everyone who enters casinos or games is obviously looking to make money, because I think that nobody likes to lose money, and I think that everyone likes money.

If we are honest with ourselves it is obvious that at the back of our minds there is always the possibility of making some money when we are gambling, after all if that was not true then a person will be happy playing gambling games without using any money as there are many websites that allow you to play for free or play one of the many video games that allow you to simulate casino games without the need to spend a single cent, however I think those that say that are playing for fun what they are really saying is that they do not really care if they win or lose, they will gamble anyway, and if they win then that this just a nice bonus but it is not their main reason to gamble.

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Quote from: macson on August 12, 2021, 03:02:03 PM

Quote from: Kittygalore on August 11, 2021, 10:31:17 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on August 03, 2021, 02:44:14 PM

on the other hand there's also these genius kids,
have you guys seen this?
A 12-year-old kid coded his own NFT project and made $160K in a day — an interview.

controlling time and directing kids energies to good things instead of bad things may be ways to go

Not every kid is like that kid, remember that if we force them to do things that we know they aren't interested in, they won't excel from it, it's just a good thing and a chance that this kid is interested in making these kinds of things. Of course teaching them good hobbies can help but we have to be careful not to drown them from expectations.

not all children have the same interests and children who have an interest in coding are rare. when nft hype, many make quite unique, strange and interesting works imo but only a few are successful. i live in a multi-cultural area and the children here have different interests, some like playing games, studying ^{(coding, math etc)}, gambling ^{(not gambling like casinos)} and reading books.

That’s their unique interest and every child have their own business in mind, some wants only to play and some wants to take more details and used it into something new. Gambling is not for them, they may solve the code but we should not allow them to gamble because for sure, they can’t still handle their emotion. If something like video games in casinos or what, I’d rather play and have fun than to fully gamble, its more fun to play video games.

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Quote from: macson on August 12, 2021, 03:02:03 PM

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on August 03, 2021, 02:44:14 PM

on the other hand there's also these genius kids,
have you guys seen this?
A 12-year-old kid coded his own NFT project and made $160K in a day — an interview.

controlling time and directing kids energies to good things instead of bad things may be ways to go

Not every kid is like that kid, remember that if we force them to do things that we know they aren't interested in, they won't excel from it, it's just a good thing and a chance that this kid is interested in making these kinds of things. Of course teaching them good hobbies can help but we have to be careful not to drown them from expectations.

not all children have the same interests and children who have an interest in coding are rare. when nft hype, many make quite unique, strange and interesting works imo but only a few are successful. i live in a multi-cultural area and the children here have different interests, some like playing games, studying ^{(coding, math etc)}, gambling ^{(not gambling like casinos)} and reading books.

It is rare that children get interested in code straight away, I have seen some "camps" that take them to learn basic coding, which is simply giving some instructions to an automaton, like the old "logos" programming language and drawing something on a screen or making a robot move. I would argue that coding as such is not coding until you have at least three variables. Anything else is just kids play, which is educational, but just that.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on August 11, 2021, 10:31:17 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on August 03, 2021, 02:44:14 PM

on the other hand there's also these genius kids,
have you guys seen this?
A 12-year-old kid coded his own NFT project and made $160K in a day — an interview.

controlling time and directing kids energies to good things instead of bad things may be ways to go

Not every kid is like that kid, remember that if we force them to do things that we know they aren't interested in, they won't excel from it, it's just a good thing and a chance that this kid is interested in making these kinds of things. Of course teaching them good hobbies can help but we have to be careful not to drown them from expectations.

not all children have the same interests and children who have an interest in coding are rare. when nft hype, many make quite unique, strange and interesting works imo but only a few are successful. i live in a multi-cultural area and the children here have different interests, some like playing games, studying ^{(coding, math etc)}, gambling ^{(not gambling like casinos)} and reading books.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on August 12, 2021, 10:50:30 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on August 11, 2021, 10:31:17 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on August 03, 2021, 02:44:14 PM

Quote from: Kittygalore on August 03, 2021, 12:34:23 PM

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on the other hand there's also these genius kids,
have you guys seen this?
A 12-year-old kid coded his own NFT project and made $160K in a day — an interview.

controlling time and directing kids energies to good things instead of bad things may be ways to go

Not every kid is like that kid, remember that if we force them to do things that we know they aren't interested in, they won't excel from it, it's just a good thing and a chance that this kid is interested in making these kinds of things. Of course teaching them good hobbies can help but we have to be careful not to drown them from expectations.

forcing people to do what WE want them to do instead of what THEY want is never a good idea and can result in trauma, I'd never educate a kid like that, the way is stimulating curiosity and exploration of the world.

but yes, not all kids will do things like that since luck also played a role on this situation

Not all would really be open to everything which means it would neither create some interest/curiosity or would create out some trauma and its true that its never been a good idea.
As we grow old we do able to realize up things along the way and of course with proper guidance and having that good self awareness then you could really possibly able to
avoid those things as you do go ahead.We do have our own self will on which one we would tend to engage on.

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