Topic: Garr255/Werner - Auction shilling - page 16. (Read 23119 times)

coinsquirrel: I have built up relationships with a good number of people outside this forum, yes in real life, that still trust me just as much after having read this, and have vocally said so.

I'm really disappointed that you see me so lowly, because that's not who I am. Josh did force that apology, and I've been scared shitless for the past two days that either he was going to cancel my orders or I was going to lose my respect here, so that is why I tried to delay this inevitable outcome. Again, I apologize for what I've done and I know it was wrong. Good people make mistakes, I believe I am proof of that.

Now, this really pisses me off, Garr. How the hell am I suppose to continue when you're being kind to me?

Depending on your course of study in college, you may not have to work for a traditional employer, probably working for yourself.

Sadly for you, there's still others still sticking it up you butt over this unfortunate episode. I'll only add fuel to the fire if I see a bonfire.

BTW, this is all Josh's fault  , but you're in no position to concur. No need for Josh, either, to weigh in on this comment. He did do the right thing.

As far as for a scammer tag, I feel that there is no way you should get one. Reason being is that it's been stipulated that that aspect has been abolished. In fact, it was mainly that reason that I kinda reneged on my $200 USD donation to Josh/BFL, having no fear of getting tagged. I have since re-reversed that decision and will be honoring it, but it'll be on my terms. But I digress.

Later, bud.

PS: I came damn near to tearing your apology to pieces, but now can't, you fuckin' lucky bastard.  

No, I don't.   And I'm not suggesting we let people get away with things with no repercussions.  I support a permanent record system would be a sufficient deterrent to this type of behavior.  However, making someone walk the plank for any infraction with no possibility for redemption even after admitting your mistake and offering to make it right sets a bad precedent and isn't representative of what I feel the community should be about.  

@Garr

There is nothing wrong with greed but there is a hell of a lot of wrong in being dishonest.

Fixed it for you. Do you think Garr would have come forward if Inaba (of all people) hadn't called him out?

Quite honestly, it is quite impressive what you've been able to do for your age - but that's a double sided sword. You'be built up a pretty solid operation, but it's also shocking that someone your age would have already developed the self-serving business practices that you've shown. It's not just about bidding up those auctions. You've displayed a hypocritical attitude the whole time you were dealing with BFL, and you've outright lied and misled this entire forum by denying your actions and insinuating that Josh had your hands tied. The coverup is much worse than the actual offense (from my POV, but it's not my coins that you scammed). You came out and admitted your mistakes (congratulations) but you've had plenty of opportunities so far to do so (how about during your first "appology"?). Would anyone here hire you to flip burgers if that meant you would even have a line of sight to the cash register? "I only emptied the tip jar to supplement the dividends I need to pay to Cognitive!!!"

On the bright side, you've probably impressed BFL quite a bit - maybe you could hit them up for a summer internship?

Hi all,

First, I apologize for taking too long to attempt to resolve this situation. I've been extremely frustrated with myself all day. I have been regretting what I have done since the moment I did it.

I hereby confess to bidding up my own auctions using the "Werner" forum handle. This is despicable, I know. I did this out of pure greed. Scamming anyone was not the priority, getting a few extra measly bitcoins for Cognitive's auction was my goal. I have always acted in the best interest of Cognitive, because I know, believe, and practice my fiduciary duty which comes as a result of handling others' assets. I want everyone to know that I will continue doing my best to run the company, the same as I always have. My track record on the forum has been flawless before this incident, and that's what hurts me most. I'm disgusted with myself when people are questioning whether they can trust me now.

Although some may view this as a petty offence (as I did previously), I do not any longer. As an attempt to at least partially make up for my wrongdoing, I am offering each of the participants in the auction, starsoccer9 and Vezunchik, BTC5 of my own personal funds, which more than makes up for the financial loss due false bids in the auction. I realize that what I have done is unacceptable, and I do deeply regret it.

Being an optimist, I can't help but try to take something positive away from a given situation. I believe that because of this incident I will make an effort to be that much better of a person. Everyone who I have interacted with aside from these auction participants, and Josh Zerlan (Inaba), would agree with me when I tell you: I strive to be a person of high moral conduct.

I apologize to everyone for letting greed get in my way. I know trust takes ages to build, and a few posts to destroy. I hope that everyone will acknowledge my past, and see that I have never acted in an externally malicious way, and have always been transparent, friendly, and courteous in all of my dealings with fellow forum members. Know that I am a man of my word: when I say I will do something, I do it. I regret bidding up the auction greatly. Please know that I have never scammed anyone nor have I stolen anything. I have done tons (probably well over 100) transactions of physical items with users of this forum and not one has gone sour. In most of them the other party was the one who had to trust me.

Again, I sincerely regret what I have done and I apologize for doing it. The small sum of bitcoins I gained from this (until I pay the auction bidders back) was certainly not worth the tarnished reputation. Never again will I allow myself to do something so crooked.

Many people trust me with more money than most people my age can fathom. That's not in the least of my concerns. It truly saddens me that you think me bidding up those auctions deserves a lifetime of flipping burgers.

And to respond to Phinnaeus (Who I respect a good deal BTW): I will be leasing a portion of a facility staffed by DC techs who will be able to manage the physical aspect of the operation. I will be able to do everything I need to remotely.

Fixed it for you. Do you think Garr would have come forward if Inaba (of all people) hadn't called him out?

Fixed it for you. Do you think Garr would have come forward if Inaba (of all people) hadn't called him out?

i support this stance as well. Garr has shown that other than these few instances of shill bidding to be a competent addition to the forum and a pretty honest individual. 9/10 people would have lied there ass off. I respect him for admitting it and promising to make it right. I'm sure his two victtims in the shill bid will respect him for making it right and apologizing as well.

My logic is, reward those who are honest and punish those who are not.  The difference between a scammer and someone who makes a mistake is the person making a mistake got caught.

No,

My logic is, reward those who are honest and punish those who are not.  The difference between a scammer and someone who makes a mistake is the scammer when confronted by the situation, runs, leaving the victim holding the bag.  The person who makes the mistake lives up to it and fixes it.  I only hope that person really learned the lesson that earning honest money is always the best policy.  The important thing is that people who were wronged are righted.  If that means Garr needs to take a credibility hit as well, thats up to the mods.  I don't set policy around here.  If not a tag, maybe at least something like a credit report. The incident is recorded and then so is the resolution of the incident. people would know that it happened but also that you fixed it.  Then they can make their own judgement.

So your logic is: you get caught stealing, you give back the money, no harm done and thus no punishment.

That's a joke. If Werner was his sock puppet account, applying a scammer tag on Garr is the only way to protect users in future auctions created by Garr, or in any business transaction with him. If he gives back the money to starsoccer9 and that's it, what stops him to create more sockpuppets and continue to bid shill more auctions? If no tag is applied, he will still be seen by all users as the trustworthy member that holds money for the forum, etc. In fact, giving the type of character he is depicting of himself, one ready to publicly humiliate himself and give up basic principles to get his miners, while subtly implying he is being forced and blackmailed when the Skype logs contradict this, I would fear that in case  he goes unpunished because of paying back, he would find a way to scam more so he can make up for his" loss".

In any case, I think Garr created a big problem for himself. He has a company (cognitive) that will probably be shaken by the outcome of this.

If Werner was indeed his sockpuppet, I guess Garr will end up learning a very real and important lesson: you cannot be" a little bit" scammer, you are either a scammer or you are not, full stop.  And shill bidding is being a scammer.

In these forums we conduct quite a lot of business transactions. There is a thriving economy. And mods have limited power, because a scammer could create many sockpuppets and connect through proxies or Tor and that is difficult to catch. Thus, we all have to take our own decisions about who we are going to trust, and if that trust is broken by someone everybody needs to see it straight away.

Hi all,

First, I apologize for taking too long to attempt to resolve this situation. I've been extremely frustrated with myself all day. I have been regretting what I have done since the moment I did it.

I hereby confess to bidding up my own auctions using the "Werner" forum handle. This is despicable, I know. I did this out of pure greed. Scamming anyone was not the priority, getting a few extra measly bitcoins for Cognitive's auction was my goal. I have always acted in the best interest of Cognitive, because I know, believe, and practice my fiduciary duty which comes as a result of handling others' assets. I want everyone to know that I will continue doing my best to run the company, the same as I always have. My track record on the forum has been flawless before this incident, and that's what hurts me most. I'm disgusted with myself when people are questioning whether they can trust me now.

Although some may view this as a petty offence (as I did previously), I do not any longer. As an attempt to at least partially make up for my wrongdoing, I am offering each of the participants in the auction, starsoccer9 and Vezunchik, BTC5 of my own personal funds, which more than makes up for the financial loss due false bids in the auction. I realize that what I have done is unacceptable, and I do deeply regret it.

Being an optimist, I can't help but try to take something positive away from a given situation. I believe that because of this incident I will make an effort to be that much better of a person. Everyone who I have interacted with aside from these auction participants, and Josh Zerlan (Inaba), would agree with me when I tell you: I strive to be a person of high moral conduct.

I apologize to everyone for letting greed get in my way. I know trust takes ages to build, and a few posts to destroy. I hope that everyone will acknowledge my past, and see that I have never acted in an externally malicious way, and have always been transparent, friendly, and courteous in all of my dealings with fellow forum members. Know that I am a man of my word: when I say I will do something, I do it. I regret bidding up the auction greatly. Please know that I have never scammed anyone nor have I stolen anything. I have done tons (probably well over 100) transactions of physical items with users of this forum and not one has gone sour. In most of them the other party was the one who had to trust me.

Again, I sincerely regret what I have done and I apologize for doing it. The small sum of bitcoins I gained from this (until I pay the auction bidders back) was certainly not worth the tarnished reputation. Never again will I allow myself to do something so crooked.

Many people trust me with more money than most people my age can fathom. That's not in the least of my concerns. It truly saddens me that you think me bidding up those auctions deserves a lifetime of flipping burgers.

LOL Rampion you're a bit late with that post, read the thread!