Topic: Garr255/Werner - Auction shilling - page 20. (Read 23108 times)

Bruno, we've been through this with Atlas. What Garr255 did was wrong, but unless I'm not mistaken, he's still a minor in high school.

And here are Garr's buds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cVvuoG303s Matt being the closest.

just making sure. There were some rumblings on irc about it, i wanted to confirm it was not him.

no

It would not appear so:

Yea, that's out of the loop alright. And no, Garzik is not a teenager.

I may be out of the loop here but is garr255 jeff garzik?

Makes sense, Josh/Inaba is this possible? I mean there is more then enough proof I actually paid and same goes for Vezunchik.

Inaba has been following this and pretty reasonable with the outcome to this point.  It may well be worth asking if some kind of hold could be placed on Garr/Werner's order for your single until this matter is resolved and if he does disappear, perhaps some other arrangement could be met so you get what you were scammed into overpaying for.

Uhm I am a real person. Yea this will really suck if he runs off

+1

Wow, this is really low. I remember garr255 talking about being trusted person and managing other people's money.. here it is


That quote also reveals why mods are stalling with this matter.

1. Yes, possible (possible !) Garr255 can't be trusted. I even had small dispute with him about "Selling ** The VERY FIRST BFL ASIC Order **" where I decided that this was just an April joke (I still think so). But he answered me quickly after "trust -1", showed me BFL units (or not? Or it was another guy on video?). He offered me Skype demonstration and so.
So I decided that its illogical to continue - it was looking like I was trying to get money from him. I value my reputation (is it important?  ). So I removed that record.
2. Well people, You are similar to group of old men. They do nothing, and only repeat the senseless things. "Bla-bla-bla scamer. Bla-bla-bla not a scamer. Bla-bla-bla  ethical reasons. Bla-bla-bla future of bitcoins."
If there is some suspicion - just review forum logs (those who can - admins, moderators. Or I can't understand why do they need on this forum.) Who can't just list some facts in short form and wait.
3. And where is Garr255? Just vanished? Is there any login actions for his account for last days? starsoccer9 is an unreal person too? (What about me - my form of speaking is greater than any digital signature  )

Seems like a pretty solid list.  I wonder what the Cognitive shareholders over here think about these options going forward.

That's a really interesting point as well. Garr has been implying that he's Josh has been explicitly pressing him.

I even said earlier in the thread: "Garr is currently bound by Josh not to defend himself". There's no evidence of that at this point. So I'll have to apologize and retract that statement.

Well he only has four options:

1.  Stop posting about it all - leaving everyone sure he's guilty.
2.  Deny it and ask Theymos to confirm the post never existed (without the request any denial would look weak).
3.  Admit it and apologise etc.
4.  Claim he's still scared you might cancel the order so won't post about it.  Due to your earlier post that would now be unbelievable - as if he believed him posting might make you break your word then he has no reason to believe you won't break it anyway on some other pretext.

2 or 3 are the only sensible ones (depending on whether he did it or not).  If I were to bet on it I'd bet on a period of 1. followed by 3.

Asking Theymos to confirm before you'd made your earlier post was bad tactically.  In poker, on the river, if you're SURE someone's bluffing/has a worse hand then you DON'T call.  You always raise.  If you're telling the truth then you hold the nuts - and a raise was in order.

I'm curious as to what he'll say as well.  Unless Theymos decides to cover it up, and I don't believe Theymos is that type of person, anything Garr255 says other than admitting it, coming clean and trying to move past it is just going to compound the problem dramatically.

This is awesome.  Really very much looking forward to seeing what comes out now.

Good point, and that's fine.  Garr255 is welcome to say what he wants about Werner without any interference from me, beyond what I post here.  As a point of fact, I never said he couldn't.  I simply wanted him to apologize for lying and using a sock puppet, which he did in the most disingenuous way possible and was ultimately meaningless anyway.  However, unlike Garr, I'm actually honest and will not fire him as a customer, since he did what I requested in letter if not spirit.

Inaba:  Assuming that you're telling the truth about the Werner post (which is my instinct) then why not call Garr's bluff?  At present he's hiding behind the perceived threat that you'll cancel his preorder to avoid having to make a clear statement on it.  Make a statement that if he denies it being his sock-puppet AND asks for theymos to confirm the post didn't exist then you won't cancel his pre-order regardless of what theymos then says.  Clearly you run the risk if you do that of Theymos then lieing and saying the post never existed - but he could do that anyway.  And I doubt, if the post existed, theymos would risk lieing.

Garr: If Werner IS your sock-puppet then you need to own up to it clearly and without evasion, admit it was wrong, repay anyone who lost on auctions as a result and bring this to a close.  If Werner isn't your sock-puppet (and you didn't make the post) then you need to be sending a PM to theymos to clear your name.  At present I doubt there's very many people who believe it wasn't you - as it would be a totally stupid thing for Inaba to claim when you're on good terms with the only person who can easily establish the truth.  Having maged/theymos try to worm out of getting involved to protect you would do you more harm than good - as it looks like compounding the fuckup by trying to cover it up.