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Topic: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) - page 151. (Read 262906 times)

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can somebody put it in tl;dr form as i were busy and dont know whats up Smiley
The trolls are trolling as always. For example, one of them just promised to start an anti GAW signature campaign, that will pay better than the oryginal one. I'd love to see that.  Cool
The rest are just repeating the usual "lack of transparency" mantra.
legendary
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To be clear - this is not a 'flaw' in a pool (NiceHash/WestHash) that needs to be fixed. Its a 'flaw' in GAW's business model.

nicehash SHA-256 pool is working fine, and actually my real sha-256 rigs are pointed to it Wink

It was just GAWMiners that is not offering it anymore for its hashlets.

There is no bug and they just removed nicehash pool from hashlets. Nicehash has unusual high profitability on sha-256 in these days.
Anyway my physical sha-256 rigs are paid regularly from nicehash now.
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can somebody put it in tl;dr form as i were busy and dont know whats up Smiley
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To be clear - this is not a 'flaw' in a pool (NiceHash/WestHash) that needs to be fixed. Its a 'flaw' in GAW's business model.
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I have bad feelings for my S3s, nicehash was the reason for my purchase, and now is gone...

Oh, so it's not just hashlets, you can't use NiceHash with "hardware" either? That's brilliant...
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I have bad feelings for my S3s, nicehash was the reason for my purchase, and now is gone...
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I hope Philip gets his BTC for the effort. From the other thread:

I have been thanked via pm from  GAW Miners_Ceo

he promised me a btc bounty.
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Fix - yes. Disable - why? If there were small orders skewing NiceHash averages all GAW had to do was use just enough hashrate to chew up those orders IF THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ANY HASHRATE, which is what has been discussed for about 80 pages now. They would have taken advantage of the larger payout, and at the same time removed the incentive for anyone to attempt this again. Win-win-win for all involved except the ones who put up fake orders. The only reason this whole thing even happened is because GAW decided to outsmart "uneducated regular guys" running the pools and meddle with the natural order of things, like the cycle of profitability and difficulty in mining.

Yeah I guess I should have left disable out. I would much rather see a fix. I don't know (or pretend to know) how GAW's hash/payouts operate. I have a couple cloud miners from them just to play with. I am still pretty new to this game.
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Very nice find! The doosh could of at least said thank you and even paid back what you lost finding the problem (and even a hashlet or 2), what does he do? LIES... Phil goodnight Smiley

 So six minutes after I post I get an email from them telling me oh your emails were in my spam box . We would have rewarded you well but you posted it on bitcointalk so  we are not helping you or rewarding you.  I was not looking for a reward as much as I was looking to get my testing funds back. Frankly they may have been robbed a lot of btc.  As nicehash has had some wild crazy high payouts on sha256. At times 2x the norm  I am pretty sure they were being exploited in that pool as I was able to duplicate the method of attack at my own expense.


Well by reading your posts I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT and that is good to the community, Smiley I also know what eric/josh/gaw are about. Keep up the good work!

STFU Troll
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Very nice find! The doosh could of at least said thank you and even paid back what you lost finding the problem (and even a hashlet or 2), what does he do? LIES... Phil goodnight Smiley

 So six minutes after I post I get an email from them telling me oh your emails were in my spam box . We would have rewarded you well but you posted it on bitcointalk so  we are not helping you or rewarding you.  I was not looking for a reward as much as I was looking to get my testing funds back. Frankly they may have been robbed a lot of btc.  As nicehash has had some wild crazy high payouts on sha256. At times 2x the norm  I am pretty sure they were being exploited in that pool as I was able to duplicate the method of attack at my own expense.


Well by reading your posts I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT and that is good to the community, Smiley I also know what eric/josh/gaw are about. Keep up the good work!
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This is quite amusing. 

I would hope that GAW customers begin to ask themselves if this is a rigged game.  They do not disclose rules at the start, then when rules are discovered or arm-twisted out of them, they feel free to change them if it makes GAW more money.

They then tell you they are taking your payouts away from you "for your own good."


I guess I don't agree with this. You use a way to to profit from an unintended use any company out there would fix/disable it.

Fix - yes. Disable - why? If there were small orders skewing NiceHash averages all GAW had to do was use just enough hashrate to chew up those orders IF THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ANY HASHRATE, which is what has been discussed for about 80 pages now. They would have taken advantage of the larger payout, and at the same time removed the incentive for anyone to attempt this again. Win-win-win for all involved except the ones who put up fake orders. The only reason this whole thing even happened is because GAW decided to outsmart "uneducated regular guys" running the pools and meddle with the natural order of things, like the cycle of profitability and difficulty in mining.
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This is quite amusing.  

I would hope that GAW customers begin to ask themselves if this is a rigged game.  They do not disclose rules at the start, then when rules are discovered or arm-twisted out of them, they feel free to change them if it makes GAW more money.

They then tell you they are taking your payouts away from you "for your own good."


I guess I don't agree with this. You use a way to to profit from an unintended use any company out there would fix/disable it.

No, this is a special risk that GAW chose when setting up their payouts this way and obscuring their actual income.

No other company is open to this risk because they actually mine.  If pool profits go up, then their profits go up.


I added a real world example to my previous post.


This just makes clear that your job as bagholders investors is to carry GAW's risk in whatever it is they are actually doing with your money.
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This is quite amusing. 

I would hope that GAW customers begin to ask themselves if this is a rigged game.  They do not disclose rules at the start, then when rules are discovered or arm-twisted out of them, they feel free to change them if it makes GAW more money.

They then tell you they are taking your payouts away from you "for your own good."


I guess I don't agree with this. You use a way to to profit from an unintended use any company out there would fix/disable it.

I think this stems from the fact that they use pool numbers as payout BUT they don't mine those pools. So, if you use Nicehash for numbers you can't/should not arbitrarily take them away. If Waffle shoots up 15% higher then Zen for two days will they remove that as well, that is what you should be asking yourself.
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This is quite amusing. 

I would hope that GAW customers begin to ask themselves if this is a rigged game.  They do not disclose rules at the start, then when rules are discovered or arm-twisted out of them, they feel free to change them if it makes GAW more money.

They then tell you they are taking your payouts away from you "for your own good."


I guess I don't agree with this. You use a way to to profit from an unintended use any company out there would fix/disable it.
MOB
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There are some interesting bits not directly related to NiceHash.

"I am about to upgrade [Prime] ... to 30-40GH" (not 40GH anymore)

"Where do you think the money to buy that hashing power comes from? Or profits."

(assuming he means "our profits")

The elusive hash power however will not be pointed outside of GAW. Literally disappointing.

He just replied.

https://hashtalk.org/topic/3906/prime-sha-hashlets


Oh four days ago.

I know that thread. I even quoted it somewhere. Your point?


I think he thinks your recent quotes are from that thread.  I guess he can't read good.  Luckily, there is a school for that.


In the topic of scamming, some of you said GAW can't be legit, because their pool has higher payouts than others.
Other pools like nice hash are now paying even more. Any new conspiracy theories?

LOL - did you not read the last few pages? That's been discussed.
No I didn't. I saw this and logged in here to post, because I remembered you used to talk about it. So you think this is due to somebody trying to cheat them? Interesting.

It's just a proof of concept. I doubt you could actually make money from it, unless you own > 10k hashlets.

NiceHash often has spikes of high profitability and has had them long before Hashlet. When GAW decoupled their third-party-pool-based payouts from actually mining on those pools they opened themselves up to this kind of risk. Now they are showing how they deal with this, by removing anything that's too profitable.

This is quite amusing.  

I would hope that GAW customers begin to ask themselves if this is a rigged game.  They do not disclose rules at the start, then when rules are discovered or arm-twisted out of them, they feel free to change them if it makes GAW more money.

They then tell you they are taking your payouts away from you "for your own good."




If you buy an index on the stock market, and then also buy a considerable amount of shares of one of its largest holding, then the index is sure as hell not going to tell you that it went up too much and they will no longer pay out.

Why not?  Because in the stock market example the index actually owns or has a stake in its holdings or at least tracks to those holdings. GAW, on the other hand, is only willing to track a pool if that pool performs poorly.

As a customer, not knowing where GAW's profits comes from makes you unable to judge if any of their products are smart investment because you have no information on what their value is pegged to.  If you thought that a nicehash solo miner would track the pool, so bought it because the pool was doing so well, then you just got shafted by GAW. This problem exists because GAW will not disclose what actually determines its profits.

This is the problem with GAW's lack of transparency (it can hurt their customers) and the reason this thread exists.
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There are some interesting bits not directly related to NiceHash.

"I am about to upgrade [Prime] ... to 30-40GH" (not 40GH anymore)

"Where do you think the money to buy that hashing power comes from? Or profits."

(assuming he means "our profits")

The elusive hash power however will not be pointed outside of GAW. Literally disappointing.

He just replied.

https://hashtalk.org/topic/3906/prime-sha-hashlets


Oh four days ago.

I know that thread. I even quoted it somewhere. Your point?
legendary
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so we should trust a company that has many spinoffs and say they dont own each other or work for each other
sounds more like a oh my one company failed , we never owned that , we owned this one
sounds more like shell company's = tax evasion , hope they got the books in order
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the one thing that is odd to me is this

gawminers.com = http://gawminers.com/pages/faq = bottom of the page it says : Q: Where is your company located? = A: 34 E Dudley Town Road, Bloomfield, CT 06002
then if you go to http://oneminer.com/ = they say they are not part of gawminers but they are ran out of the same building ?
oneminer : http://oneminer.com/pages/faq = ONE MINER RMA DEPT 34 East Dudley Town Road, Bloomfield, CT 06002

but then on hashtalk : https://hashtalk.org/topic/673/oneminer-com
the CEO says they want to talk about the new project they have.

meanwhile on the : http://oneminer.com/pages/faq it says the following
Is GAWMiners.com affiliated with OneMiner.com?

They are not affiliated in any way. No deals can be transferred at any time between the two websites. GAWMiners.com store credit and rewards points are not valid on OneMiner.com and cannot be used toward any purchases at any time.


so what one is it ?
are you guys part of the same company ?
are you guys not part of the same company ?


IIRC, OneMiner/BringBackROI are GAW spinoffs, so not the same company.

Same staff and so on, but technically not the same company.
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the one thing that is odd to me is this

gawminers.com = http://gawminers.com/pages/faq = bottom of the page it says : Q: Where is your company located? = A: 34 E Dudley Town Road, Bloomfield, CT 06002
then if you go to http://oneminer.com/ = they say they are not part of gawminers but they are ran out of the same building ?
oneminer : http://oneminer.com/pages/faq = ONE MINER RMA DEPT 34 East Dudley Town Road, Bloomfield, CT 06002

but then on hashtalk : https://hashtalk.org/topic/673/oneminer-com
the CEO says they want to talk about the new project they have.

meanwhile on the : http://oneminer.com/pages/faq it says the following
Is GAWMiners.com affiliated with OneMiner.com?

They are not affiliated in any way. No deals can be transferred at any time between the two websites. GAWMiners.com store credit and rewards points are not valid on OneMiner.com and cannot be used toward any purchases at any time.


so what one is it ?
are you guys part of the same company ?
are you guys not part of the same company ?
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Stop being a sheep. If you get a refund they are still only worth exactly what you spent on them. I bet I have more skin in this game than you so shhhh little noob.

Are you for real? You have more "skin" in this game, and "shhhh little noob?" What are you like 12 years old?

Wow, you guys are coming out of the woodwork. Again, to be clear, I am a GAW customer but I like to ask questions and do not take everything said at face value and you should not either. It's as simple as that but whenever someone posts something the overzealous people worried about their ROI train leaving get very defensive and start calling troll or some other nonsense. To be fair there are trolls here but there also other asking legitimate questions that have not been answered by GAW.

Take a step back and see it from all sides.
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