Germany League - 2nd Bundesliga Prediction Thread - page 21.

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 17, 2023, 04:30:02 PM

Quote from: Soonandwaite on August 17, 2023, 10:54:52 AM

Hamburger SV vs Hertha BSC Berlin > > yes. hopefully this will be a cool match. last time both teams played each other in the relegation
at the end of last season 22/23. hertha won the relegation in 2022 overall with 2:1 . but last season Hertha BSC deserved to be relegated.
the match will take place at the best football time. on saturday 19 august at 8:30 pm is kick-off . 57000 fans > > and again > > sold out stadium Wink

If I had to make a guess for this game I think I would pick a 3-1 for Hamburg. I know that Hamburg is great in showing unexpected bad performances, but they are never really bad. Like so bad that they would consistently play trashy games for several weeks or even months in a row. But when I look at Hertha these days, I think that they are really bad. I have no idea what their game plan is and it is again Pal Dardai for the third time in 8 years. Given that he was fired in between and then hired again, I think that's a strange statistic to have for any club.

Hamburg managed to win 3 - 0 and show up with an amazing game, it's no wonder if you predict Hamburg can win 3 - 1 because Hamburg is still the same as last season as a team that cannot be underestimated.
If examined as a whole, Hertha is not on par with Hamburg and everyone who observes the Bubdesliga understands that Hamburg has performed better than Hertha.
Even though Hamburg in Bubdesliga 1 was eliminated and went to Bubdesliga 2, when they were in Bundesliga 2, Hamburg became the strongest like last season.
From the experience gained from Bundesliga 1 against big and strong teams, it made it easier for Hamburg to conquer Bundesliga 2.
This season, Hamburg must be able to show a better game so that in the upcoming season they can return to Bubdesliga 1.

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Hertha BSC Berlin ! what's going on in Berlin ? 3 matches in the 2.bundesliga completed and 0 points and no goals scored .
yesterday Hertha BSC Berlin deservedly lost at Hamburger SV with 0:3 . i think never before a relegated team has started so badly into the season .
Hamburger SV is now first. but today Holstein Kiel still plays and can become first again with a win.

here all results from friday and saturday :

source: https://int.soccerway.com/national/germany/2-bundesliga

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Quote from: Soonandwaite on August 17, 2023, 10:54:52 AM

Hamburger SV vs Hertha BSC Berlin > > yes. hopefully this will be a cool match. last time both teams played each other in the relegation
at the end of last season 22/23. hertha won the relegation in 2022 overall with 2:1 . but last season Hertha BSC deserved to be relegated.
the match will take place at the best football time. on saturday 19 august at 8:30 pm is kick-off . 57000 fans > > and again > > sold out stadium Wink

If I had to make a guess for this game I think I would pick a 3-1 for Hamburg. I know that Hamburg is great in showing unexpected bad performances, but they are never really bad. Like so bad that they would consistently play trashy games for several weeks or even months in a row. But when I look at Hertha these days, I think that they are really bad. I have no idea what their game plan is and it is again Pal Dardai for the third time in 8 years. Given that he was fired in between and then hired again, I think that's a strange statistic to have for any club.

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Hamburger SV vs Hertha BSC Berlin > > yes. hopefully this will be a cool match. last time both teams played each other in the relegation
at the end of last season 22/23. hertha won the relegation in 2022 overall with 2:1 . but last season Hertha BSC deserved to be relegated.
the match will take place at the best football time. on saturday 19 august at 8:30 pm is kick-off . 57000 fans > > and again > > sold out stadium Wink

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 17, 2023, 02:49:47 AM

Quote from: mv1986 on August 16, 2023, 04:38:16 PM

Hertha BSC is off to a very bad early phase of the 2. Bundesliga. It is hard to imagine that not too long ago hundreds and hundreds of millions have been raised from an investor to get the team to a new level and achieve new heights, and now they are facing Hamburg in a game away on match day 3 with 0 points from the first two games so far. I can smell that this will not be a very funny season for them. I haven't looked further into what is going on there, but if they got all this money and signed players with high salaries, I think the whole club could implode if they don't become successfully and financially sustainable. I think they are the most interesting club to watch in the 2. Bundesliga this season.

@mv1986 since it’s just the start of the season they can yet recover and I won’t rule them out unless they lose few more back to back matches and if that happens then their head coach could come under severe pressure as questions will be raised about his ability to guide them. Also let’s hope that they don’t mess their finances because when a club messes their finances their survival becomes really difficult hence I hope that they’ll find a way to recover from this mess quickly.

Hertha BSC has started really badly. They have lost both of the opening matches of this season. And this puts them at the absolute bottom of the table. This is certainly not good for them. But I also understand that it is the start of the season and probably they will be able to improve. But they better start improving quickly because otherwise it will be too late for them to actually do anything. They better start winning from the next match, because if they continue losing, the climb up through the rankings is going to be a lot more difficult for them. But it is still certainly very much recoverable. Still not too late at all, to be honest.

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 16, 2023, 04:38:16 PM

Hertha BSC is off to a very bad early phase of the 2. Bundesliga. It is hard to imagine that not too long ago hundreds and hundreds of millions have been raised from an investor to get the team to a new level and achieve new heights, and now they are facing Hamburg in a game away on match day 3 with 0 points from the first two games so far. I can smell that this will not be a very funny season for them. I haven't looked further into what is going on there, but if they got all this money and signed players with high salaries, I think the whole club could implode if they don't become successfully and financially sustainable. I think they are the most interesting club to watch in the 2. Bundesliga this season.

@mv1986 since it’s just the start of the season they can yet recover and I won’t rule them out unless they lose few more back to back matches and if that happens then their head coach could come under severe pressure as questions will be raised about his ability to guide them. Also let’s hope that they don’t mess their finances because when a club messes their finances their survival becomes really difficult hence I hope that they’ll find a way to recover from this mess quickly.

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Hertha BSC is off to a very bad early phase of the 2. Bundesliga. It is hard to imagine that not too long ago hundreds and hundreds of millions have been raised from an investor to get the team to a new level and achieve new heights, and now they are facing Hamburg in a game away on match day 3 with 0 points from the first two games so far. I can smell that this will not be a very funny season for them. I haven't looked further into what is going on there, but if they got all this money and signed players with high salaries, I think the whole club could implode if they don't become successfully and financially sustainable. I think they are the most interesting club to watch in the 2. Bundesliga this season.

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Quote from: bct_ail on August 10, 2023, 05:21:06 AM

There are no matches in the Bundesliga 2 this weekend. Instead, the first round of the DFB Cup will be played. Paderborn will have to do it without Max Kruse. He injured his thigh in the last match against Osnabrück. It is not yet known when he will be able to play again.
SV Wehen, who have just been promoted, can also rest a little longer. They will play against Leipzig. But not until 27 September, because Leipzig will play in the Supercup against Bayern Munich at Saturday.
I am curious to see what surprises there will be in the first round. The cup has its own laws, as the saying goes.

yes. that's right. there are no games this weekend. but we have an extra thread for the DFB pokal in the gambling section.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456789.msg62424638#msg62424638 Germany DFB Cup 2023/2024 - Discussion and Prediction
but there is always some news: st.pauli has signed a new striker: Scott Banks comes from England from Crystal Palace and stays on loan until the end of the season.

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Quote from: bct_ail on August 10, 2023, 05:21:06 AM

There are no matches in the Bundesliga 2 this weekend. Instead, the first round of the DFB Cup will be played. Paderborn will have to do it without Max Kruse. He injured his thigh in the last match against Osnabrück. It is not yet known when he will be able to play again.
SV Wehen, who have just been promoted, can also rest a little longer. They will play against Leipzig. But not until 27 September, because Leipzig will play in the Supercup against Bayern Munich at Saturday.
I am curious to see what surprises there will be in the first round. The cup has its own laws, as the saying goes.

Signing Max Kruse wasn't very smart by Paderborn. I don't know why they thought it is the right move, but I doubt that he will deliver them what they are hoping for. He will still have his scandals and produce the wrong headlines. Maybe he can get back to his form when he was valuable for the team, but I give him perhaps two or three months until he will be mostly sitting on the bench and have his first argument publicly with the managers. Wink

So far it is a massive Northern dominance in the league. Only Hannover is now doing very well, but with Hamburg, Kiel and Rostock it couldn't be any more Northern than that.

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There are no matches in the Bundesliga 2 this weekend. Instead, the first round of the DFB Cup will be played. Paderborn will have to do it without Max Kruse. He injured his thigh in the last match against Osnabrück. It is not yet known when he will be able to play again.
SV Wehen, who have just been promoted, can also rest a little longer. They will play against Leipzig. But not until 27 September, because Leipzig will play in the Supercup against Bayern Munich at Saturday.
I am curious to see what surprises there will be in the first round. The cup has its own laws, as the saying goes.

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Hertha Berlin have a new player. Michal Karbownik. He is a defender and comes from Premier League club Brighton and Hove Albion. Last season he was loaned to Düsseldorf. His contract with Hertha Berlin runs until 2026. Maybe we will see him already on Saturday at the match against Hamburger SV.

Another Berlin player may be leaving soon. Goalkeeper Oliver Christensen. It looks like he will be going to AC Florence. Berlin would then get about 6 Mio Euros but would lose another goalkeeper. Alexander Schwolow moved to Union Berlin. And Marius Gersbeck is suspended.

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Quote from: bct_ail on August 08, 2023, 03:31:00 AM

Quote from: Soonandwaite on August 07, 2023, 12:37:33 PM

Quote from: bct_ail on August 07, 2023, 03:49:23 AM

~snipe~
Hertha Berlin, on the other hand, did not have a good start. But they should have won the game against Wiesbaden. But in the end, Wiesbaden scored the goal and won.

Hertha BSC is so bad ! even the Hertha fans don't go to the stadium. only 40466 fans were in the stadium for the game Hertha BSC Berlin against SV Wehen.
but in the Berlin Olympia Stadium over 74k fit in. where were the Hertha fans ? in the garden having a barbecue ?

But that was not much different last season. And that was in Bundesliga 1. There were games with only 25,000 spectators against Wolfsburg and the sold-out top games. At the first game against Frankfurt there were also only 45,000 spectators. You also have to consider that Germany has school holidays at the moment and therefore many people are not at home.

Here is a list of the numbers of spectators for the home games from last season:

https://www.reviersport.de/fussball/1bundesliga-2223-mannschaften-660111331-hertha-bsc-berlin-zuschauer.html

Also, I think fan support can be exhausted at some point, too. Berlin is a big city and some people might consider a visit as a part of their journey to the town, but when they only play 2. Bundesliga? The difference between them and Union is that Union plays more and talks less while Hertha has been talking about playing the Champions League a few years ago when Windhorst became an investor. They crashed so hard that the whole thing became nothing but ridiculous. They should have talked less and instead focus on hard work.

Too much is too much and I know that fan loyalty can be intense, but it is also a difference whether the stadium has a size of 30,000 visitors or 75,000 visitors. Filling a 75,000 stadium in the 2. Bundesliga isn't easily done.

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Quote from: Soonandwaite on August 07, 2023, 12:37:33 PM

Quote from: bct_ail on August 07, 2023, 03:49:23 AM

~snipe~
Hertha Berlin, on the other hand, did not have a good start. But they should have won the game against Wiesbaden. But in the end, Wiesbaden scored the goal and won.

Hertha BSC is so bad ! even the Hertha fans don't go to the stadium. only 40466 fans were in the stadium for the game Hertha BSC Berlin against SV Wehen.
but in the Berlin Olympia Stadium over 74k fit in. where were the Hertha fans ? in the garden having a barbecue ?

But that was not much different last season. And that was in Bundesliga 1. There were games with only 25,000 spectators against Wolfsburg and the sold-out top games. At the first game against Frankfurt there were also only 45,000 spectators. You also have to consider that Germany has school holidays at the moment and therefore many people are not at home.

Here is a list of the numbers of spectators for the home games from last season:

https://www.reviersport.de/fussball/1bundesliga-2223-mannschaften-660111331-hertha-bsc-berlin-zuschauer.html

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Quote from: bct_ail on August 07, 2023, 03:49:23 AM

~snipe~
Hertha Berlin, on the other hand, did not have a good start. But they should have won the game against Wiesbaden. But in the end, Wiesbaden scored the goal and won.

Hertha BSC is so bad ! even the Hertha fans don't go to the stadium. only 40466 fans were in the stadium for the game Hertha BSC Berlin against SV Wehen.
but in the Berlin Olympia Stadium over 74k fit in. where were the Hertha fans ? in the garden having a barbecue ?
that is disappointing for the first match in their own stadium in the season. Schalke 04 = over 61k fans, Hamburger SV 57k fans. both stadiums sold out.
these fans love their club. if Hertha now loses the next match in Hamburg..... oha ... then the disaster is perfect and Pal Dardai can look for a new job.
but who knows..maybe Berlin will win in Hamburg . let's be surprised .

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Quote from: Soonandwaite on August 06, 2023, 12:04:06 PM

the 2nd matchday is over. Schalke 04 won, Hamburger SV drew and Hertha BSC Berlin lost again. none of the 3 teams is at the top.
but there is a team that I personally would not have expected to be there > > Hansa Rostock has two wins and 6 points.
who would have expected that? second is Holstein Kiel and then comes one of the favourites. is Dardai still coach in Berlin? Grin

A perfect start for Rostock. Last season they were almost relegated and now they already have two wins. That gives the players a lot of self-confidence.
Hertha Berlin, on the other hand, did not have a good start. But they should have won the game against Wiesbaden. But in the end, Wiesbaden scored the goal and won.
The victory from Schalke cannot be rate. Kaiserlautern got 2 red cards and that was too easy for Schalke after the cards.

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the 2nd matchday is over. Schalke 04 won, Hamburger SV drew and Hertha BSC Berlin lost again. none of the 3 teams is at the top.
but there is a team that I personally would not have expected to be there > > Hansa Rostock has two wins and 6 points.
who would have expected that? second is Holstein Kiel and then comes one of the favourites. is Dardai still coach in Berlin? Grin

source:https://de.soccerway.com/national/germany/2-bundesliga

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Quote from: Soonandwaite on August 03, 2023, 01:30:44 PM

but there will be some other players coming and going.
because transfer deadline is only on september 1st at 6:00pm . maybe there will be some surprises till then

Of course there will still be some transfers. Let us see how Yusuf Kabadayi fits in the team. He will only be on loan for one year. With the option that he can be bought afterwards.

Quote from: Soonandwaite on August 04, 2023, 05:44:28 AM

that would not be good for the club from hamburg ! one of the best defenders of the 2.bundesliga, Jakov Medic will probably change from St.Pauli to Ajax Amserdam.
Jakov Medic is supposed to get a contract until 2028 and St.Pauli a transfer fee of about 3 million euros.
this deal is not fixed yet. but Medic is supposed to do his medical check today in Amsterdam.
i think the transfer will happen and St.Pauli will lose a good player.

But 3 million euros is a good sum for St. Pauli. But as you said, they lose a good central defender. But they still have Hauke Wahl (came from Kiel) and Karol Mets (from Zurich) as new players.

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that would not be good for the club from hamburg ! one of the best defenders of the 2.bundesliga, Jakov Medic will probably change from St.Pauli to Ajax Amserdam.
Jakov Medic is supposed to get a contract until 2028 and St.Pauli a transfer fee of about 3 million euros.
this deal is not fixed yet. but Medic is supposed to do his medical check today in Amsterdam.
i think the transfer will happen and St.Pauli will lose a good player.

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Today in the 2nd Bundesliga there will be a match between Hertha Berlin and Wehen. Hertha Berlin were relegated from the Bundesliga last season. But last week they lost to Düsseldorf. They have not had a good start in the 2nd Bundesliga. On the other hand, Wehen got 1 point in their first match this season. According to my research, they were promoted from the 3rd League to the 2nd Bundesliga this year. It will be a very interesting match. Normally Hertha Berlin would be the favorite in this match. But I am not going to bet on this match, I will just follow the outcome of this match closely as it is an interesting match. I like to follow such interesting matches.

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Quote from: bct_ail on August 03, 2023, 02:13:37 AM

Hertha Berlin showed in the match against Düsseldorf that they still need support from a Striker. And that is what they got. Tabakovic from Austria Wien. Let us see if he will ensure that goals are scored.
Karlsruhe have brought in Lars Stindel. A player who should not be underestimated. It will be important for Hamburg to keep an eye on him.
Schalke against Kaiserslautern. No idea how they will play.

yes. many clubs are still bringing in new players to strengthen the team. Schalke 04 has also signed a new player:
Yusuf Kabadayi comes from Bayern München to the Schalke team. he is an offensive player .but there will be some other players coming and going.
because transfer deadline is only on september 1st at 6:00pm . maybe there will be some surprises till then

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