Topic: Ελλάς (Greece) - page 14. (Read 38582 times)

So I did a SEPA transfer to Bitstamp using Winbank (Piraeus' ebanking system) costed me 0.5euros. It took about 3 bussiness days (5 days in total because of the weekend) for Bitstamp to deposite the money to my account. I sent about 100 euros which got converted to USD by Bitstamp for free (with quite a good conversion rate; I mean if I let my bank do the conversion instead it would cost me more) and then I paid 0.5% fee to buy bitcoins with an instant order which took about 10 minutes or so. So everything went smooth, if anyone from Greece want to buy bitcoins, bitstamp looks like a nice solution (Mt Gox needs verification and stuff).

@imanikin: how do you even email the CEO of a greek bank? :-D Cause anyone under him will probably have never heard of bitcoin. I mean, the clerks haven't heard of SEPA so it would take at least being a CEO to know about Bitcoin. :-P

...speaking of Greek banks, will be interesting what if anything the Bank of Greece and the Greek bankers will say regarding the ECB VC report:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1305601

TEM doesn't respond, but maybe the bankers will... 

I am also using winbank. OK I'll SEPA from there to Bitstamp.

web banking is the most friendly and low cost way to sent/receive money. i find winbank very user friendly by using mtgox exchange (wire and SEPA)

Thanks Seranata. I also noticed at the same time that my web banking charges 0.5 euros to send to Slovenia (bitstamp.net). I think I'll give bitstamp a try today. On the counter they charge 18 euros. WTF???

Also if anyone has suggestions about exchanges that he/she has used, I'm interested to hear about them.

Emporiki Bank is charging 0,50 euro for SEPA transfers, so is Εθνική (National Bank). Speaking about web banking of course, I've no idea how much it is at the counter.
Avoid Paypal at all costs. They could freeze your account if they ever learn about it. You could also consider localbitcoins.com

difficulty in Greece is rising like BTC difficulty 
lets see where it ends!
Digital currencies are not very popular at the moment, lets wait for bank collapsing and then we are talking!

Has anyone tried to buy Bitcoins from Greece?

Most Greek bank clerks haven't even heard about SEPA (they are completely useless and unprofessional) and even those that know about it as for 8-15 euros per transaction, so unless I am buying 1000 euros worth of bitcoins it's not really worth it.


Other ways?

I could try with Paypal over OTR or find someone on the forums first (in hopes that he will trust me and consider the PayPal transaction risk free) but Paypal will be my last resort.

Agreed, that IF it really happens the EU will break.

The question here is what that will mean to Bitcoin and other digital money in Greece... 

The EU seems to remain stratified financially and economically anyway. So, its breakup might seem beneficial now to its member countries, because it's not working as originally intended anyway...

Not so?

bullshit !
you remove one part, you destroy the big one!

"Greek Euro Exit Unavoidable if IMF, Euro Zone Can't Agree
...the time of reckoning is here." 

Perhaps, their TEM account with their web hoster is on zero?  Could it be that their faith in the Euro is renewed, and they dropped the TEM idea?

Hopefully, they did NOT myBitcoin.coN their users and run off with all the IOU's... 

TEM seems like an interesting saga on the inside; wish there was a TEM forum, where it was all discussed, the way the B drama is chronicled here...  

BTW the TEM page is down again... 

Thank you for the translation, Tritonio! 

KonstantinosM, welcome! Would you care to elaborate on how you think the economy was ruined and how you think it could have been run better?

It would also be interesting to hear your view on TEM, and why Bitcoin is not making much progress in Greece, compared to much less financially troubled countries.

Since this is the Greek thread here, it will be great if you answer in greek, as long as you use greek letters, so that non-greek speakers here can use a translator to figure out what you said.

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GTRANSLATION FOR ANYONE INTERESTED: I am greek. I moved to America 3 years ago. Greece is a country that I would happily spend my whole life! It's a shame that the economy is completely ruined and that we have such a weak government.

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Hi Konstantinos. Greece is nice for holidays mostly. If I could leave right now, I would, but I'll have to stay for a few more years here. As for the weak governement. It's not weak at all, it's just a terrible and serves certain lobbies. Other than that I think we would have more luck rebuilding the economy on our own without a government meddling in everything. Well we could, but the moment our government becomes actually weak (meaning it looses control over the police and the army) I bet quite a few Greeks (maybe almost half of them?) will easily accept a junta again as long as it keeps immigrants out of their neighborhood ad grants them basic healthcare.

gia auto thn ekanes?

Eimai ellinas. Metakomisa stin Ameriki prin apo 3ia xronia. I ellada einai mia xwra stin opia 8a eimoun xaroumenos na zisw oli mou tin zwi! Einai krima pou exei katastrafei telios I oikonomia kai oti exoume mia toso adunami kivernisi.

I shall send them an email tomorrow and see if they answer.

I meant the politcompass charts. Perhaps, there really aren't many anarchists in Greece; they just say they are because they have the luxury to be able to do it, as a protest against state corruption, and are actually socialists.
Perhaps i don't understand correctly, but being unarmed doesn't seem very conducive to being an anarchist... 
I wrote to the purveyors of TEM some months ago, asking for a comment here regarding B and their TEM lessons learned... As you know, they didn't respond. Perhaps, if you contact them in Greek, they will respond in Greek, and you can tell us what exactly they said, besides the literal translation...
Yes, some kind of Franco/DeGaulle/Pinochet type government does seem to me the most likely to emerge in the log run, considering there isn't much libertarian sentiment or recent experience.
Before that, might  be what was in Russia in the '90's - a weak, government, with the "safety" being provided by local criminal groups. Seems wise to postpone that kind of a transition as long as possible, to give the populace time to prepare in various ways, which looking from outside seems to be what's happening... 

In such a collaps, it does seem advantageous to have a system like the American or even the Swiss one, where a lot of people besides the criminals and the state agents are armed rather well. Particularly in America, people continue arming, and many states continue to make it easier to own and carry personal weapons. If the local police collapsed, in any neighborhood there are probably a number of "decent" people not only with serious firearms, but recent combat experience... 

Which positions do you mean? Also not all pirates here like the idea of bitcoins. I've seen quite a few people that are into the Pirate Party only  because it's the only party they trust that it will allow them to affect how they are governed, while they themselves have socialist beliefs.To be honest I am not really sure how fast TEM is expanding if at all. Maybe someone else from Greece, Volos (the place where TEM started) might enlighten us. All I can say is that I live in Athens like 1/3 of the population and I haven't heard of a widely used TEM-like system here. I got a small leaflet while getting out of the Metro yesterday though. It was about some system called "κουκιά" (koukia.gr). It's sponsored by some companies but I still haven't checked it out.Yes, an exit would be an amazing (but painful for most) test. On the other hand the current situation is painful enough for many and there are times where I think that it would be easier for most people to live off of a black market if we parted from the eurozone. My only concern about the state getting "demolished" in one way or another is that most Greeks are practically unarmed and living in big cities. Even now the police is practically not functioning. It's not hard to imagine the people accepting another junta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_military_junta_of_1967%E2%80%931974) just to feel safer.