Topic: Gridcoin (GRC) - first coin utilizing BOINC - Official Thread - page 277. (Read 597505 times)

bump ... still no reply to my previous problems (which I am classifying by numbers so you can deal with them in a more organized manner).... things are getting from bad to worse ... read on

Problem 3: Password problem

Now my desktop hung up and would show a black screen (its a fresh install of windows 7 so I suspect its your software).
After hanging up i restarted it and opened Boinc Manager window (its already on autostart preference). To my surprise it started saying "You have an incorrect password". And it said "disconnected" at the bottom. Since I had not changed the password at all I decided to reboot it and check. Again to my surprise it worked fine just as before.

These are unexpected things happening while running gridcoin-qt!!

Problem 4: Credits Problem

I have SETI and Rosetta running - SETI has completed 2 tasks while Rosetta has completed one.All the tasks show "ready to report" but Rosetta has granted credit while SETI has not granted any credit on their respective homepages. Why this discrepancy ?

You can see the images here to make things more clear http://imgur.com/iGUMZO6&a3D1ZBQ&Owu6U6B.

The Rosetta page is giving a "client error" on one of the tasks as is evident from the images. What is causing that ?

Also it has been about a day since the desktop has been running and there are credits on the rosetta page which show that some work has been done. However I have not received any gridcoins yet. Are the two numbers (credits on the home page and gridcoins recieved) related in some way ?

Dont get me wrong, I am all for science (infact I used to run BOINC on my desktop a couple of years back too) but if we are to make gridcoin successful then we need better support. Or a generations' computing resources are just going to go to waste !!

Is there a way to change this black color on the GUI?
I just updated to the last version and now most of the GUI is black. o.o
http://i.imgur.com/X5ygmFt.png

Hi GridCoin and Andrew,


Problem 1 :

I have done everything as you asked Andrew to do (since I am CPU mining as well) . However I am unlear by what you mean by "Gridcoin Projects maintenance page in the textbox"


I have SETI and Rosetta projects then would these be the pages - http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/home.php and http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/home.php ? If those are the pages you mean by Gridcoin Projects maintainence page then I cant find the place to put my user id to connect to my wallet. Kindly let me know what I am doing wrong.


Problem 2 : GUI Miner missing

(From what I understand I cant CPU mine without GPU so this is a secondry but still an important step to make it more efficient.)

Also the mining console shows me "GUI Miner missing" at the bottom along with "0 KHps". I have the guiminer (extracted) folder at "C:\Program Files\Gridcoin" .
So I tried executing the guimer application from within the (extracted and correctly placed) folder but it displays a dialog box which says "Errors Occurred" - "See log file guiminer.exe for more details". The file shows the following

Please let me know what I am doing wrong ?

Just for more clarity my gridcoin.conf has the following contents

Hi,

yeah, that would help me a lot too

For CPU mining the wallet and boinc are sufficient. For GPU mining you need the miner.

If I'm correct from what has been written here, you first need to mine a block before "listminers" recognizes you and you'll receive rewards.

I hope the answers are correct and infact help you
It definitely is not a waste of time

Regards,
Andrew.

This is all perfectly thought out!
If I'm correct this all means that in the future it will be more and more important to dedicate as much computing power to BOINC projects from miners to get more shares and earn more GRC. More BOINC=More GRC, right?
What if someone would have a GPU rig mainly for mining with a low end CPU doing BOINC and maybe a server on a side with 2 Xeons doing A LOT of BOINC...would those results be added up for that miner, or you want to keep it one machine one result? Also the same for CPU mining..if I would use the same receiving address, same project and same ID on mupltiple machines, the shares will add up, right?

Sure I'll definately get the rig asap From what has been said I understand that the CPU the rig is going to have will be very important in the future when more and more miners come, right?

Andrew.

I'm still really new to mining but from what I've learned so far the 2 most important thinks to have the rig stable and running to its full potential is good power supply and cooling.

Hi Rob,

Thanks, screenshots always do a lot

I saved the User ID into Gridcoin Projects as you wrote, it is now in gridcoin.conf. It stays saved and after pressing "query" I can now see the credits. So it works perfectly, thanks!

Briefly for a couple of minutes after downloading the new version(4.77) now, the Gridcoin Project displayed "-3", however now it again shows correct number of credits..thought it might be helpful info.
"listcpuminer" now shows 5 miners, all of which according to grc addresses are yours I'll let you know as soon as the beacon is sent from my wallet and if it lists me.

I'll make a simple manual for the cpu mining setup, with some pictures tomorrow(its 4 in the morning in Europe so I'll be off soon) if it helps..I think I've already asked all the questions that a new user might want to know and it seems to work

Andrew.

If someone could create a project in boinc to heal brains, that aren't able to mine that beautiful coin, like mine, It would be wonderful !!


I have a few question if you can healp me :

- Are the wallet and boinc suffisant to mine or must we mine with cgminer too ?
- I see Boinc processor power 100 but boinc khps 0 oO! Is it normal ?
- I can't find myself in listminers but I'm registered in it ( I think ) getpoolminingmode gives : "PoolMiningMode=" : true

It seems obvious to mee that I'm not mining :/

Is a miner aside the wallet mandatory ? If yes, can I use reaper ?

Sorry for my English and for wasting your time

and thanks for your answers ^^

For the gpu miners, the 5-150 grc is based on proc utilization + threads + avg_daily_credits (for all projects summed).  The avg_daily_credits isnt quite turned on yet, but will definately get used when people are close to pool mining so as to compete with each other fairly.  For Cpu-only mining, Berkeley does the PoW through the api checked through a gpu miners node (ie not checked by yourself , and its 100% based on the avg_daily_credits for the particular project that instance is working on.  For example, if your beacon went out for Malaria, you are competing against other Malaria miners in the CPU pool.  So technically, graphics cards do help on cpu-only mining, if they can raise the avg_daily_credits.   But while we are really small, youll probably get 150grc a day for a cpu, since were not splitting it up or competing with anyone.  When it heats up, the avg credits will actually matter, since it drives the boinc shares.

Id still build a rig, since you can make more GRC per hour, and you can do both.  The GPUs (and or asics in a few years) will always be part of the system since they check the work of the cpus and consolidate blocks.  Just so everyone knows my opinion, as long as asics are disruptive, we will make the program work for our group even if we have to embed our own scrypt miner in the program with a different password!  Im only for asics when they do not disturb our ecosystem.

Rob H.

This is a very good question.
Technically it is possible to short circuit the motherboard On wire to Ground? to permanently keep a smaller PSU running and use that for one card, but I highly discourage that.  Ive been down that road using beat up parts and its really not worth it.  Your better off buying a corsair 1050watt power supply.  Also, the cheap ebay power supplies aren't really any good.  They might work for a month and then you have to buy the corsair and throw the other one in the trash.  Also, good power supplies have a single rail so you wont unbalance the load by accidentally pulling 300 amps from one mosfet.  You might have to pay $200 for a good power supply but the machine will be stable and you can run 4-5 cards off of it.

Rob H.

Hi Andy,

I see your png's pictures, excellent, good job.
Well, I forgot something, no wonder it is not working.  We'll have to make a manual for this.
Once you do all that you did already, then we are supposed to go to the boinc web site for that particular project, for example, for Malaria, you log in to the same place you created your malaria account on their site (this is so there is no single point of failure for boinc API) and you find the link that lets you look at your average credits.  Find your userid, it should be a 5-7 digit numeric number.  Then take that number and put it in your Gridcoin Projects maintenance page in the textbox and press save (this info is only stored on your machine no one else can see it)- that is what links your wallet address to the boinc userid.

Then after it is saved (you can see it in gridcoin.conf, if you look) then click query.  The -11 should change to an amount of credits that matches Malaria.
Yeah, -11 means it cant find the userid.


Then, within 12 hours the program will send the beacon to the Malaria gridcoin project address with .04-.08grc in it.  At that point, we can run the "listcpuminers" and see if you are listed.

Ill wait for that.

Good luck,
Rob H.

New version available for download (4.76):
* Fixes the Red X error that occasionally hangs up one of the charts.
* Adds the Upgrade feature, so you can type "upgrade" at the rpc prompt and automatically upgrade to newer versions.
* Implements a new command line diagnostic tool.

Rob H.

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.

Also, out of curiosity, can I power 1 rig with more than one psu? Let's say I have a board that can house 7 cards, however even 1500w psu wouldn't be enough..can power 4 cards by one psu and 3 by another one?

Andrew.

Ye the cards have to be separated otherwise they starting heating each other and that is very bad.

Great, that is what I thought.

So regarding the BOINC part..for the future mining rewards, it also depends on the net # of BOINC credits that a particular miner creates, not only on the utilization, is that right? Or is it right only for CPU mining? Or not at all

Andrew.

Hi Rob,

Not a problem. I'm sure you have to be very busy.
Thanks for clearing everything out for me..as I've said I'm new to mining so my questions probably sound off sometimes.

From what you are writing it seems that everything on my side is probably setup correctly. Here is how it looks:
1. BOINC manager, the bottom one is the Malaria Control #1 in projects in wallet and its user name is set to the receiving address. http://i.imgur.com/2Q95pZr.png
2. My wallet where the receiving address is labeled "Default" http://i.imgur.com/oy8rhDP.png
3. This is the Projects from wallet and that is what is probably wrong. It shows "-11" and if I press "Query", nothing happens. http://i.imgur.com/oYFB4ns.png
   I have checked that the receiving address labeled "Default" is same as the user name on malariacontrol.net project web site. Also there are ~3800 kredits with ~350 avg. credits. so it has done some work on that project. The project name is malariacontrol.net..To be sure I've checked that again since there are 2 malaria projects on BOINC.

I'll keep it open and running BOINC however until the #3 is not resolved and showing correct values it's not working, am I right?

Regards,
Andrew.

Regarding the cards hanging from the top of his cage, most of the litecoin miners get cards such as the radeon 7950 frozr, and in order to have more than 2, you need whats called a powered riser, usually a 7" PCI-E extension cable (you can actually buy them on amazon), and they can plug in the 1x PCIe slot :
 http://www.amazon.com/Powered-PCIe-Riser-Molex-Connector/dp/B00D7LEKUK
Yes, this keeps the heat way down because the cards are far apart.  Ive been buying 16" square clothes hampers and building a rig with 2 on the board, 2 screwed to the top of the hamper and placing a box fan on the top- the hampers have holes on the side for airflow.  Milk crates work good too, if you can find one that holds the board.

Rob H.

Hi Andy--
Sorry for the delay, missed your last post about cpu mining.

First of all, the CPU-only mining feature is still in beta so the actual pay-out feature is not turned on, but I'm glad you are interested as I think it may become popular- you are the first user.

The CPU miner in the mining console is only there for security - it is not related to the CPU mining feature (even though the name is the same).  Anyway, the cpuminer (and cpuminer test) stores security info in the chain.  The CPU mining feature allows you to mine on the cpu only and be rewarded up to 150grc per day per boinc cpu-only user.  Yes, you can GPU-mine and cpu-mine at the same time.

Since you are the first user interested in testing, I will go along in parallel and work this out until we get the feature working.  You have your settings correct in the config file (cpumining=true).
Next, you said you already set up one of the 5 official boinc projects (the ones found in Boinc Projects screen, Malaria being #1).  You already set up your default GRC receiving address on the project web site.  Next ensure your receiving address in the Receive addressbook page is labeled as "Default" (by default, its labeled "Empty")- that has to be changed. 

Next go into the Projects screen and click Query.  Verify the avg credits value in the textbox next to the cpu project is 0 and there is no error on the screen to the right of the credits.  If it is -1, you may not have your receiving address registered.  Also verify boinc has done some work on that project, if so, what are your avg daily credits and project name?

On my machine, I have 821 daily credits showing for Malaria.  Once you are that far, we have to wait about 12 hrs to see if your machine sends out a beacon.  I just turned mine on, so we will have to wait a while.  Check the outgoing transactions to look for a transaction for .08GRC out.  You can label that GRC outbound address with your project, such as Malaria so you know what its for.

Once we get that far, let me know, and at that point we should see each other in the "listcpuminers" screen.  Then, we may be able to turn this feature on for payment in pool2.  The security upgrade is a higher priority so this may take more than 7 days to get to, but we'll see how far we get.

Best Regards,
Rob H.

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Thanks.

Not sure yet..but probably something that can house 4+ cards.
From what I've seen on your video, there is some kind of extension from the slot on the motherboard to the cards that are hung from the top. Is this because these cards are wide and wouldn't fit on the motherboard next to each other in traditional way or is it because of cooling?

I am not going to definitely decide what to get, because I do not understand the HW side yet..my colleague who understands HW will make that decision.
However any info and suggestions from somone who has experience mining is greatly appreciated..what to do, what to avoid etc.

Andrew.