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legendary
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---- winter*juvia -----
February 23, 2018, 07:25:54 AM
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How is the riserless stuff working out for you, i had a lot of issues with my D1800's i bought, i couldnt run more than 4x1080ti's without it crawling to a stall half the time causing the miners to hangup constantly, moved all those back over to risers with the high temp glu around the entire socket to reduce movement and future errors... seems to be working just fine to me this way. Also i got rid of running all my risers vertically, and mounted them all horizontal.... since im running water on all the cards now, i built wooden open air cases with slots cut into the wood to screw the risers into, and then use a wooden clamp style setup to secure the cards firmly into the risers... i also moved it so the cards are behind all the other gear, so if i do manage a water leak at one point it would drip on the floor and not on other gear to short it out.

Are you still holding NEO bud?
I have been taking my extra scalps off mined earnings occasionally and buying more NEO, currently im earning about 0.5 Gas a day, so its a nice little passive income as of lately, i sold most of my gas when it hit $85, im so glad i bought in a lot of neo back when it was around $7 like you said... good advice

I have no heat issues with the riserless setups... probably because of the warehouse - tall ceiling and large fans outtake for the warehouses. Also have the dragon blowers during the hot days.

Frankly, all of the converted and new riserless rigs went up smoothly - no hangs - maybe because I am using SMOS Linux.

For rigs that need extra cooling due to small gaps, the Scythe fans were a big help.

NEO is my biggest hold currently - I get a mild stroke every now and then when BTC or ETH tanks :-)
member
Activity: 140
Merit: 11
February 22, 2018, 07:34:32 PM
asdf4321: btw, the hynix one is a modded bios  but even better  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
February 22, 2018, 04:00:48 PM
Are you guys worried about this non'stop GPU's added to mining every day while market is not growing at the same pace?

And about a possibly new Asics?


I sold 5% of my Gpus ( rx 580s ) to capitalize something and while the price is above to what I paid I think it was a good deal

I live in Brazil and I don't have acess to any Asics, my only option is GPU/CPU


Gpu's are better for me. then asics

Growth in gpu's has stalled for now.  since new ones don't sell  as well at 1200 vs 700 in 1080ti case.

Here is an opinion you should sell 15% more of your gpus.  While you can get a premium.

I sold

 12 1070ti's
  9   1070's
  2   1080
 10  1080ti
all my s-9's

I now have 25 1080ti's left

1 btc
5 ltc
.2 bch

and a lot of cash  I will stay in cash for now

I will sell my 1080ti's down to 21  which means 4 left


newbie
Activity: 8
Merit: 0
February 22, 2018, 02:05:20 PM
vg54dett,
Is it this card -   http://  www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=0582294D-5A90-4EF0-B5E1-5EDC1C3ACBE1&lang=eng
I believe they came with 1-only  bios - Hynix H5GC4H24AJR.
What BIOS have you flashed at the moment? for what memory? 
Can you post your UPC?  or may be open a new thread so that we do not spam this one.

I have a friend w/ that card. I've seen hynix(AJR), elpida, and samsung. Whatever they have on hand at the time is what goes into these cards.

@vg54dett
This may or may not help but here's the original vbios' for Sapphire 470 4GB blower (samsung,elpida,hynix(ajr))
https://transfer.sh/ti9bP/Sapphire-470-4GB-blower.7z

edit: thanks tadeus1 for spotting my error
looks like the hynix rom isn't the original. At the time I just did the basic mod for a friend. It looks like the hynix rom is slightly modified with 1500 memory strap copied over 1625/1750/2000 strap. I'd have to get the original from him, but I'm sure this will be fine for now
member
Activity: 140
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February 22, 2018, 01:40:51 PM
vg54dett,
Is it this card -   http://  www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=0582294D-5A90-4EF0-B5E1-5EDC1C3ACBE1&lang=eng
I believe they came with 1-only  bios - Hynix H5GC4H24AJR.
What BIOS have you flashed at the moment? for what memory?  
Can you post your UPC?  or may be open a new thread so that we do not spam this one.
legendary
Activity: 2366
Merit: 1408
February 22, 2018, 01:40:12 PM
Are you guys worried about this non'stop GPU's added to mining every day while market is not growing at the same pace?

And about a possibly new Asics?


I sold 5% of my Gpus ( rx 580s ) to capitalize something and while the price is above to what I paid I think it was a good deal

I live in Brazil and I don't have acess to any Asics, my only option is GPU/CPU
hero member
Activity: 501
Merit: 500
February 22, 2018, 01:25:40 PM
@Romi and @Tadeus
It's a Sapphire rx470 reference, with blower. So, no dual bios, and no way to see inside without removing the blower Sad

After looking at mine, they DO have dual BIOS - though the switch is not real obvious and tiny.





I wish it would be the same for me, but I triple checked and found nothing.
Maybe different batch from yours ?
Would you be kind enough to take a picture ?

Even better: Click for some google search results

Unfortunately not better at all.
I do know how looks like a bios switch, and I cant find any on the sapphire rx470 reference.
But with the precise picture (wich is not in Jared link), we could be sure there are two different kind of rx reference. With and without switch.
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
February 22, 2018, 06:50:34 AM
How are you guys running Onda D1800's keeping your GPUs cool? Unless you use blower style cards they must heat eachother up massively?

evga hybrid run 4 1080ti zero issues

or  3x 1080ti per board

I got mine at

 99 bucks
 37 ram
110 corsair psu
  10 bucks usb

256 for 3 cards  80+


the b250

150
  80
450 corsair ax1500i
  10

690 for 7 cards  90+


sr. member
Activity: 610
Merit: 265
February 22, 2018, 05:56:25 AM
How are you guys running Onda D1800's keeping your GPUs cool? Unless you use blower style cards they must heat eachother up massively?

You could use these server cases for the onda D1800: https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/mining-machine-4u-6xgpu-8xgpu-ethereum_60701257989.html?spm=a2700.details.maylikever.14.27f2606eWDw642

I have the version for onda 8 slot, keeps my 1070ti at 60 degrees, 1080ti around 65-70 degrees. They use delta 3700rpm/150cfm fans.
hero member
Activity: 1274
Merit: 556
February 22, 2018, 05:32:55 AM
How are you guys running Onda D1800's keeping your GPUs cool? Unless you use blower style cards they must heat eachother up massively?
full member
Activity: 322
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February 22, 2018, 03:05:04 AM

How is the riserless stuff working out for you, i had a lot of issues with my D1800's i bought, i couldnt run more than 4x1080ti's without it crawling to a stall half the time causing the miners to hangup constantly, moved all those back over to risers with the high temp glu around the entire socket to reduce movement and future errors... seems to be working just fine to me this way. Also i got rid of running all my risers vertically, and mounted them all horizontal.... since im running water on all the cards now, i built wooden open air cases with slots cut into the wood to screw the risers into, and then use a wooden clamp style setup to secure the cards firmly into the risers... i also moved it so the cards are behind all the other gear, so if i do manage a water leak at one point it would drip on the floor and not on other gear to short it out.

I have the 8 slot ondas running 7x 1080ti or 8x 1070ti minis on windows. It's super slow as molasses when starting Skein on ccminer, the miner starts, but only 2 card runs, then every 30s - 1 minute, another 1 - 2 cards start hashing. It takes up to 4 mins for all 8 cards to be actually hashing after the ccminer window appears. EWBF or DSTM miner starts quickly though.

The cpu is G3930, I think it's just too weak. Since over $5k is in cards, it's best to spend abit more for an i5 and 8gb ram. The alibaba supplier (letine) has the 8 slot onda mobos with built in i7 3855u cpu/4gb ram coming in March, 1.6ghz 2 core 2 thread, but I won't use it for windows lol.


ya, that was the issue i was running into, with me profit switching it was just not working at all for me.. so i went back to risers and just took measures to prevent loose/weak connections errors i had in the pass just hanging them off shelves...

I use to mine a single algo, but after lots and lots of performance logs between similar rigs testing both methods out over nearly a month, profit switching was the clear winner, granted it takes far far far more time to setup the process, because you have to test every card out on every algo, find its stable zone and use clock setting profiles for each algo for each switch.. but IF you setup the process correctly you will net far more, i profit switch direct mined coins mostly on suprnova
sr. member
Activity: 610
Merit: 265
February 22, 2018, 02:32:50 AM

How is the riserless stuff working out for you, i had a lot of issues with my D1800's i bought, i couldnt run more than 4x1080ti's without it crawling to a stall half the time causing the miners to hangup constantly, moved all those back over to risers with the high temp glu around the entire socket to reduce movement and future errors... seems to be working just fine to me this way. Also i got rid of running all my risers vertically, and mounted them all horizontal.... since im running water on all the cards now, i built wooden open air cases with slots cut into the wood to screw the risers into, and then use a wooden clamp style setup to secure the cards firmly into the risers... i also moved it so the cards are behind all the other gear, so if i do manage a water leak at one point it would drip on the floor and not on other gear to short it out.

I have the 8 slot ondas running 7x 1080ti or 8x 1070ti minis on windows. It's super slow as molasses when starting Skein on ccminer, the miner starts, but only 2 card runs, then every 30s - 1 minute, another 1 - 2 cards start hashing. It takes up to 4 mins for all 8 cards to be actually hashing after the ccminer window appears. EWBF or DSTM miner starts quickly though.

The cpu is G3930, I think it's just too weak. Since over $5k is in cards, it's best to spend abit more for an i5 and 8gb ram. The alibaba supplier (letine) has the 8 slot onda mobos with built in i7 3855u cpu/4gb ram coming in March, 1.6ghz 2 core 2 thread, but I won't use it for windows lol.
full member
Activity: 322
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February 22, 2018, 01:44:53 AM
Ah the joy of having 27 nvidia 1080ti's

and only 1 rx560

fuck bios flashing.

Proud to say never did a one.

Agreed 100%

My group's AMD farm was tweaked for ETH (2015-2016) and it was a bloody nightmare that BIOS flashing.

If I could turn back time, I would have used 1060s and 1070s any day.

No BIOS flashing needed, impressive MHs, watts and temps well under controlled.

That premium on NVIDIA cards vs AMD - is worth it.

Apart from Vega cards, all cards acquired since last year were all NVIDIA.

@R0mi - I had to flash over 300 x GPUs (470s, 480s) - it was no picnic.
I also had to do a crash course Linux because the farm went 100% SMOS and ditched Windoze.
Thanks to kind souls out there, I managed to write a script that will flash batches of GPUs at a time, in Linux.

Well, I would like to have such a problem as 300 480's to flash.  :-)

I am old enough to have used DOS.  I like the command line version of ATIFlash.  If you are taking care of one rig at a time, it's not a huge deal.  300 cards?  Yes that would kinda suck.

I sold off every nvidia for more then I paid for it.

Not nasty fuck you markups but markups.

Most cards were purchased with 15000 to 19500 btc coins.

And were sold to 8500 - 11000 coins.


I have almost turned over every air cooled 1080ti

I have two asus
I have two Msi aero
I have two in a pc.

I have one zotac mini may keep this

I have 14 waterblock keeping them

I have three two card omen I will keep them they have 11 months on warranty

I will just hold cash for a while



Phil, something to look into in the future since you have heat issues also...

I have a small aluminum tank in the room of the rigs that i use for filling the system up that leads outside into the ground... friend of mine mentioned i could put a stove fan on it since its so warm for free air mixing, turned out the heat from the water tank alone is able to spin one decently... i bought 4 of them off amazon and they turn 24/7 without use of power.. if i am ever to add radiators to my system, i was thinking of adding some sort of metal brace or something so i can mount those fans so they blow air through the radiator solely off the heat

full member
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February 22, 2018, 01:33:08 AM
nuff GPUs... lets talk Asics.

My group has a sizable Scrypt and X11 ASICS farm hosted overseas.

With dwindling revenues in Scrypt and X11 algos, especially X11, we had to make a decision on what to do with the farm.

The farm is about 70% ROI, consisting of Innosilicon A4s, Bitmain L3+s and D3s.

Total hash power around 11 GHs Scrypt and 350 GHs X11.

Keep or sell off the farm?

Conclusion: Keep the farm alive for special project, as long as the power stays cheap (ie. cheap Canada hydro power)

Special project:

Acquire LTC, ETC, RDD, XVG and VTC for long term.

Using prohashing.com, a Scrypt and X11 multi-algo pool, we portioned a fixed % for these 5 coins (to be auto-exchanged)

There are a number of other coins that prohashing can auto-exchange to, depending on your preference.

Too bad prohashing.com only supports Scrypt and X11 mining.

For more algos & coin pools, MPH is a good choice but it allows only 1 coin type to auto exchange.

you are looking to get some ETC for long term hold?  I like it.  what have you heard with ETC that makes you want to keep long term
VTC seems like it was pretty popular around here at one point.
RDD - i have tlook look into this one.
XVG - was a massive pumper earlier, i have some.  you see a bright future for this one?


I respect your opinion a lot, always like to see why you like certain coins, etc.

This project was meant to repurpose the A4, L3+ and D3+, and accumulate selected long term coins outside of the group's core crypto portfolio - which is currently heavy BTC and cash. The SHA256 farm just hit 3.3PHs in January with last batch of A741s coming online. Meanwhile, AMD GPU farms are mining UBQ and Monero. Baikal and NVIDIA farms mining various algos to BTC and Equihash to BTC via
 Bittrex, NH and MPH, respectively.

That leaves the the Scrypt and X11 farms, currently sluggish in terms of revenue contribution over power consumption, esp the almost worthless D3s unless a miracle happens. SO we decided to keep both farms (since power is still cheap) and use the revenue to auto-exchange to "under-valued" coins that we can hoard for long term like LTC and ETC.

DGB, VTC and XVG (may add ZEN too) are for short-long term cash out to BTC. Currently the coins have occasionally high profitability so we are just taking advantage of that but will exchange for BTC when the time is right. No special love for these coins, just being opportunistic and pure greed :-)

RDD is a "hail-mary" coin where -- one of my group member thinks that it will be the next DOGE. The whitepaper is very impressive, fits well into the tipping-coin ecosystem and we think its a good high risk high return coin. The group member has already about 4M of RDD when it was 24 sats and its now its around 90 sats - simply amazing.

Meanwhile, at the GPU farm... all but 8 rigs (out of 96 GPU rigs) are now fully riserless - based on Onda-D1800s, Colorful B250s and K35, 6 and 8/9 slots mobos. The remaining 8 rigs are on riser 12/13 slot mobos and was a bitch to setup. They are powered by 470s undervolted and super stable. Too lazy to test the Onda-250 v2 for hybrid setup... so I will leave them alone since all 8 are on beast mode without issues  currently.

I would like to take this opportunity to thanks Phil and many group members for helping me out since 2015, from a humble 750MH ETH farm to what it is today. Too many ups and downs in this crypto journey.... you probably need to refer from Phil's first alt coin thread to read them all.

In summary, it was a good couple of years for us miners and let's hope BTC breaks 20k this year. Please ensure when that happens, you have a sizable BTC or coins stash to convert, fully protected by hardware wallets, 100% or near ROI your gears and own none or less power hoggers GPUs or ASICS.

Good luck to us all!

How is the riserless stuff working out for you, i had a lot of issues with my D1800's i bought, i couldnt run more than 4x1080ti's without it crawling to a stall half the time causing the miners to hangup constantly, moved all those back over to risers with the high temp glu around the entire socket to reduce movement and future errors... seems to be working just fine to me this way. Also i got rid of running all my risers vertically, and mounted them all horizontal.... since im running water on all the cards now, i built wooden open air cases with slots cut into the wood to screw the risers into, and then use a wooden clamp style setup to secure the cards firmly into the risers... i also moved it so the cards are behind all the other gear, so if i do manage a water leak at one point it would drip on the floor and not on other gear to short it out.

Are you still holding NEO bud?
I have been taking my extra scalps off mined earnings occasionally and buying more NEO, currently im earning about 0.5 Gas a day, so its a nice little passive income as of lately, i sold most of my gas when it hit $85, im so glad i bought in a lot of neo back when it was around $7 like you said... good advice
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
February 22, 2018, 12:22:03 AM
Ah the joy of having 27 nvidia 1080ti's

and only 1 rx560

fuck bios flashing.

Proud to say never did a one.

Agreed 100%

My group's AMD farm was tweaked for ETH (2015-2016) and it was a bloody nightmare that BIOS flashing.

If I could turn back time, I would have used 1060s and 1070s any day.

No BIOS flashing needed, impressive MHs, watts and temps well under controlled.

That premium on NVIDIA cards vs AMD - is worth it.

Apart from Vega cards, all cards acquired since last year were all NVIDIA.

@R0mi - I had to flash over 300 x GPUs (470s, 480s) - it was no picnic.
I also had to do a crash course Linux because the farm went 100% SMOS and ditched Windoze.
Thanks to kind souls out there, I managed to write a script that will flash batches of GPUs at a time, in Linux.

Well, I would like to have such a problem as 300 480's to flash.  :-)

I am old enough to have used DOS.  I like the command line version of ATIFlash.  If you are taking care of one rig at a time, it's not a huge deal.  300 cards?  Yes that would kinda suck.

I sold off every nvidia for more then I paid for it.

Not nasty fuck you markups but markups.

Most cards were purchased with 15000 to 19500 btc coins.

And were sold to 8500 - 11000 coins.


I have almost turned over every air cooled 1080ti

I have two asus
I have two Msi aero
I have two in a pc.

I have one zotac mini may keep this

I have 14 waterblock keeping them

I have three two card omen I will keep them they have 11 months on warranty

I will just hold cash for a while

full member
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Theranos Coin - IoT + micro-blood arrays = Moon!
February 22, 2018, 12:19:31 AM
Nvidia = trouble free.

I want to do 6 card  1080ti hybrid   only

3 year warranty  I can crank up and down power  almost zero work


these
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-gfx-gtx-1080-ti-liquid-cooled-graphics-card



run smos 


The Corsair maglev fans on those are very nice and they run really well.  I do use SMOS on some rigs and I like it.
legendary
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My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?
February 21, 2018, 11:35:35 PM
im holding out for the new gen of GPU....

This just fell in my lap the other night;  so it should definitely fund the new hardware purchase.

76x   EV SL10-2V...

https://imgur.com/a/gFdPR

nice  a lot of speakers


  is that an old movie house?


https://www.manualslib.com/manual/43897/Electro-Voice-Sl10-2v.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EV-Electro-Voice-SL10-2V-Slanted-Two-Way-Cinema-Surround-Speakers-FREE-Shipping/332204398978?

Yep; can't say which one, but  they were upgrading; and I became the disposal service....  The contractor was originally instructed to destroy the units and throw in the dumpster....  I ended up with many amps and now these speakers by getting in the middle of the process.  I may have the same sort of thing on a 20+ screen location happen as well.  if that's the case, im looking at ~90 more amplifiers and ~250 more speakers........ that being the case we would take out a loan on a warehouse to store them locally.... and be at the flea market every weekend.  Just sell one pair and it was more than worth the trip to try and sell them.   Given the brand/quality,  easy sell for sure.

We already have a guy who came to inspect them so he could talk to his other guy and make a bid on a lot of 36 of em.  We expect him to lowball us to ~50/unit;  but I think we are going to hold out for an absolute low of 120 for bulk (target 160-180), and we are going to be listing and holding onto many to get what we can out of em.

Given the brand and quantity;  should be quite a bit cash.  My business partner is taking his % in speakers for himself;  and the ones that sell through our ebay, he will get a %, but all in all;  pretty much easy $.

Im not gonna count it until I have it, but given how much I am owed by my buddy, and how easy these things will sell;  I'm sure I should be able to deck out 1-2 rigs of new hardware right when it releases.  All I need to do now is get a spotswood frame for my D8P and i'm off to the races.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1080
---- winter*juvia -----
February 21, 2018, 11:21:53 PM
nuff GPUs... lets talk Asics.

My group has a sizable Scrypt and X11 ASICS farm hosted overseas.

With dwindling revenues in Scrypt and X11 algos, especially X11, we had to make a decision on what to do with the farm.

The farm is about 70% ROI, consisting of Innosilicon A4s, Bitmain L3+s and D3s.

Total hash power around 11 GHs Scrypt and 350 GHs X11.

Keep or sell off the farm?

Conclusion: Keep the farm alive for special project, as long as the power stays cheap (ie. cheap Canada hydro power)

Special project:

Acquire LTC, ETC, RDD, XVG and VTC for long term.

Using prohashing.com, a Scrypt and X11 multi-algo pool, we portioned a fixed % for these 5 coins (to be auto-exchanged)

There are a number of other coins that prohashing can auto-exchange to, depending on your preference.

Too bad prohashing.com only supports Scrypt and X11 mining.

For more algos & coin pools, MPH is a good choice but it allows only 1 coin type to auto exchange.

you are looking to get some ETC for long term hold?  I like it.  what have you heard with ETC that makes you want to keep long term
VTC seems like it was pretty popular around here at one point.
RDD - i have tlook look into this one.
XVG - was a massive pumper earlier, i have some.  you see a bright future for this one?


I respect your opinion a lot, always like to see why you like certain coins, etc.

This project was meant to repurpose the A4, L3+ and D3+, and accumulate selected long term coins outside of the group's core crypto portfolio - which is currently heavy BTC and cash. The SHA256 farm just hit 3.3PHs in January with last batch of A741s coming online. Meanwhile, AMD GPU farms are mining UBQ and Monero. Baikal and NVIDIA farms mining various algos to BTC and Equihash to BTC via
 Bittrex, NH and MPH, respectively.

That leaves the the Scrypt and X11 farms, currently sluggish in terms of revenue contribution over power consumption, esp the almost worthless D3s unless a miracle happens. SO we decided to keep both farms (since power is still cheap) and use the revenue to auto-exchange to "under-valued" coins that we can hoard for long term like LTC and ETC.

DGB, VTC and XVG (may add ZEN too) are for short-long term cash out to BTC. Currently the coins have occasionally high profitability so we are just taking advantage of that but will exchange for BTC when the time is right. No special love for these coins, just being opportunistic and pure greed :-)

RDD is a "hail-mary" coin where -- one of my group member thinks that it will be the next DOGE. The whitepaper is very impressive, fits well into the tipping-coin ecosystem and we think its a good high risk high return coin. The group member has already about 4M of RDD when it was 24 sats and its now its around 90 sats - simply amazing.

Meanwhile, at the GPU farm... all but 8 rigs (out of 96 GPU rigs) are now fully riserless - based on Onda-D1800s, Colorful B250s and K35, 6 and 8/9 slots mobos. The remaining 8 rigs are on riser 12/13 slot mobos and was a bitch to setup. They are powered by 470s undervolted and super stable. Too lazy to test the Onda-250 v2 for hybrid setup... so I will leave them alone since all 8 are on beast mode without issues  currently.

I would like to take this opportunity to thanks Phil and many group members for helping me out since 2015, from a humble 750MH ETH farm to what it is today. Too many ups and downs in this crypto journey.... you probably need to refer from Phil's first alt coin thread to read them all.

In summary, it was a good couple of years for us miners and let's hope BTC breaks 20k this year. Please ensure when that happens, you have a sizable BTC or coins stash to convert, fully protected by hardware wallets, 100% or near ROI your gears and own none or less power hoggers GPUs or ASICS.

Good luck to us all!
legendary
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Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
February 21, 2018, 10:21:35 PM
im holding out for the new gen of GPU....

This just fell in my lap the other night;  so it should definitely fund the new hardware purchase.

76x   EV SL10-2V...

https://imgur.com/a/gFdPR

nice  a lot of speakers


  is that an old movie house?


https://www.manualslib.com/manual/43897/Electro-Voice-Sl10-2v.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EV-Electro-Voice-SL10-2V-Slanted-Two-Way-Cinema-Surround-Speakers-FREE-Shipping/332204398978?
legendary
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My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?
February 21, 2018, 10:13:32 PM
im holding out for the new gen of GPU....

This just fell in my lap the other night;  so it should definitely fund the new hardware purchase.

76x   EV SL10-2V...

https://imgur.com/a/gFdPR
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