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February 10, 2018, 01:11:12 AM
900 per 1080 ti is sustainable price if you power is cheap.

3.50 to 4.00 earnings for 1 card using 5kwatts of power.

this breakdown to

3.00-3.50  profit a day per card after power

300 days  = 900 to 1050 back.

cards have 1 year warranty or longer .

So at 900  the price is not terrible

prices will not drop to 700  until cards are earning

under 2 per day.  Simple math dictates it.

I was happy to buy the 2 gaming pc's at 2290.00 each after tax.

They came today  and are making 6.80 using 1.30 in power each  so 5.50 a day  would mean  paid off in 416 days.

I have a 1 year warranty  so I will be fine with them.

best of all I can return them for 45 days so my risk of a crash  does not exist for 44 days after today.



Who's return policy is 45 days? only one i know off hand is best buy's gold or whatever membership tier. Just curious and wanted to know Smiley

best buy elite
but I am with hp.com I got through a member store from my high school job at mc Donald's

these are omen gamers I get a 430 dollar discount  they list for 2606 - 430 = 2176 tax is 7%  = 2327 - 2% for eBay card = 2280    I timed the charge and have 45 days before the money is due.  and hp.com allows returns up to 30 not 45 days.  1 year full warranty.

so 2 were about 4560 they are earning  15 a day using 760 watts which is about 19 kwatts at 10 cents in the winter .  so first 30 days I will have earned 390 net

I am supposed to get 2 x 150 off from retail not  but I am not sure if that will work out.  I will need to fight for that.

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https://www.nicehash.com/miner/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje

Very cool Phil - that is a super nice discount!  I got a few similar "gaming" pc's built on Ryzens but I paid $700 more than you for each, you've got a hell of a deal there for sure - Most of them I added GPU's to, but these last 4 u can see here I ran out of GPU's so they're just running dual GPU's I bought them with in the case - and Ryzen 3 is watercooled 1080 Ti's running hot @ 61c - these cards definitely don't like to be caged in the case Smiley

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February 10, 2018, 12:00:57 AM
900 per 1080 ti is sustainable price if you power is cheap.

3.50 to 4.00 earnings for 1 card using 5kwatts of power.

this breakdown to

3.00-3.50  profit a day per card after power

300 days  = 900 to 1050 back.

cards have 1 year warranty or longer .

So at 900  the price is not terrible

prices will not drop to 700  until cards are earning

under 2 per day.  Simple math dictates it.

I was happy to buy the 2 gaming pc's at 2290.00 each after tax.

They came today  and are making 6.80 using 1.30 in power each  so 5.50 a day  would mean  paid off in 416 days.

I have a 1 year warranty  so I will be fine with them.

best of all I can return them for 45 days so my risk of a crash  does not exist for 44 days after today.



Who's return policy is 45 days? only one i know off hand is best buy's gold or whatever membership tier. Just curious and wanted to know Smiley

best buy elite
but I am with hp.com I got through a member store from my high school job at mc Donald's

these are omen gamers I get a 430 dollar discount  they list for 2606 - 430 = 2176 tax is 7%  = 2327 - 2% for eBay card = 2280    I timed the charge and have 45 days before the money is due.  and hp.com allows returns up to 30 not 45 days.  1 year full warranty.

so 2 were about 4560 they are earning  15 a day using 760 watts which is about 19 kwatts at 10 cents in the winter .  so first 30 days I will have earned 390 net

I am supposed to get 2 x 150 off from retail not  but I am not sure if that will work out.  I will need to fight for that.

worker 1 and 2


https://www.nicehash.com/miner/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje
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February 09, 2018, 09:40:43 PM
I have a single 1050Ti (MSI GAMING X) and it sits at 195 Sol/S with the following settings:



As to the issue with 1050Ti's not reporting power usage, that was deliberately removed by nvidia from their drivers starting several months ago.  The reason being that there is a known issue with the power usage reporting circuitry on the 1050Ti's.
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February 09, 2018, 08:43:41 PM


My Zotac GTX 1050 Ti performed better overall than QuintLeo's. I just sold it, so no more testing is possible, but below are the results from each of the algos I tried, and in each case actual clocks reported by MSI AB are given. The core clock was never stable, so it's an "eyeball average," but mem clock usually was, and I didn't mess with power limit at all because power usage reporting is broken in the 1050 Ti, from what I understand.

Equihash - 190 Sols/s
~1835 core; 3800 mem; dstm 0.5.7

Ethash - 13.4 Mh/s
~1885 core*; 3800 mem; claymore dual 10.5 (* - at that time I had not yet learned that core clock doesn't matter with Ethash)


Power usage is broken in some driver versions, not in others - but setting power limit still seems to work.
The original Nvidia drivers version I was using (373.06 I think) seemed to handle reporting power ok, but the 384.98 version (my current default due to it being required for the 1070 ti) does not for the 1050 ti - I get "ERR" instead of a power used figure.

Your hashrate figures are a bit higher than I saw at any setting out of my EVGA model, but not a lot so.
I'm not sure if you were able to clock core or memory higher as all of my testing was under LINUX and can't compare my figures to your figures on those as I have not taken the time to check to see if nvidia-smi will show actual clock figures (I THINK it's got the option in there somewhere though).



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February 09, 2018, 07:58:24 PM
900 per 1080 ti is sustainable price if you power is cheap.

3.50 to 4.00 earnings for 1 card using 5kwatts of power.

this breakdown to

3.00-3.50  profit a day per card after power

300 days  = 900 to 1050 back.

cards have 1 year warranty or longer .

So at 900  the price is not terrible

prices will not drop to 700  until cards are earning

under 2 per day.  Simple math dictates it.

I was happy to buy the 2 gaming pc's at 2290.00 each after tax.

They came today  and are making 6.80 using 1.30 in power each  so 5.50 a day  would mean  paid off in 416 days.

I have a 1 year warranty  so I will be fine with them.

best of all I can return them for 45 days so my risk of a crash  does not exist for 44 days after today.



Who's return policy is 45 days? only one i know off hand is best buy's gold or whatever membership tier. Just curious and wanted to know Smiley
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February 09, 2018, 07:34:34 PM
900 per 1080 ti is sustainable price if you power is cheap.

3.50 to 4.00 earnings for 1 card using 5kwatts of power.

this breakdown to

3.00-3.50  profit a day per card after power

300 days  = 900 to 1050 back.

cards have 1 year warranty or longer .

So at 900  the price is not terrible

prices will not drop to 700  until cards are earning

under 2 per day.  Simple math dictates it.

I was happy to buy the 2 gaming pc's at 2290.00 each after tax.

They came today  and are making 6.80 using 1.30 in power each  so 5.50 a day  would mean  paid off in 416 days.

I have a 1 year warranty  so I will be fine with them.

best of all I can return them for 45 days so my risk of a crash  does not exist for 44 days after today.

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February 09, 2018, 04:47:11 PM
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someone didn't read the thread
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February 09, 2018, 01:44:20 PM
Lots of cards starting to pop up online second hand!
Still outrageously priced, but i'm sure there will be some bargains soon.
give it a few more weeks, I warned all those fools paying tripple retail price it was a bad idea
few people listened.  The longer this blood bath lasts the worse it gets for idiots who paid $900 for a 1070
and $700 for 580s 🤦🏿‍♂️

Or $1300+ for a GTX 1080 Ti.... I sort of feel bad for them, but mostly for their families in the cases of people maxing out credit cards or taking loans thinking they could get rich quick without taking a peak at how history repeats itself over and over.

I blame all the utubers "How to make $15 a day mining on one gtx 1080 TI!! Print your own monies!"



I am glad I did not buy the expensive GTX 1080Ti. I think I can buy them for below $800 in a few weeks.

Keep dreaming lol... if this last huge drop wasn't enough to kill the GPU gouging market, not sure it will end any time soon... and overall market if already back up about 40% from the bottom a few days ago.  Yes, there is more supply hitting the market now but even the ones that are "only" marked up $100-$150 (newegg & amazon) are gone instantly. The only ones i've seen stick available for more than 1-2 minutes are the $730-ish 1070ti's that came in at B&H. Sorry jokers, Im not paying nearly 50% above retail from a MF'ing retailer lol!  but clearly a lot of people are. Dare I say those cards will never ROI?  Or maybe in 1+ years IF the market really skyrockets again... a lot of ifs.

yeah $550 is my max for a 1070 or 107ti , $350 max for an RX 580 8GB

until prices drop to those levels ill just hold my coins and wait for the next pump

Yeah, my limits are close to your Marvell... in the last 2 weeks I've been lucky to get the following:

- 1 MSI 570 Gaming 8GB ($329 from NewEgg)
- 1 MSI 570 Gaming 4GB ($299 from NewEgg)
- 2 Asus Rog-Strix 1080 A8G Gaming ($540 from my employer's EPP store)
- 4 Asus Rog-Strix 1070ti A8G Gaming ($515 from my employer's EPP store)

Obviously, extremely happy those 6 Asus GTX popped up in my EPP store and at about regular retail to boot!  Probably could have got a few more of the 1070ti's but I wasn't sure what the limit was (we have a self-policing limit, not the mandated limit such as newegg) and by the time I read in the fine print that there is apparently no limit on GPUs, they were gone. Oh well, Im happy to get the 4 i did as I was already running 2 of that model and really loved them!

About a week ago, I also sold off my 3 Vega 56's. Ended up getting about $900 each for them as ebay Buy-it-nows.  So, came pretty close to doubling my money on them. Probably could have got a bit more if I listed them as auctions but didn't want to take that chance for 2 main reasons. #1 is that I listed 1 as an auction the week before and it ended at like $960 but the winner was an f'ing deadbeat buyer, never paid or communicated. In fact, at least half of the bids on that thing were from people with 1 or 0 feedback, which is not what i wanted to see.  The other thing was that this was right in the middle of the big market correction, so I was fearful that demand was going to at least be reduced somewhat for these. Not the case though luckily for me. The first 2 sold within a few hours and the last one took about 12-13. First 2 went to miners and last went to a gamer.

IMO, the miner purchases are downright crazy, but I will take their money lol.  Even now, after the market has recovered to about 50% above it's bottom last week, Cryptonite coins are still way down as far as profitability goes with those Vega's. Monero seems to essentially be mined out now... barely above $1 a day per Vega running at 1900. Electronuem and Sumo are better at close to $3/day but those coins are still fringe IMO.  So basically, at current rates, it will take about 1 year to ROI a $900 Vega, which is exactly why I sold my 3 lol.  Those proceeds almost funded my 6x 1070ti rig lol.








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February 09, 2018, 12:17:29 PM
Lots of cards starting to pop up online second hand!
Still outrageously priced, but i'm sure there will be some bargains soon.
give it a few more weeks, I warned all those fools paying tripple retail price it was a bad idea
few people listened.  The longer this blood bath lasts the worse it gets for idiots who paid $900 for a 1070
and $700 for 580s 🤦🏿‍♂️

Or $1300+ for a GTX 1080 Ti.... I sort of feel bad for them, but mostly for their families in the cases of people maxing out credit cards or taking loans thinking they could get rich quick without taking a peak at how history repeats itself over and over.

I blame all the utubers "How to make $15 a day mining on one gtx 1080 TI!! Print your own monies!"

I am glad I did not buy the expensive GTX 1080Ti. I think I can buy them for below $800 in a few weeks.

Keep dreaming lol... if this last huge drop wasn't enough to kill the GPU gouging market, not sure it will end any time soon... and overall market if already back up about 40% from the bottom a few days ago.  Yes, there is more supply hitting the market now but even the ones that are "only" marked up $100-$150 (newegg & amazon) are gone instantly. The only ones i've seen stick available for more than 1-2 minutes are the $730-ish 1070ti's that came in at B&H. Sorry jokers, Im not paying nearly 50% above retail from a MF'ing retailer lol!  but clearly a lot of people are. Dare I say those cards will never ROI?  Or maybe in 1+ years IF the market really skyrockets again... a lot of ifs.

yeah $550 is my max for a 1070 or 107ti , $350 max for an RX 580 8GB

until prices drop to those levels ill just hold my coins and wait for the next pump

I found  some decent fully built gaming deals.

2 card rx 580  for 1313 plus tax
2 card 1080ti for 2200  plus tax

both have i7 8700
thats still too high for me, plus Im stuck with gaming box ram and cpu etc
Ill wait till volta is released and maybe have some friends pic up some cards locally for me

in your case they don't work.  for some they are an option.

I sold off a few units with 2 1080ti's set in cases and using smos.  I got 2k each

I don't mind  getting 2  for 2200 each   for 200 bucks cost on each I get.

an i7 8700 vs i3 7100
2 new 1080 ti's
windows 10 vs smos
1 tb hdd vs usb stick
8gb ram vs 4gb ram
new 1 year warranty vs 9 month old gear..

if you do the math a 1080ti is still worth more then 900 .  if it earns 4 dollar a day and spends 200 watts  it nets 3.50 a day  x 300 days = 1050 .

So if you buy a gaming rig and net 2100 in 300 days the rig has at least 900 value   so I turn 2200 into 3000 in 10 months .

But that is my model  selling gently used gear at good prices.
Like the s-9's I sold not marked upped like nuts.

BTW still have more s-9s  a two board  and a three board left are left.

the two board has a third board that died in about 1 month of use.

the three board is older works well

yeah you have a good process, for me selling stuff is a pain, plus the parts on those gaming rigs are of no use to me anymore since i have standardized on those 8 gpu onda boards which use smaller ram etc

matter of fact o have a ton of normal mother boards and 8gb ddr4 ram sticks I probably need to start listing on amazon since i cant sell on ebay with no paypal

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February 09, 2018, 12:02:29 PM
What's a good way to monitor 4 rigs that are running Windows 10 mining Zcash at flypool?

I had two of the 4 go down yesterday (restarted apparently) and I didn't notice until today.  Flypool had a beta feature where they'd email you but that doesn't seem to work.

 Put worker names on them, or EthMonitor.


That's what I did, I got ethmonitoring.com and set that up.  Really like it so far.  Thanks!
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February 09, 2018, 11:41:16 AM
Lots of cards starting to pop up online second hand!
Still outrageously priced, but i'm sure there will be some bargains soon.
give it a few more weeks, I warned all those fools paying tripple retail price it was a bad idea
few people listened.  The longer this blood bath lasts the worse it gets for idiots who paid $900 for a 1070
and $700 for 580s 🤦🏿‍♂️

Or $1300+ for a GTX 1080 Ti.... I sort of feel bad for them, but mostly for their families in the cases of people maxing out credit cards or taking loans thinking they could get rich quick without taking a peak at how history repeats itself over and over.

I blame all the utubers "How to make $15 a day mining on one gtx 1080 TI!! Print your own monies!"

I am glad I did not buy the expensive GTX 1080Ti. I think I can buy them for below $800 in a few weeks.

Keep dreaming lol... if this last huge drop wasn't enough to kill the GPU gouging market, not sure it will end any time soon... and overall market if already back up about 40% from the bottom a few days ago.  Yes, there is more supply hitting the market now but even the ones that are "only" marked up $100-$150 (newegg & amazon) are gone instantly. The only ones i've seen stick available for more than 1-2 minutes are the $730-ish 1070ti's that came in at B&H. Sorry jokers, Im not paying nearly 50% above retail from a MF'ing retailer lol!  but clearly a lot of people are. Dare I say those cards will never ROI?  Or maybe in 1+ years IF the market really skyrockets again... a lot of ifs.

yeah $550 is my max for a 1070 or 107ti , $350 max for an RX 580 8GB

until prices drop to those levels ill just hold my coins and wait for the next pump

I found  some decent fully built gaming deals.

2 card rx 580  for 1313 plus tax
2 card 1080ti for 2200  plus tax

both have i7 8700
thats still too high for me, plus Im stuck with gaming box ram and cpu etc
Ill wait till volta is released and maybe have some friends pic up some cards locally for me

in your case they don't work.  for some they are an option.

I sold off a few units with 2 1080ti's set in cases and using smos.  I got 2k each

I don't mind  getting 2  for 2200 each   for 200 bucks cost on each I get.

an i7 8700 vs i3 7100
2 new 1080 ti's
windows 10 vs smos
1 tb hdd vs usb stick
8gb ram vs 4gb ram
new 1 year warranty vs 9 month old gear..

if you do the math a 1080ti is still worth more then 900 .  if it earns 4 dollar a day and spends 200 watts  it nets 3.50 a day  x 300 days = 1050 .

So if you buy a gaming rig and net 2100 in 300 days the rig has at least 900 value   so I turn 2200 into 3000 in 10 months .

But that is my model  selling gently used gear at good prices.
Like the s-9's I sold not marked upped like nuts.

BTW still have more s-9s  a two board  and a three board left are left.

the two board has a third board that died in about 1 month of use.

the three board is older works well

yeah you have a good process, for me selling stuff is a pain, plus the parts on those gaming rigs are of no use to me anymore since i have standardized on those 8 gpu onda boards which use smaller ram etc

matter of fact o have a ton of normal mother boards and 8gb ddr4 ram sticks I probably need to start listing on amazon since i cant sell on ebay with no paypal
legendary
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February 09, 2018, 11:14:32 AM
Lots of cards starting to pop up online second hand!
Still outrageously priced, but i'm sure there will be some bargains soon.
give it a few more weeks, I warned all those fools paying tripple retail price it was a bad idea
few people listened.  The longer this blood bath lasts the worse it gets for idiots who paid $900 for a 1070
and $700 for 580s 🤦🏿‍♂️

Or $1300+ for a GTX 1080 Ti.... I sort of feel bad for them, but mostly for their families in the cases of people maxing out credit cards or taking loans thinking they could get rich quick without taking a peak at how history repeats itself over and over.

I blame all the utubers "How to make $15 a day mining on one gtx 1080 TI!! Print your own monies!"

I am glad I did not buy the expensive GTX 1080Ti. I think I can buy them for below $800 in a few weeks.

Keep dreaming lol... if this last huge drop wasn't enough to kill the GPU gouging market, not sure it will end any time soon... and overall market if already back up about 40% from the bottom a few days ago.  Yes, there is more supply hitting the market now but even the ones that are "only" marked up $100-$150 (newegg & amazon) are gone instantly. The only ones i've seen stick available for more than 1-2 minutes are the $730-ish 1070ti's that came in at B&H. Sorry jokers, Im not paying nearly 50% above retail from a MF'ing retailer lol!  but clearly a lot of people are. Dare I say those cards will never ROI?  Or maybe in 1+ years IF the market really skyrockets again... a lot of ifs.

yeah $550 is my max for a 1070 or 107ti , $350 max for an RX 580 8GB

until prices drop to those levels ill just hold my coins and wait for the next pump

I found  some decent fully built gaming deals.

2 card rx 580  for 1313 plus tax
2 card 1080ti for 2200  plus tax

both have i7 8700
thats still too high for me, plus Im stuck with gaming box ram and cpu etc
Ill wait till volta is released and maybe have some friends pic up some cards locally for me

in your case they don't work.  for some they are an option.

I sold off a few units with 2 1080ti's set in cases and using smos.  I got 2k each

I don't mind  getting 2  for 2200 each   for 200 bucks cost on each I get.

an i7 8700 vs i3 7100
2 new 1080 ti's
windows 10 vs smos
1 tb hdd vs usb stick
8gb ram vs 4gb ram
new 1 year warranty vs 9 month old gear..

if you do the math a 1080ti is still worth more then 900 .  if it earns 4 dollar a day and spends 200 watts  it nets 3.50 a day  x 300 days = 1050 .

So if you buy a gaming rig and net 2100 in 300 days the rig has at least 900 value   so I turn 2200 into 3000 in 10 months .

But that is my model  selling gently used gear at good prices.
Like the s-9's I sold not marked upped like nuts.

BTW still have more s-9s  a two board  and a three board left are left.

the two board has a third board that died in about 1 month of use.

the three board is older works well
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February 09, 2018, 09:58:08 AM
Lots of cards starting to pop up online second hand!
Still outrageously priced, but i'm sure there will be some bargains soon.
give it a few more weeks, I warned all those fools paying tripple retail price it was a bad idea
few people listened.  The longer this blood bath lasts the worse it gets for idiots who paid $900 for a 1070
and $700 for 580s 🤦🏿‍♂️

Or $1300+ for a GTX 1080 Ti.... I sort of feel bad for them, but mostly for their families in the cases of people maxing out credit cards or taking loans thinking they could get rich quick without taking a peak at how history repeats itself over and over.

I blame all the utubers "How to make $15 a day mining on one gtx 1080 TI!! Print your own monies!"

I am glad I did not buy the expensive GTX 1080Ti. I think I can buy them for below $800 in a few weeks.

Keep dreaming lol... if this last huge drop wasn't enough to kill the GPU gouging market, not sure it will end any time soon... and overall market if already back up about 40% from the bottom a few days ago.  Yes, there is more supply hitting the market now but even the ones that are "only" marked up $100-$150 (newegg & amazon) are gone instantly. The only ones i've seen stick available for more than 1-2 minutes are the $730-ish 1070ti's that came in at B&H. Sorry jokers, Im not paying nearly 50% above retail from a MF'ing retailer lol!  but clearly a lot of people are. Dare I say those cards will never ROI?  Or maybe in 1+ years IF the market really skyrockets again... a lot of ifs.

yeah $550 is my max for a 1070 or 107ti , $350 max for an RX 580 8GB

until prices drop to those levels ill just hold my coins and wait for the next pump

I found  some decent fully built gaming deals.

2 card rx 580  for 1313 plus tax
2 card 1080ti for 2200  plus tax

both have i7 8700
thats still too high for me, plus Im stuck with gaming box ram and cpu etc
Ill wait till volta is released and maybe have some friends pic up some cards locally for me
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February 09, 2018, 09:04:19 AM
Got my 1050 and 1050 ti "experiment" cards in today.

 I'm NOT impressed.

 EVGA 1050 single-fan 2GB, EVGA 1050 SC single-fan 2GB, EVGA 1050 ti single fan 4GB.

 ALL of the cards have a hard-coded TDP limit at 52.5 watts, they will not LET you go lower at all - so 70% is the minimum, which doesn't leave a lot of room for tuning.

 Performance on the SC vs the non-SC 1050 models was identical to within measurement limits, EXCEPT the SC model would not allow as high of an overclock.

 On ZEC, the best efficiency was about 2.7 watts on the 1050 ti, 2.5 on the 1050 cards.
 Efficiency was pretty much FLAT between 70% and 80%, then dropped off some a little above that.
 Max hashrate was about 153 on the 1050 cards, 175ish on the 1050 ti, dropping about 25 hash on all 3 at 70% TDP.
...

I always love reading your analysis on GPU's, helped me out a lot with my first 1070ti rig, but always good solid info across the board. sorry those 50ti's weren't too impressive. I've been tempted to test some lower end cards but have been pretty good and sticking to those with 8GB memory for "future proofing". The exception being a couple of MSI 570 4GB , but I am trying to complete that rig with the 8GB versions (have 2 already) when they become available then eventually replace the 4GB ones... so really don't want more than maybe 2-3 max on that 7-8 card rig.  Will get that up and running and well as my 2nd 1070ti rig after the electrician comes out next week and drops my 4 new 20-amp outlets.

My Zotac GTX 1050 Ti performed better overall than QuintLeo's. I just sold it, so no more testing is possible, but below are the results from each of the algos I tried, and in each case actual clocks reported by MSI AB are given. The core clock was never stable, so it's an "eyeball average," but mem clock usually was, and I didn't mess with power limit at all because power usage reporting is broken in the 1050 Ti, from what I understand.

Neoscrypt - 460 kH/s
~1770 core; 3700 mem; ccminer-klaust 8.19

Equihash - 190 Sols/s
~1835 core; 3800 mem; dstm 0.5.7

Ethash - 13.4 Mh/s
~1885 core*; 3800 mem; claymore dual 10.5 (* - at that time I had not yet learned that core clock doesn't matter with Ethash)

Lyra2RE2 - 14.8 Mh/s
~1860 core; 3800 mem; vertminer 1.0

So, by no means an outstanding performer, but I felt it was decent enough at Equihash and Lyra2RE2 that it would be compelling at the original MSRP of $140 or so; at the current retail price of $230US or a used price on eBay of $180+, however, it makes absolutely no sense to own, much less buy new, so I sold it.

But continuing on the, "let's play with cheap cards because buying anything else is madness right now," theme, I've picked up a couple of 2GB RX 560's and have so far just been tinkering with Cryptonight. I've got them up to a very stable 460 H/s each which is pretty respectable if the price is $150 or less. That's about the same hashrate as a Ryzen 5 1600 with a "tweaked-to-within-a-gnat's-hair" xmr-stak.
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February 09, 2018, 08:02:29 AM
Lots of cards starting to pop up online second hand!
Still outrageously priced, but i'm sure there will be some bargains soon.
give it a few more weeks, I warned all those fools paying tripple retail price it was a bad idea
few people listened.  The longer this blood bath lasts the worse it gets for idiots who paid $900 for a 1070
and $700 for 580s 🤦🏿‍♂️

Or $1300+ for a GTX 1080 Ti.... I sort of feel bad for them, but mostly for their families in the cases of people maxing out credit cards or taking loans thinking they could get rich quick without taking a peak at how history repeats itself over and over.

I blame all the utubers "How to make $15 a day mining on one gtx 1080 TI!! Print your own monies!"

I am glad I did not buy the expensive GTX 1080Ti. I think I can buy them for below $800 in a few weeks.

Keep dreaming lol... if this last huge drop wasn't enough to kill the GPU gouging market, not sure it will end any time soon... and overall market if already back up about 40% from the bottom a few days ago.  Yes, there is more supply hitting the market now but even the ones that are "only" marked up $100-$150 (newegg & amazon) are gone instantly. The only ones i've seen stick available for more than 1-2 minutes are the $730-ish 1070ti's that came in at B&H. Sorry jokers, Im not paying nearly 50% above retail from a MF'ing retailer lol!  but clearly a lot of people are. Dare I say those cards will never ROI?  Or maybe in 1+ years IF the market really skyrockets again... a lot of ifs.

yeah $550 is my max for a 1070 or 107ti , $350 max for an RX 580 8GB

until prices drop to those levels ill just hold my coins and wait for the next pump

I found  some decent fully built gaming deals.

2 card rx 580  for 1313 plus tax
2 card 1080ti for 2200  plus tax

both have i7 8700
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February 09, 2018, 01:43:21 AM
Lots of cards starting to pop up online second hand!
Still outrageously priced, but i'm sure there will be some bargains soon.
give it a few more weeks, I warned all those fools paying tripple retail price it was a bad idea
few people listened.  The longer this blood bath lasts the worse it gets for idiots who paid $900 for a 1070
and $700 for 580s 🤦🏿‍♂️

Or $1300+ for a GTX 1080 Ti.... I sort of feel bad for them, but mostly for their families in the cases of people maxing out credit cards or taking loans thinking they could get rich quick without taking a peak at how history repeats itself over and over.

I blame all the utubers "How to make $15 a day mining on one gtx 1080 TI!! Print your own monies!"

I am glad I did not buy the expensive GTX 1080Ti. I think I can buy them for below $800 in a few weeks.

Keep dreaming lol... if this last huge drop wasn't enough to kill the GPU gouging market, not sure it will end any time soon... and overall market if already back up about 40% from the bottom a few days ago.  Yes, there is more supply hitting the market now but even the ones that are "only" marked up $100-$150 (newegg & amazon) are gone instantly. The only ones i've seen stick available for more than 1-2 minutes are the $730-ish 1070ti's that came in at B&H. Sorry jokers, Im not paying nearly 50% above retail from a MF'ing retailer lol!  but clearly a lot of people are. Dare I say those cards will never ROI?  Or maybe in 1+ years IF the market really skyrockets again... a lot of ifs.

yeah $550 is my max for a 1070 or 107ti , $350 max for an RX 580 8GB

until prices drop to those levels ill just hold my coins and wait for the next pump
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February 09, 2018, 12:07:03 AM

That pdu has 4 jacks each one uses c19 to c20 cables.

Each jack can handle 12 amps . But the master circuit is 24 amps.


If your psu are 240 volt and use c19 to c20 you can do four of them . Each one can pull 1350 watts no issue.



So a eight card 1070 rig set to 120 watts a card will pull 1050 watts. Using 4200.
That is 32 1070 set to 80% tdp.

No extension bar limits you to four psus but if you set to 120 watts you are all good

If you push to 135 watts or 90% for each card

It is 1170 a rig.  That is 4680 watts

Stupid question, In both your previous post, your calculation did target 5400Watts almost and why is that so?

I know with a 30A is derated 24A to avoid overloading the socket, hence why people opt for the 240V to create room for the maximum amount of rigs or GPU's. Please kindly clarify any information I might have misunderstood.

So are you implying that I can't use all the available wattage on the 24A PDU, because on a 30A circuit the 24A PDU is derated already to give room for the 80% max load on the circuit. I may be wrong 100%, I'm just trying to learn about as much as a can when it comes to Mining and its best electrical practices.

On a side note, I found a similar PDU with 6 C19 outlet, where each bank of 2 outlet can support up to 13A. Here's the link for the PDU

https://www.ebay.com/p/HP-Power-Distribution-Unit-Module-24a-Intelligent-Modular-PDU-Contr-572203-001/10011378865?iid=272816280678&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D47301%26meid%3D70b29b8d2f644b6f85250c29274cfaff%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D192343684408%26itm%3D272816280678&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

My hopes is to find a way to use almost all the wattage I  an get from the 24A 240V and if that would mean going for a PDU that's 30A 240V but derated to 24A as long as let's me use 23.8A, that would be totally cool. I don't have more that one of that 30A 240V in my apartment, so I'll definitely like to leave as less on the table for waste out of the 24A that's the safety limits.

My PSU's are EVGA, I read in your fifth thread that they'll take either 120 or 240. Also, trying to work out how i can fit the HP or Dell Server PSU in a 4u case rather than standard ATX PSU, suggestions are welcome and needed.  

You are lost .  So here goes.

220 to 242 is the range of most 240 services.
I am being realistic and trying to keep you safe.

I have found running at 23-25 amps causes shut downs. Why simple if you are pulling 23 amps at 240 volts what is your watts?

About 5520.

So what happens if volts sag to 220?  Amps rise to about 25.1. And you pop the master breaker since it is 24 amps.


As for the six plug pdu IIRC. It is a 3 phase and not good for you . I picked one I know will work and I gave you safe settings for it.

Are you looking to set your cards to 100% tdp of 150 watts.

8 per rig = 1200 add 100 is 1300 x 4 is 5200

I would not set this way .

Tell me your cards again and exact make. Model along with how many you have.
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February 08, 2018, 08:38:59 PM
Got my 1050 and 1050 ti "experiment" cards in today.

 I'm NOT impressed.

 EVGA 1050 single-fan 2GB, EVGA 1050 SC single-fan 2GB, EVGA 1050 ti single fan 4GB.

 ALL of the cards have a hard-coded TDP limit at 52.5 watts, they will not LET you go lower at all - so 70% is the minimum, which doesn't leave a lot of room for tuning.

 Performance on the SC vs the non-SC 1050 models was identical to within measurement limits, EXCEPT the SC model would not allow as high of an overclock.

 On ZEC, the best efficiency was about 2.7 watts on the 1050 ti, 2.5 on the 1050 cards.
 Efficiency was pretty much FLAT between 70% and 80%, then dropped off some a little above that.
 Max hashrate was about 153 on the 1050 cards, 175ish on the 1050 ti, dropping about 25 hash on all 3 at 70% TDP.

 No memory setting I tried, from -500 (which CRASHED the ti and the SC) to +500, had ANY noticeable effect on ZEC hashrate at all.
 ALL 3 cards liked as much core overclock as I could feed them, but that was only about +100 on the SC and +200 on the other two cards.

 On a hash/$ basis the 1050 is comparable to any other GTX 10xx card I've worked with, the 1050 ti bit worse than even the 1080 ti - and that's comparing to pricing in October/November before the shortages hit.
 1050 would be a tolerable entry-level ZEC card if your electric cost isn't a factor or you have VERY cheap electric.
 On a hash/watt basis they are VERY POOR.

 On the UP side, none of these models have a 6-pin PCI-E connector, so if you have a MB with a TON of slots like the B250 Mining Expert you could cram a BUNCH of these cards in one rig with a single not-very-large power supply.

 Cooling was fair, but not as good as my bigger cards EXCEPT the blower models, they're a bit better than the ASUS cards and a LOT better than the MSI "Turbo", but they were fairly close on temps to my EVGA 2-fan models.
 They do NOT like being crammed on top of each other with no space though, 52.5 watt was hitting 82C on the one card I tried that way.
 One slot between them empty was tolerable - they MIGHT cool well enough to be viable on the later Onda motherboards.

 The 1050 ti on ETH was pulling a little over 13.3 Mhash - TDP didn't matter, core clock didn't matter, +500 memory clock DID matter (it was mid-12s at stock clocks).
 Card only would use 62-63 watts when TDP was set to 75.
 13.3 Mhash doesn't compare well on hash/watt vs one of my 1070 cards that manages 29 at 90.

 If high-end Polaris pricing was SANE, this card would be a very poor choice for ETH mining on both a hash/watt and a hash/$ basis.
 Ditto vs the 1070 on hash/watt though it would be somewhat close on hash/$.
 At current pricing, it might be TOLERABLE as an entry-level card, with the same "no PCI-E power needed" advantage mentioned above, but I still can't really recommend them other than "you can GET them, better cards are bloody near impossible to get".




I always love reading your analysis on GPU's, helped me out a lot with my first 1070ti rig, but always good solid info across the board. sorry those 50ti's weren't too impressive. I've been tempted to test some lower end cards but have been pretty good and sticking to those with 8GB memory for "future proofing". The exception being a couple of MSI 570 4GB , but I am trying to complete that rig with the 8GB versions (have 2 already) when they become available then eventually replace the 4GB ones... so really don't want more than maybe 2-3 max on that 7-8 card rig.  Will get that up and running and well as my 2nd 1070ti rig after the electrician comes out next week and drops my 4 new 20-amp outlets.
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February 08, 2018, 08:33:32 PM
Lots of cards starting to pop up online second hand!
Still outrageously priced, but i'm sure there will be some bargains soon.
give it a few more weeks, I warned all those fools paying tripple retail price it was a bad idea
few people listened.  The longer this blood bath lasts the worse it gets for idiots who paid $900 for a 1070
and $700 for 580s 🤦🏿‍♂️

Or $1300+ for a GTX 1080 Ti.... I sort of feel bad for them, but mostly for their families in the cases of people maxing out credit cards or taking loans thinking they could get rich quick without taking a peak at how history repeats itself over and over.

I blame all the utubers "How to make $15 a day mining on one gtx 1080 TI!! Print your own monies!"

I am glad I did not buy the expensive GTX 1080Ti. I think I can buy them for below $800 in a few weeks.

Keep dreaming lol... if this last huge drop wasn't enough to kill the GPU gouging market, not sure it will end any time soon... and overall market if already back up about 40% from the bottom a few days ago.  Yes, there is more supply hitting the market now but even the ones that are "only" marked up $100-$150 (newegg & amazon) are gone instantly. The only ones i've seen stick available for more than 1-2 minutes are the $730-ish 1070ti's that came in at B&H. Sorry jokers, Im not paying nearly 50% above retail from a MF'ing retailer lol!  but clearly a lot of people are. Dare I say those cards will never ROI?  Or maybe in 1+ years IF the market really skyrockets again... a lot of ifs.
sr. member
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February 08, 2018, 08:26:48 PM
Lots of cards starting to pop up online second hand!
Still outrageously priced, but i'm sure there will be some bargains soon.
give it a few more weeks, I warned all those fools paying tripple retail price it was a bad idea
few people listened.  The longer this blood bath lasts the worse it gets for idiots who paid $900 for a 1070
and $700 for 580s 🤦🏿‍♂️

Or $1300+ for a GTX 1080 Ti.... I sort of feel bad for them, but mostly for their families in the cases of people maxing out credit cards or taking loans thinking they could get rich quick without taking a peak at how history repeats itself over and over.

Or... wonder if over-priced GPU purchases are the next thing this myopic banks are going to "protect" their customers from by banning their purchase using credit lol!  You know when big biz and governments start banning and restricting things because "they know better", we are all in for some serious troubled times. Bastards... every last one of them!
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