Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: up to 800GH/s - page 19. (Read 29875 times)
Why does hashfast keep ignoring the Overdue Upgrade modules and MPP replys?
I'll ask where the "up to 800GH/s" figure comes from, but it's not a giant leap of faith to assume a board already doing 750GH/s may be
capable of a measly 50GH/s additional hashing power with better firmware/drivers/cooling.
capable of a measly 50GH/s additional hashing power with better firmware/drivers/cooling.
You have absolutely no tangible evidence that this hardware hits 800GH/s. You may believe, or think that it does, but that really isn't worth shit. You've made some BS assumption and now you're trying to capitalize on it. If you can't even hit 800GH using a cherry picked sample in a lab setting under tight control, you know damn well that the average customer isn't either.
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Yoli EVO doesn't use anywhere near 2W/GH. Of course power consumption is a big issue, so I'll have exact figures soon. Spec is 1.1W/GH +/- 20%.
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Now we've improved the board and saying EVO will do up to 800GH, and that's what it's going to do.
Again, HF has presented absolutely no tangible evidence that this is achievable. Sounds like when the ASIC was first tested to 500+ GH... How many BJ owners are getting much above 400GH without it crashing five times a day?
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Unlike some competitors we won't over-hype the specs, then miss both performance and efficiency targets by 20%.
HF already missed their target usage by 20%, what other misleading BS have you got for us today? Oh that's right, that up to 800GH thing. How about they just change that 800 to 750, or is HF so deep into their lies and deceit that they couldn't fathom being honest for a change?Quote
Thanks again for your interest in HashFast's world-record-smashing EVO technology! 
There's no interest. They won't be getting any of my money.
I get the impression that you don't even know if your chip can do 800GH/s with Novec, likely because you've never tried. You're just talking out of your ass. Further, what's the power usage of your new BS boards? Up to 2W/GH if you can't even hit your original 0.65W/GH at 400GH?
I'll ask where the "up to 800GH/s" figure comes from, but it's not a giant leap of faith to assume a board already doing 750GH/s may be capable of a measly 50GH/s additional hashing power with better firmware/drivers/cooling.
Yoli EVO doesn't use anywhere near 2W/GH. Of course power consumption is a big issue, so I'll have exact figures soon. Spec is 1.1W/GH +/- 20%.
HashFast originally said the Golden Nonce would do at least 400GH and that's exactly what it did.
Now we've improved the board and saying EVO will do up to 800GH, and that's what it's going to do.
Unlike some competitors we won't over-hype the specs, then miss both performance and efficiency targets by 20%.
Thanks again for your interest in HashFast's world-record-smashing EVO technology!
hashfast cant even hit a deadline, why do we expect them to hit their "up to" speed's?
instead of developing new boards, why don't you focus on the customers you already have?
it's all false promise, until hashfast can sort out their mess, they can't be taken seriously!
where's batch 2 sierra's? so much for the order chain.
I get the impression that you don't even know if your chip can do 800GH/s with Novec, likely because you've never tried. You're just talking out of your ass. Further, what's the power usage of your new BS boards? Up to 2W/GH if you can't even hit your original 0.65W/GH at 400GH?
I'll ask where the "up to 800GH/s" figure comes from, but it's not a giant leap of faith to assume a board already doing 750GH/s may be capable of a measly 50GH/s additional hashing power with better firmware/drivers/cooling.
Yoli EVO doesn't use anywhere near 2W/GH. Of course power consumption is a big issue, so I'll have exact figures soon. Spec is 1.1W/GH +/- 20%.
HashFast originally said the Golden Nonce would do at least 400GH and that's exactly what it did.
Now we've improved the board and saying EVO will do up to 800GH, and that's what it's going to do.
Unlike some competitors we won't over-hype the specs, then miss both performance and efficiency targets by 20%.
Thanks again for your interest in HashFast's world-record-smashing EVO technology!
Thanks for the feedback.
The "average customer" isn't in the market for $19,000 worth of raw boards intended for assembly into DIY miners, but is still capable of understanding the commonly used common phrase "up to."
And no one (not even your theoretical "average customer") is going to spend $19,000 without bothering to scroll down slightly to finish reading a very short product description.
The "improved cooling" HashFast refers to isn't necessarily immersion, much less liquid nitrogen. Maybe you still think liquid cooling is "exotic" but it's actually been mainstream for several years, and many off-the-shelf kits/components are widely available from several manufacturers at a variety of price/performance points.
The chip is running at 750GH/s. That's a world record! Having a chip that runs 50% faster than the nearest competitor is a big deal, especially given the rapidly rising rate of mining difficulty.
The "average customer" isn't in the market for $19,000 worth of raw boards intended for assembly into DIY miners, but is still capable of understanding the commonly used common phrase "up to."
And no one (not even your theoretical "average customer") is going to spend $19,000 without bothering to scroll down slightly to finish reading a very short product description.
The "improved cooling" HashFast refers to isn't necessarily immersion, much less liquid nitrogen. Maybe you still think liquid cooling is "exotic" but it's actually been mainstream for several years, and many off-the-shelf kits/components are widely available from several manufacturers at a variety of price/performance points.
The chip is running at 750GH/s. That's a world record! Having a chip that runs 50% faster than the nearest competitor is a big deal, especially given the rapidly rising rate of mining difficulty.
Who cares? HF has shown us that we can't trust them. It doesn't matter what you say here, you're untrustworthy. I get the impression that you don't even know if your chip can do 800GH/s with Novec, likely because you've never tried. You're just talking out of your ass. Further, what's the power usage of your new BS boards? Up to 2W/GH if you can't even hit your original 0.65W/GH at 400GH?
How about you assess stop selling pre-orders when you aren't even competent enough to fulfill your previous orders. Why on earth would I give you any money when you've got so much late hardware to deliver when I can go elsewhere and get hardware delivered this week?
DeathAndTaxes i think this is what you wished for. Will you go forward with your immersion cooling project?
The specs are what is called 'below the fold' - you need to scroll down and depending on your monitor size many customers will not even realize it is there.
This is what the average customer sees:
Deceptive. Just because you have been able to push it to 800 for a minute in a lab using liquid nitrogen cooling or something else exotic does not mean you should give customers the impression they will be able to run at that specification. Just be honest with your customers. Don't act like a slimy car salesman.
This is what the average customer sees:
Deceptive. Just because you have been able to push it to 800 for a minute in a lab using liquid nitrogen cooling or something else exotic does not mean you should give customers the impression they will be able to run at that specification. Just be honest with your customers. Don't act like a slimy car salesman.
Thanks for the feedback.
The "average customer" isn't in the market for $19,000 worth of raw boards intended for assembly into DIY miners, but is still capable of understanding the commonly used common phrase "up to."
And no one (not even your theoretical "average customer") is going to spend $19,000 without bothering to scroll down slightly to finish reading a very short product description.
The "improved cooling" HashFast refers to isn't necessarily immersion, much less liquid nitrogen. Maybe you still think liquid cooling is "exotic" but it's actually been mainstream for several years, and many off-the-shelf kits/components are widely available from several manufacturers at a variety of price/performance points.
The chip is running at 750GH/s. That's a world record! Having a chip that runs 50% faster than the nearest competitor is a big deal, especially given the rapidly rising rate of mining difficulty.
The phrase "up to" is an important part of the phrase "up to 800GH/s" and should not be ignored, but rather understood in context.
No one reading the Yoli EVO description will be "deceived" because the product page at
http://hashfast.com/shop/yolievo/
clearly states
No one reading the Yoli EVO description will be "deceived" because the product page at
http://hashfast.com/shop/yolievo/
clearly states
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Maximum Bitcoin Mining Performance: up to 800 GH/s (with a proper cooling system)
Typical Bitcoin Mining Performance: 675 GH/s +/- 20%
Typical Bitcoin Mining Performance: 675 GH/s +/- 20%
Can you show the chip working at 800 GH/s?
Sure, just lend me a tank of Novec.
Since the chip is already doing 750GH/s with liquid cooling, isn't 800GH/s obviously possible given better heat removal?
If I have a CPU that does 4.68 GHz overclocked with liquid cooling, isn't 5 GHz obviously possible given better heat removal?
No, not obviously. Water Chillers (-20 to 20c), Phase Change (Single Stage -40c / Cascade -80c), Dry Ice, and LN2 Evaps, etc. don't really count for the general public. Also, who knows, maybe the chips have a coldbug?
The phrase "up to" is an important part of the phrase "up to 800GH/s" and should not be ignored, but rather understood in context.
No one reading the Yoli EVO description will be "deceived" because the product page at
http://hashfast.com/shop/yolievo/
clearly states
No one reading the Yoli EVO description will be "deceived" because the product page at
http://hashfast.com/shop/yolievo/
clearly states
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Maximum Bitcoin Mining Performance: up to 800 GH/s (with a proper cooling system)
Typical Bitcoin Mining Performance: 675 GH/s +/- 20%
Typical Bitcoin Mining Performance: 675 GH/s +/- 20%
The specs are what is called 'below the fold' - you need to scroll down and depending on your monitor size many customers will not even realize it is there.
This is what the average customer sees:
Deceptive. Just because you have been able to push it to 800 for a minute in a lab using liquid nitrogen cooling or something else exotic does not mean you should give customers the impression they will be able to run at that specification. Just be honest with your customers. Don't act like a slimy car salesman.
750GH/s is more than enough to claim the crown for The World's Fasting Bitcoin Mining ASIC.
750GH/s is at least 50% faster than Cointerra's (less than) "500GH/s" chip!
750GH/s is at least 50% faster than Cointerra's (less than) "500GH/s" chip!
Really, is that what it is all about? Instead of this childish competitor focus, how about focusing on customers for a change?
That said, I can't wait to see how well the new 0.4 firmware/cgminer 4.0.1 platform will do with EVO boards!
You mean the 0.4 firmware we batch #1 BBJet buyers (who got screwed by Hashfast by having 3 month late delivery) are testing for you?
The same Batch #1 BBJet buyers who still have not see any of our MPP ship even though it should have shipped together the BBJets as the MPP was calculated the 1st of Feb 2014?
So you admit the product you shipped us is not ready and we are paying the price (real money in BTC, not some psysological stress)
And your useless customer support who keeps postponing shipping replacement hardware for broken units claiming the new firmware will fix all hardware problems will solve everything?
I wish all the best to any idiot who is stupid enough to buy future products like the EVO and get royally screwed by HashFast
The phrase "up to" is an important part of the phrase "up to 800GH/s" and should not be ignored, but rather understood in context.
No one reading the Yoli EVO description will be "deceived" because the product page at
http://hashfast.com/shop/yolievo/
clearly states
No one reading the Yoli EVO description will be "deceived" because the product page at
http://hashfast.com/shop/yolievo/
clearly states
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Maximum Bitcoin Mining Performance: up to 800 GH/s (with a proper cooling system)
Typical Bitcoin Mining Performance: 675 GH/s +/- 20%
Typical Bitcoin Mining Performance: 675 GH/s +/- 20%
Can you show the chip working at 800 GH/s?
Sure, just lend me a tank of Novec.
Since the chip is already doing 750GH/s with liquid cooling, isn't 800GH/s obviously possible given better heat removal?
The phrase "up to" is an important part of the phrase "up to 800GH/s" and should not be ignored, but rather understood in context.
No one reading the Yoli EVO description will be "deceived" because the product page at
http://hashfast.com/shop/yolievo/
clearly states
No one reading the Yoli EVO description will be "deceived" because the product page at
http://hashfast.com/shop/yolievo/
clearly states
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Maximum Bitcoin Mining Performance: up to 800 GH/s (with a proper cooling system)
Typical Bitcoin Mining Performance: 675 GH/s +/- 20%
Typical Bitcoin Mining Performance: 675 GH/s +/- 20%
Can you show the chip working at 800 GH/s?
I appreciate that you replied to my post, but please understand that if you are advertising 800GH/s you must show it to the public. If you are advertising something that is only possible in a certain special condition then that is false advertising. Your immersion cooling isn't something for the average user (please take note that the "average" bitcoin user is way more advanced than an "average" non-bitcoin person). If you, the creator of this hardware can't show 800GH/s then don't advertise it as 800GH/s. Consider that only less than 1% of your customers have any idea about immersion cooling. THe "average Joe" will take as granted the 800GH/s and buy accordingly.
I shouldn't teach you how to treat your customer base, but for me you are just deceiving people. Instead of advertising 800GH/s you could easily advertise it as 730GH/s plus a special 70GH/s bonus for a special group of people that could do immersion cooling. People would love more the "free" speed than the lack of it.
I shouldn't teach you how to treat your customer base, but for me you are just deceiving people. Instead of advertising 800GH/s you could easily advertise it as 730GH/s plus a special 70GH/s bonus for a special group of people that could do immersion cooling. People would love more the "free" speed than the lack of it.
Thanks for your interest in HashFast's World Record-Breaking Golden Nonce ASIC.
Immersion cooling is only one splashy, high profile way to improve on the EVO board's demonstrated performance.
Bitcoin hardware types will no doubt impress us with with other means of improved cooling. Please don't take something given as a mere off-hand example to be some kind of absolute alternative-excluding gospel.
The phrase "up to" is an important part of the phrase "up to 800GH/s" and should not be ignored, but rather understood in context.
No one reading the Yoli EVO description will be "deceived" because the product page at
http://hashfast.com/shop/yolievo/
clearly states
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Maximum Bitcoin Mining Performance: up to 800 GH/s (with a proper cooling system)
Typical Bitcoin Mining Performance: 675 GH/s +/- 20%
Typical Bitcoin Mining Performance: 675 GH/s +/- 20%
The title says up to 800GH/s and they show 730GH/s.
With better cooling (immersion anyone?) HashFast's Golden Nonce EVO board may get up to 800GH/s. Our test used older versions of firmware/cgminer and liquid cooling, so it obviously only represents a singular proof-of-concept, not maximum performance.
The live demo is currently running at 750GH/s:
http://setup.hashfast.com/rpi/
750GH/s is more than enough to claim the crown for The World's Fasting Bitcoin Mining ASIC.
750GH/s is at least 50% faster than Cointerra's (less than) "500GH/s" chip!
I appreciate that you replied to my post, but please understand that if you are advertising 800GH/s you must show it to the public. If you are advertising something that is only possible in a certain special condition then that is false advertising. Your immersion cooling isn't something for the average user (please take note that the "average" bitcoin user is way more advanced than an "average" non-bitcoin person). If you, the creator of this hardware can't show 800GH/s then don't advertise it as 800GH/s. Consider that only less than 1% of your customers have any idea about immersion cooling. THe "average Joe" will take as granted the 800GH/s and buy accordingly.
I shouldn't teach you how to treat your customer base, but for me you are just deceiving people. Instead of advertising 800GH/s you could easily advertise it as 730GH/s plus a special 70GH/s bonus for a special group of people that could do immersion cooling. People would love more the "free" speed than the lack of it.
If they want to exchange my board for the EVO* then perfect if not ##### them . They did nothing for the customers other than sell them Engineering boards which where almost 3 months late and with issues (boards with faulty chips, boards that overheat , VRM that can't handle the load, etc) to then release their final product. I will only buy when we are not in pre-order@!
EVO is also a brand of Dog Food...happy meal anyone ?
EVO is also a brand of Dog Food...happy meal anyone ?
750GH/s is more than enough to claim the crown for The World's Fasting Bitcoin Mining ASIC.
Congratulations! Any plans for sharing this with the people who funded your progress? I.e. your customers. Overdue Upgrade modules and MPP?
The title says up to 800GH/s and they show 730GH/s.
With better cooling (immersion anyone?) HashFast's Golden Nonce EVO board may get up to 800GH/s. Our test used older versions of firmware/cgminer and liquid cooling, so it obviously only represents a singular proof-of-concept, not maximum performance.
The live demo is currently running at 750GH/s:
http://setup.hashfast.com/rpi/
750GH/s is more than enough to claim the crown for The World's Fasting Bitcoin Mining ASIC.
750GH/s is at least 50% faster than Cointerra's (less than) "500GH/s" chip!
Btw, sure looks like a lot of HW errors on that screencap, lol.
The screencap shows 3.9 million shares accepted, with a tiny 0.17% of that in HW errors. This is perfectly normal; if you aren't getting a trivial number of HW errors you're not pushing the hardware enough.
That said, I can't wait to see how well the new 0.4 firmware/cgminer 4.0.1 platform will do with EVO boards!
this sums it up pretty well:
A customer is someone who hasn't paid them yet.
Someone who HAS paid them is a victim.
Someone who HAS paid them is a victim.
How come HashFast_CL doesn't have a red "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" under their name? What are you people waiting? They are not going to trust-rate themselves, you have to do it.
Fixed.
@HF - I'm willing to revise my feedback once you start treating customers as customers (instead of cattle to be milked) and live up to your promises. (Deliver on time, on spec. Honor MPP commitments). But that time is not now.
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