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Quote from: dopamine on August 14, 2013, 08:35:39 AM

Quote from: jspielberg on August 14, 2013, 08:09:28 AM

If it is 90+ you would be eligible for some kind of vague asic additional hashpower for free!

Hopefully it will be in a usable form, because I have a feeling that feature is going to get a lot of use.

Can u explain?

If u don't break even in 90 days, you get a complimentary chip for each BabyJet you've ordered. Do with that chip whatever you like.

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Quote from: jspielberg on August 14, 2013, 08:09:28 AM

If it is 90+ you would be eligible for some kind of vague asic additional hashpower for free!

Hopefully it will be in a usable form, because I have a feeling that feature is going to get a lot of use.

Can u explain?

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If it is 90+ you would be eligible for some kind of vague asic additional hashpower for free!

Hopefully it will be in a usable form, because I have a feeling that feature is going to get a lot of use.

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Ok thanks, I guess 30 day RIO Wont happen and 90+ days will be the norm

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Quote from: dopamine on August 13, 2013, 11:01:18 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on August 13, 2013, 10:58:55 PM

Quote from: dopamine on August 13, 2013, 10:55:20 PM

cancel my order with Hashfast

I do not understand your point. How would one outperform the other? Not a dick question, i actually want to understand the way you look at the two as being completely different risk profiles.

Liquidity vs Hardware that will have deprecation + Network difficulty + longer time frame to get RIO or none

Haven't you been reading the thread? You can't cancel your order.

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it's possible that either the Babyjet owners might get their units before Icedrill, or vice versa, depending on delivery constraints.

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So uhh... let us know how that hashfast refund goes. I say this because they don't have a refund policy nor can you reverse a btc transaction obviously.

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Quote from: dopamine on August 13, 2013, 11:01:18 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on August 13, 2013, 10:58:55 PM

Quote from: dopamine on August 13, 2013, 10:55:20 PM

cancel my order with Hashfast

I do not understand your point. How would one outperform the other? Not a dick question, i actually want to understand the way you look at the two as being completely different risk profiles.

Liquidity vs Hardware that will have deprecation + Network difficulty + longer time frame to get RIO or none

OK but you only get 75% of the same HR per BTC when you buy the shares, so the value of quick exit is high no? I guess there should be some value of access to more gear though and DR obviously should get preference. But, trying to wrap my head around getting a DC ready to host 500TH in three months when most of the gear you will need has 10 week lead times is not easy. Even if they use the ambient winter air for the first 6 months, you still have a ton of air to move in a set flow. See what I mean? Definitely need something as AM has run its course but ActM is near impossible to model and ID is hard to figure out if you are better buying the rigs since you know you can dispatch the rigs immediately and you get 33% more GH/s per btc and I cannot picture being able to physically get that much power on line in even two-three months.
At least he is not in america where the DEA would breakdown your door with a tank thinking you had a grow op going.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 13, 2013, 10:58:55 PM

Quote from: dopamine on August 13, 2013, 10:55:20 PM

cancel my order with Hashfast

I do not understand your point. How would one outperform the other? Not a dick question, i actually want to understand the way you look at the two as being completely different risk profiles.

Liquidity vs Hardware that will have deprecation + Network difficulty + longer time frame to get RIO or none

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Quote from: dopamine on August 13, 2013, 10:55:20 PM

cancel my order with Hashfast

I do not understand your point. How would one outperform the other? Not a dick question, i actually want to understand the way you look at the two as being completely different risk profiles.

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How do you plan to do that? Or do you mean you haven't paid yet?

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cancel my order with Hashfast

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Cancel your order with who?

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Well Looks like I might need to cancel my order and maybe put the BTC into ICE.Drill looking at the hashrate go up like that kinda feels like even if you get top of line hardware you won't get a breakeven in over 6 months...

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It's obviously not fraud to cancel an order - although it's kind of a dick move.

However OBVIOUSLY we should want the best deal and the lowest risk for the customers, since we are the customers - this applies to HF and all the other ASIC makers. I don't know why anyone would think it would be a good idea to chop off our balls and hand them to them on a silver platter.

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for those of you waiting for the cart to come back up to order, that isn't a good idea. the cart is still down so ppl are calling in on the 800 number and using email.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 13, 2013, 12:08:56 PM

I am tired of reading this tangent. It is polluting this forum.

THIS.

Bitcoinoarama (and all other cypherdoc haters) -- please go find another thread to beat a dead horse about what constitutes fraud when canceling an order (since your condemnation requires the proof of "thought crime" to distinguish itself from otherwise valid use of a cancellation policy, I imagine its going to take another 30 forum pages to "hash" it out).

Following these damn forum threads for new information is a massive chore already. However valid your criticism may be, you're not winning any points by choking this thread with endless bickering and hair-splitting, making the rest of us have to wade through it in search of relevant info.

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I am tired of reading this tangent. It is polluting this forum. I would say more but I started my own thread with my thoughts on this BS raised by bitcoinorama

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2925719

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on August 13, 2013, 11:52:36 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on August 13, 2013, 11:45:42 AM

i think you're wrong. it's not illegal to cancel an order you've not yet received. ppl do it all the time for a variety of reasons. and i happen to think alot of ppl on the forum are going thru the same scenario i have. you're honestly trying to tell them they can't do this?

If the intent to breach contract exists, then yes it is a criminal offence open to prosecution. I posted the legal stance with links, you provided the evidence. I'm obv. not going to report you, i don't particularly care what you as an individual have done, but you are representing a company and must be more careful with your actions, and what you say. Even acknowledging the practice as acceptable is awful, morseo if you encourage it's existence.

Yes, I'm honestly telling people they cannot do this. It's fraud. It's illegal.

well, that's the point. i never intended to breach any contracts. i've walked you thru my entire step by step thought process and timeline as to how my personal journey has evolved regarding these orders. i'll admit that one post could have been worded much better to reflect this but i really was trying to describe what i see happening in the marketplace in aggregate as a result of these cc's. but if you insist on taking the negative approach and hammering me with intentions of malice, i will continue to point to the facts as i've laid out as evidence to the contrary.

if it comes down to it, i can easily verify those order holding dates and lengths of time to prove my innocence of intent.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on August 13, 2013, 11:45:42 AM

i think you're wrong. it's not illegal to cancel an order you've not yet received. ppl do it all the time for a variety of reasons. and i happen to think alot of ppl on the forum are going thru the same scenario i have. you're honestly trying to tell them they can't do this?

If the intent to breach contract exists, then yes it is a criminal offence open to prosecution. I posted the legal stance with links, you provided the evidence. I'm obv. not going to report you, i don't particularly care what you as an individual have done, but you are representing a company and must be more careful with your actions, and what you say. Even acknowledging the practice as acceptable is awful, morseo if you encourage it's existence.

Yes, I'm honestly telling people they cannot do this. It's fraud. It's illegal.

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