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legendary
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November 25, 2016, 03:31:30 PM
The first point in living a moral life is understanding that God exists.

ISIS believe that God exists, are they living a moral life.

Or does this just apply to your God as you obviously have chosen the one and only true God from the thousands that have existed through mankinds history.

Wouldnt it be great if science invented a time machine then proceeded to systemically disprove every major religion that plagues this world.
legendary
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November 25, 2016, 03:28:10 PM
Atheism is poison? Don't you mean Poison are atheists?

dont you religious people know nothing except hate?!  Sad

This is one of the problem. A person become so religious and in some point of his life he will start to hate those who do bad things. But that is not the purpose of the Bible. It is to love God and to love your neighbor. I think they havent finished understanding the true meaning of it.

the problem is that the bible cannot be lived by fully in todays modern world and by selecting a few that can apply to todays world is denying the true word of bible. Do not believe in anything, do not be scared of hell think for yourself and live like a moral being and as a product of million years of evolution that you are.

Jesus died a terrible death on the cross to get rid of the punishment for things done against the law. Hate sin, which is things done against the law.

There wasn't any evolution. Evolution is mathematically impossible. Research it. The first point in living a moral life is understanding that God exists.

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November 25, 2016, 07:17:03 AM
Atheism is poison? Don't you mean Poison are atheists?

dont you religious people know nothing except hate?!  Sad

This is one of the problem. A person become so religious and in some point of his life he will start to hate those who do bad things. But that is not the purpose of the Bible. It is to love God and to love your neighbor. I think they havent finished understanding the true meaning of it.

the problem is that the bible cannot be lived by fully in todays modern world and by selecting a few that can apply to todays world is denying the true word of bible. Do not believe in anything, do not be scared of hell think for yourself and live like a moral being and as a product of million years of evolution that you are.
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November 25, 2016, 04:58:12 AM
Atheism is poison? Don't you mean Poison are atheists?

dont you religious people know nothing except hate?!  Sad

This is one of the problem. A person become so religious and in some point of his life he will start to hate those who do bad things. But that is not the purpose of the Bible. It is to love God and to love your neighbor. I think they havent finished understanding the true meaning of it.
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November 25, 2016, 04:49:52 AM
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Why do you think that I am preaching? Are you not able to understand science, even a little? Don't you realize that all religion revolves around true science? Science is logic, and it comes from observation of what exists. People are healthier when they live the religious life they were designed for. Wake up and look at science. It shows that people are religion-minded creatures.

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Because the definition of "Preach" is: "publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief)".
Remove any context of religion and you could have a decent conversation. But you seem to only be able to discuss your skewed ideas which have been twisted by a religious aspect to become completely irrelevant.

Number 6 in the definition of religion at http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t:
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something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Remove the context of religion, and the conversation would be over almost before it started. If it could exist for a short time without religion, it would be boring and meaningless.

Cool

But all you do is discuss a point of view with religion.... Therefore you are preaching. You have just said to remove the context of religion it would be almost over before it started..... how do you know? all you do is talk a fictional character. I have many Atheist friends and we converse quite well. It is only mindless bigots like yourself who strive to "Preach" your beliefs.

But you amuse me..... you twist and turn different conversations around so they fit "your ideals". Even when the obvious is pointed out to you, you twist and turn. Your GOD says you are stupid and you continue trying to preach your ideals as if you are not stupid. I DO NOT believe you to be stupid, but I like to highlight that you worship someone who does. That in my opinion is quite funny. I enjoy laughing at your deluded sense of reality. 
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November 25, 2016, 04:15:56 AM
I do not believe that can be the relationship between religion and health. It happens so that sick children are born in a family of believers. And atheists live up to 100 years. It all depends on genetics
I agree genetics is very important, but still a lot depends on the timing of seeking medical attention and quality of care. If the person does not go to the doctor, and trying to be treated with prayers, then the chances of recovery it decreases.
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November 25, 2016, 04:15:11 AM
I do not believe that can be the relationship between religion and health. It happens so that sick children are born in a family of believers. And atheists live up to 100 years. It all depends on genetics

BADecker's theory: if one heals from illness it's because he prayed god which healed him, if another gets seriously ill is because he hasn't prayed god.

Don't try to make this bigot use his brain, he has replaced it with a collection of fairy tales.
He sees jesus everywhere...


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November 25, 2016, 04:04:06 AM
I do not believe that can be the relationship between religion and health. It happens so that sick children are born in a family of believers. And atheists live up to 100 years. It all depends on genetics
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November 24, 2016, 09:48:51 PM
Religion and Progress

The greatest obstacle to human progress is not a technological hurdle but the evil inherent in ourselves. Humans have knowledge of good and evil and with this knowledge we often choose evil.

Collectivism exists because it employs aggregated force to limit evil especially the forms of evil linked to physical violence. Collectivism is expensive and inefficient but these inefficiencies are less than the cost of unrestrained individualism. Collectivism aggregates capital for the common good and we are far from outgrowing our need for this.

1.   Prehistory required the aggregation of human capital in the form of young warriors willing to fight to protect the tribe.
2.   The Agricultural Age required physical capital in the form of land ownership and a State to protect the land.
3.   The Industrial Age required the aggregation of monetary capital to fund large fixed capital investments and factories.

A farmer in the agricultural age could achieve some protection from theft and violence by arming himself. He could protect himself against a small hostile groups by forming defensive pacts with neighboring farmers. To defend against large scale organized violence, however, requires an army and thus a state.

In 1651 Thomas Hobbes argued for the merits of centralized monarchy. He believed that only absolute monarchy was capable of suppressing the evils of an unrestrained humanity. He described in graphic wording the consequences of a world without monarchy a condition he called the state of nature.

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In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. - Thomas Hobbes Leviathan

There may well have been a time in human history when the absolute monarchy of Hobbes was the best available government but Hobbs was writing at the end of that era. England had been transformed from a nation almost completely conquered by the Odin worshiping Great Heathen Army of 865 to a country that protected the legal rights of nobles in the Magna Carta of 1215 to a devoutly Christian nation that formalized the rights of judicial review of common citizens in the 1679 Habeas Corpus act. Hobbs had failed to appreciate the growth of moral capital that allowed for superior forms of government with increased freedom.

Our forefathers understood that it is morality and virtue that allows for freedom. A lesson many today have forgotten.

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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Benjamin Franklin

“Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks, no form of government, can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea. If there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men; so that we do not depend upon their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them.” - James Madison

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.” - George Washington

In human interactions we often face a choice between cooperation (reaching a mutually beneficial exchange) and defection (advancement of ourselves to the detriment of our fellow man). The nation state, police, and laws suppress physical violence but do nothing to maintain the morality and virtue that sustain freedom. Collectivism limits some avenues of defection while opening entire new possibilities. New opportunities for defection arise along the entire economic spectrum. Everything from special interest lobbying, to disability scammers, and on a larger scale our entire fiat monetary system are essentially forms of defection allowing the few to profit at the expense of the many. Nation state collectivism has allowed for the creation of great civilizations is in decline as it is entirely unsustainable in its current form.

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"our Western civilization is on its way to perishing. It has many commendable qualities, most of which it has borrowed from the Christian ethic, but it lacks the element of moral wisdom that would give it permanence. Future historians will record that we of the twentieth century had intelligence enough to create a great civilization but not the moral wisdom to preserve it. - A.W. Tozer

The perishing of Western civilization, however, does not mean fragmentation and collapse. Indeed in this instance the opposite appears to be true and collapse looks set to drive us via economic fundamentals and debt into a single world government paradigm for reasons discussed at length elsewhere

The evolution of the social contract is a progressive climb to higher potential energy systems with increased degrees of freedom. The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism advanced into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. It is likely that in the near future republics will be consumed by world government, and perhaps someday world government will someday evolve into decentralized government.

Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity while lowering the number of individuals able to defect. Each iteration increases the sustainable degrees of freedom the system can support. Moral capital is the foundation that allows this progress to occur. For this reason that ethical monotheism is the single greatest contributor to human progress from any source since human culture emerged from the stone ages.

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Nature is amoral. Nature knows nothing of good and evil. In nature there is one rule—survival of the fittest. There is no right, only might. If a creature is weak, kill it. Only human beings could have moral rules such as, "If it is weak, protect it." Only human beings can feel themselves ethically obligated to strangers.
...
Nature allows you to act naturally, i.e., do only what you want you to do, without moral restraints; God does not. Nature lets you act naturally - and it is as natural to kill, rape, and enslave as it is to love.
...
One of the vital elements in the ethical monotheist revolution was its repudiation of nature as god. The evolution of civilization and morality have depended in large part on desanctifying nature.
...
Civilizations that equated gods with nature—a characteristic of all primitive societies—or that worshipped nature did not evolve.
...
Words cannot convey the magnitude of the change wrought by the Bible's introduction into the world of a God who rules the universe morally. - Dennis Prager

The utopia of limited to no government, would only be possible for a population constantly striving at all times to be moral. Such a utopia would require all individuals to always act cooperatively, honesty, and transparently. We lack the required moral fiber for anything like this to work at our current juncture in history.


You are soooo extremely right in this stuff. The only place that may not be entirely accurate, is that archeology is finding that the standard understanding of the hunter gatherer prehistory times never existed that we know of.

Graham Hancock is a sensationalist out to sell books. But more and more archeologists are coming to understand that there was great (if different) technology around back at the times that the hunter gatherers supposedly lived, just like Hancock is proclaiming. Hunter gatherers didn't exist in the way that standard archeology suggests.

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November 24, 2016, 09:20:55 PM
Religion and Progress

The greatest obstacle to human progress is not a technological hurdle but the evil inherent in ourselves. Humans have knowledge of good and evil and with this knowledge we often choose evil.

Collectivism exists because it employs aggregated force to limit evil especially the forms of evil linked to physical violence. Collectivism is expensive and inefficient but these inefficiencies are less than the cost of unrestrained individualism. Collectivism aggregates capital for the common good and we are far from outgrowing our need for this.

1.   Prehistory required the aggregation of human capital in the form of young warriors willing to fight to protect the tribe.
2.   The Agricultural Age required physical capital in the form of land ownership and a State to protect the land.
3.   The Industrial Age required the aggregation of monetary capital to fund large fixed capital investments and factories.

A farmer in the agricultural age could achieve some protection from theft and violence by arming himself. He could protect himself against a small hostile groups by forming defensive pacts with neighboring farmers. To defend against large scale organized violence, however, requires an army and thus a state.

In 1651 Thomas Hobbes argued for the merits of centralized monarchy. He believed that only absolute monarchy was capable of suppressing the evils of an unrestrained humanity. He described in graphic wording the consequences of a world without monarchy a condition he called the state of nature.

Quote
In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. - Thomas Hobbes Leviathan

There may well have been a time in human history when the absolute monarchy of Hobbes was the best available government but Hobbes was writing at the end of that era. England had been transformed from a nation almost completely conquered by the Odin worshiping Great Heathen Army of 865 to a country that protected the legal rights of nobles in the Magna Carta of 1215 to a devoutly Christian nation that formalized the rights of judicial review for common citizens in the 1679 Habeas Corpus act. Hobbes had failed to appreciate the growth of moral capital that allowed for superior forms of government with increased freedom.

Our forefathers understood that it is morality and virtue that allows for freedom a lesson many today have forgotten.

Quote
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Benjamin Franklin

“Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks, no form of government, can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea. If there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men; so that we do not depend upon their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them.” - James Madison

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.” - George Washington

In human interactions we often face a choice between cooperation (reaching a mutually beneficial exchange) and defection (advancement of ourselves to the detriment of our fellow man). The nation state, police, and laws suppress physical violence but do nothing to maintain the morality and virtue that sustain freedom. Collectivism limits some avenues of defection while opening entire new possibilities. New opportunities for defection arise along the entire economic spectrum. Everything from special interest lobbying, to disability scammers, and on a larger scale our entire fiat monetary system are essentially forms of defection allowing the few to profit at the expense of the many. Nation state collectivism has allowed for the creation of great civilizations and yet is entirely unsustainable in its current form.

Quote
"our Western civilization is on its way to perishing. It has many commendable qualities, most of which it has borrowed from the Christian ethic, but it lacks the element of moral wisdom that would give it permanence. Future historians will record that we of the twentieth century had intelligence enough to create a great civilization but not the moral wisdom to preserve it." - A.W. Tozer

The perishing of Western civilization, however, does not mean fragmentation and collapse. Indeed in this instance the opposite appears to be true and collapse looks set to drive us via economic fundamentals and debt into a single world government paradigm for reasons discussed at length elsewhere.

The evolution of the social contract is a progressive climb to higher potential energy systems with increased degrees of freedom. The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism advanced into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. It is likely that in the near future republics will be consumed by world government, and perhaps someday world government will evolve into decentralized government.

Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity while lowering the number of individuals able to defect. Each iteration increases the sustainable degrees of freedom the system can support. Moral capital is the foundation that allows this progress to occur. For this reason ethical monotheism is the single greatest contributor to human progress from any source since human culture emerged from the stone ages.

Quote
"Nature is amoral. Nature knows nothing of good and evil. In nature there is one rule—survival of the fittest. There is no right, only might. If a creature is weak, kill it. Only human beings could have moral rules such as, "If it is weak, protect it." Only human beings can feel themselves ethically obligated to strangers.
...
Nature allows you to act naturally, i.e., do only what you want you to do, without moral restraints; God does not. Nature lets you act naturally - and it is as natural to kill, rape, and enslave as it is to love.
...
One of the vital elements in the ethical monotheist revolution was its repudiation of nature as god. The evolution of civilization and morality have depended in large part on desanctifying nature.
...
Civilizations that equated gods with nature—a characteristic of all primitive societies—or that worshipped nature did not evolve.
...
Words cannot convey the magnitude of the change wrought by the Bible's introduction into the world of a God who rules the universe morally." - Dennis Prager

The utopia of limited to no government would only be possible for a population constantly striving at all times to be moral. Such a utopia would require all individuals to always act cooperatively, honesty, and transparently. We lack the required moral fiber for anything like this to work at our current juncture in history.

See: Freedom and God for more.

legendary
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November 24, 2016, 05:58:30 PM
Also, if there ever is a greater-than-human A.I. it will likely detest religion thoroughly, because to do so is quite logical:  
  
https://youtu.be/VrCTGfeJvxM  

I got distracted by a debate and did not reply to this post of yours from a while back as I had intended.

I enjoyed the video it was clever. However, I entirely disagree with its conclusions. I would argue that the moral dimension the moral challenge is the only one of the many we face currently that will scale in difficulty matching the growth in intellect that occurs following a technological singularity.

You might enjoy the following videos posted by Wilikon on transhumanism. I found them interesting.

Part 1
http://youtu.be/mwh4ShZA5Tg

Part 2
http://youtu.be/pBTCYD2Wax0


My comments on them are below.

Interesting videos I watched them both. Creator of the video is worried about transhumanism which is reasonable and probably why he added the disturbing imagery pictures of hell, video of a man cutting up a monkey brain, the images of the poor cat and monkey who got their brains operated on while they were alive etc.

Essentially the videos lay out the reasons homo sapiens are in danger of extinction caused by our own achievements. Overall it is a solid presentation. It makes a strong case that our fate whatever its outcome is entirely beyond our abilities to alter. Further progress is inevitable. Our very essence will relentlessly push us farther down our current path.

The best quote comes at the end of the second video.

Quote from: Michael Grosso
We may be on the threshold of acquiring godlike capacities... we may reach towards a kind of omniscience we may reach towards a kind of omnipotence... but technology is never going to be able to transform us into divinely loving merciful or compassionate beings. That part the moral dimension... remains a problem remains a choice and in that sense (transhumanism) does not change human history

Transhumanism as described would radically change everything we know, and yet on a fundamental level it would change nothing.
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November 24, 2016, 02:09:13 PM
Religious people can be healthier due to the fact that often the religion forbids alcohol. If they comply, their brain is not destroyed as much as the brain is destroyed people who consume alcohol
legendary
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November 24, 2016, 09:39:57 AM
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Why do you think that I am preaching? Are you not able to understand science, even a little? Don't you realize that all religion revolves around true science? Science is logic, and it comes from observation of what exists. People are healthier when they live the religious life they were designed for. Wake up and look at science. It shows that people are religion-minded creatures.

Cool

Because the definition of "Preach" is: "publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief)".
Remove any context of religion and you could have a decent conversation. But you seem to only be able to discuss your skewed ideas which have been twisted by a religious aspect to become completely irrelevant.

Number 6 in the definition of religion at http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t:
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something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Remove the context of religion, and the conversation would be over almost before it started. If it could exist for a short time without religion, it would be boring and meaningless.

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November 24, 2016, 06:44:13 AM
Religion calls for treatment to address prayer to God. This is nonsense! Let it treated those who calls for it. Who helped prayer? The priests themselves are treated in hospitals and is very expensive.
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November 24, 2016, 04:16:28 AM
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Why do you think that I am preaching? Are you not able to understand science, even a little? Don't you realize that all religion revolves around true science? Science is logic, and it comes from observation of what exists. People are healthier when they live the religious life they were designed for. Wake up and look at science. It shows that people are religion-minded creatures.

Cool

Because the definition of "Preach" is: "publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief)".
Remove any context of religion and you could have a decent conversation. But you seem to only be able to discuss your skewed ideas which have been twisted by a religious aspect to become completely irrelevant.
legendary
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November 23, 2016, 09:14:31 AM
That is a very good tutorials I believed  some christian prefare prayers to hospital when they are sick also in some countries they prefare traditional way of healing for their health needs

A far better approach is to take advantage of modern medicine when you get sick. Medicine is good at managing and mitigating serious illness. If you develop a major medical problem the best person to see is a physician as that will be the person with the best chance of helping you.

Prayer has its place but praying for divine intervention instead of going to the doctor is a lot like praying for divine intervention to stop the flooding caused by a broken pipe. Nothing is impossible but a better outcome will likely result from finding and shutting off the water main.

We are now living in a new technology, nothing is impossible now, kn terms of health, the new technology applies already. Most people now depends on medicine. People now a days prefer to go to doctor first before praying. And the practice of healing prayer now becomes eldom because many of us believe that modern trchnology on healing is what we need. praying and going to doctor for your health can be done simultaneosly.

"People now a days prefer to go to doctor first before praying." they maybe don't prefer but they have to if they don't want that illness to get worse or die, and also it's known to work unlike using words to ask air to help you.

And many doctors will tell you about the miracle healings when people pray, healings that they have no idea why they came about.

Cool

And what about the ones where people pray and nothing happens?

Or..... people don't pray and medical science cures?

Nobody knows that nothing happens.

God listens to all prayer. But if the person doesn't believe in God, the pray isn't the same as it is for those who believe.

In addition, God answers the prayer according to what is really being prayed. Most people don't know what they are really asking for. For example.

A person might pray for a million dollars, but doesn't get it. Why not? His real prayer was for security in life. A million might make him vulnerable to all the con artists out to get his money. So, he is formally asking for just the opposite of what he is really praying for in his heart. Rather, this praying person gets spiritual peace from God instead, because that is what he was really asking for.

Cool

So when poor little altar boys are being raped by priests and they are preying for their god to make it stop..... what does your god say to them?

"No son, bend over and take it.... there is reason I am making this happen"

BADecker you are preaching to people who have awoken and discovered truth. I suggest that you open your mind to truth instead of an imaginary life.

Why do you think that I am preaching? Are you not able to understand science, even a little? Don't you realize that all religion revolves around true science? Science is logic, and it comes from observation of what exists. People are healthier when they live the religious life they were designed for. Wake up and look at science. It shows that people are religion-minded creatures.

Cool
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November 23, 2016, 04:04:43 AM
That is a very good tutorials I believed  some christian prefare prayers to hospital when they are sick also in some countries they prefare traditional way of healing for their health needs

A far better approach is to take advantage of modern medicine when you get sick. Medicine is good at managing and mitigating serious illness. If you develop a major medical problem the best person to see is a physician as that will be the person with the best chance of helping you.

Prayer has its place but praying for divine intervention instead of going to the doctor is a lot like praying for divine intervention to stop the flooding caused by a broken pipe. Nothing is impossible but a better outcome will likely result from finding and shutting off the water main.

We are now living in a new technology, nothing is impossible now, kn terms of health, the new technology applies already. Most people now depends on medicine. People now a days prefer to go to doctor first before praying. And the practice of healing prayer now becomes eldom because many of us believe that modern trchnology on healing is what we need. praying and going to doctor for your health can be done simultaneosly.

"People now a days prefer to go to doctor first before praying." they maybe don't prefer but they have to if they don't want that illness to get worse or die, and also it's known to work unlike using words to ask air to help you.

And many doctors will tell you about the miracle healings when people pray, healings that they have no idea why they came about.

Cool

And what about the ones where people pray and nothing happens?

Or..... people don't pray and medical science cures?

Nobody knows that nothing happens.

God listens to all prayer. But if the person doesn't believe in God, the pray isn't the same as it is for those who believe.

In addition, God answers the prayer according to what is really being prayed. Most people don't know what they are really asking for. For example.

A person might pray for a million dollars, but doesn't get it. Why not? His real prayer was for security in life. A million might make him vulnerable to all the con artists out to get his money. So, he is formally asking for just the opposite of what he is really praying for in his heart. Rather, this praying person gets spiritual peace from God instead, because that is what he was really asking for.

Cool

So when poor little altar boys are being raped by priests and they are preying for their god to make it stop..... what does your god say to them?

"No son, bend over and take it.... there is reason I am making this happen"

BADecker you are preaching to people who have awoken and discovered truth. I suggest that you open your mind to truth instead of an imaginary life.
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November 23, 2016, 02:56:26 AM

As I wrote you in a previous post, my mother died by cancer at 69. She was a believer, she was utterly religious and what you could call an "perfect christian". She attended the mass every sunday, worked for the local church and so on. I'm sure she prayed until her last breath but she eventually died.

I don't want to start a new back-to-back game of replies with you, but I would like to know where your god was when she was praying him to save her life, and what was his plan for her. Eternal afterlife? Jesus salvation? Mhmm...  Undecided

Isn't simpler telling that god doesn't exists, and all you religious people are delusional? Seems way more realistic.

I can relate to this also MiSKLaCH. I lost my father to cancer when he was 64. He too was a believer but he did not regularly attend church. Did his prayers save his life? Obviously not. The best I can hope for is they gave him peace when he needed it.

If your father truly was a believer, God answered his prayers. Your father is praising God in Paradise right now, as he awaits the coming resurrection where he will be reunited with his body, which will be in a glorified state, then.

Come into faith, so that you can have a glorious resurrection, as well. If you don't... oh well. Your dad won't miss you in Heaven. He will be way too busy enjoying the wonders of a God Who is so immensely great that the whole universe is as nothing in His presence.

Cool

Give it a rest would you. You are the very embodiment of everything I dislike about religion.

I can imagine you'll live a long and healthy life though, not because of your faith but purely because your god doesn't even want you in his presence you're so annoying.
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November 23, 2016, 02:10:26 AM
This leads to the fact that if they had not gone to the doctor, they probably would have lived longer. Read the articles at Natural News.

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There are tribal societies in South America and Oceania, which are isolated from the civilization. There is no modern medicine available to these people. Yet, the average life-expectancy is somewhere around 25 years. Compare that to the life expectancy of 85 years in Japan. Still you believe that modern medicine causes a decrease in the life expectancy?
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November 23, 2016, 12:31:41 AM
Nobody knows that nothing happens.

God listens to all prayer. But if the person doesn't believe in God, the pray isn't the same as it is for those who believe.

In addition, God answers the prayer according to what is really being prayed. Most people don't know what they are really asking for. For example.

A person might pray for a million dollars, but doesn't get it. Why not? His real prayer was for security in life. A million might make him vulnerable to all the con artists out to get his money. So, he is formally asking for just the opposite of what he is really praying for in his heart. Rather, this praying person gets spiritual peace from God instead, because that is what he was really asking for.

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As I wrote you in a previous post, my mother died by cancer at 69. She was a believer, she was utterly religious and what you could call an "perfect christian". She attended the mass every sunday, worked for the local church and so on. I'm sure she prayed until her last breath but she eventually died.

I don't want to start a new back-to-back game of replies with you, but I would like to know where your god was when she was praying him to save her life, and what was his plan for her. Eternal afterlife? Jesus salvation? Mhmm...  Undecided

Isn't simpler telling that god doesn't exists, and all you religious people are delusional? Seems way more realistic.

Sorry to hear about your mom. She is probably in Paradise, right now, enjoying God and His wonders, and awaiting the time when she will be reunited with her body in the resurrection. Her body will be changed, then, so that it is like a super body. This will be the same for all other believers when they rise in the resurrection.

Turn to God, or you will miss the joys and glories of Heaven.

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