Topic: Hhampuz using his position on forum to vindicate scams (Read 1343 times)

This is why you will never be a moderator here on forum

You see blood while people are having fun


Goddamn sorry LoyceV, I woke you up from deep sleep.


Are you ok bro? I hope someone didn't mention you just to cause you trouble because with the alarms notification setting you have, you must have a sleep disorder already 

What peculiar conduct from yourself. You seem somewhat deranged but this forum does have a tendency to bring out all sorts of weird characters. Does Don't talk the talk, if you can't walk the walk ring any bells? 

The moment I left neutral feedback on your account stating your reason for creating the "JCLadisav" account was false (as you were now deviating from the purpose the account was created) as you were now posting in unrelated threads, you did not like it.

If you are a genuine member in this community you have every right to question the alleged wrong-doing of any fellow member but in your case there was nothing except nefarious intent. This is my last post in this thread. I already reported it asking for it to be locked, I hope it will be soon.

Agreed

Now OP, lock this please

I didn't really chime in on the subject of this thread until OP's last comment, because it was then that it became obvious he just created this account to stir shit. Its the reason why 99% of such accounts exist. Its not that they have anything interesting to say that is worthy of debate, because if they did, they would have done it from their main account. If anyone negative tags people for bringing up valid concerns - which arguably OP's concern initially was - then I will exclude them from my trust list, and other DT should as well. But that's not what OP actually wanted to do with this account.

Hhampuz is a really nice guy and is accepting of criticism. He's also allowed people to participate in his campaigns who have made crazy false allegations about him before.

I don't see what the problem is with the OP using an alt to make this case, I'm with DireWolfM14 on this. What I also don't see much point in continuing the thread, because what the title says is false to begin with, and from the time the OP created the thread until now, what that statement has done is even lose more strength. Continuing the thread is only going to further piss off the OP, as you can see, and others. So my advice is also to lock it.

And now we see the real reason why OP exists:


Its already been established there's no evidence to suggest Hhampuz's feedback was left as a counter, and it was left on the personal account of a staff, not rollbitdotcom, where Hhampuz hasn't left a feedback. The negative has already been deleted from Rollbit Razer thus negating the premise of your thread, so you should absolutely lock it, unless you have more shit slinging that must be done.


I suggest you consider following your own advice:

I was going to close it but now watching you die slowly motivates me to keep this thread up lol

It hurt when someone you worship is being asked questions publicly. I started the thread to ask Hhampuz a question publicly but now I will keep it open because I want to see you come here everyday and die slowly lmao


@DireWolfM14 We're alts? I will take that as a compliment and move on xD


It's ironic people are questioning me "why" I am using a throwaway account while proving the reason at the same time. It's so that you morons cannot attack my main account, gotcha?

@GxSTxV The question isn't about who supports who, instead opposing anything posted against a casino he works for, without even knowing the case details, as admitted by Hhampuz.

Oh and by the way, @JollyGood, I never said my other account is established kid

But well, I am used to of your incorrect feedbacks to other members so I'll let it be

Im sorry if my previous statement "old known drama" wasn't clear for you. What I meant is that on Bitcointalk we see both new or known casinos often face accusations from newbies almost everyday . And most of these claims are due to breaking rules like creating multiple accounts or losing money while gambling so they start crying here until the casino team clarify things and explain why that user couldn’t withdraw or was banned.
Im certain that those who provide evidence to support their claims regardless of their position newbie to legendary. This is how things have been working on here for a while and everyone gets his right

You, missing the obvious?  Shocking. 

He's suggesting it's me.  Are you happy?

I could be missing the blatantly obvious therefore can you elaborate?

You are right, it is not worthwhile though there could be odd exceptions.

I had a look at some of the topics in the Bitcoin Discussion and noted at the end of several OPs were questions such as "what do you think?" and "what should I do?". Many of those are the sort of topics that been started for purposes other than genuine discussion.

From my little knowledge over here and research I don't think Hhampuz in any way connected to this project owner or in hand to what happened to anyone if the casino refuses to pay their players, I won't categorically say that he is using his rank to oppose flag or opposed any scam accusations but what you should know is that, you don't expect everyone to reason like you or even act like you because you noticed something isn't right all other people should act accordingly to how you viewed. Yes off course, no one would see scam and fully support it but what I noticed is that after he might reason and examine his own point of view and if he noticed no sign or atom of scam to what you see as scam he has the Will power to oppose it.

Btw Hhampuz is partially in direct contact to project he is managing and he might help to chat with those projects if such case is brought to his notice and he looked into it he might decide to directly contact the project owner and if they refused he might decide to pause the campaign in other to abstain himself from a scamming project.

So your own case analysis may or may not be the same as others only if they stands for the truth, and from bpip.org it shows that he is the most trusted manager and I can't in anyway See's Hhampuz to acts according to your wishes.

What old known drama?  I wasn't aware of any issues with Rollbit until I read this thread.  If this is old news, it obviously wasn't known to all of us.

As I've clearly stated in this thread, I have no issues with Hhampuz's review, but I do have issues with all those focusing on the least important aspect of this thread; the status of the OP's account.  Even if the OP lacks confidence in his assertion, I would rather have him create a sockpuppet and bring up a non-issue than to have a potentially damaging issue go unaddressed due to fear of retaliation.

Look at all the members attacking the OP as it is.  Imagine if this were some up-and-coming Sr. Member with good potential.  Do you think these "Legendary" members would leave him alone, or would they continue to harass him for calling out one of our favorite CMs?

It's very easy for a person to create a topic that's got 100 characters about things like:

- "Should I keep buying more bitcoin or hold?"

- "Bitcoin will reach $100,000 by end of the year, analyst says"

- "Microstrategy buys more Bitcoin"

- Topics like these

- And even using AI to generate the OP, which I've seen a few people get away with on the main boards!

So is it worthwhile? No, because the amount of effort being put to create a new topic compared to a new reply is, for most people, negligent.

That's not a problem with the Trust system, it's a user-problem. The only way to "fix" this from within the Trust system would be by removing the Trust score altogether.

I asked why he would use an alt-account to post about this rather than use his real account and he said he did not want to be targeted. Theoretically he is right, of-course he could feel he might be targeted including the (unlikely) risk of being excluded from future campaigns as revenge. That however should be aside from the core complaint.

We do not know which other accounts the OP controls but he is complaining because he sees Hhampuz as being biased towards the projects he promotes. He based that view on the examples he cited. Hhampuz posted in this thread to refute the allegation. Before and subsequently the OP did not receive any support therefore members do not agree with the allegation Hhampuz using his position on forum to vindicate scams

The OP should keep that in mind and maybe lock the thread.

So you don't want to be targeted by others, but you want to target other members aka Hhampuz  
I never liked when members don't have enough balls to use their main account for saying what they want, and any accusations coming from alt accounts chicken is losing any integrity.
I am sure accused manager was not asked to defend any of his clients, but he has full right on his own opinion and he can say whatever he wants.
If I was in manager's place I would never blindly defend any of my clients, but that is just me.

That probably includes you as well, right?
Maybe that is one more reason for using chicken alt account.

There are many meaningless and incorrect details in your accusation. You're accusing a casino of being a scam without any solid evidence yet, and the case you're referring to is still ongoing which means you're making baseless claims and mixing two things in one by pointing everything to Hhampuz I believe you have a personal issue with him.
 If you were confident in your statements you wouldn't use a new account to create the old known drama in this section. Accusations should be based on the complete story and all details to avoid false accusations against casinos or people due newbies stories that been started because of losing some deposits or after account lock due rule violations.

It looks like all the relevant trust ratings have been removed from the casino’s forum account trust page, so I think the issue is closed.

From what I can tell, hhampuz left a trust rating that reflected an actual transaction (actually a series of transactions), that had a real economic benefit to both parties outside of leaving the trust rating. There isn’t any reason why he shouldn’t be able to leave a rating under these circumstances.

I think the situation highlights a problem with the trust system. Too many people are focused on raw trust scores and are ignoring the references and the words behind the ratings. Hhampuz left a rating for an advertising campaign. Anyone considering entrusting the casino with their money should give more weight to ratings regarding the casino honoring withdrawals and paying out appropriately. If, in the future, someone else is considering to run an advertising campaign for the casino, the feedback by hhampuz would be valuable to them.

The owner did commit fraud, but it was related to using stolen identities for the purpose of paying for servers. It is true that they did not cheat their customers, however, got to give credit where its due.


Well not exactly. The operator said they wiped all logs after 7 days. The feds were able to confiscate the BTC in several chips that had already been paid out to purchasers, some of the cashouts were months or even years old...


I would assume the private keys to chips would be included in data to be wiped, but technically it was never clarified.

Anyway, sorry for the OT.

ChipMixer didn't commit fraud nor did they cheat their customers. It was a mixing service that got shutdown and taken offline by the FBI and Interpol. Their service worked exactly as advertised. It allowed anyone to mix their coins: you, me, or hardcore fraudsters. It's partially because it was used to wipe the history from the coins that came from malicious activities that it was taken down. The bigger reason is that no government in the world want you to be private or free.

This is just off-topic here but still, you cannot deny that in some cases the local board participants are more active and engaging and they should not be ignored. Also, I don't think if it will do any good if people started to create new topics purposely when they are not required.



There is a difference between a scam exit and a service being shut down by the government and financial authorities.
Also, the campaign managers have no role in such cases as they are only managing the campaigns of the companies/services which were legit at the time they were running.

Only OP and his main account know.

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Somehow we already know whose alt account OP is, don't we?


Only request I'm going to make: Hhampuz probably should reward new topic starters more. Topics getting many clicks compared to local boards where only few people are active?
Issue is many services are shady. It's only a question of time until we see an exit scam again or fraud operator like ChipMixer. 

I removed the support. Other day it was completely out of mind that I had support to the flag or I would withdraw the support when I removed the tag.

We are still waiting to see the reports from Betnomi victims.

Maybe the OP will decide it is time to lock the thread. He has after all made his point and he has read the replies from Hhampuz. Add to that he has read the replies and opinions of many members (which mostly do not agree with him). It is clear the OP did not get far with momentum of members behind his allegation.

Op, Issues like this usually occur between bettors and the platform they operate, but I haven't heard or seen many users of Robilt accuse the platform of such acts, from experience here, Rolbit has spent 2 years + in the forum and has got a reputation, So Hampuz is talking from the point of having managed and run the Rolbit campaign for a long now without issues of scams, so I see no wrong from Hampuz side, however, I think Hampuz should take the issue to get the Rolbit's management team in the know.

I agree with this, but this is different from what I was talking about. It's ok to rightly tag someone with red paint if that someone is a proven scammer as a warning to other members.

I was talking about actual cases where two users traded physical/digital goods. If I was part of such a trade with you, and I was satisfied, I would let those feelings be known using the feedback system, regardless what your other ratings say. It works the other way as well. You could have 50 positive trades, I am still going to leave you a negative if you scam me and don't fulfill your part of our agreement without thinking what the community will think of me.

If what you stated is true, I would like to read what Hhampuz wrote in those alleged instances and would like to know the context in which he wrote the words. Therefore regarding 1,3 and 4 can you provide links?

If you are claiming Hhampuz has been conducting himself in a wrong manner in the past, why did you not create your alt-account to post about it earlier?

I disagree on this. Feedbacks and reputation are not things that work out in isolation. Many users give negative feedback or positive (but mostly negative) based on the proof presented by others and that's how it should work.

A website appears on the forum and are accused by a lot of users of scamming, if I go through the reference provided and consider it valid, I can also drop a negative feedback.
If I had an isolated positive relationship with them, but see overwhelming cases of violation of user agreement with enough evidence to support it, I will refrain from giving a positive feedback. The user could be farming for positive feedbacks to help them look trustworthy and scam more people.

This does not mean my choice is solely influenced by others but I treat each case uniquely and decide on what action to take, if any.

This...is an interesting case. I've seen flaws in a lot of members on the forum however Hhampuz has never been one of them.

Though, given what I see almost every time to login to bitcointalk - being casinos using shady practices to confiscate funds, rip off players, while paying their promoters, campaign managers, etc. I am unfortunately, not surprised. That does not mean that Hhampuz is guilty for knowingly helping Rollbit despite also knowing malpractice, though something should definitely be done.

Another campaign for BC.Game that is running, is also one that is similar to this case. L0tt0.com on the other hand, is managed by BoXoB who also promoted a casino that ended up scamming for tens/hundreds of millions. I mention both of these cases as there definitely needs to be some sort of refinement of the responsibility that campaign managers have when they are running campaigns. They are, after all, a vehicle of trust and marketing between the casino and players.

If we take into account that the flags reference a post from April 19, and we read the neutral tag he left on May 6, I give even less weight to the flags.

Trust feedback is supposed to show your experience dealing with a person. It shouldn't match what others say and feel about that person. So, if you had a good trade with someone or did some business with them that you feel like sharing, the feedback system is the place to do that. The same is true if your experience was negative. Hhampuz has every right to post a about his positive experience the same way those who believe they were harmed can post about their negative experience. A big mistake people do before leaving feedback is checking who else has posted and what. If it's mostly negative, I am not going to say anything positive and vice versa. That's wrong. It's your experience that matters, regardless what the community thinks of it. 


I don't know how the support looked like the day you created this thread, but "everyone" supporting the flags is simply wrong. They currently have only BitcoinGirl.Club from the DT club that supports them together with a few non-DT members. Regarding Hhampuz's opposition of the flag. If he read and looked at the evidence and didn't agree Rollbit did anything wrong, he is correct by opposing the flag. If he opposed it just based on his previous positive encounters with the casino and its personnel without even looking at the evidence presented, I think he is in the wrong.   

Makes sense. The idea was to have an open discussion without putting my reputation and account at stake. I think I am satisfied with the situation so may be closing the thread soon, allowing 24 hours for anyone who wishes to reply.

Thanks for bringing some sense into the discussion. And no I don't have any experience, good or bad, with 1xbit either but it was purely for explaining the situation.

It's not a problem at all.  As I said, it would be problematic if Hhampuz's review somehow mentioned the accusation or refuted it, but the review makes no mention of the scam accusation.


He's not going to get the details, so forget about it.  If Rollbit was your casino would you disclose sensitive data to some anonymous guy on the internet?  Even if he was responsible for promoting my business, I would protect as much information about my organization as jealously as possible.  Need to know basis, and Hhampuz doesn't need to know shit.  

And, you and I will have to disagree about whether that's interference or not.  Would Hhampuz's review prevent me from red-tagging the account if I felt there was sufficient evidence of scamming?  No, it would not.


That's exactly the right thing to do.  There's no more evidence of a scam than there is of no scam.  His experience with the team behind Rollbit is more significant than anyone else's on this forum, so why would we discount his assessment of their character?  You're jumping to the conclusion that he's trying to protect his client or his income, but I've known Hhampuz for too long to believe he would compromise his ethics in that way.


Lol, some people got their panties in a wad about 1xBit, but I'm not one of them.  Yeah, 1xBit got a lot of bad reviews and you know what they say about smoke and fire, but I've yet to see enough evidence to say that they are definitely scammers.  Their reviews were enough to keep me away.  And don't look to me to justify all the frivolous tagging of 1xBit sig-campaigners that went on around here.  That's JollyGood's job.

I have never questioned Rollbit's authenticity if you read it again. I would be equally against if someone from DT left them a negative feedback without proper reasoning on their part.

Leaving feedback and opposing flags without even knowing the case details, as Hhampuz admitted he isn't aware of the specific case, is a problem.

I will outline the problems here:

1- Hhampuz claims that he doesn't know about the case but left the feedback to the "sub-account" where -ve feedback was given and not the main account.

2- Let's assume suddenly after 2 years, he decided to give a +ve feedback while they are defending an accusation, which he has every right to, why would be giving that to a sub-account and not the main account? This is only possible when he is intending to counter the negative feedback.

3- If Hhampuz isn't aware of the specific case, should he oppose the flag?

4- I've noticed in the past too, Hhampuz has given feedback to people shouting against the casinos he promotes, such as Roobet and Duelbits. I am not saying the feedbacks are wrong or right but as an outside promoter for any business, I don't think he should act as the lawyer and defend everyone who speaks against the casinos, not least without valid reasons.


@DireWolfM14


Now that's the problem. If he does not have details about the case, despite knowing the people behind the scenes, then he shouldn't interfere and let a neutral investigation follow. Opposing the flag without a reason just based on his personal experience is not the right thing to do.

Imagine if I have played and paid (withdraw) by 1xbit, a known scam, should I go and defend everyone speaking against them? Just because I had good experience, doesn't mean everyone gets the same treatment. Letting a neutral investigation happen is what I am asking for, without using his position on the forum to suppress or incite the case.

The review is accurate from his perspective, the timing is irrelevant.  If he had written something excusing the scam accusation that would be different.  

Hhampuz has already stated that in his opinion the accusation is without merit.  He has no evidence to counter the accusation because Rollbit hasn't shared it with him.  It would be a breach of Rollbit's and their client's privacy to share that information with Hhampuz.  Sharing any personal or proprietary information with anyone on this forum (even the campaign manager) would be irresponsible of Rollbit, and likely a violation of their information protection policy.

I can only assume that Hhampuz added his review to the account that was red-tagged to counter the negative review, as you suggest.  However, as long as the review is accurate and pertinent to his interaction with the account I don't see it as a problem.  We're all human, and to me it's not only acceptable, but noble and loyal that he took it upon himself to counter a negative review he felt was based solely on speculation.  This is a client with which he's had years of experience, and his decision to defend their reputation by including himself as "character witness" isn't suspicious to me at all, even if was only to counter the negative review.

I see that you addressed so many people's response to your statement, I'd really appreciate if you can give your opinion regarding mine; that in order for this accusation to be valid, Rollbit themselves has to be proven as a scammer, whereas cases against them are currently mostly solved.

@DireWolfM14 Thank you for making sense. People asking why I am using a throwaway account is exactly the reason I had to use it

Let's address some questions

@JollyGood


This doesn't make sense, neither am I making a complaint. I see something wrong happening on the forum and I created a thread about it. Discuss the problem mentioned, not the accounts and stats, those don't matter to me.

Even the staff members are involved in cheating giveaways, so the profiles and stars only last until you get caught and don't hold any value.


@yahoo62278


They can share with the trusted members of the forum, in this case Hhampuz and they can confirm the player was at fault. Believing what the casino says is just as wrong as believing what the players says. Either trust both or none.


@Despairo


The timing is the problem, not the feedback. He has worked with them since 2021 but ONLY left feedback after the -ve which is clearly to counter the negative and the neutral feedbacks.

If he sees that accusations are being made against a company he works with, he should ask for more details rather than skipping everything and giving out +ve feedbacks and countering the flags (without any explanation)


@LoyceV

Sorry, I was not aware you have high-volume sirens ringing around when someone mentions your name or messages you on the forum.

The discussion isn't about whether the player is right or the casino. It's about blindly supporting or opposing any party without ever commenting on the thread. I don't remember hhampuz ever replied on the scam accusation or flag threads.


@Learn Bitcoin


The fact you have to clarify your stance is the reason I used throwaway account

@JollyGood


If you are not ready to discuss a matter just because it's involving/accusing a reputed member, then please stay away from the thread. You can give him a fe more +ve feedbacks instead. I don't worship people.



@Hhampuz

Thank you for speaking up and making more sense than people worshipping you.


Great. Can you explain how you only left a feedback 2 weeks after the -ve (and neutral) feedback? Because to talk about it, you are working for them for 2 years and the account you gave feedback isn't even their main account.

If you were to give feedback without considering the -ve feedback, it would be to the Rollbit's main profile. No?


@albon


Are you ok? This is exactly what I am also saying lol. He should promote something but not defend them just because he is promoting them. It's called conflict of interest. You are staying in his campaign don't worry


@Hhampuz


So you are saying you never had any discussion with them about the scam accusations and flags crated against them?

If you know the case and you are defending them, you should have at least asked them some details

And quite hilarious how you gave them counter +ve feedback, defended the flags ALONE, but never even cared to discuss them about it

It's a difference of opinion @BitcoinGirl.Club, you think they should cuddle the users who come here to bitcointalk by giving you and other members here access to see what's going on behind the scenes. There's nothing they could do other than show you exactly what the user did which then means they open themselves up to more abuse. We'll just have to agree to disagree and I'll never operate on "what if's", with the information I have here and now there are no signs that Rollbit are or will scam their users.

And just for the record, I never ask my clients for any proof of how they find cheaters, nor do they share it with me on their own initiative. Besides that the people that handle these cases are rarely the same people that handle marketing.

Again, you will look at it one way which a lot of users here do, maybe many of you have had bad experiences with gambling sites and that's why you have some preconceived idea and jump straight to conclusions whenever a user comes here with an allegation.

When the negative was left at that time if you read the feedback then you will see there were lack of taking care of the accusations, not providing convincing explanations, denying payments. Even when they were asked they were repeating inconvincing/unrelated response.

Let's see an example:

So when you are requested to collaborate to clear an accusation but in response you continue response like this which do not have any evidence to support you, how many times you think you will feel ok [!] everything is good?

The reason I removed the negative feedback is because from holydarkness collections on his last post I see the accusations are reducing, it looks like they are solving accusations. If it was left the same like it was before when the feedback was given then you would not see I changed the mind. Your vouch worked to remove any other doubts too that was still left.

The feedback seemed wrongful to you because you saw evidence [I trust that they indeed showed you evidence] but it was not wrongful to everyone else [public domain] of us because there were nothing that were shown to us, nothing given to us to feel comfortable that Rollbit is in the right road.

Anyway, I think you are giving too much to them. Rollbit really needs to improve their forum relation, it's not something you can fix for them. Just because spending money in advertising does not mean anything about them will be overlooked. This time you took the matter in your hand. Would you do the same next time too or even 3rd time? I don't think it will be a good idea. So ask them to improve. If they don't then don't trust but verify will become obvious otherwise.

Don't misunderstand me, I am on your side. I assume you are aware of Betnomi right now. Imagine [keep it in imagination only] if any such thing happen with Rollbit tomorrow or in the very near future, don't you think you will be questioned before anyone else? Don't give too much to one project. You have many projects to take care and forum needs members like you.

If I believe that the case was wrong and Rollbit is not to blame for this user being banned or their funds being confiscated, I have to believe that any negative tag left on the Rollbit account regarding this case is wrong. Again, it's my interpretation of this case, and your opinion on the matter. I do not believe that Rollbit did anything wrong (from what has been shown as evidence).

No question. I believe you. My speculation was wrong. We are good. Coincidental timing between two feedback [F**k I removed it even before making the last post] accepted.

But wrongful negative tag? You sure it was wrongfully given. Even after my TED report? You are not able to see a case against Rollbit or any company where you are working like the way I will see. I have no interest [receive personal benefit] where you have benefits.

@BitcoinGirl.club I'll bet you any amount or reputation on nobody from Rollbit asking me to to anything about any accusations, trust or flags.

I have sometimes been asked by other clients what they can do and I always tell them to ignore it.

My conversations with any Rollbit staff has been the following for the longest time:
-hey, the wallet is running low could you top it up when you have time?
-I've topped up 4 weeks for you, have a great rest of your week!

Done. I have been the one asking them about some cases from time to time, maybe telling them they should reply or otherwise but we've never discussed discourse or anything of the kind. The fact that you of all people would even question me on that or for a second believe that's who I am makes me more glad the coincidental positive was left after your wrongful negative tag.

Your TED talk report was read very carefully and I have no problem trusting your opinion on any matter. You earned it from the years of dedication from the profession.

But in this specific matter please help me to believe that you were not asked by your employer to do something about it. I can not know what talk you had in between you and your employer but I can speculate, I could be totally wrong in my speculation.

I was closely following some of the cases against Rollbit at that time, I think in a few occasions I PMed their PR and requested to resolve things, I was just helping them to clean the accusations. I know when a business invest in the forum, it benefits the forum ecosystem, it helps bitcointalk forum to grow and become stronger. So when I find any negative vibration against any establish business, I always try to give them benefit of the doubt and try to keep them out of dart as much as I can but when something become too obvious and looks too odd which become hard to convince myself then I do things that I don't want to do. The forum is first after all.

My speculation, you saw the negative feedback I left, you were not completely sure what to do. On the other hand, you needed to make things easier too. So your immediate action was to leave a feedback of your experience with Rollbit over the years of relationship you had.

I don't disagree with the feedback you left, sure you are working for them for long two years, without having a good relationship with them, you could not continue the campaign. So your feedback is absolutely correct. But what absolutely wrong about this feedback was, it came just after a feedback that was left there to make others aware that Rollbit is not taking proper care of the accusations coming against them, they deny the payment, don't even give a good explanation. It happened in several occasions if I remember correctly or I would not even think about leaving the negative feedback.



Thank you. You are always helpful with information and update. I must give another benefit of doubt since I see there are not many new cases are made against Rollbit.

JollyGood, I am thinking of a promotion to collect all the good talks you give about me whenever you have a chance and reward some btc to the collectors. May be you start a reverse engineering tactic to empty my wallet. 15,555 posts [huge, huge contribution, unbelievable, If 1 Ratimov = 1000 Bitcoingirl then it looks like 1 JollyGood = 1200 Bitcoingirl. I am nobody and PROVED] made so far. You understand what I mean? This will be your chance to make me homeless.

@theymos, can I change my nick to Mr. Nobody please 🙄

That was literally the first thing the OP addressed.


What are you doing now?


Is there an echo in here?

Why do you guys care if the OP used a throwaway account?  The issue brought up by the OP was a good one.  He had a concern, asked the question, and got the answer from the community.  I'm not defending the OP, HH's review is perfectly justified, in my opinion.  This thread was valuable until about post 17, so now it's just going to be filled with spammers attacking the OP's choice to use an alt?  Don't you guys have better things to do?

Really, it's as if you guys are on que, making the case for the OP's choice and his first comment.

The issue here isn't that the OP used an alt (which was smart for obvious reasons,) but whether HH's review was unjustified, and whether Rollbit is scamming it's clients.  The status of the account who brought up the issue is meaningless.

Thank you for the summary, it pretty much summed things up --to an extent-- of the entire case of Rollbit v. Stakemeharder. However, you missed a point where Razer did gave a reply, though indirectly. Rollbit and Razer did not let the case hang dry. He replied to my PM for the case and which they agreed to solve it through a platform where they can freely provide evidences without having a concern of accidentally revealing their security secrets and detection techniques. And the platform that they recommended is the highest one: their very own licensor. As per the PM of I have the permission to share to public,

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Now, to address OP's allegation that Hhampuz use his position to vindicate scam, where the content of the thread refers to Rollbit, which implies the scam being referred on the title is Rollbit, with scam accusations against Rollbit as the basis of the argument. I wrote a nice list about it that happened and piled during Razer's short hiatus:


If I may tweak that list according to the latet update, case number 1 might as good as closed given the OP of that case never say anything anymore, so most likely they tried to abuse and found that they can't win [I'll level with you that I barely remember the case], and case number 2... of which mentioned above as Rollbit v. Stakemeharder, I made an error by referring them to CEG instead of GC, but everything is back on track. Stakemeharder had submitted his complaint and most likely GC [GamingCuracao, not CG, CasinoGuru] is in the middle of it.

And if I may add case number 7, Rollbit Stealing $10k from me, or we can probably refer it to Rollbit v. goodboyshams to avoid confusion as the amount is quite similar, Razer has also gave their stance for it, again, through my exchange of PM with him,


"Bottomline", "what I tried to say", "tl;dr:", "in short", whatever this next sentence serves: IMO this thread is somewhat baseless. To accuse Hhampuz of vindicating a scammer --in this case, Rollbit-- by leaving positive feedback to "counter" the negatives, the scammer themselves need to be proven as a scammer, thus the accusation/statement/question will have its weight, while what happens here is the opposite. Rollbit tackles the accusations against them in their best capacity without having to jeopardize their system. And when they can't, they'll redirect the complainant to their master license holder.

Will the last two cases rule in favor to the accuser or will it rule in favor to Rollbit is yet to be reached. But so far, evidences suggested that Rollbit did not scam their customer by confiscating funds without strong basis, thus, an idea that they're a scammer is yet to have a final say. And thus, an idea that Hhampuz use his position to vindicate scams [Rollbit] is also yet to have a final say. Thus, ultimately, baseless. Or, at the very least, premature.

Might be wise to mention here, though it's probably useless, that the trust system did not work like how it used to be. One Neg and one Pos does not negate each other, they still shows as a separate score.

Oh, and before anyone accuse me of siding with Rollbit --or Hhampuz, although that one is quite far fetched-- I think anyone who frequently visit scam accusations board will notice I haunt that board on daily basis to a point that probably Cyrus got bored of seeing me [LOL]. I tried my best to mediate disputes at best of my capacity there. When a user proven to be cheated, I'll agree with it, and when the opposite thing happen where a user tried to manipulate "The Neutrals" by driving certain narrative --if I may borrow yahoo's words, "the accuser usually isn't sharing the whole story. They're sharing the part that makes them look like they were scammed."-- I'll make it clear too.

Why don't you come up with your real account and tell all these things. If you believe that you are saying the correct thing, trust me no one can harm you. Hiding behind a newbie account doesn't help your arguement any good.


Aren't you doing the same thing ? Hiding your main account which may in Hhampuz campaign already or even if it is not currently, you fear that Hhampuz  won't take you in campiagns in future  

Define "targeted by others"

This thread is titled: Hhampuz using his position on forum to vindicate scams therefore where is the vindication?

If you can provide evidence of your particular claim you should be open about it and use your real forum name. If you have no claim at all and are simply a spectator that seems to think Hhampuz is behaving inappropriately then you have made your point, others have read it.

Until or unless you are prepared to use your real forum name to make a complaint you are doing a disservice to the community therefore you should lock this thread.

And what moral authority does that one member provide to your allegation? It is one member that you singled out from thousands and used him as an example of behaving positively/fairly but how does it bring any credibility to your claim from that one member? He is literally a nobody with no moral authority in the forum therefore what type of elevated status are you personally granting him?

What you are implying is that if members wearing a signature managed by Hhampuz post here, you will say their posts are fair/unbiased if they support you and any that oppose your claim will be dismissed because of alleged allegiance to the campaign manager. Do you realise how ridiculous you are sounding?

Imagine if you were enrolled on one of his signature campaigns, that would be highly embarrassing for you. Maybe that is why you are not using your real member account.

Gambling section in bitcoin forum is still fine because Hhampuz is there. If anyone complains against Hhampuz manager it will be a lie. Because Hhampuz exists, hundreds of users of Bitcoin Forums are still earning from Bitcoin Forums by promoting their signatures. Hhampuz manager has been termed as an ideal idolman of bitcoin forum. Please refrain from making defamatory allegations against him.
Hhampuz has never promoted a scam project and never will.@OP Thank you very much for bringing out a certain piece of virtues Hhampuz sir.

He's a degen, as most gamblers are, and while gaining profits he could have lost it all on a bad bet or just straight through the slot machines. You can definitely take advantage of a system and not be in profit, I've seen it myself.

This is quite clever of you and does you credit. But from what you say I have a doubt.


How was he supposed to take advantage of the system without profiting from it? I believe that this hypothesis is unrealistic.

And why didn't you @OP login into your main account instead of this Newbie account you created today? I assume that you participated in one of Hhampuz's signature campaigns before, and you had no luck working with him, so you made up this drama.

Indeed, the following proverb, "Stones are thrown only at fruit-bearing trees." applies to the fact that you are discrediting a person who is one of the most trusted members of the forum and has worked for many years with many legitimate projects and casinos that have become famous and have reached their promotional goal through him.

Hhampuz's job is to run & manage campaigns for which he works as a promoter and through which many hunters work in promoting a project or a casino. To be fair, I have seen for many years that he chooses his clients carefully. This manager did not gain this wide reputation overnight, and if the client who hired him had already paid him his job and the hunter's dues for many years without any issues, then why did he not write positive feedback as a result of this?

Aside from the Rollbit issue, has Hhampuz forced any member here to play at any casino whatsoever that was promoted? Hhampuz is not a third party between the player, the casino, or one of the casino teams. As mentioned, his job is to promote only. It is the responsibility of any member or player to do his own research. It is unfortunate that any member violates the policies of any casino because he did not read the terms of use well or he used one of the crooked methods that led to his account being banned. He comes and publishes false scam accusations and accuses Hhampuz of vindicating scams!!!

No clients of mine would ever ask me to intervene in a case or give them positive feedback/support or oppose a flag from a position of power or legitimacy. I rarely even discuss these cases with my clients as I give my opinion on the matter to them in private if/when that happens. I'm not on DT1 and I've never asked to be put in these situations, at the end of the day I'm just a user like many of you, with my own opinions and thoughts on what's going on here.

For this particular case, my personal belief is that this user took advantage of a system and came out ahead of it (profit). He then got called out for it by Rollbit and subsequently banned with any remaining funds confiscated. I do not see a problem with this. Had this user not been in profit, I would probably argue otherwise and give Rollbit some sort of ultimatums to get it solved. It's a matter of opinion. Some of you guys around here are extremely naive and have absolutely no idea what it takes to run a business. You can have all of your wishful thinking and your own opinions, which you are entitled to, but I am a firm believer in trusting businesses that deal in extreme volumes over single case users on this forum. I also am a firm believer in the service not having to share full details of what abuse any user has committed as that would only open the door for more abuse. It's actually quite simple - don't be an asshat and don't try and take advantage of these services and you will in 99.9% of cases never face any issues. Obviously the service can be wrong sometimes too, but most often it gets resolved quickly when that happens.

I have had accounts on all gambling sites I promote without letting the client know that it's me, with major deposits/withdraws and thorough testing over long periods of time and I never face any issues. I've even been nasty to support reps just to see what would happen and never do they treat me wrong.

So, if you are of the opinion that I'm in a position of power where I can silence users who have legitimately been scammed by a service that I run a campaign for - by all means ~Hhampuz. My feelings about this, and the smaller "clique" of users who love to farm drama and bad scam accusations will likely not change.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

Trust feedback is meant for expressing your experience towards a service or user. It’s main use is to give feedback on a deal done between two parties involved. Trust feedback was originally dedicated for the marketplace so that use will have an idea on what’s they will experience when trading on specific user.

Hhampuz expressed his own experience towards rollbit and the scam accusation doesn’t related on Hhampuz deal to rollbit. Trust feedback is not moderated which means a user is free to give a positive feedback on any user as long as they have a successful deal. Trust feedback and adding someone on trust list is two different things.

Is this a discussion about Rollbit's business, or about Hhampuz's support for them?
As far as I can see, Hhampuz only gave his feedback about their mutual cooperation, which I see as completely legitimate for now.


This is absolutely true, and one of the reasons why I always have a great deal of reserve towards similar accusations.


Because of the unclear and confused presentation of the facts, the strongest support was missing.


I left neutral feedback on the Rollbit Razer account, just the way I think it should be, and my opinion hasn't changed. Their handling of the charges is very slow and vague. The only thing that stopped me from giving them a negative tag was that I didn't see any definite accusations with clear proof against them.

This is about as accurate you could get with the general manner in which scam accusations are being made (against any business) when usually other information provided by the accuser or not released earlier puts their claim in doubt at the least.

In all honesty, any notion that Hhampuz is using his position as a campaign manager to give scams the green light, is preposterous. With his years of management within the forum, for any allegation against Hhampuz to be taken seriously there needs to more than an aggrieved member not happy with positive feedback which he mistakenly sees as an endorsement of a scam.

LoyceV, Since you have some kind of interest to check, let me help.
Since screenshots can be edited, forget about them and see what the accusation is and the roll bit response.

The accuser said he started implementing a strategy where he could make easy money instead of placing blind bets. He started betting exclusively on low-odd matches like 1.003 -1.02 (He also places bets on a bit higher odds like 1.5). Quoting the accuser;


On April 15th, his account was disabled/banned, saying;


After that, several Dt members, including holydarkness, yahoo62278, and BitcoinGirl.Club asked several questions to the accuser and Rollbit Razer. The accuser shared the information he had to share.

Once again, Rollbit Razer replied;


After this response, Rollbit Razer did not reply on this case anymore while the accuser is suspected of abusing the Rakeback system. They were placing bets on low-odd matches to wager and claim bonuses or something. The problem is Rollbit Razer did not share what he abused.

This question from yahoo62278 remained unanswered;


Note: BitcoinGirl.Club, yahoo62278, examplens, and holydarkness observed the case. I guess they can share their thoughts about it. I believe Rollbit has other things to say except the player is in profit. After reading this post, You can continue to read the original post of this thread.

Edit: I will take this opportunity to clear my position.
I still believe the feedback from Hhampuz is valid, and there is no wrong.
But, I also believe that flag opposition from Hhampuz without knowing the full case is throwing a blind shot. If he knows the full case, still supporting Rollbit, if you feel you disagree, then ~Hhampuz. Since I don't see Hhampuz supporting/opposing the flag too often, I believe he did it because Rollbit asked, which does not look good to me.

Sorry my English is not so good and I am not a perfect speaker, I didn't mean to insult anyone. 

What I saying is. I understand if someone has cheated that this can happen, but also it's a easy solution to this problem don't allow deposits before you accepted the user, if you want KYC from them take it, if not, don't do it, but then don't ask for it if them win big either.  

My opinion is that right is right and wrong is wrong, and if someone hasn't done anything wrong, they should not be threat this way, but I they did wrong they may deserve it.
But as I said, it's a solution to this, but if they would apply that, they would lose a lot of their income, so I understand why they don't do it. I think it's disgusting.

Best regards. / CC

Hhampuz is the campaign manager, and his feedback is related to his position and current relationship with the service provider. I do not see his action as a vindicating scam. Moreover, if I'm not mistaken, Hhampuz has, on more than one occasion, refused to cooperate with services that looked suspicious or had negative sentiment from a number of prominent members or the wider forum community. He even went as far as repeatedly paying campaign participants out of his own pocket when the project owners turned to the dark side.

Hence, accusing him of siding with scams is completely unfounded, as he has demonstrated time and again that he values his reputation above the money he earns from campaigning on a weekly basis.

As for this particular case and the accusation that Stakemeharder made against Rollbit casino, I really can't pass my judgment because, as LoyceV noted, the whole case is kind of messy, and we have bits and pieces of information shared across multiple posts, so it's challenging to form a conclusive opinion. Based on the few screenshots I've seen, there does appear to be some unusual betting activity, as risking thousands of dollars at 1.003 or 1.008 odds doesn't seem to make much sense unless it's a way to take advantage of rakeback. Now, whether this alone justifies banning a user and confiscating their balance, I cannot say, and there might be additional reasons that the casino is not disclosing.

My only suggestion is that Stakemeharder should try to present the case as clearly and transparently as possible, and also seek stronger community support or the opinion of a third-party mediator.

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@CYBER_COWBOY, I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but your comments are just plain nonsense. You contradict yourself in half of what you're saying.

How's this:
Did you really have to notify and PM me for this while I'm sleeping?

Either way, the accusation post is messy, and if it can't be explained clearly in one post, I don't have the time to go over more than a hundred posts. Screenshots are useless as evidence if I don't trust the source, as they're easy to edit.

Almost every crypto online casino is nothing else then mafias, they pretend to be your friend and are polite and helpful until you are lucky and winning big, then the problems start.
I am little bit shocked to see all these scam accusing on this forum, and all problem seems to be when a player winning big, then they start to make up stories, request impossible KYC.
They should get rid of their license and pay back all the money.

Now with that said I don't say every casino is like this, but a lot of them seems to be like these, I been lucky and never had any problem with this, but never won millions either so maybe that's the reason.
I normally only wager around $10k in a month & I am very happy where I play right now.

Why can't everyone get a long and be honest, everything would be so much funnier then, because most of us love gambling and see it as a funny thing, but when things like this happens it take all the fun away.

It's humans that have bills to pay you stealing from, and I am almost sure if you would have seen this people in front of you, you would not act like this, because if you see your victim it's not so fun.

I don't understand this greed, you already make millions and millions and more millions, but it  does not seems to be enough... to all online casinos, stop being so greedy.

Of course sometimes when they seize funds it's totally right and some people try to cheat, then they should ban them, but not against honest people.

And one thing I don't understand, everyone I mean everyone, no matter of age or where you live, can deposit how much you want and play and lose... but not everyone can withdrawal winnings.
If you can deposit you should always be able to withdrawal!! Always!

Do your KYC and shit before anyone deposits and start playing! It would be so easy and would solve all problems, but of course it would minimize your earnings.. A LOT A LOT!

It's sad.  

His feedback is still valid, and I do not see any misuse of his position here. He had been dealing with them for over two years and might risk losing money, but they paid him. In this case, you cannot say he misused the position he has. If someone has a single valid negative, ten positives won't be able to cover that valid negative.

The problem is you never know if the accuser is telling the whole story. But, I believe the platform has other things to say than saying, "The player is in profit". This cannot be a reason to seize funds and freeze the account.

You are probably using the alt account for the same reason (Hhampuz will not take you into any campaigns in the future). There is no point in blaming others while you are doing the same thing.

Hamphuz said so based on his experience with the casino in terms of rendering a service for Rollbit from 2021 till date or do you want him to say something that isn't true no. If you look out Hamphuz is one of the for users with the highest trust and this has given me the right to drop a positive tag on any issue of scam and people will consider his actions because of his reputation in the forum. If the issue has been resolved then we can know if the person was telling the whole story of the incident or he was just saying things against Rollbit to favour his judgement. Nobody here in the forum will cover up scammers because it is against the forum.

The user who created the flags has taken his complaint to their license provider a week ago and the thread where they made these accusations has not been updated yet so I can only assume the case has not been resolved. Until there is a resolution, there isn't enough evidence for me to say whether the user was scammed or not. Their campaign manager's feedback is based on their own personal experience so it is just as valid as feedback which is based on negative experience.

This is the feedback where Hhampuz left to Rollbit Razer's account, it's really valid because Rollbit's team isn't scamming him until now as the signature campaign is always paying the manager and the participants, which part is wrong for you? leaving feedback isn't always used for someone's experience, if you have a good experience and they didn't scam you, what's wrong for leaving a positive feedback?


As you have pointed out the accusations toward Rollbit, I will give the accusations that has been resolved during at the moment:
1. Resolved
2. I cant withdraw my funds (1200$) on Rollbit.com
3. Rollbit Holding $4k Withdrawal | Been 7 days+

If Rollbit is scam casino, they must not resolve and respond to any complaint or accusation in this forum.

How is that feedback vindicating a scam? I actually spoke with Hhampuz about this issue a while back because sometimes it feels like casinos use certain violations as a way to confiscate money, but a very good point was brought up. They cannot share some information to all of the forum. All they would be doing is making the scammers smarter by doing so. Users with a complain can ask the casino to agree to a outside ruling from casinoguru or askgamblers and some sites agree with that.

You gotta realize that most of the time the accuser usually isn't sharing the whole story. They're sharing the part that makes them look like they were scammed. In most cases at least. Every now and then someone actually is telling the truth and usuaully the casino will fix the issue. I at 1 point felt like the guy got scammed but I don't know the whole story and gave the casino the benefit of doubt.

I don't think Hhampuz leaving a positive trust for a casino he has had no issues with is vindicating a scam though.

Why are you using a new account?

Because I don't want to be targeted by others.


What happened?

Rollbit seizes $10k from a user. When asked why the funds were seized, they didn't give a clear answer but mentioned "The player is in profit", which sounds like a horrendous reason to seize funds.

There are other similar cases too.

BitcoinGirl.club summed up very nicely (highly appreciated) - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62338319

Date of incident: 19th of April, 2023.


What follows next?

Bitcoingirl.club leaves negative feedback following the incident, explaining why they did so.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3261248

Date of (-ve) feedback: 1st June, 2023

Hhampuz manages Rollbit's signature campaign since 2021 but never left feedback for Rollbit.

Following Bitcoingirl.club's feedback, 17 days later, on 18th June,  Hhampuz counters the feedback by stating "I have worked with Rollbit for well over 2 years now and have never had any issues. Great people behind the scenes and an innovative casino where I've played lots without problems."

Date of (+ve) feedback: 18th June, 2023

Also important to note that the feedback was left to the profile where negative feedback was given. Although the casino's main profile is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3067300

I think this is a clear case of Hhampuz misusing his position to counter a valid feedback. Neither he provides any reason or insight as to why the funds were seized although he claims to know the great people behind the scenes at Rollbit.

A casino paying a promoter/manager and paying their players are 2 very different things. 1xbet, a known scam, pays their promoters but not players.

Any casino would pay DT a sum of money to cover their shady practices such as seizing funds and don't have to give any explanation.
2 flags were created against Rollbit and everyone supported the flag and provided reasons while Hhmpuz opposed the flag and didn't care to reason it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3178

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3194

I know signature campaign guys won't care to step up because Hhampuz will not take them into any campaigns in future. But I expect LoyceV and other reputed members to at least reply.