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Topic: High Efficiency FPGA & ASIC Bitcoin Mining Devices https://BTCFPGA.com - page 19. (Read 218469 times)

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Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.
Plug it in - Turn on CGMiner - And you're running.
i'm sure we need to install dependencies, right?  which ones?
Taken from the CGMiner readme:
Code:
Dependencies:
curl dev library http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/
(libcurl4-openssl-dev)

curses dev library
(libncurses5-dev or libpdcurses on WIN32)

pkg-config http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/pkg-config
libtool http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/

jansson http://www.digip.org/jansson/
(jansson is included in-tree and not necessary)

yasm 1.0.1+ http://yasm.tortall.net/
(yasm is optional, gives assembly routines for CPU mining)

AMD APP SDK http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK
(This sdk is mandatory for GPU mining)

AMD ADL SDK http://developer.amd.com/sdks/ADLSDK
(This sdk is mandatory for ATI GPU monitoring & clocking)

libudev headers
(This is only required for FPGA auto-detection and is linux only)

libusb headers
(This is only required for ZTEX support)
For usb plug in devices you will also need to install libudev-dev libusb-dev prior to compiling


I've mined on windows and linux. I like working in linux (Lubuntu) for personal and ethical reasons which are aligned with my interest in Bitcoin. However, I'm more comfortable navigating new device installation in Windows (I've only mined on pre-installed/compatible devices before). Any thoughts as to the ease of use for ASIC plug and play on Linux vs Windows systems? I like windows ability to recognize plugged systems, but perhaps this dependency list is comprehensive?
legendary
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Hey Tom, how do you usually describe the contents of the package when you ship FPGAs overseas? Computer hardware? Will you use the same description for ASIC devices?

Thanks.

This is a good question especially for international orders. What are the devices declared as? Personally i think we should leave the word "bitcoin" out on the package description as that only adds to the confusion, and when there is confusion the package ends up in getting stuck at customs. A more generic term such as "Computer Hardware" would be preferred.

Cheers


"Computer expansion board" is what it is, and would be perfect IMO

In the EU importing computers with an HD installed is tax free (it's years that the playstation does this trick). Unfortunately this isn't a computer - and doesn't have an HD installed.
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Hey Tom, how do you usually describe the contents of the package when you ship FPGAs overseas? Computer hardware? Will you use the same description for ASIC devices?

Thanks.

This is a good question especially for international orders. What are the devices declared as? Personally i think we should leave the word "bitcoin" out on the package description as that only adds to the confusion, and when there is confusion the package ends up in getting stuck at customs. A more generic term such as "Computer Hardware" would be preferred.

Cheers


"Computer expansion board" is what it is, and would be perfect IMO
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Buy this account on March-2019. New Owner here!!
Hey Tom, how do you usually describe the contents of the package when you ship FPGAs overseas? Computer hardware? Will you use the same description for ASIC devices?

Thanks.

For the ModMiner i always listed it as "Merchandise"

Description:

FPGA Mini Computer

for the bASIC I will probably do something similar

"ASIC Mini Computer"

or something of that nature


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Please note if anyone wants to pre-order for second batch and your running into problems dont worry - we are working on polishing up the new site (Bitcoinasic.com)
hopefully we will have all the bugs worked out by tonight - although ordering is working - its kind of quirky


To access your account check status etc please use BTCFPGA.com

today:
Im working on getting the new shop ready and moving the whole operation down there, we finally got electricity and internet / phone services installed
so things are moving forward - Ive got 1000 square foot set aside just for processing of bASIC's


If you are waiting on email from me it will probably go unanswered until i get back tonight

I'm taking phone calls today if you call me and I dont answer its probably because I can't get to the phone or im on the line with someone else, please just keep trying to call back
its the best way to get me.

thanks
Tom
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Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.
Plug it in - Turn on CGMiner - And you're running.
i'm sure we need to install dependencies, right?  which ones?
Taken from the CGMiner readme:
Code:
Dependencies:
curl dev library http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/
(libcurl4-openssl-dev)

curses dev library
(libncurses5-dev or libpdcurses on WIN32)

pkg-config http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/pkg-config
libtool http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/

jansson http://www.digip.org/jansson/
(jansson is included in-tree and not necessary)

yasm 1.0.1+ http://yasm.tortall.net/
(yasm is optional, gives assembly routines for CPU mining)

AMD APP SDK http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK
(This sdk is mandatory for GPU mining)

AMD ADL SDK http://developer.amd.com/sdks/ADLSDK
(This sdk is mandatory for ATI GPU monitoring & clocking)

libudev headers
(This is only required for FPGA auto-detection and is linux only)

libusb headers
(This is only required for ZTEX support)

For usb plug in devices you will also need to install libudev-dev libusb-dev prior to compiling
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
Yes BFGMiner is a fork of CGMINER , which was forked to add Luke-Jr's FPGA support

We went the BFG route because FPGA support was not as good in CGminer as it was in BFGminer at the time, and it certainly wasnt as compatible with the ModMiner quad for various reasons.

The reason we officially support BFGminer so much is because Luke-JR also wrote the firmware for the ModMiner Quad and has developed BFGMiner and the MMQ firmware together along side eachother - this gives BFGMiner some advantages. However now that Kano has a MMQ I expect CGminer to be just as compatible soon.

...

Thank you!

Tom
BTCFPGA.com/BitcoinASIC.com
Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.
Plug it in - Turn on CGMiner - And you're running.
i'm sure we need to install dependencies, right?  which ones?
Taken from the CGMiner readme:
Code:
Dependencies:
curl dev library http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/
(libcurl4-openssl-dev)

curses dev library
(libncurses5-dev or libpdcurses on WIN32)

pkg-config http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/pkg-config
libtool http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/

jansson http://www.digip.org/jansson/
(jansson is included in-tree and not necessary)

yasm 1.0.1+ http://yasm.tortall.net/
(yasm is optional, gives assembly routines for CPU mining)

AMD APP SDK http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK
(This sdk is mandatory for GPU mining)

AMD ADL SDK http://developer.amd.com/sdks/ADLSDK
(This sdk is mandatory for ATI GPU monitoring & clocking)

libudev headers
(This is only required for FPGA auto-detection and is linux only)

libusb headers
(This is only required for ZTEX support)
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Activity: 147
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so for the DHL shipping upgrade if we ordered on the old site, all we have to do is login, make sure the order shows up in history, then purchase the $60 DHL shipping right?  Do I need to do anything else to let you know or will that just be part of what you are already going to be checking orders before shipment?
legendary
Activity: 1764
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Yes BFGMiner is a fork of CGMINER , which was forked to add Luke-Jr's FPGA support

We went the BFG route because FPGA support was not as good in CGminer as it was in BFGminer at the time, and it certainly wasnt as compatible with the ModMiner quad for various reasons.

The reason we officially support BFGminer so much is because Luke-JR also wrote the firmware for the ModMiner Quad and has developed BFGMiner and the MMQ firmware together along side eachother - this gives BFGMiner some advantages. However now that Kano has a MMQ I expect CGminer to be just as compatible soon.

...

Thank you!

Tom
BTCFPGA.com/BitcoinASIC.com
Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.
Plug it in - Turn on CGMiner - And you're running.

i'm sure we need to install dependencies, right?  which ones?
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
Yes BFGMiner is a fork of CGMINER , which was forked to add Luke-Jr's FPGA support

We went the BFG route because FPGA support was not as good in CGminer as it was in BFGminer at the time, and it certainly wasnt as compatible with the ModMiner quad for various reasons.

The reason we officially support BFGminer so much is because Luke-JR also wrote the firmware for the ModMiner Quad and has developed BFGMiner and the MMQ firmware together along side eachother - this gives BFGMiner some advantages. However now that Kano has a MMQ I expect CGminer to be just as compatible soon.

...

Thank you!

Tom
BTCFPGA.com/BitcoinASIC.com


Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.

good question esp. as applies to linux.
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
Yes BFGMiner is a fork of CGMINER , which was forked to add Luke-Jr's FPGA support

We went the BFG route because FPGA support was not as good in CGminer as it was in BFGminer at the time, and it certainly wasnt as compatible with the ModMiner quad for various reasons.

The reason we officially support BFGminer so much is because Luke-JR also wrote the firmware for the ModMiner Quad and has developed BFGMiner and the MMQ firmware together along side eachother - this gives BFGMiner some advantages. However now that Kano has a MMQ I expect CGminer to be just as compatible soon.

...

Thank you!

Tom
BTCFPGA.com/BitcoinASIC.com
Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.
Plug it in - Turn on CGMiner - And you're running.
full member
Activity: 234
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Yes BFGMiner is a fork of CGMINER , which was forked to add Luke-Jr's FPGA support

We went the BFG route because FPGA support was not as good in CGminer as it was in BFGminer at the time, and it certainly wasnt as compatible with the ModMiner quad for various reasons.

The reason we officially support BFGminer so much is because Luke-JR also wrote the firmware for the ModMiner Quad and has developed BFGMiner and the MMQ firmware together along side eachother - this gives BFGMiner some advantages. However now that Kano has a MMQ I expect CGminer to be just as compatible soon.

...

Thank you!

Tom
BTCFPGA.com/BitcoinASIC.com


Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.
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Hey Tom, how do you usually describe the contents of the package when you ship FPGAs overseas? Computer hardware? Will you use the same description for ASIC devices?

Thanks.

This is a good question especially for international orders. What are the devices declared as? Personally i think we should leave the word "bitcoin" out on the package description as that only adds to the confusion, and when there is confusion the package ends up in getting stuck at customs. A more generic term such as "Computer Hardware" would be preferred.

Cheers

I would prefer Integrated Circuit. It classifies the product adequately and has a zero rated custom charge in some countries.
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Hey Tom, how do you usually describe the contents of the package when you ship FPGAs overseas? Computer hardware? Will you use the same description for ASIC devices?

Thanks.

This is a good question especially for international orders. What are the devices declared as? Personally i think we should leave the word "bitcoin" out on the package description as that only adds to the confusion, and when there is confusion the package ends up in getting stuck at customs. A more generic term such as "Computer Hardware" would be preferred.

Cheers
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Hey Tom, how do you usually describe the contents of the package when you ship FPGAs overseas? Computer hardware? Will you use the same description for ASIC devices?

Thanks.
legendary
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Here in the eu we simply got used that 1$ = 1€...
I'm the first one to say that it's unfair, but this or break the law... And you really don't want to do that in the state regime we are in.
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Simply put, in the USA if you buy something you've got to pay sales tax.
In Germany/United Kingdom, if you buy something you've got to pay MWSt/VAT.
What I'm trying to say is, as an end-customer you've always got to pay tax.

Incorrect.  In the USA, a sales tax isn't a federal tax; it is a state tax that may or may not be imposed on sales of particular goods or services, depending on your state.
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This would be the link for all german customers, read through it, inform yourself.

http://www.zoll.de/DE/Fachthemen/Steuern/Einfuhrumsatzsteuer/einfuhrumsatzsteuer_node.html;jsessionid=C59F02000C45E91DD69F078470D35294

will there be a chance to reduce those 19%? Or even get around it? I dont care if you guys think its the right thing to pay 19%, in my opinion its not, i dont see why i would pay my government 19% from something i bought with dollar, made in the USA.

So what possibilities are there? Put no bill inside and afterwards tell them you got it from ebay or what? Asking for a bill that states something cheaper?


Simply put, in the USA if you buy something you've got to pay sales tax.
In Germany/United Kingdom, if you buy something you've got to pay MWSt/VAT.
What I'm trying to say is, as an end-customer you've always got to pay tax.
If you own a company you can make use of pre tax deduction, and get the tax you payed, back, but as I mentioned before this is not as easy as it sounds.

You're getting hung up on different terms. Although sales tax is much lower then VAT/MwSt, it more or less is the same.

____

Also, following discussions about this topic should start in a new thread as this is a topic for everyone buying something from the US and enough information can be found on the web.

Tom's thread has been derailed enough for a day.
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..yeah
will there be a chance to reduce those 19%? Or even get around it? I dont care if you guys think its the right thing to pay 19%, in my opinion its not, i dont see why i would pay my government 19% from something i bought with dollar, made in the USA.

So what possibilities are there? Put no bill inside and afterwards tell them you got it from ebay or what? Asking for a bill that states something cheaper?
newbie
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19% import tax .. makes me cringe a little

The 19% in Germany isn't really import tax, it's VAT.

Import tax, as it has been mentioned before, is probably 0% for European customers. (I'haven't had it checked yet, I'll post details as soon as I get concrete answers.)

You buy your bASIC in the US without tax as well, or am I missing something here: EX TAX: $1,069.99?

If you have a company and buy your ASIC's you can reclaim the VAT so it's a zero sum game, although you'd have to check out how and as what you declare potential profits with mining in your country and what the goverment will get from your profits.

That's something for your accountant and lawyer to figure out as this varies from country to country.
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