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This isn't just a win for Hodlonaut; this is a complete loss and utter failure for CSW.

I've only had a very quick read of the translated ruling Greg shared above, but here are a few of my favorite quotes (I have taken the liberty of amending a few grammatical errors in the translations):

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It is clear that Wright did not carry out a signing with keys belonging to Nakamoto, but there is disagreement as to what the purpose of the sessions was.

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In the court's opinion, these statements [the tweets] have a core of a factual nature, particularly related to Wright lying about being Satoshi Nakamoto and that his attempts to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto are cheating/fraud.

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The court believes that [Hodlonaut] had sufficient factual grounds to claim that Wright had lied and cheated in his attempt to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto.

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However, statements from these witnesses [CSW's witnesses] relating to whether or not he is Satoshi Nakamoto are not supported by contemporary evidence.

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The court points out that the evidence brought in the case is not suitable to change the prevailing opinion that Craig Wright is not Satoshi Nakamoto.

So not only are Hodlonaut's tweets not unlawful, and not only does the court order CSW to pay Hodlonaut ~4 million NOK (which is around $380,000 USD), but the court is pretty clear that all the evidence points to CSW being a fraud.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 20, 2022, 11:24:06 AM

Thank you!!! Finally, Mr. Wrong was proven wrong... Next step is confirmation of the same statement in UK!!

Interesting to see how the law works in the UK given that Cobra did not even attempt to put up a case when he was sued by CSW - so we don't have much info on whether the UK courts would be as knowledgeable and straightforward as their Norwegian counterparts.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on October 20, 2022, 08:39:33 AM

Good news. So what happens to Craig now?

I am sure he is going to continue with his lawsuits with other people in other countries, because this is only related with country Norway.
Judge ruled that is lied and cheated to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto, so it's confirmed again he is a fraud.
He won't go in jail for sure (maybe he should) but I am expecting he is going to pay a lot of money to Hodlonaut aka Magnus now Cheesy

Quote from: gmaxwell on October 20, 2022, 08:48:29 AM

Probably also a bunch of gaslighting to allege that he actually won in Norway.

Let me take a quick look at their propaganda website coingeek...title say ''Granath v Wright Oslo verdict: Hodlonaut not liable for defamation in Norway''.
They claim this is only ''Round One'' and they will continue parallel defamation case in the United Kingdom next year.
CSW can always file an appeal but I think next on line is Peter McCormack, according to them.

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Quote from: DooMAD on October 20, 2022, 11:57:59 AM

He gets called out as a liar, an impostor, a fraud and a conman at every turn for the rest of his life.

Not enough. Zero ethics make you immune to such offends. I want him behind the bars.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on October 20, 2022, 08:39:33 AM

Good news. So what happens to Craig now?

He gets called out as a liar, an impostor, a fraud and a conman at every turn for the rest of his life. The usual I-am-not-a-lawyer disclaimer applies, but it sounds as though legal precedent is on our side should any of us decide to publicly dismantle Wright's facade in a humiliating fashion.

It's open-season on shady scumbag identity thieves.

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Man, am I glad this is over and true justice is served. Although in the case of Craig Wrong, it would be true justice if he was sent to a mental health facility which cures him of his seemingly psychopathic mental state. Or at least keeps him away from the public where he can do no more harm.

Egotistical, petty, delusional and power hungry. These types of people are always trying to screw other people over to make themselves richer/more powerful/etc. Although who knows, this might all be a giant ploy to get Satoshi to reveal himself. Not that I am much of a conspiracy theorist but I do enjoy the occasional conspiracy.

Anyway, great news for the Hodlnaut. Hopefully we will see some more good news in the coming days about Bitcoin adoption, after all this free BTC PR thanks to faketoshi. Grin

Quote from: gmaxwell on September 26, 2022, 04:52:54 PM

Fundamentally, I think the issue is just with how brazen these creeps have become. They're not worried about losing a lawsuit here or there because they think (correctly?) they're immune. The people they're attacking don't have that comfort.

Hire some pirates to start sinking yachts in international waters/or docked in third-world South American countries and we will see most of this trash disappear in a few years.

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Quote from: gmaxwell on September 26, 2022, 04:52:54 PM

Fundamentally, I think the issue is just with how brazen these creeps have become. They're not worried about losing a lawsuit here or there because they think (correctly?) they're immune. The people they're attacking don't have that comfort.

Pedophile or what? Shocked

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Quote from: gmaxwell on October 20, 2022, 08:28:57 AM

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 17, 2022, 06:19:50 AM

Damn, I cannot wait until 8th of November. Getting exiting already...

Fortunately, you don't have to: https://twitter.com/hodlonaut/status/1583086284792205312

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[Hodlonaut] won the case. He is therefore basically entitled to full compensation for his reasonable and necessary legal costs

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The court believes that [Hodlonaut] had sufficient factual grounds to claim that Wright had lied and cheated in his attempt to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. At the time of the remarks, there was public discussion about whether Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto or not. In media coverage, the prevailing opinion was that Wright was not Satoshi Nakamoto. The court refers to the previously mentioned articles from Gizmodo (2015), and BBC News The Guardian and GQ Magazine (2016). Both parties have tried to prove that Wright is and is not Satoshi Nakamoto, respectively. The court points out that the evidence brought in the case is not suitable to change the prevailing opinion that Craig Wright is not Satoshi Nakamoto.

Thank you!!! Finally, Mr. Wrong was proven wrong... Next step is confirmation of the same statement in UK!!
That's another great news after bsv fee statement and "freezing" and the legal threats and turning the miners against him...

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I got a tweet notification from Norbert, the first thing I saw was... 🎉

Like Lucius

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I was convinced that there would be no other outcome than this

And is indeed great to see a court of law finally state what we all knew.

We have many anniversaries in Bitcoin world I think this is another "hodlonaut day"

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Congrats to Hodlonaut and to the greater Bitcoin community. It’s nice to see the courts get something right. Having all of his costs paid is also a great thing. Considering much of the funds were donated to pay his fees, this has got to feel like a nice gift at the end of a long struggle. I hope this keeps faketoshi from suing devs and others instead of giving him the fuel to continue doing horrible things. This is a big win for us all.

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i know the case started with the courts saying it did not want to be involved in proving/disproving "satoshi". where it only wanted to decide on if hodlonaut was the genesis instigator of CSW negative rep.. which is clear he was not. but i am also glad the court also mentioned that CSW us a proven liar and that the evidence still points to that CSW is not satoshi

i bet hodlonaut is currently excited, happy, relieved, exhausted and celebrating. i can imagine him now relieving the dead weight off his shoulders, that was pressing on him for the last 3 years, he deserves a stiff drink and a vacation to finally relax. and bask in the glory

i also hope this result wakes up the CSW fangirls where they start to sue CSW for misled investments, maybe even hope some whistle blow on some CSW criminal scams that can get CSW in criminal court with some proper punishment...

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anyway hodlonauut deserves the ~$670k of which ~$450k is legal costs plus all the celebrations, congratulations and donations we as a community want to give him.

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Quote from: Lucius on October 20, 2022, 09:38:34 AM

The man is a proven pathological liar, but does it even make sense to lie that you won the case in court if the verdict is more than clear?

He did so in Florida even after getting a $100 million USD judgement against him (+$49m interest), he claimed won because his opponent didn't prevail on literally every claim they made. I assume he'll do exactly the same in this case. Does it make sense? A *lot* of the media went forward with an uncritical claim that he won (and even that the case proved he was Satoshi!) copied right out of Wright's PR material fraudulently published as "journalism" in coingeek.

Here is a translation of the decision: https://files.catbox.moe/x8n18i.pdf

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I know that everything is possible, but honestly I was convinced that there would be no other outcome than this - the evidence is more than clear even for someone who is not an expert, in this case a judge in a Norwegian court. Given that Hodlonaut won, does that mean he won't need the funds he collected through the campaign - and what will happen to those funds in that case?

Quote from: gmaxwell on October 20, 2022, 08:48:29 AM

Probably also a bunch of gaslighting to allege that he actually won in Norway.

The man is a proven pathological liar, but does it even make sense to lie that you won the case in court if the verdict is more than clear?

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on October 20, 2022, 08:39:33 AM

Good news. So what happens to Craig now?

He takes more money from his marks and continues using it to fund a campaign of harassment and intimidation against Bitcoin developers and advocates in order to continue to put on a show of attempting to steal Satoshi's coins, same as before. Sad

Probably also a bunch of gaslighting to allege that he actually won in Norway.

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Farewell, Leo

Good news. So what happens to Craig now?

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 17, 2022, 06:19:50 AM

Damn, I cannot wait until 8th of November. Getting exiting already...

Fortunately, you don't have to: https://twitter.com/hodlonaut/status/1583086284792205312

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[Hodlonaut] won the case. He is therefore basically entitled to full compensation for his reasonable and necessary legal costs

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The court believes that [Hodlonaut] had sufficient factual grounds to claim that Wright had lied and cheated in his attempt to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. At the time of the remarks, there was public discussion about whether Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto or not. In media coverage, the prevailing opinion was that Wright was not Satoshi Nakamoto. The court refers to the previously mentioned articles from Gizmodo (2015), and BBC News The Guardian and GQ Magazine (2016). Both parties have tried to prove that Wright is and is not Satoshi Nakamoto, respectively. The court points out that the evidence brought in the case is not suitable to change the prevailing opinion that Craig Wright is not Satoshi Nakamoto.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on October 17, 2022, 04:58:59 AM

The official deadline is November 8th, but we're expecting/hoping it to be announced earlier than that.
The October 7 you may be remembering was only to fill the costs papers.

Thanks dude! That's why I was thinking about October, I listened the whole trial, and now I remember that there was this about the costs.
Damn, I cannot wait until 8th of November. Getting exiting already...

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 17, 2022, 04:47:30 AM

When will be the verdict announced?
If I remember correctly it was in the middle of October ( or maybe it was November).

The judge said she will notify the both parties a few days prior, when she is ready, but I can't find any more info about it.

The official deadline is November 8th, but we're expecting/hoping it to be announced earlier than that.
The October 7 you may be remembering was only to fill the costs papers.

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When will be the verdict announced?
If I remember correctly it was in the middle of October ( or maybe it was November).

The judge said she will notify the both parties a few days prior, when she is ready, but I can't find any more info about it.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 12, 2022, 02:08:29 PM

Particularly ironic given the whole hodlonaut trial is about CSW claiming that hodlonaut's tweets stopped him from attending conferences. Roll Eyes

I wonder how exactly could this happen when he was banned from twitter for a while, unless this happened before he was baned.
Maybe he was glued to the screen, reading hodlonaut tweets and writing replies on his own version of social network ~~I can't remember it's name~~ called twetch.
Meanwhile I see that hodlonaut was talking with one @MarkEglinton who said he wanted to write an ''objective'' article, but it appears he is long time supporter of CSW and CAyre. Cheesy

https://nitter.priv.pw/hodlonaut/status/1580554455006605313

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