Topic: How about Vanilla coin - page 8. (Read 10160 times)

Don't know if it was mentioned yet, but android/ios wallets and chain blender are also being tested right now.

In case anyone is curious to why the coin is called Vanillacoin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software 

Oh and another reason to choose vnl.
The 600%/year increase in value.  It moves up at a snails pace in comparison to pump and dumps, but due to the constant adaptation it still outperforms other investments over the long term.

And there I go with the hype again. 
Or is that FUD in crypto, I am unsure.  5k use will only make you 25k by 2017 if vnl keeps at this pace.

Don't be so tin hat.  I make my own opinions,and even if it's only thousands and not tens of thousands of tps,  it still out scales the current market demands by a 100x's  what is necessary.
Don't obfuscate the obviousness of this reality.

Hehe.

BTW the number of nodes needed to perform a lock is in the whitepaper, though the speed and quantity of total voted rounds that can be done by each full nodes is dependent on the resources surrounding the node in question.
How many transactions can be fulfilled by 300 nodes/second when X node votes are needed for them to lock the transaction as true.
I'm sure you can do the math on this.

Not much more difficult than finding out your typing speed of words/minute then multiplying by the average words per thread your In. Than figuring out how much time you spend coding compared to typing/day...

Sorry couldn't resist.

I see you asked John and that was his PR reply.

There is possibly a scaling issue but I would have to look again at the limited spec white paper. Afair, the transaction needs to propagate to many nodes and they have to vote on locking it. This means the scaling to high transaction volumes is going to be quite limited, especially as the network of full nodes increases in number?

So whether or not a sybil attack is possible VNL'S Zerotime transaction still allows 10's of thousands of transactions per second while still being safer than every third party transfer system in the world....  just don't use the instant transfer for money exchange...  or at least wait the couple minutes for 1 confirm before handing money over for vnl to some unknown entity.

Still better than anything released to date.

I don't remember any capitulation from VNL's side before. I did not participate in the ongoing discussion after I showed the Sybil attack vulnerability.

Perhaps it was the way some other VNL guys were shrilling it as the perfect instant transactions that caused me to judge more harshly the honesty of the project. I put that together with plagiarized code and then the recent anonymity claims with no complete specification.


Not afaics in my design (subject to future peer review).

Afair, the reason for the potential Sybil attack in Zerotime is because every node participates in voting for the lock. These nodes can be Sybil attacked, because propagation isn't proof and there is no synchrony in distributed networks.


Okay but I want instant microtransactions in a trustless scenario. And I want a million tx/sec *potential* scaling. I need this for the application of the crypto currency that I am envisioning.

Didn't we already discuss this? All lightning networks have a chance at a sybil attack.
In a trust less environment where the interaction is a fiat to coin transaction, ie; in an exchange, all instant transactions should only be used with the understanding of the risk involved.

I'm a Zerotime advocate, but even I agree that unless John proves that he has miraculously solved this problem Zerotime should not be used in a trust less interaction.

What Zerotime does do, is to add to the use ability of vanillacoin in human interaction.

The market also agrees with me on this, if John proves he has solved the sybil attack vector, VNL would be worth much much more than it is right now.

You do realize that VNL switched to Blake after the flaw in whirlpoolX11 was found.
Thanks to those that brought the X11 flaw to light.  

John was very straightforward when he found that the whirlpool algo was also susceptible like other x11 algos, and immediately dropped the other things he was working on to keep vnl ahead of the flaw.

Thank you John-connor for keeping us ahead of the pack.

You guys think you are capable of judging John's capabilities but you don't even comprehend very basic Bitcoin 101 issues.

If the mining hash function is sufficiently broken, the cracker can rewrite the entire block chain with a greater difficulty (i.e. he can produce great difficulty with very little computing hardware). If the crack is public knowledge, then the longest rule means nothing and chaos results.

Chaining hashes doesn't always fix the risk, e.g. if one of the hashes in the chain has a very high level of collisions.


45/healthy and 51/chronically ill is indescribably different. 6 years ago I was still chasing girls and partying. Now I struggle with daily life. But don't feel sorry for me, I did it to myself with the life choices I made. And I am doing reasonably well with it since I discovered high dose curcumin extract. I think my problem is dysfunction in the pancreas, gall bladder, or colon (possibly cancer or auto immune disease thereabouts). Any way, I am getting some improvement, but it has taught me that life is for the moment. I don't think about living to 80. What ever I get, I will enjoy.

Main thing is I've stopped thinking like I was still young and my life is ahead of me. I started to think about decline and just making the most of remaining life. I think even without illness, this is a change in mental outlook that man goes through in his 50s. Perhaps it would be different if I was totally healthy and could still compete in athletics the way I love to. For example, last month I think I tore or strained the rotator cuff in my shoulder. Maybe just an occassional nuisance and maybe next time I need to remember i just can't go from doing nothing to shooting the basketball vigorously. Sometimes it feels like everything I try to do physically is a failure since I got ill. As I said, maybe my attitude will be different if athleticism returns consistently. Even when I jog my legs are often weak. But I will say I had a strong run the prior day and I was just happy with that. I live what ever I get.

Well, I'm 45 and feeling sorry for you cause yes I'm that kind of guy.
... But than you, again, started posting shit which points to your terminal brain illness.
Still feeling sorry for you.
I hope it's not contagious.

Well we can still look at this like there is nothing 100% proof vs time.
how would blake be more secure than whirlpool ? mining has nothing to do with the security of this coin its just a way of distribution.

TPTB, I am going to admit something here to you all based on your last line.  Almost a year ago, while this coin was still beta and being cpu mined, talk was going around about a gpu miner coming out soon.  People were on the original forums constantly trying to do off market buys and sells because there was no exchange yet.  I saw VNL as a very promising coin and thought that if people were cpu mining for a few months and then gpu mining for a few months with no exchange then later on people would yell foul, that it was mined by a select few nerds like DARK or something, and the forum would be filled with buy/sell postings.  I discussed this with john connor briefly and at first he said he didn't want it on exchanges yet, it wasn't ready.  Then later with more trades off market and speculation he said ok to me.  I then asked my contacts at Bittrex and Poloniex to add it, I gave them john's contact info as well (and I never had anything to do with C-Cex adding it). Well it took a couple months of me trying to get it listed, but in the end Bittrex and Polo did thorough code reviews and had the help of john and I believe ocminer in incorporating it. It was not a simple job, because it is not a clone.  So don't doubt his ethics. He has never hyped his coin and he didn't want it on exchanges yet, but myself and others felt it needed to be and he reluctantly agreed months later.  So if you want to blame someone for having the coin listed too early, blame me. But I have seen clone coins made in a day and listed the next. This coin was developed for a year before listed. And that one pump in the summer to 60k, that was just speculators speculating. It had nothing to do with john connor. In fact john buys coins when pumpers try to inflate the price before he thinks the price is where it should be naturally.  John also buys a lot of coins when the price dumps. He believes in his coin 100% and is like Jamie Dimon buying $26M of Chase (his own companies) stock when people think it is doomed. John has always delivered and puts his money where his mouth is.  Now I know everybody doesn't love his personality, and that is fine. Once you get to know him and his sarcasm, low tollerence for idiots, and humor, he is fun to talk to. Though he does get annoyed easily when people who are not very experienced dev/coders try to talk to him about VNL, because lets face it, almost no one can really read all his code, understand it, and have a meaningful debate with him.  He also holds two Ph.Ds I believe and has been in crypto and P2Ps major projects for two decades. He is no kid in his basement, and if you believe any of this FUD and miss out on the long term (not days or weeks) opportunities VNL is offering, well that is up to you.  I see a competant dev pumping code to git like a monster, delivering on all his promises, having lawyers and accountants look over his business, buying domains for his business, making contacts with important people and companies in crypto and outside of crypto looking to enter.  And while john is the main dev, there is other devs that help as well as his recent ad for a full stack dev.  This coin is as real as it gets. When it has whisper (encrypted) voice and text on cell phones, chainblender (anon coins), and is already the fastest coin with zerotime and probably the fastest even without zerotime, what is there not to like?  I am not saying it is going to overtake btc, though it does solve the scalability and speed problem, but it certainly belongs in the top 5 altcoins, and is nothing like the other 1000 clone copy paste scam coins.

I heard that motherfucker had like thirty goddamn dicks...

Just proves that John isn't the case you think he is.
There is a problem=John solves it.  Quickly.
Another reason to consider vnl.

Well you still didn't get the technical point, because the nonsense of x11 was it was as weak as its weakest hash in terms of security and please tell John to flush some of the cryptanalysis that has been done on Whirlpool, as it is most definitely not as secure as Blake.

So now you can thank me for contributing to your coin. You're welcome.


Pwn3d.

lol reading back your posts, if you think like a dev what do you understand of xmr ?

lol when i said multi algo i meant that atm you can mine with blake and in future it was talked whildpool could be readded as secound mining algo. In no way vnl is going x11 dumass.