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Quote from: Amph on July 13, 2016, 05:59:16 AM

pallas do you think it's possible to increase the hash on neos for the 1070? someone is talking about 85% usage at around 1MH, so it seems that there is room for a small improvement, this without oc..

sorry but what is NEOS for? another coin or still ETH?

the neoscrypt algo, as used by feathercoin among others

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Quote from: Amph on July 13, 2016, 05:59:16 AM

pallas do you think it's possible to increase the hash on neos for the 1070? someone is talking about 85% usage at around 1MH, so it seems that there is room for a small improvement, this without oc..

sorry but what is NEOS for? another coin or still ETH?

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Quote from: grrrgrrr on July 13, 2016, 11:19:28 AM

Quote from: pallas on July 13, 2016, 06:06:22 AM

Quote from: Amph on July 13, 2016, 05:59:16 AM

pallas do you think it's possible to increase the hash on neos for the 1070? someone is talking about 85% usage at around 1MH, so it seems that there is room for a small improvement, this without oc..

I don't remember the usage but given the numbers I measured, neoscrypt is already performing better, compare to maxwel, than other algos. Thus, I doubt there is room for improvement. Also please note that I'm getting more than 1 Mh/s with UNDERclocking (TDP set at the minimum of 125W) and that I use linux.

Can confirm. Here's my results tweaking nvidia-smi -pl under core+200 mem+800 oc.
Miner is open source nicehash/ccminer-sp. Ubuntu 16.04 + Cuda8

75W: 650 kh/s
80W: 750 kh/s
85W: 815 kh/s
90W: 875 kh/s
100W: 950 kh/s
110W: 1000 kh/s
120W: 1050 kh/s
130W: 1085 kh/s
140W: 1110 kh/s
150W: 1140 kh/s

Are they from the wall or from the software such as GPUZ? I do not know much about the nVidia cards.

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Quote from: pallas on July 13, 2016, 02:40:58 AM

The zotac 1070 amp extreme is in, here some considerations:

- it's HUGE! long, fat and high: the biggest and heaviest card I've ever seen; possible issue for building rigs.
- cooling is very efficient.
- leds are so bright they light up all the room at night.
- TDP range is 125 -> 250; unfortunately it can't go lower than 125, which may be an issue for miners.
- two 8 pin pcie power cables; I would have preferred at least one of the two was 6 pins, another possible issue for miners.
- neoscrypt performance is excellent: more than a megahash with just 125 W!
- most other algos are 10-15% faster than 980ti but with 2/3 the power usage.

All in all I'm very satisfied but the next 1070 that I will buy will be a gigabyte G1 gaming.

g1 gaming is the best, vrm covered, only 1 8 pin, it has some cool led that tell you about the state of the gpu, i'm buying six soon

Quote from: grrrgrrr on July 13, 2016, 11:19:28 AM

Quote from: pallas on July 13, 2016, 06:06:22 AM

Quote from: Amph on July 13, 2016, 05:59:16 AM

pallas do you think it's possible to increase the hash on neos for the 1070? someone is talking about 85% usage at around 1MH, so it seems that there is room for a small improvement, this without oc..

I don't remember the usage but given the numbers I measured, neoscrypt is already performing better, compare to maxwel, than other algos. Thus, I doubt there is room for improvement. Also please note that I'm getting more than 1 Mh/s with UNDERclocking (TDP set at the minimum of 125W) and that I use linux.

Can confirm. Here's my results tweaking nvidia-smi -pl under core+200 mem+800 oc.
Miner is open source nicehash/ccminer-sp. Ubuntu 16.04 + Cuda8

75W: 650 kh/s
80W: 750 kh/s
85W: 815 kh/s
90W: 875 kh/s
100W: 950 kh/s
110W: 1000 kh/s
120W: 1050 kh/s
130W: 1085 kh/s
140W: 1110 kh/s
150W: 1140 kh/s

40w for only 140khs gain, seems bad, better to stay at 1MH 110w, can you try +300 core?

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Quote from: pallas on July 13, 2016, 06:06:22 AM

Quote from: Amph on July 13, 2016, 05:59:16 AM

pallas do you think it's possible to increase the hash on neos for the 1070? someone is talking about 85% usage at around 1MH, so it seems that there is room for a small improvement, this without oc..

I don't remember the usage but given the numbers I measured, neoscrypt is already performing better, compare to maxwel, than other algos. Thus, I doubt there is room for improvement. Also please note that I'm getting more than 1 Mh/s with UNDERclocking (TDP set at the minimum of 125W) and that I use linux.

Can confirm. Here's my results tweaking nvidia-smi -pl under core+200 mem+800 oc.
Miner is open source nicehash/ccminer-sp. Ubuntu 16.04 + Cuda8

75W: 650 kh/s
80W: 750 kh/s
85W: 815 kh/s
90W: 875 kh/s
100W: 950 kh/s
110W: 1000 kh/s
120W: 1050 kh/s
130W: 1085 kh/s
140W: 1110 kh/s
150W: 1140 kh/s

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Quote from: pallas on July 13, 2016, 06:06:22 AM

Quote from: Amph on July 13, 2016, 05:59:16 AM

pallas do you think it's possible to increase the hash on neos for the 1070? someone is talking about 85% usage at around 1MH, so it seems that there is room for a small improvement, this without oc..

I don't remember the usage but given the numbers I measured, neoscrypt is already performing better, compare to maxwel, than other algos. Thus, I doubt there is room for improvement. Also please note that I'm getting more than 1 Mh/s with UNDERclocking (TDP set at the minimum of 125W) and that I use linux.

really nice to have 1MH with only 125w and probably lower, i presume in windows is a bit worse than that

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Quote from: Amph on July 13, 2016, 05:59:16 AM

pallas do you think it's possible to increase the hash on neos for the 1070? someone is talking about 85% usage at around 1MH, so it seems that there is room for a small improvement, this without oc..

I don't remember the usage but given the numbers I measured, neoscrypt is already performing better, compare to maxwel, than other algos. Thus, I doubt there is room for improvement. Also please note that I'm getting more than 1 Mh/s with UNDERclocking (TDP set at the minimum of 125W) and that I use linux.

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pallas do you think it's possible to increase the hash on neos for the 1070? someone is talking about 85% usage at around 1MH, so it seems that there is room for a small improvement, this without oc..

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Quote from: Masked_Immortal on July 13, 2016, 03:25:04 AM

Quote from: pallas on July 13, 2016, 02:40:58 AM

The zotac 1070 amp extreme is in, here some considerations:

- it's HUGE! long, fat and high: the biggest and heaviest card I've ever seen; possible issue for building rigs.
- cooling is very efficient.
- leds are so bright they light up all the room at night.
- TDP range is 125 -> 250; unfortunately it can't go lower than 125, which may be an issue for miners.
- two 8 pin pcie power cables; I would have preferred at least one of the two was 6 pins, another possible issue for miners.
- neoscrypt performance is excellent: more than a megahash with just 125 W!
- most other algos are 10-15% faster than 980ti but with 2/3 the power usage.

All in all I'm very satisfied but the next 1070 that I will buy will be a gigabyte G1 gaming.

why two 8 pin power connector if it uses around 150 W ?!

max TDP is 250: they did it to allow a lot of overclocking, but it's so high I doubt it can be useful.

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Quote from: pallas on July 13, 2016, 02:40:58 AM

The zotac 1070 amp extreme is in, here some considerations:

- it's HUGE! long, fat and high: the biggest and heaviest card I've ever seen; possible issue for building rigs.
- cooling is very efficient.
- leds are so bright they light up all the room at night.
- TDP range is 125 -> 250; unfortunately it can't go lower than 125, which may be an issue for miners.
- two 8 pin pcie power cables; I would have preferred at least one of the two was 6 pins, another possible issue for miners.
- neoscrypt performance is excellent: more than a megahash with just 125 W!
- most other algos are 10-15% faster than 980ti but with 2/3 the power usage.

All in all I'm very satisfied but the next 1070 that I will buy will be a gigabyte G1 gaming.

why two 8 pin power connector if it uses around 150 W ?!

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Quote from: Amph on July 12, 2016, 03:57:10 PM

Quote from: raskill on July 12, 2016, 01:52:57 PM

Unless you live in Washington where electricity is 7.6 cents per kw, all the conventional cards 270,270X,280,280X.290.290X,370,370X,390,390X are not worth mining. Unless you believe the price will go up again someday which I think is what is driving the network hashrate of Ethereum currently. Miners have not lost faith in future price speculation. Of course this will not hold up forever as they keep dishing out the dough come bill time. Rather than wear out rigs on little profit or negative return it is smarter to turn them off and either wait for a profitable endeavor or liquidate assets...The time of Gpu rig building for profit has been over for awhile. The new cards that are more efficient carry such a high price tag, ROI probabilities are not good.

again this, those who do not factor in, resale value of their investment, have not the right to talk about roi at all

you guys are talking like your card will be worth zero after you sell them when mining end, no they are worth like 80% of initial value especially if they belong to a new generation, this is not true for old card, they are worthless for gamers...

for example the 1070 will e easily sold for 350 even after two years until Volta will be out

That is true. But when I do the calulation, when I do ROI, I will factor in 0 resale value. If there is no ROI in 6 months, there is no point building it. that is the safety margin.

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The zotac 1070 amp extreme is in, here some considerations:

- it's HUGE! long, fat and high: the biggest and heaviest card I've ever seen; possible issue for building rigs.
- cooling is very efficient.
- leds are so bright they light up all the room at night.
- TDP range is 125 -> 250; unfortunately it can't go lower than 125, which may be an issue for miners.
- two 8 pin pcie power cables; I would have preferred at least one of the two was 6 pins, another possible issue for miners.
- neoscrypt performance is excellent: more than a megahash with just 125 W!
- most other algos are 10-15% faster than 980ti but with 2/3 the power usage.

All in all I'm very satisfied but the next 1070 that I will buy will be a gigabyte G1 gaming.

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Quote from: raskill on July 12, 2016, 01:52:57 PM

Unless you live in Washington where electricity is 7.6 cents per kw, all the conventional cards 270,270X,280,280X.290.290X,370,370X,390,390X are not worth mining. Unless you believe the price will go up again someday which I think is what is driving the network hashrate of Ethereum currently. Miners have not lost faith in future price speculation. Of course this will not hold up forever as they keep dishing out the dough come bill time. Rather than wear out rigs on little profit or negative return it is smarter to turn them off and either wait for a profitable endeavor or liquidate assets...The time of Gpu rig building for profit has been over for awhile. The new cards that are more efficient carry such a high price tag, ROI probabilities are not good.

again this, those who do not factor in, resale value of their investment, have not the right to talk about roi at all

you guys are talking like your card will be worth zero after you sell them when mining end, no they are worth like 80% of initial value especially if they belong to a new generation, this is not true for old card, they are worthless for gamers...

for example the 1070 will e easily sold for 350 even after two years until Volta will be out

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Quote from: raskill on July 12, 2016, 01:52:57 PM

Unless you live in Washington where electricity is 7.6 cents per kw, all the conventional cards 270,270X,280,280X.290.290X,370,370X,390,390X are not worth mining. Unless you believe the price will go up again someday which I think is what is driving the network hashrate of Ethereum currently. Miners have not lost faith in future price speculation. Of course this will not hold up forever as they keep dishing out the dough come bill time. Rather than wear out rigs on little profit or negative return it is smarter to turn them off and either wait for a profitable endeavor or liquidate assets...The time of Gpu rig building for profit has been over for awhile. The new cards that are more efficient carry such a high price tag, ROI probabilities are not good.

I agree with that. But you can make the old cards a bit more efficient by undervolting and underclocking.

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Unless you live in Washington where electricity is 7.6 cents per kw, all the conventional cards 270,270X,280,280X.290.290X,370,370X,390,390X are not worth mining. Unless you believe the price will go up again someday which I think is what is driving the network hashrate of Ethereum currently. Miners have not lost faith in future price speculation. Of course this will not hold up forever as they keep dishing out the dough come bill time. Rather than wear out rigs on little profit or negative return it is smarter to turn them off and either wait for a profitable endeavor or liquidate assets...The time of Gpu rig building for profit has been over for awhile. The new cards that are more efficient carry such a high price tag, ROI probabilities are not good.

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I think new 470 is more better to 280x .

Minor comsuption and more power .

That would be similar hash rate, but maybe 50% of the power consumption. 470 could be the best for mining.

But if the 470 comes out next months, it will not be able to ROI if the mining difficulty rises at the current rate.

We already know the difficulty is rising fast. But people (miners) are very confident the price will rise, they are add more miners.

If the difficulty doubles every two months as it did in the last 6 months, even for 480, there will be no ROI.

Most miners are very experienced. I think they believe the price of Ethereum will rise after the crisis.

The miners are driven by greed. That will cause an over investment. They might lose some money in the future.

The price is below $10 now. The difficult is also high and rising fast. For the old graphics cards, they will not be profitable next month.

Maybe the difficulty will not rise as fast as before. But that is a gamble. In fact, mining is a gamble as well.

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