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legendary
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September 29, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
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I had an unfortunate problem with miicard right when bitcoin jumped from ~$40 to ~$55 and I was sure that the end was not far off. So I let the cash ride and hoped for the best.
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I'm curious about your issue with miicard.  The thing is pretty scary, but I did sign up using a bank account without a lot of funds on time.  They pestered me when I closed the account so it seems like the do ping one's bank account from time to time.

sr. member
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Digital money you say?
September 29, 2013, 03:58:17 PM
Still remember this impressive thread, did you invest based on your plan OP? Success?

I did invest literally all of my money which wasn't paying my bills, and unfortunately I was unable to secure any bitcoins with credit, I still made out like a bandit and I just about quintupled my investment. I cashed a portion of my funds out at ~$170 and the rest is just hanging on for the ride  Wink

I had an unfortunate problem with miicard right when bitcoin jumped from ~$40 to ~$55 and I was sure that the end was not far off. So I let the cash ride and hoped for the best.

I am bummed that I was unable to secure leverage but I am happy that I have done so well Smiley
legendary
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September 28, 2013, 09:07:54 AM
Otherwise you get into silly situations like if you sell bitcoin to re-buy more, you are helping Bitcoin, etc...
I've helped more than 100 people buy Bitcoins for the first time by reselling Bitcoins.

Most of them probably would have bought eventually, but more than one has told me they only bought because there was somebody in their area with a good reputation that was willing to meet them and explain the process.

Maybe that's not what you meant, but it certainly is one way to help adoption of the currency grow.


check out this poll:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3216179



indeed very interesting thread.
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
September 28, 2013, 06:45:01 AM
Still remember this impressive thread, did you invest based on your plan OP? Success?
full member
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Otherwise you get into silly situations like if you sell bitcoin to re-buy more, you are helping Bitcoin, etc...
I've helped more than 100 people buy Bitcoins for the first time by reselling Bitcoins.

Most of them probably would have bought eventually, but more than one has told me they only bought because there was somebody in their area with a good reputation that was willing to meet them and explain the process.

Maybe that's not what you meant, but it certainly is one way to help adoption of the currency grow.

No, I meant something like "i'm going to sell my Bitcoins on Gox, so that through some method (like the one in my sig *blatant plug*) I can obtain more Bitcoins later, and thus by obtaining more bitcoins I have effectively forced the purchase of more bitcoins, driving the price up, helping bitcoin."

Thats why I dont consider causing a price increase like the OP is doing to be necessarily "helping bitcoin". (I'm not saying its hurting bitcoin, just that its not really helping it as you imply).
full member
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"Don't worry. My career died after Batman, too."
Did the OP invest back in March?
legendary
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Otherwise you get into silly situations like if you sell bitcoin to re-buy more, you are helping Bitcoin, etc...
I've helped more than 100 people buy Bitcoins for the first time by reselling Bitcoins.

Most of them probably would have bought eventually, but more than one has told me they only bought because there was somebody in their area with a good reputation that was willing to meet them and explain the process.

Maybe that's not what you meant, but it certainly is one way to help adoption of the currency grow.
full member
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Some people are willing to risk their entirely livelyhood on this thing and I think I'm a daredevil because I own more BTC than XIV.
Many people underestimate what Bitcoin represents - I'm not exaggerating in my signature.
Sure, but I doubt that buying Bitcoins really aids bitcoin in that purpose.

Otherwise you get into silly situations like if you sell bitcoin to re-buy more, you are helping Bitcoin, etc...
legendary
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Some people are willing to risk their entirely livelyhood on this thing and I think I'm a daredevil because I own more BTC than XIV.
Many people underestimate what Bitcoin represents - I'm not exaggerating in my signature.
full member
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Its posts like this that make me want to start a BTC-based company or something.

Some people are willing to risk their entirely livelyhood on this thing and I think I'm a daredevil because I own more BTC than XIV.

XIV is far better than traditional stock index fund!!!  Really glad to see some sophistication in finance

When Bernanke spoke, I felt the exact opposite of sophisticated.

Now i'm feeling rather sophisticated, however Smiley That contango just keeps on rollin'
hero member
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Its posts like this that make me want to start a BTC-based company or something.

Some people are willing to risk their entirely livelyhood on this thing and I think I'm a daredevil because I own more BTC than XIV.

XIV is far better than traditional stock index fund!!!  Really glad to see some sophistication in finance
sr. member
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Hello fellow bitcoin users.

I have been watching bitcoin over the past 2 years, I 'bought in' about 6 months ago. Over the months I have watched bitcoin developments and feel strongly about bitcoins future. Barring some massive hole found in the code, or something disastrous happening worldwide which might make people feel that bitcoin is terribly insecure, I feel that bitcoin's rise is inevitable.

Now comes the stupid part. I am thinking about taking on a $10k-$15k student loan to purchase bitcoins.

No, I don't need you to tell me why this is a retarded idea or why this is massively risky. I understand the risks quite well and I think I have lost my marbles. I have determined that I would rather pay off this loan than miss this investment opportunity. I know that if this fails I will kick myself forever, but I am young (26) and I can recover.

I was wondering if anyone knew of any loan services which might be good for this purpose, or things I should know about making such a large purchase. Please keep the doom and gloom to yourself, I know this is stupid but I have made my decision. I need ideas and help.

I plan to be holding for at least 5-10 years, and I would be willing to part with about 50 of my coins for $15k to pay off my loan and break even (a.k.a. a price of ~$300 a coin). I will be holding my breath until then. I plan on doing this in such a way that I do no incur Forex taxes on my 'cash out'. And I would probably end up having someone pay off my loan for the trade of coins below market rate. I would probably end up paying for everything I need in bitcoins as I see no reason to exchange my money back out and let 'the man' take a cut of my profit. This is my super scary gamble and I want to keep my reward if I get it.

Thank you very much for any positive input. And I hope you have a great day.

Edit:

Ok, I slept on it and I have made a decision.

  • The student loan is out, there are just too many reasons not to use a student loan despite the advantages. My loan will either be from a credit card or some kind of p2p loan.
  • My loan size will be an easily manageable level, I will be taking out $6k. I can comfortably pay this amount back in under a year and I could probably hock all my stuff at a pawn shop if I really needed to get rid of it asap. This limits my stupidity/insanity to a reasonable level.

I would really like to be bolder, but I believe that Melbustus is right when he said:

I know you're not planning on defaulting, but your financial position suggests a volatile situation where even *you* may not be aware of how you'll react to various developments.

I have the resolve, I just don't want market forces making decisions for me. I am not so stupid as to assume that the market will go up enough for me to pay this off in the next several months. I know my job will still be here in a year barring the collapse of the USD. And I know I have the assets to settle my debt quickly if I needed to. All of this money would be savings or expendable money anyway. I just want it now.

I plan on selling 50 of my coins to break even when the time comes. I will keep the rest.

Now I just need to figure out how to buy.... Leveraged or all in :/ Anybody know if we are going to crash soon? I would really like to get coins at a discount!  Grin

Life is a BIG risk, so if you´re not ready to take it - leave it!
full member
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Its posts like this that make me want to start a BTC-based company or something.

Some people are willing to risk their entirely livelyhood on this thing and I think I'm a daredevil because I own more BTC than XIV.
legendary
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I really like this gamble by the OP, if he put $15k in March at around $50 (before Mar 17, BTC's $50 or below), he has 300 BTC.  If he put into coinlenders, graet.loan, etc. (spread out the risk and leave some uninvested), he should get about at least 16%.  Let's factor in defaults and suppose he gets 12%, 5 years from now, that will comes to 1.12 ^ 5 = 1.762 * 300 = 528.7 BTC.  I think it's unlikely BTC will be at the same level 5 years from now - either it'll grow many times (possibly worth more than $1000 USD or even more) or it'll be a bust.  If BTC's is > $1000 USD, he makes out with half a million, extremely well for any graduates.  If it becomes a bust, he'll pile on about $21k more debt assuming interest on loan is 7%.  In the scenario that BTC just languish at current rate, he'll still be about $30k ahead.

that's what i concluded.

I did something similar kind of similar in my senior year in college.  But then it wasn't done against a student loan so I've the option of going bankrupt and wipe it off my slate if it went bad - of course, it wasn't for a 30 bagger and half a million, it was just a chance for a 3 bagger.  Go big and aim for something potentially life changing!!  I wish the OP luck!!!  Will check back 5 years from now!!



some of us are young, we can afford these risks Smiley
hero member
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I really like this gamble by the OP, if he put $15k in March at around $50 (before Mar 17, BTC's $50 or below), he has 300 BTC.  If he put into coinlenders, graet.loan, etc. (spread out the risk and leave some uninvested), he should get about at least 16%.  Let's factor in defaults and suppose he gets 12%, 5 years from now, that will comes to 1.12 ^ 5 = 1.762 * 300 = 528.7 BTC.  I think it's unlikely BTC will be at the same level 5 years from now - either it'll grow many times (possibly worth more than $1000 USD or even more) or it'll be a bust.  If BTC's is > $1000 USD, he makes out with half a million, extremely well for any graduates.  If it becomes a bust, he'll pile on about $21k more debt assuming interest on loan is 7%.  In the scenario that BTC just languish at current rate, he'll still be about $30k ahead.

that's what i concluded.

I did something similar kind of similar in my senior year in college.  But then it wasn't done against a student loan so I've the option of going bankrupt and wipe it off my slate if it went bad - of course, it wasn't for a 30 bagger and half a million, it was just a chance for a 3 bagger.  Go big and aim for something potentially life changing!!  I wish the OP luck!!!  Will check back 5 years from now!!

legendary
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I really like this gamble by the OP, if he put $15k in March at around $50 (before Mar 17, BTC's $50 or below), he has 300 BTC.  If he put into coinlenders, graet.loan, etc. (spread out the risk and leave some uninvested), he should get about at least 16%.  Let's factor in defaults and suppose he gets 12%, 5 years from now, that will comes to 1.12 ^ 5 = 1.762 * 300 = 528.7 BTC.  I think it's unlikely BTC will be at the same level 5 years from now - either it'll grow many times (possibly worth more than $1000 USD or even more) or it'll be a bust.  If BTC's is > $1000 USD, he makes out with half a million, extremely well for any graduates.  If it becomes a bust, he'll pile on about $21k more debt assuming interest on loan is 7%.  In the scenario that BTC just languish at current rate, he'll still be about $30k ahead.

that's what i concluded.
hero member
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I really like this gamble by the OP, if he put $15k in March at around $50 (before Mar 17, BTC's $50 or below), he has 300 BTC.  If he put into coinlenders, graet.loan, etc. (spread out the risk and leave some uninvested), he should get about at least 16%.  Let's factor in defaults and suppose he gets 12%, 5 years from now, that will comes to 1.12 ^ 5 = 1.762 * 300 = 528.7 BTC.  I think it's unlikely BTC will be at the same level 5 years from now - either it'll grow many times (possibly worth more than $1000 USD or even more) or it'll be a bust.  If BTC's is > $1000 USD, he makes out with half a million, extremely well for any graduates.  If it becomes a bust, he'll pile on about $21k more debt assuming interest on loan is 7%.  In the scenario that BTC just languish at current rate, he'll still be about $30k ahead.
legendary
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If worst comes to worst they can leave the country, and their bad debts will just be another drop in the ocean of the malpurposed and unrepayable government-backed student loan debts.
A smart person employing this strategy should make sure he's bilingual before graduating.
hero member
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If he bought in March, I think he's ahead by quite a bit.  Hope you are putting your coins to good use and earn some interest on them.
legendary
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Assuming the OP made his purchases relatively soon after posting here, he's done pretty well already. With no payments due for a few years at least, it makes leveraged BTC purchases using student loans look like a good deal.

No, it still looks very very stupid.

If worst comes to worst they can leave the country, and their bad debts will just be another drop in the ocean of the malpurposed and unrepayable government-backed student loan debts.
http://reason.com/archives/2013/06/21/easy-credit-is-inflating-a-massive-stude
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