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April 28, 2012, 06:44:40 AM
Hey Inaba,He's just trying to increase his post count as fast as he can,he just joined april 4th  Grin

damn you got me Tongue

Inaba, offer something new or keep rephrasing your tired argument.

Mem, shut the fuck up and stop spamming this thread.
mem
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Herp Derp PTY LTD
April 28, 2012, 05:34:35 AM
Hey Inaba,He's just trying to increase his post count as fast as he can,he just joined april 4th  Grin

damn you got me Tongue

Inaba, offer something new or keep rephrasing your tired argument.
legendary
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April 28, 2012, 03:20:23 AM
Hey Inaba,He's just trying to increase his post count as fast as he can,he just joined april 4th  Grin
legendary
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April 28, 2012, 01:04:49 AM
Ahh, it becomes clear now.  You are here to make yourself feel better about placing an order for a different device.  It's called "buyers remorse," look it up.  Makes sense why you spouted a bunch of misinformation, outright falsehoods and were (and still are, presumably) unable to answer even a single question posed to you with regards to your claims. Seriously, answer just one of the questions posed to you so far.  Just one... go on, I dare ya.

So lets recap your argument:

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1. Dubious company registration.
2. Next to no contact.
3. Outright lies regarding delivery times (and has continued to lie regarding delivery times for 6+ months).
4. Extremely few seen out in the wild (enough that you could simply pay someone for a false review to help out the long con).
5. 0 information on chips used (this is the only thing that does not bother me).
6. Constant spamming of BFL.
7. The person assuring us its not a con has answered 0 questions of substance, instead selling you on the "I trust them, you should to".

1. Legitimate complaint
2. Outright lie
3. Legitimate complaint
4. Outright lie
5. Immaterial, they are under no obligation to tell you.
6. Outright lie
7. Outright lie

So out of 7 claims, 4 are outright lies, 2 are legitimate and 1 is irrelevant.  You have, apparently, two beefs. 1 the shipping date, which you have harped on incessently.  And two, the "dubious company registration."  I'm not sure how that exactly effects hardware production, but hey, it is a fact and you brought it up, so you can have it.

You then whined my statement that I confirmed the existence of more people owrking at BFL than just Sonny and Ninja Lady.  You called me several names as well as hurled a bunch of insults.  You started out being an asshole and now you are whining because I give back to you in kind? Heh...  Anyway, in response to your whining, I asked you what would be acceptable confirmation.  You failed to answer, but instead chose to continue to insult me.

Then two posts later, you make the claim (which you continue to spew, I presume in the hopes that people will start to believe it) that:

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We have a few key members here adamant that it is legit (and I hope it is) but the same members absolutely refuse to provide any substantial evidence.

Even though you can't seem to answer what would constitute substantial evidence.  I again ask you what would be good enough for your delicate sensibilities, but again you failed to answer.

You then proceed to produce a wall of text + quotes trying to pick apart my post line by line, since you apparently can't actually address the topics in the post, instead you start typing unrelated and seemingly random responses to lines of text.  One of the gems was this:

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What is adequate for you?
A unit being demonstrated on a video for a group of people known to the community.
Again you do not seem to understand the difference being a logical conclusion and faith.

To which I responded that it's already been done.  Oopsie on your part there, so you completely ignore this subsequently.

You then go on to "challenge me to do 2 things." 

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1) produce 1 fact regarding BFL that can be verified and carries some weight.

2) Grow the fuck up, stop screeching and swearing on the forums because people dared to question your claims. Frankly any respect you may have earned from me is lost due to the extremely childish and unprofessional way you handle yourself.
I wouldnt enter into business with someone that throws tantrums when people do not blindly agree with their unfounded claims.

3rd optional challenge:

3) Attempt a civil debate, respond with founded claims or STFU. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the definition of a debate so you know  to keep your assumptions out if it.

Which I then proceed to provide you with your #1 challenge, which is difficult, since you never really answered what would "carry some weight." 

Your #2 challenge is actually an insult, not really a challenge.

Your #3 challenge is just a rehash of #2.  All the while, you conveniently ignore the fact that it was you who started the uncivil communication.

I then ask you yet AGAIN, what is adequate proof.  You yet AGAIN fail to answer.

You then state that my claims mean nothing without proof.  Yet you can't seem to articulate what, exactly, that proof would be.  You then go on to spout out more names and insults.

You then ask for "citations" when I ask you how someone is suppose to establish that they are an authority in a particular subject area.  You seem to fail to understand exactly what a citation is, so this argument falls flat and is subsequently ignored by you.

This is where you start to repeatedly harp on the "They lied about shipping times" mantra you are so fond of.  You restate it several times amidst your name calling and insults and your self aggrandization about how you are an awesome Senior Unix Systems Administrator for ~14 years and that you can "verify this with anyone that requires my services."  Which is funny, because a few lines up, you were just saying how this is meaningless and it requires "citations" to be legitimate.  But I  understand, when I say it, it's meaningless, but when you do it, it carries weight.

Then we have a wonderful gem:

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Unlike BFL I have not lied in this entire discussion.

A lie about lying!  Totally Meta Dude!  Far out.

And we have more insults and avoiding any of the questions for the rest of your posts.  Which brings us here.  I hope this recap has helped you understand why you have zero credibility and why you look so stupid.  I suspect it does not, but I had fun going over it again, so I don't really care. Smiley

Good luck to you.  Next time you try to troll a thread, at least have something of substance to spread, instead of ignoring, virtually every single question posed to you.  You just look stupid otherwise.  Maybe you'll use this as a learning lesson, but I doubt it.  

PS - Go look up the definition of "assume."  Once again, you are using a word incorrectly.
mem
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April 27, 2012, 10:23:12 PM
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Please, calm down and stop this already. Your insults and inability to answer directly looks really bad. Even mem who tried to talk politely at first was so embarassed by your style that started returning insults.

Are you mem's sock puppet?  Inability to answer WHAT directly?  I've answered every single question directly.  Mem is the only one that seems incapable of answer any question with something other than "L0lers!  They don't ship in 6 weeks!  OMG!  FAIL!!!1!!"



Go speak in that manner with someone else.

He isnt my sockpuppet but it speaks volumes about your paranoia and insecurity that you assume this.

Popcorn on standby for more of Inaba's epic e-tantrums and wall of crys.

His insults dont phase me, before being a unix sysadmin I ground out the helpdesk dealing with frustrated idiots screeching at me for their own ignorance. You learn to sift through the teeth gnashing to look for substance so you can progress the call. Pretty much the exact same scenario here, ignore 90% of his posts as its just insults, childish tantrums (some adults never learn to manage their own feelings unfortunately), mirroring argument points and mocking people for not believing his argument at face value. So I sift through his hysterics and try to get to the 10% thats actually a valid argument (if any at all).

Good luck to BFL and those that have sunk money into it, I will be investing win the Merrick6 platform for my first 10, the company behind it has a good existing reputation and is being very direct about expected development and shipping times.

I will continue to monitor, raise questions and most importantly ask for citations - Im here to stay when it comes to btc and btc mining (also gambling Wink ) so Im always on the lookout for the next best thing.
Lets hope it really is just a bad product launch thats being made worse by rabid fanboys like inaba.
legendary
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DiabloMiner author
April 27, 2012, 05:25:05 PM
Been looking at em Wink

Still hoping for BFL to speed up shipping,if not I may grab a few Quads instead.

Do they come with a powersupply?? It seems from info on thier website that they may not Sad

They don't I don't think. Then again, thats 38 watts. I don't think I'd like 38 watts going through a barrel plug.
Don't the BFL miners push 82 watts through a barrel plug?

Must be beefier ones then.
legendary
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April 27, 2012, 05:02:05 PM
Been looking at em Wink

Still hoping for BFL to speed up shipping,if not I may grab a few Quads instead.

Do they come with a powersupply?? It seems from info on thier website that they may not Sad

They don't I don't think. Then again, thats 38 watts. I don't think I'd like 38 watts going through a barrel plug.
Don't the BFL miners push 82 watts through a barrel plug?
legendary
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DiabloMiner author
April 27, 2012, 04:51:59 PM
Been looking at em Wink

Still hoping for BFL to speed up shipping,if not I may grab a few Quads instead.

Do they come with a powersupply?? It seems from info on thier website that they may not Sad

They don't I don't think. Then again, thats 38 watts. I don't think I'd like 38 watts going through a barrel plug.
legendary
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April 27, 2012, 04:48:27 PM
Been looking at em Wink

Still hoping for BFL to speed up shipping,if not I may grab a few Quads instead.

Do they come with a powersupply?? It seems from info on thier website that they may not Sad
legendary
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DiabloMiner author
April 27, 2012, 04:29:20 PM
Angry neighborhood bastard mod here.

So, anyone see those new quad FPGA boards ZTEX has? Wink
legendary
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April 27, 2012, 04:23:40 PM


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Wheres my popcorn & soda Cheesy
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April 27, 2012, 04:17:10 PM
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Please, calm down and stop this already. Your insults and inability to answer directly looks really bad. Even mem who tried to talk politely at first was so embarassed by your style that started returning insults.

Are you mem's sock puppet?  Inability to answer WHAT directly?  I've answered every single question directly.  Mem is the only one that seems incapable of answer any question with something other than "L0lers!  They don't ship in 6 weeks!  OMG!  FAIL!!!1!!"



Go speak in that manner with someone else.
legendary
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April 27, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
I wish I had something smart to say, but I dont so instead I'll insult you and agree with my boyfriend

ssssh my butt hurt little friend, if you want to argue with the adults you need to state your case.
The short version: Substance & civility - Share your opinions but dont use them as your argument base Wink

I've seen your conduct in this thread. I see your avatar and the text underneath.  I'd be hard pressed to consider you an adult.  Your points have been discredited and your arguments proved invalid.  Furthermore, arguing is for the weak minded and those incapable of forming and presenting rational thought.  A proper adult would debate.  Feel free to discredit what I've said and continue acting like a child.  Inaba's right, and while I know how hard it is to debate someone who calls out your fallacies and false arguments, it doesn't do you justice to continue acting the way you do.
legendary
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April 27, 2012, 02:51:35 PM
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Please, calm down and stop this already. Your insults and inability to answer directly looks really bad. Even mem who tried to talk politely at first was so embarassed by your style that started returning insults.

Are you mem's sock puppet?  Inability to answer WHAT directly?  I've answered every single question directly.  Mem is the only one that seems incapable of answer any question with something other than "L0lers!  They don't ship in 6 weeks!  OMG!  FAIL!!!1!!"

rjk
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1ngldh
April 27, 2012, 02:37:21 PM
Reading how you are trying to put some wisdom inside a trash can is very painful for me and a big waist of time.
Great analogy. Very pertinent.

Also, here is a video:
http://vimeo.com/41028028
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April 27, 2012, 02:31:23 PM
Reading!  A valuable skill!  Learn it.

Inaba, please, ignore this POS. I have got used to harvest some very useful info from your posts. Reading how you are trying to put some wisdom inside a trash can is very painful for me and a big waist of time.

Please, keep your energy for EclipseMC's further development and more awesome ideas for Bitcoin community.

Most of us really appreciate what you have done so far, are proud for you being a part of this community.

Cheers.
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April 27, 2012, 02:10:30 PM
...No one agrees with you.  Virtually everyone agrees that you are an idiot...

Come on dude. 1st part of quotation is either lie or inability to read / understand what is written, cause at least I see that mem is reasonable and agree with his doubts, so "no one" is plain wrong (or dont you know meaning of "no one"?).
2nd part is an argument is good for pre-school kids. Strange kids supporting you and miserably barking at mem don't give mem less credibility or his opposition less.

Please, calm down and stop this already. Your insults and inability to answer directly looks really bad. Even mem who tried to talk politely at first was so embarassed by your style that started returning insults.
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April 27, 2012, 01:52:41 PM
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You were unable to bring anything more to the table beyond the shipping date.

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What exactly is the defence for lying about the shipping dates, Im curious.
Short and succinct would nice if you can manage it.

Reading!  A valuable skill!  Learn it.


Don't forget reading comprehension.  It's entirely necessary to the skill of being able to read.
legendary
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April 27, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
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You were unable to bring anything more to the table beyond the shipping date.

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What exactly is the defence for lying about the shipping dates, Im curious.
Short and succinct would nice if you can manage it.

Reading!  A valuable skill!  Learn it.
mem
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Herp Derp PTY LTD
April 27, 2012, 10:49:57 AM
I already defended it.

What exactly is the defence for lying about the shipping dates, Im curious.
Short and succinct would nice if you can manage it.
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