Topic: I visited BFL, any questions ? - page 8. (Read 14888 times)
What about their Dwolla payment option ? any draw back top using it ?
Trying to order a Mini-Rig, they have sent me very lousy bank details, when I tell them I need SWIFT number and IBAN number for Internatinal transfer, they say the have no idea what these are.
I have doubt about trusting these people now.
North American banks don't use IBAN numbers. At least for mine, you concat the institution number, transit number and account number together, not necessarily in that order. That's not a BFL think, it's just an issue sending wires between Europe and NA. They should know what a SWIFT number is though, although that is sometimes labeled differently here. My bank calls the SWIFT number the BIC.I have doubt about trusting these people now.
NA Banks don't use IBAN/SWIFT, they use a Clearing Code and/or Fedwire/ABA code.
They do use SWIFT codes ! Here the information i got from Sonny:
Bank name: XXX
Bank address: XXX
Swift: XXX
ABA / Routing: XXX
Account Name: XXX
Account Number: XXX
Account Address: XXX
If you call that lousy you have no idea !
Edit: Account information removed on request of BFL
Trying to order a Mini-Rig, they have sent me very lousy bank details, when I tell them I need SWIFT number and IBAN number for Internatinal transfer, they say the have no idea what these are.
I have doubt about trusting these people now.
North American banks don't use IBAN numbers. At least for mine, you concat the institution number, transit number and account number together, not necessarily in that order. That's not a BFL think, it's just an issue sending wires between Europe and NA. They should know what a SWIFT number is though, although that is sometimes labeled differently here. My bank calls the SWIFT number the BIC.I have doubt about trusting these people now.
NA Banks don't use IBAN/SWIFT, they use a Clearing Code and/or Fedwire/ABA code.
Trying to order a Mini-Rig, they have sent me very lousy bank details, when I tell them I need SWIFT number and IBAN number for Internatinal transfer, they say the have no idea what these are.
I have doubt about trusting these people now.
I have doubt about trusting these people now.
You should be fine with the details provided by BFL. My payment went smoothly and bank's staff knew how to process it without SWIFT or IBAN.
As far as shipping dates goes, they seem to be hitting their targets lately, they are saying 15 weeks on MR's, which puts you into August, so we'll see if they are accurate there.
They haven't hit any of the shipping targets yet... they're still shipping out January orders, haven't even touched the February orders. All of the units have been shipped > 6 weeks after being ordered thus far. Trying to order a Mini-Rig, they have sent me very lousy bank details, when I tell them I need SWIFT number and IBAN number for Internatinal transfer, they say the have no idea what these are.
I have doubt about trusting these people now.
North American banks don't use IBAN numbers. At least for mine, you concat the institution number, transit number and account number together, not necessarily in that order. That's not a BFL think, it's just an issue sending wires between Europe and NA. They should know what a SWIFT number is though, although that is sometimes labeled differently here. My bank calls the SWIFT number the BIC. I have doubt about trusting these people now.
Trying to order a Mini-Rig, they have sent me very lousy bank details, when I tell them I need SWIFT number and IBAN number for Internatinal transfer, they say the have no idea what these are.
I have doubt about trusting these people now.
I have doubt about trusting these people now.
Don't worry about it.
Just hand over the money to them.
I am sure they will deliver !!!
Maybe you spoke to the Ninja old lady ( people of her age don't usually know what SWIFT / IBAN is
) so try asking / calling again and ask for Sonny maybe ...
Trying to order a Mini-Rig, they have sent me very lousy bank details, when I tell them I need SWIFT number and IBAN number for Internatinal transfer, they say the have no idea what these are.
I have doubt about trusting these people now.
I have doubt about trusting these people now.
I will take you up on that bet, DT. Absolutely. Order that single today and and show me a receipt of the order and we'll see on the 24th if you have one for free or not.
Will do.
Wait,
the one that orders has to be unknown to BFL, otherwise BFL could just send out a unit to show it can deliver.
spiccioli.
Gosh!
sometimes I completely forget that there is a real life out there
spiccioli
For instance, the (now defunct) company registration under "BF Labs" in Wyoming because of tax reasons and it's supposedly the place to be for Furtune 500 companies.
Wyoming is a very odd choice for tax reasons. And there are no Fortune 500 incorporations in Wyoming. Heck, we don't even know if this is really their own business registration and they are not just pointing at it.
Wyoming is a very odd choice for tax reasons. And there are no Fortune 500 incorporations in Wyoming. Heck, we don't even know if this is really their own business registration and they are not just pointing at it.
Just on your point about Wyoming... Wyoming was the first state to allow formation of LLC's, thus it has the most established case law. Many lawyers still recommend "incorporating" as a Wyoming LLC. For more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_liability_company and do a find-in-page on Wyoming.
Yeah like it's going to say "DeathAndTaxes" on the shipping label heh.
I don't get the joke. Death A. Taxes is my legal name.
Still I think people in this thread might get a little suspicious if I get my order before they get theirs.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-single-order-dateship-date-67887
I will take you up on that bet, DT. Absolutely. Order that single today and and show me a receipt of the order and we'll see on the 24th if you have one for free or not.
Will do.
Wait,
the one that orders has to be unknown to BFL, otherwise BFL could just send out a unit to show it can deliver.
spiccioli.
I will take you up on that bet, DT. Absolutely. Order that single today and and show me a receipt of the order and we'll see on the 24th if you have one for free or not.
Will do.
Wait,
the one that orders has to be unknown to BFL, otherwise BFL could just send out a unit to show it can deliver.
spiccioli.
I will take you up on that bet, DT. Absolutely. Order that single today and and show me a receipt of the order and we'll see on the 24th if you have one for free or not.
Ordered. PM sent for receipt.
I may be the only person w/ an ordered Single which is hoping it arrives in >43 days.
I will take you up on that bet, DT. Absolutely. Order that single today and and show me a receipt of the order and we'll see on the 24th if you have one for free or not.
You think they are on "target"? How about a bet? I will buy a Single today and if it ships in <6 weeks I pay you $600 (or equiv in BTC). If it doesn't you pay me $600. Why $600? Well because I am 100% convinced I would get the Single for free I just won't be getting it in no 6 weeks.
At this point, I'd take you up on it, but I need the money elsewhere, not sitting in escrow for 6 weeks. 
I walked past the future offices of BFL twelve years ago, ask me anything....
Joking aside, the reason people were excited about this thread and subsequently disappointed with its lack of useful information is that BFL is NOT transparent. If they want people to trust them, they need to be a lot more open about their business. If they know they are going to be late with shipments, be HONEST about it. If they have only 150 units for this batch and anyone ordering now won't get theirs until August, BE HONEST about it. We can handle the truth.
Why is there so much secrecy surrounding this company? Why doesn't "sonny" reveal his real name? Are they dealing with gray market or worse, goods that they would be ashamed to admit they are using that they have to sand the part numbers off of? Are they worried about retaliation? From whom? Are they worried about the Feds? The IRS? Are they worried about us? All very strange.
Joking aside, the reason people were excited about this thread and subsequently disappointed with its lack of useful information is that BFL is NOT transparent. If they want people to trust them, they need to be a lot more open about their business. If they know they are going to be late with shipments, be HONEST about it. If they have only 150 units for this batch and anyone ordering now won't get theirs until August, BE HONEST about it. We can handle the truth.
Why is there so much secrecy surrounding this company? Why doesn't "sonny" reveal his real name? Are they dealing with gray market or worse, goods that they would be ashamed to admit they are using that they have to sand the part numbers off of? Are they worried about retaliation? From whom? Are they worried about the Feds? The IRS? Are they worried about us? All very strange.
there is nothing strange about it, you give them money , they give you equipment. It is a two sided equation, I'm happy as a customer, they are happy as the manifacturer, you are not in the equation , please stop trolling, and I also completely agree with what Inaba said above.
Have they incorrectly estimated ship and development time in the past? Yes, of course. But have they been dishonest about it? No. They did not understand exactly what they were getting into in the beginning, yes they are guilty of ignorance.
As far as shipping dates goes, they seem to be hitting their targets lately, they are saying 15 weeks on MR's, which puts you into August, so we'll see if they are accurate there.
As far as shipping dates goes, they seem to be hitting their targets lately, they are saying 15 weeks on MR's, which puts you into August, so we'll see if they are accurate there.
Come on this is just asinine. THEY ARE STILL SAYING 4-6 weeks for a single.
As far as "meeting shipping targets". Not one single order has shipped in <6 weeks. How exactly is that meeting targets?
It wasn't they were wrong about shipping back in Nov and then quickly provided more realistic estimates.
In Oct offered boards for delivery in 4-6 weeks for new orders.
In Nov (nothing had shipped and they realized their performance/power estimates were way) knowing it would require new boards guaranteed delivery on new orders in 4-6 weeks.
In Dec (nothing had shipped) still guaranteed delivery on new orders in 4-6 weeks.
In Jan (nothing had shipped and they had delays due to Chinese new year) still guaranteed delivery on new orders in 4-6 weeks.
In Feb finally shipped the first boards had huge backlog and ... still guaranteed delivery on new orders in 4-6 weeks.
In March had some delays, very early (up to Dec) boards shipped and ... still guaranteed delivery on new orders in 4-6 weeks.
In April the January orders (mostly?) shipped but they haven't even touched the Feb, March, April orders but new orders ... still guaranteed delivery on new orders in 4-6 weeks.
99% of the complaints against BFL are just stupid but defending their shipping timelines and saying they are "meeting shipping targets" is just as stupid.
You think they are on "target"? How about a bet? I will buy a Single today and if it ships in <6 weeks I pay you $600 (or equiv in BTC). If it doesn't you pay me $600. Why $600? Well because I am 100% convinced I would get the Single for free I just won't be getting it in no 6 weeks.
Joking aside, the reason people were excited about this thread and subsequently disappointed with its lack of useful information is that BFL is NOT transparent. If they want people to trust them, they need to be a lot more open about their business. If they know they are going to be late with shipments, be HONEST about it. If they have only 150 units for this batch and anyone ordering now won't get theirs until August, BE HONEST about it. We can handle the truth.
WTF, seriously? Are you trolling or just an idiot naturally? They are perfectly open about their business. Have they incorrectly estimated ship and development time in the past? Yes, of course. But have they been dishonest about it? No. They did not understand exactly what they were getting into in the beginning, yes they are guilty of ignorance.
As far as shipping dates goes, they seem to be hitting their targets lately, they are saying 15 weeks on MR's, which puts you into August, so we'll see if they are accurate there.
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Why is there so much secrecy surrounding this company? Why doesn't "sonny" reveal his real name? Are they dealing with gray market or worse, goods that they would be ashamed to admit they are using that they have to sand the part numbers off of? Are they worried about retaliation? From whom? Are they worried about the Feds? The IRS? Are they worried about us? All very strange.
What secrecy? Sonny is his real name, what ever gave you the idea it wasn't? With people like you on the forums, it's a wonder he even has given his real name. Posts like yours are so tiring... they are so full of bullshit, lies and half-truths that are completely disconnected from reality, it's almost painful. I question how it's even possible to become so misinformed in the first place if you've even read 1/100 of the posts made already. You keep spouting the same shit you heard from someone else who was just as misinformed as you now are. If you don't know something first hand, take your hands off the keyboard, step back and refrain from posting, since you don't know shit, your opinion is irrelevant.
Above all else, if you don't like them, don't trust them, hate them, etc... DON'T BUY THEIR EQUIPMENT! Quit bitching about it. Vote with your dollars and go elsewhere. They don't need your business, and probably don't even want it even if they did. As you've so conveniently pointed out by reference, they have more business than they can handle at the moment, so you not buying anything from them is not going to cause a problem, so stop bitching.
I walked past the future offices of BFL twelve years ago, ask me anything....
Joking aside, the reason people were excited about this thread and subsequently disappointed with its lack of useful information is that BFL is NOT transparent. If they want people to trust them, they need to be a lot more open about their business. If they know they are going to be late with shipments, be HONEST about it. If they have only 150 units for this batch and anyone ordering now won't get theirs until August, BE HONEST about it. We can handle the truth.
Why is there so much secrecy surrounding this company? Why doesn't "sonny" reveal his real name? Are they dealing with gray market or worse, goods that they would be ashamed to admit they are using that they have to sand the part numbers off of? Are they worried about retaliation? From whom? Are they worried about the Feds? The IRS? Are they worried about us? All very strange.
Joking aside, the reason people were excited about this thread and subsequently disappointed with its lack of useful information is that BFL is NOT transparent. If they want people to trust them, they need to be a lot more open about their business. If they know they are going to be late with shipments, be HONEST about it. If they have only 150 units for this batch and anyone ordering now won't get theirs until August, BE HONEST about it. We can handle the truth.
Why is there so much secrecy surrounding this company? Why doesn't "sonny" reveal his real name? Are they dealing with gray market or worse, goods that they would be ashamed to admit they are using that they have to sand the part numbers off of? Are they worried about retaliation? From whom? Are they worried about the Feds? The IRS? Are they worried about us? All very strange.
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