you lost 500,000$
Not sure how i would react if i was losing this amount.
Not sure how i would react if i was losing this amount.
$750.000 allready.
Topic: I was hacked (1170btc stolen) - 500btc max BOUNTY - page 11. (Read 35693 times)
$750.000 allready.
Hello. I've been asked about explanation.
Yes, the hacker used our service. Yes, he already got new coins. Please read more how our service works: https://bitmixer.io/how.html
Can we tell you forward addresses where new coins have been transferred to? No. We really don't know. We completely delete all order's data after 12 hours. I'm sorry that someone lost their bitcoins. I understand this is a crime. But if our service can't protect criminal, it will not be able to protect you too.
Regards,
This is very understandable - but what about any new attempts he may make? Will you stop these? Yes, the hacker used our service. Yes, he already got new coins. Please read more how our service works: https://bitmixer.io/how.html
Can we tell you forward addresses where new coins have been transferred to? No. We really don't know. We completely delete all order's data after 12 hours. I'm sorry that someone lost their bitcoins. I understand this is a crime. But if our service can't protect criminal, it will not be able to protect you too.
Regards,
Hello. I've been asked about explanation.
Yes, the hacker used our service. Yes, he already got new coins. Please read more how our service works: https://bitmixer.io/how.html
Can we tell you forward addresses where new coins have been transferred to? No. We really don't know. We completely delete all order's data after 12 hours. I'm sorry that someone lost their bitcoins. I understand this is a crime. But if our service can't protect criminal, it will not be able to protect you too.
Regards,
Yes, the hacker used our service. Yes, he already got new coins. Please read more how our service works: https://bitmixer.io/how.html
Can we tell you forward addresses where new coins have been transferred to? No. We really don't know. We completely delete all order's data after 12 hours. I'm sorry that someone lost their bitcoins. I understand this is a crime. But if our service can't protect criminal, it will not be able to protect you too.
Regards,
Someone send me an email via this service:
https://www.guerrillamail.com
I replied to him but I am not sure he will get the message
https://www.guerrillamail.com
I replied to him but I am not sure he will get the message
I've used this site many times, it's actually how I learned about bitcoin. As long as he/she still has the window open they should get it. He/she could also recreate the box at a later time and receive the email, but not sure how much later.
Edit: it looks like mail is kept for an hour. Logs for 24.
Someone send me an email via this service:
https://www.guerrillamail.com
I replied to him but I am not sure he will get the message
https://www.guerrillamail.com
I replied to him but I am not sure he will get the message
How did you guys not foresee that when the coins hit the mixer, it's a dead end? Mixers have been around for quite a while, their sole purpose is to clean the laundered coins. Pay a tiny fee to mix up the coins and get the same ones back, or pay more to receive completely different coins.
Knowing their customer would defeat the purpose ...
That's true, I saw that transaction yesterday and informed bitmixer, got this reply from them.
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"We delete all client's data after 12 hours. So you only can analyze blockhain to find outgoing transactions."
Bitcoin is the opposite of the current fiat currency system in every way. For the puposes of what we are discussing now:
Gov/Fiat system: accounts are kind of private (except for just about any gov agency that wants to see them), who owns the accounts is public
Bitcoin: accounts and all transactions are all public (public ledger), who owns the accounts must be private or the system will not work.
If you do not agree then Bitcoin is not for you, so please go back to the safety and security of government issued fiat.
Enough off topic. Please start another thread. Thanks.
Gov/Fiat system: accounts are kind of private (except for just about any gov agency that wants to see them), who owns the accounts is public
Bitcoin: accounts and all transactions are all public (public ledger), who owns the accounts must be private or the system will not work.
If you do not agree then Bitcoin is not for you, so please go back to the safety and security of government issued fiat.
Enough off topic. Please start another thread. Thanks.
As far as I understand, the purpose could be to hide Your money from other peers (old partners so on, who could explore blockchain), not from trusted 3rd party especially which does this hiding
And for honest person it is nothing to hide. For dummies You could always create several address and claime you sold btc for pizza )
PS. I believe governments will grow with idea to provide each citizen with official btc address and to oblige receiving salary there as well as paying taxes from there - it would be very convenient for them ) and no hiding from authorities as in the banking system
And for honest person it is nothing to hide. For dummies You could always create several address and claime you sold btc for pizza )
PS. I believe governments will grow with idea to provide each citizen with official btc address and to oblige receiving salary there as well as paying taxes from there - it would be very convenient for them ) and no hiding from authorities as in the banking system
If you really believe that please post all of your bank account, savings account and other account numbers here so we can all see exactly how much you have in your accounts and exactly how much money you make.
Think.
Thanks.
Haven't You heard about publicly available tax declarations? or real estate registries? The matter is You do not provide thieves with info where to steal money, just legalizing Your incomes in civilized society to spend them in this society. ON THE OTHER HAND Your living address should obviously be hidden. So we should protect our lives and health by hiding info - money should not be hidden, but accounted and smartly invested.
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He put in all the stolen coins and got back totally unrelated coins, minus the fee.
No, less than 10% is processed to small chunks, other sit in 3 main addresses ( could find here https://blockchain.info/tree/60074944) but they will also go as new clients like sp1 will create enough demand on them ((( authorities should ban mixing services or this services should know their customers!
He is done mixing the coins. We are just seeing the process of choping up his input coins into managable chunks for later use by the mixer as outputs for other customers.
How about this:
I believe it is one of the failings of the design of Bitcoin and the original work done by Satoshi that the Bitcoin network does not automatically mix all coins in all transactions!
That is the opposite of your opinion, expressed here:
authorities should ban mixing services or this services should know their customers!
You will see authorities fighting darkcoin for that reason )
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He put in all the stolen coins and got back totally unrelated coins, minus the fee.
No, less than 10% is processed to small chunks, other sit in 3 main addresses ( could find here https://blockchain.info/tree/60074944) but they will also go as new clients like sp1 will create enough demand on them ((( authorities should ban mixing services or this services should know their customers!
There will always be mixing services on the darknet. How about instead of suggesting more regulation,
we focus on education and security?
In terms of security and usability (no offline if You use btc), I would provide such a scheme: 1) each btc exchange/mining pool - new email (prefferably with 2fa, but not obvious); 2) configuring resending messages from emails - mostly for approving payments; 3) Do not logging at that emails as well as do not receiving any other messages there, only from knowh btc services 4) establish 2fa for login at btc exchange/mining pool (with google auth saved and .zip encrypted at some mail with unsuspicious topic of letter sent to yourselves with zip included) 5) establish 3fa for withdrawals with sms code 6) some codes for emails back up in cold storage or in parolled zip at other email
Mixing report
Chunk of 539 BTC: 5.50% done
Chunk of 410 BTC: 9.51% done
Chunk of 221 BTC: 8.97% done
I do not know if the mixing service he is using releases the cleaned coins back to him in stages during the process or waits until they are all done before payout.
Someone out there sent user cp1 a 0.00924 BTC tip through the same mixing service. If the person that sent the mixed tip to cp1 would just let us know which mixing service they used, then we would know which mixing service the thief is using.
They would have sent the tip to this address, through the same mixer:
https://blockchain.info/address/1TipMeWsx7KNoX6Lap3Vh3PM8B8EYuRJj
Chunk of 539 BTC: 5.50% done
Chunk of 410 BTC: 9.51% done
Chunk of 221 BTC: 8.97% done
I do not know if the mixing service he is using releases the cleaned coins back to him in stages during the process or waits until they are all done before payout.
Someone out there sent user cp1 a 0.00924 BTC tip through the same mixing service. If the person that sent the mixed tip to cp1 would just let us know which mixing service they used, then we would know which mixing service the thief is using.
They would have sent the tip to this address, through the same mixer:
https://blockchain.info/address/1TipMeWsx7KNoX6Lap3Vh3PM8B8EYuRJj
That's the weekly payment for my sig, which is for the Bitmixer.io mixing service. So the hacker is using this service which must mix it with their own coins and pay their signature campaign from that pool. You should contact the operator (BITMIXER.IO on these forums).
As far as I understand, the purpose could be to hide Your money from other peers (old partners so on, who could explore blockchain), not from trusted 3rd party especially which does this hiding
And for honest person it is nothing to hide. For dummies You could always create several address and claime you sold btc for pizza )
PS. I believe governments will grow with idea to provide each citizen with official btc address and to oblige receiving salary there as well as paying taxes from there - it would be very convenient for them ) and no hiding from authorities as in the banking system
And for honest person it is nothing to hide. For dummies You could always create several address and claime you sold btc for pizza )
PS. I believe governments will grow with idea to provide each citizen with official btc address and to oblige receiving salary there as well as paying taxes from there - it would be very convenient for them ) and no hiding from authorities as in the banking system
If you really believe that please post all of your bank account, savings account and other account numbers here so we can all see exactly how much you have in your accounts and exactly how much money you make.
Think.
Thanks.
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He put in all the stolen coins and got back totally unrelated coins, minus the fee.
No, less than 10% is processed to small chunks, other sit in 3 main addresses ( could find here https://blockchain.info/tree/60074944) but they will also go as new clients like sp1 will create enough demand on them ((( authorities should ban mixing services or this services should know their customers!
Knowing their customer would defeat the purpose ...
As far as I understand, the purpose could be to hide Your money from other peers (old partners so on, who could explore blockchain), not from trusted 3rd party especially which does this hiding
And for honest person it is nothing to hide. For dummies You could always create several address and claime you sold btc for pizza )
PS. I believe governments will grow with idea to provide each citizen with official btc address and to oblige receiving salary there as well as paying taxes from there - it would be very convenient for them ) and no hiding from authorities as in the banking system
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He put in all the stolen coins and got back totally unrelated coins, minus the fee.
No, less than 10% is processed to small chunks, other sit in 3 main addresses ( could find here https://blockchain.info/tree/60074944) but they will also go as new clients like sp1 will create enough demand on them ((( authorities should ban mixing services or this services should know their customers!
He is done mixing the coins. We are just seeing the process of choping up his input coins into managable chunks for later use by the mixer as outputs for other customers.
How about this:
I believe it is one of the failings of the design of Bitcoin and the original work done by Satoshi that the Bitcoin network does not automatically mix all coins in all transactions!
That is the opposite of your opinion, expressed here:
authorities should ban mixing services or this services should know their customers!
sp1 is advertising bitmixer.io
Someone out there sent user cp1 a 0.00924 BTC tip through the same mixing service. If the person that sent the mixed tip to cp1 would just let us know which mixing service they used, then we would know which mixing service the thief is using.
They would have sent the tip to this address, through the same mixer:
https://blockchain.info/address/1TipMeWsx7KNoX6Lap3Vh3PM8B8EYuRJj
They would have sent the tip to this address, through the same mixer:
https://blockchain.info/address/1TipMeWsx7KNoX6Lap3Vh3PM8B8EYuRJj
https://www.google.rs/?gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei=9-TBU6-PFqqAywO9l4HwCA#q=1TipMeWsx7KNoX6Lap3Vh3PM8B8EYuRJj ( Check all results )
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cp1-101205
What would be nice to know is what mixing service was used to send cp1 the small 0.00924 BTC ($6) tip. That would help us because the same mixing service is being used by the thief.
cp1 is not related to the thief in any way. The person that sent him the tip is not related to the thief in any way. cp1 most likely does not know who sent him the tip. The person that sent the tip would have to step forward and let us know which mixing service he used.
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He put in all the stolen coins and got back totally unrelated coins, minus the fee.
No, less than 10% is processed to small chunks, other sit in 3 main addresses ( could find here https://blockchain.info/tree/60074944) but they will also go as new clients like sp1 will create enough demand on them ((( authorities should ban mixing services or this services should know their customers!
There will always be mixing services on the darknet. How about instead of suggesting more regulation,
we focus on education and security?
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He put in all the stolen coins and got back totally unrelated coins, minus the fee.
No, less than 10% is processed to small chunks, other sit in 3 main addresses ( could find here https://blockchain.info/tree/60074944) but they will also go as new clients like sp1 will create enough demand on them ((( authorities should ban mixing services or this services should know their customers!
I think this address is one of bitmixer hot wallet so it is not a big secret now ) look at its dynamics from March.
Totally unrelated coins will go to several address or thousands of addresses?
Totally unrelated coins will go to several address or thousands of addresses?
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