I was hacked (1170btc stolen) - 500btc max BOUNTY - page 12.

BurtW

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I got this message through PM and I thought my answer might be interesting to others:

Quote from: BurtW on July 13, 2014, 02:24:10 AM

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hi,

what have You read about bitmixer?

I found more than 7 outputs sitting here 16R14EH4v8A9GPXkAAP8gcMFBA8oxA8nbY Provided klee with that info in PM

That address is well known with criminals on the Internet

That is expected.

He put in all the stolen coins and got back totally unrelated coins, minus the fee.

His stolen coins will and are being used to make payouts for other people so that their input coins are unrelated to their outputs. Since some criminals (besides him) are using the system then it is expected that some of the stolen coins will be used for payouts for some other criminals in the system to known criminal addresses.

However, the important point is that there is no way to trace our thief through this system because he has already been paid out by coins totally unrelated to anything we can trace from the inputs.

BurtW

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Quote from: horcoff on July 12, 2014, 09:01:43 PM

s cp1 is advertising bitmixer.io

After reading up on how bitmixer works I believe that it is the service the thief is using. The payment to cp1 may in fact just be an affiliate or signature payment. Thanks for noticing the signature. Sometimes the most obvious things are missed (by me).

Trying to trace the coins through this mixer is a dead end.

Wow this bitmixer service is cheap:

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Our current fee is 0.5% plus 0.0005 BTC for every forward address.

So to mix the stolen 1170 coins and get back totally unrelated coins he only paid about 6 BTC!

Sydboy

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I would be in tears. then cut myself repeatedly.
seriously.

poor OP. I feel their pain.

Quote from: cozk on July 11, 2014, 09:09:22 AM

you lost 500,000$

Not sure how i would react if i was losing this amount.

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sp1 is advertising bitmixer.io

BurtW

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Quote from: KeyserSozeMC on July 12, 2014, 08:47:47 PM

Quote from: BurtW on July 12, 2014, 08:32:17 PM

Someone out there sent user cp1 a 0.00924 BTC tip through the same mixing service. If the person that sent the mixed tip to cp1 would just let us know which mixing service they used, then we would know which mixing service the thief is using.

They would have sent the tip to this address, through the same mixer:

https://blockchain.info/address/1TipMeWsx7KNoX6Lap3Vh3PM8B8EYuRJj

https://www.google.rs/?gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei=9-TBU6-PFqqAywO9l4HwCA#q=1TipMeWsx7KNoX6Lap3Vh3PM8B8EYuRJj ( Check all results )

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cp1-101205

Yes, I know that the address 1TipMeWsx7KNoX6Lap3Vh3PM8B8EYuRJj belongs to cp1. Is there something else you are trying to contribute?

What would be nice to know is what mixing service was used to send cp1 the small 0.00924 BTC ($6) tip. That would help us because the same mixing service is being used by the thief.

cp1 is not related to the thief in any way. The person that sent him the tip is not related to the thief in any way. cp1 most likely does not know who sent him the tip. The person that sent the tip would have to step forward and let us know which mixing service he used.

KeyserSozeMC

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I'm dying.

Quote from: BurtW on July 12, 2014, 08:32:17 PM

Mixing report

Chunk of 539 BTC: 5.50% done

Chunk of 410 BTC: 9.51% done

Chunk of 221 BTC: 8.97% done

I do not know if the mixing service he is using releases the cleaned coins back to him in stages during the process or waits until they are all done before payout.

Someone out there sent user cp1 a 0.00924 BTC tip through the same mixing service. If the person that sent the mixed tip to cp1 would just let us know which mixing service they used, then we would know which mixing service the thief is using.

They would have sent the tip to this address, through the same mixer:

https://blockchain.info/address/1TipMeWsx7KNoX6Lap3Vh3PM8B8EYuRJj

https://www.google.rs/?gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei=9-TBU6-PFqqAywO9l4HwCA#q=1TipMeWsx7KNoX6Lap3Vh3PM8B8EYuRJj ( Check all results )

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cp1-101205

BurtW

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Mixing report

Chunk of 539 BTC: 5.50% done

Chunk of 410 BTC: 9.51% done

Chunk of 221 BTC: 8.97% done

I do not know if the mixing service he is using releases the cleaned coins back to him in stages during the process or waits until they are all done before payout.

Someone out there sent user cp1 a 0.00924 BTC tip through the same mixing service. If the person that sent the mixed tip to cp1 would just let us know which mixing service they used, then we would know which mixing service the thief is using.

They would have sent the tip to this address, through the same mixer:

https://blockchain.info/address/1TipMeWsx7KNoX6Lap3Vh3PM8B8EYuRJj

STT

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Srsly

For that amount of bounty you can probably phone some big guns on this. Screw making yet another alt coin, people who know their stuff should be on this and probably not just this forum but an agency that can source/advertise relevant bodies

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Quote from: jeffthebaker on July 12, 2014, 07:01:21 PM

Damn that absolutely blows... I really hope a miracle happens and the thief does something incredibly stupid to get himself revealed.

He may already have. In addition to the BTC theft, Klee also had 6 million NXT lifted, which the thief moved on to BTER.
BTER are being co-operative and have frozen the account, and I'd be very interested to see what sort of info they have logged for the thiefs trading account and if they are prepared to release it.....now that could be comedy gold.

Like I've said before....he can run, but hiding is gonna be a little bit more difficult.

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I also fail to see any "comedy gold" here. Obviously, basic tenants of Bitcoin security cannot be repeated often enough if we still have incidents like this happening.

pirsquared

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on July 12, 2014, 07:20:00 PM

Quote from: pirsquared on July 12, 2014, 07:06:14 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 12, 2014, 06:49:43 PM

Quote from: pirsquared on July 12, 2014, 06:43:40 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on July 12, 2014, 06:37:17 PM

Quote from: pirsquared on July 12, 2014, 06:33:16 PM

AA may be one the few decent humans left in the BTC world. The day he leaves blockchain.info is the day I leave bitcoin altogether.

lol who?

Andreas Antonopoulis = AA

No disrespect, but I don't think you really understand Andreas' message
if you would say that. One the key points he always makes is that
Bitcoin is a consensus algorithm in which you don't NEED people to be honest.

I agree, Andreas is a great mind and stand up guy. But Bitcoin will
work the same with or without him... and who cares if he leaves
the Blockchain company?

Bitcoin is about the technology not about the personalities
of key people. And this theft, while tragic, also serves to
reflect the fact that the system doesn't work if used
improperly.

I agree with you. My previous statement was a kneejerk comment based upon issues that both I and others have had with third party services. I am fully confident in bitcoin as both a network protocol and a means of exchange. It is still pertinent and valid to consider AA's exodus from the foundation. For whatever reason, we still need trusted third parties to help simplify an otherwise trustless system. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.

Now, let's get on to helping this fella get his coin back.

Comedy gold right here.

Could the echo chamber get any worse?

I had to wiki "echo chamber" to understand your comment; but I still don't understand your comment. I think the discussion you would like to have is best left out of this thread. The OP may have lost a chunk of change here, and posters should avoid posting self-promoting and distracting information. This is the last time I will be guilty of such a thing. PM me if you would like to elaborate.

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Quote from: pirsquared on July 12, 2014, 07:06:14 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 12, 2014, 06:49:43 PM

Quote from: pirsquared on July 12, 2014, 06:43:40 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on July 12, 2014, 06:37:17 PM

Quote from: pirsquared on July 12, 2014, 06:33:16 PM

AA may be one the few decent humans left in the BTC world. The day he leaves blockchain.info is the day I leave bitcoin altogether.

lol who?

Andreas Antonopoulis = AA

No disrespect, but I don't think you really understand Andreas' message
if you would say that. One the key points he always makes is that
Bitcoin is a consensus algorithm in which you don't NEED people to be honest.

I agree, Andreas is a great mind and stand up guy. But Bitcoin will
work the same with or without him... and who cares if he leaves
the Blockchain company?

Bitcoin is about the technology not about the personalities
of key people. And this theft, while tragic, also serves to
reflect the fact that the system doesn't work if used
improperly.

I agree with you. My previous statement was a kneejerk comment based upon issues that both I and others have had with third party services. I am fully confident in bitcoin as both a network protocol and a means of exchange. It is still pertinent and valid to consider AA's exodus from the foundation. For whatever reason, we still need trusted third parties to help simplify an otherwise trustless system. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.

Now, let's get on to helping this fella get his coin back.

Comedy gold right here.

Could the echo chamber get any worse?

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Quote from: DannyElfman on July 12, 2014, 05:06:09 PM

Quote from: The Avenger on July 12, 2014, 03:32:35 PM

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It looks like they are in a mixer.

All he is doing is breaking them down into multiple multiple smaller amounts with a script (which seems to break every so often, as we are up to 10 confirmations on the 400BTC and 210BTC). The origins of the coins are still clear, so no mixing is happening.

He may not be confident to use a mixer, as he may not sure if the mixing service will freeze his funds (obviously stolen funds).

Have BITMIXER.IO made any comment on whether they are happy to mix obviously stolen coins?
...

It would be very irresponsible to not mix stolen funds like that. It would put into question the fungibility of bitcoin. With that being said they very well could keep logs of the transactions of the thief and disclose what the ultimate output address is.

500BTC is a lot more than 0.5% fee of 1170BTC.

I don't imagine anyone who sets up a bitcoin ~~laundering~~ mixer operation is a trustworthy member of society, so they might easily screw the hacker over for that reward.

The hacker really can trust NO ONE. Paranoia will be his only friend from now on.

st4nl3y

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Is he still alive and well?

pirsquared

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 12, 2014, 06:49:43 PM

Quote from: pirsquared on July 12, 2014, 06:43:40 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on July 12, 2014, 06:37:17 PM

Quote from: pirsquared on July 12, 2014, 06:33:16 PM

AA may be one the few decent humans left in the BTC world. The day he leaves blockchain.info is the day I leave bitcoin altogether.

lol who?

Andreas Antonopoulis = AA

No disrespect, but I don't think you really understand Andreas' message
if you would say that. One the key points he always makes is that
Bitcoin is a consensus algorithm in which you don't NEED people to be honest.

I agree, Andreas is a great mind and stand up guy. But Bitcoin will
work the same with or without him... and who cares if he leaves
the Blockchain company?

Bitcoin is about the technology not about the personalities
of key people. And this theft, while tragic, also serves to
reflect the fact that the system doesn't work if used
improperly.

I agree with you. My previous statement was a kneejerk comment based upon issues that both I and others have had with third party services. I am fully confident in bitcoin as both a network protocol and a means of exchange. It is still pertinent and valid to consider AA's exodus from the foundation. For whatever reason, we still need trusted third parties to help simplify an otherwise trustless system. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.

Now, let's get on to helping this fella get his coin back.

jeffthebaker

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Damn that absolutely blows... I really hope a miracle happens and the thief does something incredibly stupid to get himself revealed.

jonald_fyookball

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Quote from: pirsquared on July 12, 2014, 06:43:40 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on July 12, 2014, 06:37:17 PM

Quote from: pirsquared on July 12, 2014, 06:33:16 PM

AA may be one the few decent humans left in the BTC world. The day he leaves blockchain.info is the day I leave bitcoin altogether.

lol who?

Andreas Antonopoulis = AA

No disrespect, but I don't think you really understand Andreas' message
if you would say that. One the key points he always makes is that
Bitcoin is a consensus algorithm in which you don't NEED people to be honest.

I agree, Andreas is a great mind and stand up guy. But Bitcoin will
work the same with or without him... and who cares if he leaves
the Blockchain company?

Bitcoin is about the technology not about the personalities
of key people. And this theft, while tragic, also serves to
reflect the fact that the system doesn't work if used
improperly.

EvilDave

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Quote from: barwizi on July 12, 2014, 05:45:07 PM

Not to give the guy too many ideas, or encourage others on the forum, but I just want to point out that this is incorrect.

Let me use an example:-

In short

1) send a multitude of periodic transactions to obscure exchanges with small amounts to different accounts, maybe use new ones every time ( there are tons of other exchanges now, much smaller and discreet than the big ones, all reputable)
2) Sell coins and send fiat to numbered accounts of unregistered visa cards
3) Go to ATMs and cash out
4) As an extra layer of security, rotate the ATMs you use.

And to top it all off, there is no guarantee the hacker is in a jurisdiction in which the hackeds' country's laws have effect, so even if you find him, short of illegal means, there is little recourse.

This is kind of my point: when the hacker is located, there will be plenty of people who will be prepared to operate outside the legal system to affect a recovery.
I don't want to be seen as condoning or encouraging this, btw, but Klees bounty will attract some unscrupulous people.

pirsquared

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on July 12, 2014, 06:37:17 PM

Quote from: pirsquared on July 12, 2014, 06:33:16 PM

AA may be one the few decent humans left in the BTC world. The day he leaves blockchain.info is the day I leave bitcoin altogether.

lol who?

Andreas Antonopoulis = AA

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i'd rather stord my password on a text file in usb drive than using a software for it. .

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