ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! - page 109.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 23, 2023, 10:19:47 AM

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The problem is that while doing all these "mind-games", Kohli sometimes behaves like a baboon. Cricket is like 90% skills and 10% mind-games. Jokers like Kohli want it to be 90% mind-games and 10% skills. And no matter how much "psychological advancement" they gain before the world cup, I don't think that India is going to win the trophy as long as Kohli is in the team. He is the eternal panauti for the Indian national team. India will have a better chance once he retires. And Kohli will be known as the player who has never won a major ICC tournament for India.

Spoiler alert, Virat Kohli was a team member and played in the finals of 2011 ODI World Cup final when India won the entire tournament. There is no debate about the consistency of Virat Kohli in any format, the only issue i have with him is not winning the IPL playing for Bangalore even with one of the best players they have in their side. If you really think Kohli is 90% mind games who are the players you think are better than him during his generation.

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Quote from: MusaPk on September 23, 2023, 01:08:31 PM

India is a team that always performs well on home ground. There strength is there batting and they have wickets that are pro-batting. India recent performance in Asia cup also prove that they are way ahead of Pak, SL and Bangladesh. Kohli was part of Indian squad that won 2011 ODI world cup but he was not that much popular at that time as he was today.

I remember the 2011 tournament. It was Yuvraj Singh, who won the trophy for India. India needed 275 to win against Sri Lanka, and Gautam Gambhir's 97 and an unbeaten 91 from Mahendra Singh Dhoni guided India to an easy win. During the tournament, Yuvraj picked up 15 wickets, and scored a total of 362 runs (including 21 not out in the final match). Kohli was also there, but his contribution in the final was a 49-ball 35. And I guess that was the last time that India won a major ICC tournament. It has been more than 12 years now.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 23, 2023, 10:19:47 AM

The problem is that while doing all these "mind-games", Kohli sometimes behaves like a baboon. Cricket is like 90% skills and 10% mind-games. Jokers like Kohli want it to be 90% mind-games and 10% skills. And no matter how much "psychological advancement" they gain before the world cup, I don't think that India is going to win the trophy as long as Kohli is in the team. He is the eternal panauti for the Indian national team. India will have a better chance once he retires. And Kohli will be known as the player who has never won a major ICC tournament for India.

India is a team that always performs well on home ground. There strength is there batting and they have wickets that are pro-batting. India recent performance in Asia cup also prove that they are way ahead of Pak, SL and Bangladesh. Kohli was part of Indian squad that won 2011 ODI world cup but he was not that much popular at that time as he was today.

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Quote from: Bureau on September 23, 2023, 09:23:52 AM

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PS : Only Test ranking matters in cricket. T-20/ODI rankings are jokes.

ODI & T20 rankings are still important as they reflect a team's performance. I admit that I am not that great at judging the reason for your reply, what I understand is simple, playing nation in test format is saturated. When you check the number of teams in those formats it is big, and it will become bigger in the T20 format considering the popularity of this format. Only hardcore cricket fans like yourself would be enjoying test cricket while the world gets crazy about T20.

I would say that the Indian team has gained a major psychological advancement before the World Cup. Cricket has been a game of mind and skills, you cannot deny how it affects the mind of an Indian fan when India plays against Pakistan. Some of what same mind influence happens when players play against each other, one of the best examples is Kohli and how he has been playing this mind game so effectively.

Pakistan, Australia and South Africa stand at 2,3,4 positions respectively.

If these guys organize 3 back to back series with the likes of Zimbabwe, Ireland or Netherlands then they will top the ODI ranking and if they manage to clean sweep then potentially remain at the top for at least 1 year.

My overall point is a strong test nations like Ind +Eng +Aus hardly field their strong whiteball team against every team. They always try their bench strength (you can notice this even in the current series), and you can add Kiwis as well in this mix.

In contrast, teams like Pakistan + Sri Lanka +Bangladesh always go with their full strength team, unless there is some injury issue. For ex: Pakistan faced literally second string teams from Aus, NZ in the last year or so and add some WI + Netherlands +Afghanistan bilateral series, result? They were the number 1 team for a week or so.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 23, 2023, 03:38:18 AM

PS : Only Test ranking matters in cricket. T-20/ODI rankings are jokes.

I agree with this. Useless bilaterals have destroyed the meaning of ODI and T20I cricket.

Quote from: Bureau on September 23, 2023, 09:23:52 AM

I would say that the Indian team has gained a major psychological advancement before the World Cup. Cricket has been a game of mind and skills, you cannot deny how it affects the mind of an Indian fan when India plays against Pakistan. Some of what same mind influence happens when players play against each other, one of the best examples is Kohli and how he has been playing this mind game so effectively.

The problem is that while doing all these "mind-games", Kohli sometimes behaves like a baboon. Cricket is like 90% skills and 10% mind-games. Jokers like Kohli want it to be 90% mind-games and 10% skills. And no matter how much "psychological advancement" they gain before the world cup, I don't think that India is going to win the trophy as long as Kohli is in the team. He is the eternal panauti for the Indian national team. India will have a better chance once he retires. And Kohli will be known as the player who has never won a major ICC tournament for India.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 23, 2023, 02:56:28 AM

As per the ICC Men's team ranking, India has become the number 1 team in all cricket format. Earlier they were ranking 2nd in ODI

Only the second team to achieve this feat, which is nice but might change in the next 2 matches because Aussies are fierce opponents.

PS : Only Test ranking matters in cricket. T-20/ODI rankings are jokes.

ODI & T20 rankings are still important as they reflect a team's performance. I admit that I am not that great at judging the reason for your reply, what I understand is simple, playing nation in test format is saturated. When you check the number of teams in those formats it is big, and it will become bigger in the T20 format considering the popularity of this format. Only hardcore cricket fans like yourself would be enjoying test cricket while the world gets crazy about T20.

I would say that the Indian team has gained a major psychological advancement before the World Cup. Cricket has been a game of mind and skills, you cannot deny how it affects the mind of an Indian fan when India plays against Pakistan. Some of what same mind influence happens when players play against each other, one of the best examples is Kohli and how he has been playing this mind game so effectively.

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Quote from: MusaPk on September 22, 2023, 01:28:18 PM

I think NZ ans SA have given up hopes of winning WC. They always come well prepared for the WC but always lose at the end. This is the first time no one is declaring NZ and SA favorite for the world cup. Pakistan with there recent performance are not favorites but they have the capability of giving surprises.

Why would you say that Proteas are not a favorite? They just beaten Australia in 5 match series, despite being 2 down. Their middle order is in some form and the opposition bowlers should be afraid of it, they are also very familiar with the Indian condition (Well, in white ball actually it's true for every SENA team).

Kiwis are dark horses as usual, no hype but they are a big tournament team.

Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 23, 2023, 02:56:28 AM

As per the ICC Men's team ranking, India has become the number 1 team in all cricket format. Earlier they were ranking 2nd in ODI

Only the second team to achieve this feat, which is nice but might change in the next 2 matches because Aussies are fierce opponents.

PS : Only Test ranking matters in cricket. T-20/ODI rankings are jokes.

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As per the ICC Men's team ranking, India has become the number 1 team in all cricket format. Earlier they were ranking 2nd in ODI, after yesterday's win they are now the number one team. The match between Australia and India was dominated by the Indian team.

There were issues with the Indian fielding still they manage to win. SKY changed his style of batting, he was not that agressive and was going after the lose balls. His partnership with KL Rahul made the win look easy for India.

Shami's excellent bowling helped India to restrict the Australian batters from giving them a good target. Mohali is know for high score and it did suprised me that Australia was not able to score 276 runs. Next match will be played tomorrow, it won't be easy for Australia to defeat India.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on September 22, 2023, 09:21:11 AM

India is one of the favorites for the 2023 ODI World Cup according to some popular action-based media reports. Along with India, Australia, England and Pakistan are big favorites in this World Cup. Some retired players have predicted that India, England, Australia and Pakistan could play in the semi-finals of the 2023 World Cup. India, England and Australia are in the right position but Pakistan is not in the right position. In the recently concluded Asia Cup, Pakistan performed well in the beginning but could not do well in the end. Among the four teams that made it to the Super Four, Pakistan was ranked number 4, meaning Pakistan finished the Asia Cup tournament at number four. Apart from the four teams mentioned, New Zealand, Bangladesh and South Africa have the potential to do well in this World Cup.

I think NZ ans SA have given up hopes of winning WC. They always come well prepared for the WC but always lose at the end. This is the first time no one is declaring NZ and SA favorite for the world cup. Pakistan with there recent performance are not favorites but they have the capability of giving surprises.

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Quote from: Bureau on September 22, 2023, 07:58:11 AM

Looks like today is MD Shamis day in the ongoing match. He has taken 4 wickets and is bowling his last over. I felt he can get 5 wickets today, which he did in his last over. India has maintained the pressure on the Australian batters, a few disappointment on the field as an important catch of Warner was dropped. The target for India should be below 280 runs which is actually good to chase on Mohali pitch. I feel the Indian batters would be able to chase this target as Mohali has been always a high scoring pitch.

Since this year's World Cup will be held in India. As the Indian team is currently in their best performance. Besides, the team's bowlers are performing exceptionally well, so it can be expected that India will do something great in this World Cup.

India is one of the favorites for the 2023 ODI World Cup according to some popular action-based media reports. Along with India, Australia, England and Pakistan are big favorites in this World Cup. Some retired players have predicted that India, England, Australia and Pakistan could play in the semi-finals of the 2023 World Cup. India, England and Australia are in the right position but Pakistan is not in the right position. In the recently concluded Asia Cup, Pakistan performed well in the beginning but could not do well in the end. Among the four teams that made it to the Super Four, Pakistan was ranked number 4, meaning Pakistan finished the Asia Cup tournament at number four. Apart from the four teams mentioned, New Zealand, Bangladesh and South Africa have the potential to do well in this World Cup.

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Quote from: Bureau on September 22, 2023, 07:58:11 AM

Looks like today is MD Shamis day in the ongoing match. He has taken 4 wickets and is bowling his last over. I felt he can get 5 wickets today, which he did in his last over. India has maintained the pressure on the Australian batters, a few disappointment on the field as an important catch of Warner was dropped. The target for India should be below 280 runs which is actually good to chase on Mohali pitch. I feel the Indian batters would be able to chase this target as Mohali has been always a high scoring pitch.

Since this year's World Cup will be held in India. As the Indian team is currently in their best performance. Besides, the team's bowlers are performing exceptionally well, so it can be expected that India will do something great in this World Cup.

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Looks like today is MD Shamis day in the ongoing match. He has taken 4 wickets and is bowling his last over. I felt he can get 5 wickets today, which he did in his last over. India has maintained the pressure on the Australian batters, a few disappointment on the field as an important catch of Warner was dropped. The target for India should be below 280 runs which is actually good to chase on Mohali pitch. I feel the Indian batters would be able to chase this target as Mohali has been always a high scoring pitch.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 21, 2023, 12:33:55 PM

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I don't know how Ash Anna gets into the picture before any WC LOL. He wasn't in the race for the 2020 t-20 WC squad but got in and here again, one unfortunate injury to Axar and Chadwin gets another shot. Not complaining, just pointing out his luck. Another story for WTC finals tho lol

The topic of Ashwin getting into the World Cup team started during the super 4 group match in the Asia cup when India was defending 213 against Sri Lanka, Axar was the only bowler who was struggling and gave away runs while everyone else bowled brilliantly and picked wickets and then the commentators and social media started talking about Ashwin in that position and how he could have bowled brilliantly instead of Axar and voila now Axar is injured and Ashwin is back in the team simply because of that match and the performance of Axar in one game and he did not perform the entire series Cheesy

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 21, 2023, 12:33:55 PM

India is resting their main players and fielding second string team tho. I guess this monkey balancing alright atm.

I don't know how Ash Anna gets into the picture before any WC LOL. He wasn't in the race for the 2020 t-20 WC squad but got in and here again, one unfortunate injury to Axar and Chadwin gets another shot. Not complaining, just pointing out his luck. Another story for WTC finals tho lol

India is not only resting their main player but has changed the Captain too. One good performance by KL Rahul and he is back in the team with a bang. Interesting selection of players and Captain for the first two ODI by the BCCI, it won't be that easy for this new team against Australia. Ashwin is a good ODI bowler and a good batter in the lower order. Yup, his luck does help him when he needs it more, last time it was the T20 World Cup and this time it might be the ODI World Cup.

The odds are just in favor of Australia for today's match. The match starts in just a few minutes from now, weather prediction is sunny. So, we could see the full 50-over match today. I expected Sanju Samson to get a chance in these three bilateral series and for now, his future looks beak in the main squad for all formats of cricket.

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I do not think it will hamper the Australian side performance, as BCCI did some big changes while selecting the team for this match.

Major difference is that Australia is struggling with injuries, Travis Head already ruled out of the World Cup, Pat Cummins, Steven Smith and Mitchell Starc are coming back from injuries and Glenn Maxwell is not completely fit to play, on the other hand India is looking for the best combinations to play in the World Cup and are experimenting with Ashwin, Washington Sundar and giving more game time for Shreyas Iyer and Suryakumar Yadav.

India is resting their main players and fielding second string team tho. I guess this monkey balancing alright atm.

I don't know how Ash Anna gets into the picture before any WC LOL. He wasn't in the race for the 2020 t-20 WC squad but got in and here again, one unfortunate injury to Axar and Chadwin gets another shot. Not complaining, just pointing out his luck. Another story for WTC finals tho lol

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India VS Australia bilateral series latest update.

The world number 2 and the number 3 top teams as per ICC ranking will be playing against each other tomorrow. It has now been confirmed by the Australian captain Pat Cummins that both Micthell Starc and Glenn Maxwell will miss the match. Starc, Maxwell, and Cummins along with Steve Smith missed the tour of South Africa due to injuries in the Ashes. For now, Micthell Starc and Glenn Maxwell are still not ready due to their injuries. Found this news on X.com, I do not think it will hamper the Australian side performance, as BCCI did some big changes while selecting the team for this match.

India is good side for ODI cricket. Recently, India won Asia Cup against Sri Lanka with high margin. India performance was excellent, India also defeated Pakistan in Asia Cup. India's team moral is very high, Australia lose two excellent players likeStarc and Glenn Maxwell that are backbone of Australian cricket team. Their will also affect on team performance, these players are legends that performed well in every situation and gave many trophies to their country and high their flag. India is favorite for this match. India's team confidence is on peak. In this time, to defeat India is very difficult. Let's see.

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Quote from: elevates on September 21, 2023, 09:52:40 AM

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I do not think it will hamper the Australian side performance, as BCCI did some big changes while selecting the team for this match.

Major difference is that Australia is struggling with injuries, Travis Head already ruled out of the World Cup, Pat Cummins, Steven Smith and Mitchell Starc are coming back from injuries and Glenn Maxwell is not completely fit to play, on the other hand India is looking for the best combinations to play in the World Cup and are experimenting with Ashwin, Washington Sundar and giving more game time for Shreyas Iyer and Suryakumar Yadav.

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India VS Australia bilateral series latest update.

The world number 2 and the number 3 top teams as per ICC ranking will be playing against each other tomorrow. It has now been confirmed by the Australian captain Pat Cummins that both Micthell Starc and Glenn Maxwell will miss the match. Starc, Maxwell, and Cummins along with Steve Smith missed the tour of South Africa due to injuries in the Ashes. For now, Micthell Starc and Glenn Maxwell are still not ready due to their injuries. Found this news on X.com, I do not think it will hamper the Australian side performance, as BCCI did some big changes while selecting the team for this match.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 19, 2023, 06:16:21 AM

@pakhittheboss I felt that Srilankan player’s let themselves down by taking on too much pressure and I’m shocked that Wasim said this considering he’s yet well received in the Indian cricket fraternity.

Furthermore Pakistan is definitely in a mess heading into the World Cup as there’s rumour of them changing their vice captain and they have already lost a key bowler hence I feel that they won’t do well in the upcoming World Cup. Lastly I hope that Wasim again doesn’t blame Pakistan poor performance due to the above mentioned reasons on some hidden arrangement between PCB and BCCI.

Actually, everything went from bad to worse for Srilanka in the final, they never expected the pitch would become unplayable for their batter. You should have looked at Chris Silverwood's face when he was asked what happened to Srilanakan's batting. He did not have any answer and looked clueless. In my opinion, they are now one of the worst teams to be part of the World Cup. The two teams that are looking good are India and England.

The constant nagging by Pakistani ex-cricketers does not matter to me anymore. You should have seen the match analysis by Shoaib Akhtar before the final match and after the final match. You will understand why the global cricket fraternity does not take them seriously anymore. If Wasim Akhram had said those words then BCCI would have taken action against him and we would come to know about it when we do not hear his commentary in the upcoming tournament.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 17, 2023, 07:18:05 AM

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Did Siraj really bowl well or is it just brain fade batting from the Lankans? Not complaining but there goes our Sunday down the drain. Was expecting some competitive finale.

Siraj bowled brilliantly and then there were some outstanding catches and then some amateur batting from the Sri Lankan batters, throwing the bat even when they are 4 down, not even trying to understand the length and bounce of the ball.

Quote from: jasonjm on September 17, 2023, 11:34:48 PM

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I did not understand what happened, but I was expecting a competitive game of cricket.

Sri Lanka thought it was a T20 and the entire final match lasted 21 overs Cheesy

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